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Thiza: SOUTH AFRICAN PRODUCED MISSILES

I have been looking for you. Some of the equipments you post are not south African made they are European weapons upgraded or only 25% built in south Africa. When I post Nigerian weapons to reply your request , I will do the same. Simple. I will reply weekend. For today and friday I need to clear the rubbish your friends are posting here.

Mike..ZA:
"The South African Artillery is investing in its
holding of FV2 Bateleur multiple launch rocket
systems (MLRS). It has awarded Rheinmetall
Denel Munitions (RDM) a R2 453 601.60 contract
for the procurement of Bateleur upper structure
spares. It was an extension of a similar R1 523
684.90 contract awarded last September and
takes the value of work on the system to R14 519
120.59.

...and so what ? only your south africa has rocket artillery in this world ? even chad, burundi, mali etc all have it. stop posting stories that you cannot interpret on battle field combat. nigerian army will roast south african army like suya meat. go sleep jare !

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can we find something else to discuss ? i am tired of comparing a weaker south african army to a 5 times stronger nigerian army.

other topics from back pages i want to focus on now. replies to posts from page 465 to 475 or so. thanks everyone.

Mike..ZA:
"The FV2 Bateleur is the standard multiple launch
rocket system (MLRS)of the South African
Artillery. Development and production started
after the end of the 1966-1989 Namibian "Border
War" and the system has not yet been used in
anger, unlike its smaller predecessor, the FV1
Visarend" this weapons plus the G5,G6 & armoured vehicles can stop your "advancing columns".

nigerian army too, has both towed and mobile rocket launcher systems MRLS rocket artillery of several types

1. BM-21 from russia

2. APR-21 from romania

3. ARP-40 from romania

4. SBAT 70 from brazil

nigerian army will roast and barbecue south african army.

no need to consult your south african herbalist sangboma oracle to know the clear and simple unchangeable truth

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saengine: Maybe in your wildest dreams do you think the Nigerian army will be able to pull off what you just described. You think South African defenses will be nicely stacked in a soccer field for you to encircle. You think your 4 fronts will have nice steady supplies and firepower? By your own admission half of your guns are in 11km range. Simple long range mortars can deal with that. Reduced numbers of G5 to deal with the rest and G6 for leftovers. Not to mention you will be driving into Ratel anti armour IFV armed with Ingwe, and Special Forces with anti tank weapons etc etc. You wont make it very far. And if you think Nigeria can bring all its heavy and most modern equipment down South in one supply line, again you are being delusional. Nigerian cannot attack SA, simple as that.

nigeria can invade south africa, i did not say defeat you in that invasion, but enter your country and fight you on your homeland soil, and pray we dont ship 100,000 AK-47 rifles and grenades to the 250,000 nigerians who live in your country.

nigeria is a great war threat to south africa, but you cannot invade nigeria in any way

also, countries meet on 3rd party ground and fight war. america and china met and fought in a 3rd party country of korea.

south african airforce Gripen jets are better than nigerian F-7 jets, you said it, we accepted it. now this bitter pill you have to swallow....

nigerian army has 4 times bigger infantry soldiers, 5 times bigger artillery guns than south african army.

both contries about equal number of tanks and armoured vehicles.

the clear advantage and superiority is on nigeria's side and we will defeat south africa if we meet on common grounds somewhere we dont know. live with that fact, or go hug a 20,000 volts electricity transformer...

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[size=16pt]please stop comparing nigerian army to south african army ! go and find your equal somewhere else. even eritrea will beat south africa silly.[/size]
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Fynline: MINUSMA erstwhile AFISMA

you made my breakfast sweeter with those army pics. thanks. good job. son of nigeria.

zaandrew: And it 40 000 plus a rather active 10 000 reserve vs 100 000. Actualy useing the source used by wikpeadia nigerias army is only 60 000 strong.

nigerian army regular soldiers was 100,000 man in 2010. it is now about 120,000 men. it will reach 150,000 men anytime from now.

http://beegeagle./2013/05/08/nigerian-army-expansion-drive-gathers-momentum-set-to-establish-another-new-battalion-at-doma-nasarawa-state/

i delibrately quoted an older number in that post.

wikipedia current total for nigerian military is 200,000 men.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Armed_Forces


nigerian army on the rocks combat !

drag_on: SANDF clipped wings: http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/05/10/air-force-wings-clipped
extract: "The bottom line is that, with severely limited funding, none of the pilots can fly the hours they need to if they hope to be proficient. "The Gripen fighter squadron has been allocated a total of 150 flying hours for the entire squadron. But 150 hours is what each pilot should be flying.

