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Quote from Olabowale:
"Do not think that the Christians on Nairaland or the world over are not involved in Jihad. Yes it is the exact thing that they are doing. They are quick to bomb and kill by waging wars against muslim societies. they do it, individually, organizationally (NATO), collisionally of the willing or the coerced. They encourage others to do it when it will be obvious that they have no reason to do it. Others do it by making missionary efforts" ----->Imagine this particular statement, pleeeeeaaseeeeeee!

NOW WE KNOW WHY THE 'MODERATE MUSLIMS' IN SOMALIA KILLED THE POOR NUN WHO WAS FEEDING, CLOTHING AND ENCOURAGING THE POOR ORPHAN CHILDREN IN THE COUNTRY WHILE THE GOVERNMENT IS BUSY TRYING TO IMPOSE ISLAMIC LAWS ON A STARVING POPULATION; THEY WERE TRYING TO STOP HER 'JIHAD'!!!!!

Can responsible, decent peoples of all faiths join me in condemning this shallow, selfish and disgusting statement, pleaseee!!

Well said dear babyosisi,
Very brilliant post; dont take it for granted that you are seriously ministering to millions around the world by this clicks of your keyboard. This is not just responding to issues but evangelism, God bless you richly.
Let him that has an ear, let him hear!!!

Dear Uncle Olabowale,
I and a lot of others have been trying for some time to be respectiful in our responses to you and some of your posts, since I realized you are probably in your middle age. However, I have come to realize that not only do you NOT deserve respect, you are probably becoming senile. You are an embodiment of a grown-up man who is supposed to be able to articulate his words and thoughts but rather you are talking like an adult whose reasoning has been taken away from him.
You are free to attempt to argue against achaeological evidences showing the origin of the deity you worship; you are free to believe how muhammed 'divided' the moon into 2  (which you falsely claim is supported by finding of apollo 11 mission on the moon) , as false, stupid, intrepid and docile your statements are; BUT at least you should attempt to reciprocate the respect we seem to have for you and your age in your statements. Obviously and with all due respect, you are NOT a man of faith or wisdom, but an embodiment of the intolerance and pervertion that prevails in your islamic religion; no wonder you do not see anything wrong in a 50+ year old man, marrying and sleeping with girls as little as 9 to 12.
Talking about Jesus, you said and I quote:
[b]"According to the Bible, he was so hungry that he as confused about the inability of the date tree to provide food since it was not the season for fruiting. He cursed the tree! if this was the act of a sane man, you will move to another tree which is in the season for fruiting. May God forgive me. I did not say this about Jesus, the Prophet of Allah. I only give you something to think about."[/b]

I don't mind whatever you write about Jesus, mine is to defend and debunk your assertion, not kill you or behead you for it (sound familiar?). However, don't you see that you actually sound more insane by your contradictory statements that I highligted in bold. In psychiatry what you've displayed is called 'flight of ideas' when you start making contradictory statements in the same sentence and probably believe what you said.

Then you launched an intolerant and direct attack on Backslider and myself, your perceived opponents:
Well, I totally agree with you that common sense is not given for academic prowess, you probably lack both i.e academic prowess and common sense, otherwise you should'nt have taken the discussion personal and going by your literary or linguistic skills. 'Egbon', (brother or uncle), that is what we are calling you, please let us find you in that position of 'egbon'; respond to issues and don't get personal. If you've run out of ideas, why not go to your local mosque or leave the stage for younger peoples who have points and ready to discuss. Seriously, I do not like responding to you like this, but I have noticed how you attempt to bully and intimidate those who oppose you on this forum just like your prophet thought you. Well, the mistake you made was involving me, I stand up to bullies, extremists, pervets. So therefore I say; In your face, sucker!!

Dear All,
I am happy that through discussions, presentation of written papers, achaeological evidences and biblical references, we all now understand that Jehovah, the Living God Abraham, Isaac and Jacod, the Lord of Hosts and our Redeemer, IS NOT the Same as allah. Please beware, there are lot of people trying in to say He is in the spirit of interfaith understanding. It is Heresy, and blasphemy, do not subscribe to it. It is a lie from the pit of Hell.
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

Dear Brown-eyes:
It is not a good thing to be resistant to knowledge; while trying to engage in debate, do not make false allusions. Can you tell the whole world how or where the 'Sun' is highly reverred in Chritianity!!
Do you know what Christianity is? No you do not, judging from you statements Christianity is not a religion, a group or chruch-goers, christianity is LIFE; it is LIVING the will and purpose of God for your existence!!. Bible said the follower of Jesus were first called christians (meaning'followers of the christ) in Antioch.

"Easter and Christmas are products of paganism not that it is anything bad just reckon people should give credits where its due."

Please, Xmas, Easter are not pagan worships indoctrinated into chriatian faith; that is the false counter-allusion of those trying to discredit christianity following the exposure of the deep idolatory that is called islam. Is there any scriptural or achaeological evidence that support the statement,  NO!!!. Compare that with the abundant scriptural and achaeological evidences showing the idolatrous origin of Mecca, Kaaba, Crescent and Star, moon watching etc of Islam!!!
Thank God you do not know much about islam and the quran, It is thus still early and easier for you to get out of it now before it is too late. You do not need any higher mental plane, tai-chi, yoga and all those false eastern phylosophies, what you need is Jesus Christ, dear Brown-eyes. Get a Bible and just read the Gospel of John in the New Testamant, see the questions that will come to your mind.

Dear Uncle OlaB,
I read all the 'allusions' to the scientific discoveries of your muhammed from the web-site and the quran; and I saw a desperate people in you and the authors of the website. Desperate people trying to give credibility to what is ridiculous and inglorious. Never have I encountered an utterly senseless set of 'allusions' as those contained on the website, while trying to get cross-integrity by quoting equally insolvent professors. Why are you trying at all cost to make muhammed what he is clearly not? trying to increase his acceptance in modern day I guess. There is nothing in the quranic verses that could be described as logically pointing to embryonic developmet; that is only in the minds of peoples like you who are trying to make un-necessary and false allusions.

For example: "Now let man but think From what he is created!  He is created from A drop emitted -- Proceedings from between the backbone and the ribs:   Surely (Allah) is able To bring him back (To life)!  The Day that (All) things secret Will be tested, (Man) will have No power, And no helper.  (Quran, 86:5-10)"

In your own warped judgement, this is an attestation to the fact that muhammed is talking about male sex from the Y chromosome, right? what an utter load of rubbish. So from where is the female created if not from the same 'drop emitted'. Dont you realise that the 'man' being referred to in this quranic verse is just a literal translation of "MAN"; both male and female. Just like when the Living God said in the bible, 'Let us create 'man' in our own image'. That man refers to both male and females. Get understanding and stop making ridiculously bizzare allusions' while trying to potray muhammed as a gifted person rather than the blood thirsty man he actually is. The same goes for all the other allusions to science from quran on the website.

Part 2: I disagree with you that 'one does not make an effort to be ignorant'. I believe a lot of peoples are actually trying very hard to be really ignorant from some of the postson this forum; and very resistant to new knowledge because of long-standing indoctrination. Can you tell me anything of human creation (engineering, politics, law, computing etc) that worked perfectly the very first time it was`created?; because that was your premise for saying medicine is not an exact science. Posting that medicine is trial and error is a ridiculous statement, but I can tell you that medical advances has evolved from well conducted clinical trials (not trial and error that suggest guess work). I am not going to join issues with you on that aspect because it is not necessary, you don't have a clue; when I need enginnering lessons, I will call you, sir
Stop relying on ridiculous allusions from the quran made by ignorant peoples despreately trying to make a star out of a wood-trying to make a man of widom out of muhammed!!He obviously is not

Quite from Brown-eyes: "Jehovah and Yaweh could be two deities out of the many gods that were worshipped by the pagans seeing as they emerged well before Christianity."