"It is so bad that, last year, plans were (considered for) removing from service the Gripens, the Hawk fighter-trainer jets, the Rooivalk attack helicopters and the A109 light utility helicopters."

hahahahah

best military in africa ?

hahahahah

Mike..ZA:
Nigerian army doesn't have any experience in supporting their troops or armour over long distances. They don't have MRAPS and mine detecting vehicles. The parabats didn't ran when seleka advanced,they inflicted heavy casualties on the enemy. While Bozize's army which they supposed to support disappeared,the parabats base was not overrunned. The commander (Major Stephen Jiyane) made a good decision by abandoning the base cause,what would we be there for?. Your army took years to deploy in Mali,while SANDF reacted with sending Gripens,Rooivalks,parabats and setting up a clinic close,by in case the C-in-C ordered the over of Seleka.

i will soon stop replying your F00LISH war/combat comments. you dont know the art of real war. you just copy and paste weapons data and you try to imagine how they can be used in your poorly informed military mind. the art of war and real life battle field combat is simply not your area of knowledge.

go bring your real soldiers in south african army to come and talk to me here. thanks. no insult intended. i am not proud.

saengine: Maybe in your dreams. Please don't waste our time talking about your largely useless artillery, some of which only have 11km range. Then you say you'll drive forward to close the gap, good luck with that. You will need to stop and setup to fire, by the time your commander is ready to fire his whole unit has been turned into roast chicken. Our UAV's and Special Forces will know where your artillery units are. That's one area in which SA Special Forces became famous, calling in artillery fire from many kilometres away. You ask why the U.S has 30km range systems? Rather ask why the U.S with all its technology was testing our G7 gun 5 or so years ago, because they know its superior. The only thing that has stopped SA from selling these guns is politics, just like the Rooivalk. India was going to buy 100's of G6 guns a few years ago, until Indian politicians got in the way. Same thing happened in Turkey. Point is, if Nigeria had a 75km range gun you wouldn't stop talking about it. Now that you don't have it, you pretend like you dont want it.

zaandrew: Non of your guns can reach our guns, nore is your air force or air defense strong enough to defend them against a air defense.

first point of correction, about 330 of nigerian army 660 artillery guns have range of 20km to 30km, and 50 of the guns are mobile palmaria guns that can advance towards enemy positions from north, east, west directions at speed of 60km/hr on road, i posted the photo on page 479.

you say nigerian artillery is useless ? okay, when we fire it, put your first born son's head directly in front of the gun to block the 'useless' shell from coming out.

please dont drag us back on this thread with that F00LISH talk that nigerian army air defense cannot shoot down south african airforce, i proved it may/june so go back to pages 290 to 310. nigerian Roland SAM and south african Gripen jet cannot harm each other as long as they both stay away from each other and no direct challenge. proved on this forum

i said america and europe dont care to build artillery guns to shoot range 75km because armies dont stay that far part in real life war, or else it is no more a war. how will tanks/armoured vehicles and infantry engage each other ?

south african military academies teach nonsense and should come to nigeria for upgrading.

if your weapon artillery is good because of range 75km, out of 150 countries of the world, only 3 will not be using it, and since 25 years ago you sold only about 150 units, even your own south africa the producer has only 43 units. please keep quite and dont use politics as an excuse, it sounds too childish.

only a south african military academy with its poor combat strategic doctrine will dream of using 43 G6 artillery gun to defeat a massive army like nigeria. while your 75km range guns are firing, nigeria's far bigger army will split into 4 different fronts and attack south africa's far smaller army from 4 positions of attack lines, two front lines, one east line, one west line . south african army will first be trapped in a nigerian army pincer formation and secondly surrounded from behind your back. that is what cuban army did to south african army and forced your country to call for peace negotiation to avoid defeat.

quote :

"Cuba considerably reinforced its troops in Angola and came to the defence of the besieged FAPLA; the South African advance was stopped at the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale, the largest battle in Africa since World War II, in which both sides have claimed victory. The bulk of the Cuban forces advanced towards Namibia further to the west, threatening to cut off the SADF-Forces remaining at Cuito. On 27 June 1988, Cuban MiG-23 fighters bombed the Calueque hydro-electric complex at 16.7367°S 14.9669°E, disabling it and killing 12 SADF soldiers. For some analysts [22] the stalemate at Cuito and the death toll and vulnerability to Cuban MiGs was viewed with apprehension by the SADF and may have had some bearing on the fact that a peace accord was agreed soon afterwards. United Nations-mediated negotiations took place with the aim of achieving peace in and independence for South-West Africa/Namibia and the South African ground troops completed their withdrawal from Angola on 30 August 1988 before the negotiations were concluded."