Well Brown-eyes, I actually spent a long time thinking of how best to respond to this statement, but eventually I believe holy spirit suggetsed I pray for you, and that's what I am doing right now. It's such a dangerous statement that you cannot fathom the depth of it.!! However, overwhelming evidences both scriptural and achaeological evidences support the synonimity of allah with the moon-god.

"Nothing wrong with respecting Mother Nature. All living things rely on the Moon and Sun for survival, so what if some people just get so overjoyed with the Moon?"

Very simple, that "getting so overjoyed with the moon" is called idolatory; (seems as if we are getting somewhere now with understanding, you are a short distance from salvation). About, all the mumbo-jumbo of Xmas, easter etc being from paganism, it is simply not so. Do not look for or claim associations that do not exist in the life of christ or christian living. It is simply not true, those mullahs are simply saying it to keep you from truth, but now you know the truth, it shall make you free.

olabowale:
@ Havila; We are not talking about cocktails of tree barks and roots and trees. We are talking of physiological properies and finds. For example, the precise description of gestations, lactations and digestion. I am just naming a few. We are not talking of trial and error, which is what you find in Medicine, sometimes. That is why Medicine is not an exact science.

I am asking the person who can shed light on these things, at least the part that relates to medicine.

Dear Uncle Olabowale,
In your attempt to prove whatever you are trying to prove about the Quran, you are making statement you should not make. What do you mean about medicine being trial and error; are you saying decription of gestation, lactation and digestion is from the quran; who told you that? Are you also implying that the art of medicine of the far east is cocktails of tree barks and roots? Really, you are funny.
With all due respect and with all humility and glory to God, I am more than qualified to know about this than you; (you are an engineer I deduce from one of your posts) I am medical doctor with extensive research experience and postgraduate training and qualifications in Public Health with a bias for Infectious Diseases Epidemiology.
Medicine is not trial and error; well-developed medicine had been in exitence before the advent of Islam and I am not talking of concortions. But that is not the point for discussion, as I said, the website is full of false claims. Now you want to start talking about Quran and medicine, you guys sef, na waa for una and this your all-in-all al-Quran sef, seriously

Dear babyosisi,
I think the guy is just being absolutely ridiculous now; better go do your errands!!

Dear bayosisi,
Thanks for the post/article, I hope they'll read it. As per all the so called medical 'feats' Olabowale was talking about, it's ridiculous for him to be talking as if it only came through the Quran. Can you kindly educate him about the medical feats of the ancient Egyptians and people of the far east (predating Islam+Quran+Mo'hammed) which are still being used or referred to till this day in modern medicine!!

Mr Mayor, I feel like I am talking to a wall here, you just dont seem to get it. While abundant achaeological evidences`have supported the accounts of bible stories. In fact all achaeologcal evidences relating to islam points to it being an idolatrous worship of the consterllation, sun, moon-god and stars except the ones plagiarised from the bible.
Again, I will say the sense of the discussion is WHO you are referring to by a particular name. You see, worshippers of 'obatala' (a deity in yoruba land) know WHO they are worshipping. An 'obatala' worshipper can call obatala his or her god but we know that god is NOT the living God-Jehovah. Same an Okija priest can call the deity in the forest his or her own 'Chi' because that is his/her belief, but that does not mean it is same as Jehovah. Yoruba Christians therefore call the living God Jehovah in our language 'Olorun' i.e Oluwa awon orun (Translation: owner of the heavens)

Dear drrionelli;
I noticed that too under 'Ramadan Kareem' post in which Seun said the site is "only for muslims and that any attack against islam will get you banned"; what actually is meant by 'attack' on islam? any critique or statement? yet in many other topics where christians were discussing faith-related issues, muslims came in and said all sort, we only engaged them in discussion. I hope Seun is not being intimidated, I can understand his thoughts though, so let's cooperate with him. Obedience to authorities is a christian virtue. However, I think it will not do well for so-called interfaith discussions if we start having christian only and muslim only sites. That's my opinion.