source :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Border_War

south african army is too weak in fire-power and too short in man-power, nigerian army is superior and will roast south african army.

you dont know what a real life battle-field looks like. its not a clean, neat, gentle man forum, battle field is bloody, scattered, rapidly changing, interlocking and confusing.

nigerian army will wipe out the south african army, and there will be no french army at any airport for south african soldiers to run for protection like in CAR.

drag_on: As you can see it is you that said that you country can increase your army,and i said if you cant train a small army now what makes you think you can train and equip a larger army?

after nigerian artillery roasts the south africa army, the few of them that remain will be used for our shooting practice.

south african artillery guns 120. niegrian artillery guns 660.

south african regular soldiers about 30,000. nigerian regular soldiers about 120,000.

who is ranking african countries military forces ? check out the above data....and only an army can occupy territory. navy sits in the sea and needs land harbour to replenish supply of food and fuel, air force needs a place to land before jet fuel finishes in the air !

the stronger army, is the stronger country.

zaandrew: those who no nothing aka you should please not talk.

you really thing the advance is that easy. what if you advance gets stoped by say the enemy, now what. the side with the longer range guns will be able to shell the enemy, shell the enmey artlary and remian out of range of counter battary fire.

has for when it has hapend. well it hapend in angola first cuban guns out ranged our guns so we could not shoot back, then it was reverserd. all so vietnam were nva guns would out range most of the amercan guns letting them shell a Forward Firing Base.

once again you show your complet lake of knowlege on the subgect.

post source of your claims and dont throw your minds imagination into our faces. post a source of those battles to prove exactly, your claims.

america and europe are NOT building any artillery of south african 75km range because it is a useless combat distance that wont win you a war.

south african army could not close-in on cuban army because you are cowards and did not want to die, all you wanted was to prevent cuba from entering south africa. your poor combat history is at work there again.

south african army did not charge forward and use your doctrine of mobility to assault the cuban enemy and engage in close range hand to hand combat. that is what an army is expected to do.

in the bush war, both south africa and cuba were a bunch of military dummies to laugh at. go see how nigeria and biafra close-in on each other for combat, biafra moved out of their territory and invaded nigeria and got to ore town heading for lagos reaching just 2 hours away from nigeria's capital city, before nigerian army counter attacked and made one of the bloodiest land battles in african history called "Oleku Ija Ore". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ore

any army that does not want to advance towards the enemy and die in the process....is NOT an army.

stop posting things with no source, i am tired of it. dont be lazy. stop forcing your private ideas into our eyes. get sources to prove your claims.

when south africa got a better artillery range than cuba with your 75km GV6 guns, why did you not win the war with range advantage ?


nigerian army artillery firepower is 5 times more than south africa's. we will roast and barbecue your weak army. period.

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i dont want to jump into middle or tail end of these issues and posts. i am going to start from page 465 and pick out meaningful posts and reply one by one, i dont care if it takes me days from now till weekend. you south africa guys just post comments anyhow.

please stop writing nonsense military comments that numbers dont matter in war. why did american army run away from chinese army in korean war ? why did south african army complain that seleka out-numbered them so they ran away to hide under french army at the airport ?

if you go to war with this your F00lish mentality that is opposite of standard military priciples of combat, you will be returned home to your wives and children in body bags.

artillery guns do not get obsolete easily like jet fighters, they only have one job, target the enemy position and rain down shells on him. america, russia, china, india and NATO/europe are still operating the same artillery guns nigeria is using, many dated since about year 1980 till 2005.

when we are talking about artillery guns in africa, south africa should shut up ! who told you that artillery exchange combat are usually fought from long ranges 30km to 75km apart ? armies contest for land territory and always close-in on each other in engagement to capture territory.

show us war history where one country won artillery vs artillery combat because his guns have longer range. show us a source to prove that.

no army sits down and receives artillery shells on its head, if you have longer range, the enemy will bridge the gap and close in on you. that is why mobile artillery are built to run like a car on the land and in 20 minutes it closes the gap to hit you back. if you want to maintain range advantage you have to keep running backwards and then you are retreating, the enemy is capturing all the land in front of you and your army is losing the war already !

you south africans only copy and paste data, you dont know how real war operates.

why does great america, one of the most war experienced countries of the world build its year 1994 to 2002 purchased new modern Paladin mobile artillery gun with the same range of 24km/30km as nigerian army palmaria mobile artillery guns ? its because they know that the usual war distance between armies fighting is within that range, not the 75km apart that your south african GV6 gun is dreaming of. what was the distance between south african army in CAR and Seleka rebels ? were you 75km away ? Seleka captured the land, south africa ran away. would south africa have uses artillery on Seleka rebels already looking at you eye to eye from about 3km away when they were approaching you ?

only south africa is making noise about its 75km GV6 artillery range, why did the whole world not rush to buy the gun from DENEL in thousands since 1987 till now ? only about 150 units of the gun has been sold in 25 years to only 3 countries. all armies of the world know that in real land war that excess range is useless, no enemy will sit down that far away from you.

also, how do you know what target you are hitting from 75km away, you have no way of seeing the enemy positions in another end of the town. you just waste your artillery shells hitting a cassava farm land. the enemy is mobile, evasive and too far away.

how many artillery guns does south africa have ? about 43 of the long range GV6 to defend your huge country land of about 1.3 million sq km, south african army has a great shortage of artillery firepower, the worst among the top 5 military nations of africa, you are the worst in artillery firpower.


south african artillery guns total about 120 units

nigerian artillery guns total about 660 units

firepower of nigerian artillery gun is over 5 times that of south african artillery guns, nigerian army will totally wipe out south africa army in an artillery combat

mighty palmaria mobile artillery gun of nigerian army
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Mike..ZA:
What's this? A bunch of obsolete weapons dumped in Nigeria?. The USA is not our friend nor a enemy. Let me give you a list of countries with capable armed forces in Africa 1.South Africa and Egypt 2. Algeria 3.Kenya 4.Nigeria and Morocco. 5.Botswana.

go to page 115, page 103, and page 280 of this thread, and educate yourself. nigerian military is NOT an obsolete force, it is your knowledge that is very out-dated. also list south african artillery force side by side with nigeria, and get roasted in the process. thank you.

dont make my 'Bat' stand upright, its hibernating head down for a few more days. nigeria has capacity to invade south africa with 10 battalions of mechanized troops, but south africa CANNOT invade nigeria.

https://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/320/5/2/sleeping_bat_by_little_miss_cute-d4ge820.png

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[size=16pt]i am hibernating. to re-appear soon.[/size]

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https://www.intlsecurity.com/img/security.jpg

Henry120: Oboi, as long as what we say on this thread is open knowledge, I.e in the newspapers, released by the military or an accredited military website, we got nothing to worry about.

I'd advise you take a break. Stop posting for sometime.

thanks a lot. i will take a break and stop posting for some days. i see several codes that i know coming from that source. if its real government intel moles, they may not like the coastal defence simulation talking about nigerian army artillery strategy...and the satellite/balloon/radar/drone co-ordiantion.

it may not be about each weapon i post, but about the tactical or startegic combat combination use i write, or maybe something else nigerian military intelligence agents do not like about my posts.

i will take a break but monitor forum just in case @redyellowgreen tells me what they want me to do...i will comply in national security interest if they are genuine.

okay guys, i go on break from nairaland for a while. dont fight yourselves too much o ! i wont be around to settle your usual quarrels.

i love you all, goodbye for some time. see you when i am confirmed safe to post comments. i still have a lot to say, but they have silenced my big leaking basket mouth for now.

signed

@Agaugust/Augustine Again

GidiNaijaPikin: You are not a Vunombagai by any stretch of chance or are you? Someone has taken a chance by trying to piece together bits of unrelated information with the hope that it could help to unravel your identity. The direct communication with the fellow may have achieved that very objective. The rest I leave for you to figure out.

thanks bro.

i am not the man they say i am, the name Augustine is just a coincidence. yoruba ni mi now, sugbon mo gbo hausa little. bobo ti won bawi yen, omo adamawa ni. boya o je airforce intel undercover tori ko wo uniform ninu facebook page tie rara, awon military NAF intel spy ko gbodo wo uniform in public view. awon nkon ti mo maa n post nibi nairaland, se o dabi oro real sodier ni ? real soldier group captain officer rank level gbodo advance ju mi lo now. mo ko ise yi ni ibomiran ni now , mi o kin se NAF rara.

boya mo need lati break from forum fun igba die sa, kin le mo kilonsele gaan gan.

Henry120: Yes, that is the right thing to do. Take your time, chill and asses the situation.

Did you receive my messages back stage?

yes, and i replied you. thanks a lot.

sheyie2007: then it's hogwash... Let's carry on

egbon, mi o mo awon eniyan yi rara, mi o mo obirin ati awon omo to wa ni inu foto naa. sugbon ti o ba je nitori oro national security mo ni lati kuro ni nairaland forum, mo gbodo kuro. mi o fe ki anything affect nigeria rara. i love my country nigeria...to the point of death ! i swear !

GidiNaijaPikin: I can confidently tell you that this is a hoax!

so who wants to force me out of this forum ? why ? any ideas ?

redyellowgreen: Mr Vunombagai. There is a lot of noise around you at this point in time. Your friends here are saying things. Now I wish you to go back to the first picture that i posted. Then the second. Then the third and so on.

That should tell you what is important right now. The conversation between the two of us. That is what is important. I am addressing you directly and no one else.

Numan
Joseph Edwin
1983
88 MAG
NAF
Lagos
Vunombagai
Abuja

You know our policy very well. You should. You of all people should know that you are not like anyone else here. You have been given the privilege of access to our information, our structures and our personnel. Some of our people are your friends. You do not need to have your responsibilities spelt out regarding the use of the information that we all trust you with. Your online conduct in not just this forum, but in others indicates that you do not appreciate your responsibilities to Nigeria.

Now what you need to do is take a moment. Think about what is important to you. Think about who is important to you. Think about how you have used our information. And then tell your friends what you believe needs to be done by you.

I sign off for now and I give you room to think. Use it wisely.

i dont know that woman and her children in the photos you posted. please dont h.urt them for any reason, they are loyal nigerian citizens . i am loyal to nigeria too, i love my country more than my life.

please tell me what i posted on this forum that endangers nigerian national security. i really dont know. i await your reply. thanks. do you roger that sir ?

Henry120: Oboi, as long as what we say on this thread is open knowledge, I.e in the newspapers, released by the military or an accredited military website, we got nothing to worry about.

I'd advise you take a break. Stop posting for sometime.

thanks @Henry, the guy has replied me again, i will ask if they have any complaints about my posts in the interest of national security for nigeria.

Hezron Lorraine: Just emailed my bro.hopefully he'll pick up something from this RedYellowGreen guy.keep your mind at rest@Augaugust,u've been far to important on this thread for one supposed secret agent to try and bring you down.
RedYellowGreen:what does Dolphin mean?
If you are in any military intelligence or SSS u'll know this.for u to pull stunts on augaugust,it means u are some top boss.
Answer me pls,What's Dolphin.if you answer this correctly,then Augaugust run for your life.

thanks sir.

lets wait for him @redyellowgreen to reply the question on Dolphin, as for me i know what Dolphin means in this situation, if this guy threatening me knows the answer and says it correctly....i will exit this nairaland forum and run for my life.

Hezron Lorraine: posted that already.
Let's reason on this RedYellowGreen causing kasala here.
What nation uses RedYellowGreen flag.
What Nigerian Agency uses RedYellowGreen:I think Immigration services does.what could RedYellowGreen stand for.

nigerian army color is red yellow green, see photo below. red yellow green also codes mali operations by mali's flag.

https://img.naij.com/n/06/c/azubuike_ihejirika1.jpg

Henry120: ...

@Henry i am trying to talk to you backstage....but its not connecting. how do you see this new threat to me ? from the codes i pick up from this @redyellowgreen, there is some threat from a source who knows something about covert security issues. should i stop posting on nairaland and exit finally ?

scipher: it's a white lie

i dont think so bro, but i am not sure yet. let them just tell me what they want me to do if its for real. i see some codes in it. some codes i know. i have to be very careful until i am sure its safe for me to continue on this forum. i cant post any military thing till i know the source of the threats to me.

why would anyone try to stop me from posting military stuff here ? i need to know why. it could be a south african playing games, but what if its from nigeria for real ? state security and military intelligence ?

NaijaPikinGidi: Mr. RedYellowGreen identify yourself!!

hey man, you just got banned now after you challenged the @RedYellowGreen, i think the threat is real from SSS, DMI, etc

colours red yellow and green represent nigerian army. coded. gaskiya. see the chief of staff's uniform below.

https://img.naij.com/n/06/c/azubuike_ihejirika1.jpg

andrewza: And even if they do build something it still going to be only has good has the F7. Unless they aiming to build over a lot of them it still going to be a waste of money.

see mister, i have no interest in any argument now. something like a hawk may be on my tail, as if i am a cyst in the system. coded. gaskiya.

redyellowgreen: Sir. You, do agree with me that Nigeria is involved in sensitive operations at this point in time?

I need you to take your time. I will come back for the answer.

yes i know . i am asking what you want me to do, so no problem.

andrewza: i thought agaugust lived in america? and it not nice to post peoples personal detail mr confused stope light

stop joking about serious issues, even if you dont like me. cant you see i am now under threat from military or state intelligence units ?