Dear Mr Mayor,
Your 'logic' only requires simplistic answer: ALL the different types of names in your post refer to the same God with the exception of Allah. As I stated earlier in one of my posts, what is important is WHO we are referring to when we call upon God in our native language; we Yorubas call upon Jehovah as 'Olorun, eledumare, Oba n'la to ni gbogbo aye' and call Jesus Christ 'Jesu Kristi'. While currently some (not all) Jews don't accept Jesus as the 'Messiah', in the infinite wisdom of Jehovah, this has opened the door of salvation for us the gentiles. (Please, Read the entire Chapter 11 of Romans written by an  "Israelite, a seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin" for better understanding) The Jews are still coming to accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour, it is written and we believe it!!!.
I will ask you to read this link http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm and also read the article in the new topic posted by Backslider titled "Was Allah The Moon God Of Ancient Arab Pagan? Holy Month Is Ushered In By Moon!" to understand who is Allah; after reading those portions, then read the book of Ezekiel Chapter 8 vs 14-17 (only three verses)
Look! Mr Mayor, you must be ready to read a lot if you want to contribute on this forum rather that using simple logic; as you can see the forum is full of great men and women of faith and wisdom!!!

Dear Backslider (you will never backslide in Jesus name)!!!
May the Living God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who sits in heaven and directs the affairs of men on earth, BLESS YOU abundantly beyond your wildest comprehension for this article. I pray a lot of people will go through it entirely although it is long. After reading then, if possible, remember and go back to read the topic I posted on this forum before entitled[b] "Jehovah/Yahweh is NOT the same as Allah"[/b].
This is the season of truth!!!! eyes shall be opened, light has come in and darkness cannot comprehend it. Shalom

@Seun:
Very brilliant article!! right in line with the thinking and writing of a lot of reasonable peoples (regardless of religion) on the 'Religion' forum of Nairaland

@ Oyebanji07:
Well, out of curiousity and with an open-mind, I went to the web-site and well it was full of the same-ol, same-ol hypocritical nonsense and mumbojumbo being used to keep you in darkness. Most of them have been rubbished by discussions here on this forum, my dear. as an example:

1) You muslims believe that Muhammad was the 'Comforter' that Jesus refered to in John 14 vs 16; rubbish!! because the next verse, 17, Jesus further told us about the 'comforter or holy spirit' that he is "the spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye (we) know him, for he dwelleth WITH you and shall be IN you".  Muhammad and his devouring sword was seen because he was a physical man, neither can he dwell IN you even muslims (he probably is inside the suicide bombers, maybe). Dont you see Jesus was reffering to the spirit of Truth i.e the spirit of the True God as contrasted with false gods (e.g allah) of other religions? The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God that dwells inside every christian who accepts Jesus as their Lord and saviour. He teaches, convicts, directs, encourages, discipline e.t.c
2) The concept of Trinity in Islam is God, Mary and Jesus, you do not believe in this 'Trinity', NEITHER DO CHRISTIANS!!! Our Triune God, Biblically confirmed severally is God the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit.
I can go on and on, but to save space and time, it is not necessary, their is nothing in Islam that rebute Jesus Christ and christianity, my dear. I will now join you to the list of your other 'jammat' that I am praying for now. Jesus Christ came to  'preach the gospel to the poor, deliverance to the oppresed, to the open the eyes of the blind' among other things; these assignments has now been passed unto every spirit saved, born-again christian such as myself and by the grace of God, we will open your eyes of understanding. Amen
Prayfor the peace of Jerusalem

Damn!!
Jaybaby really sounds stressed out and frustrated. Maybe she ain't gettin none, not surprised
Right back at you, girl

Jaybaby ,
your signature is that "80% of men are impotent" ; by all probability that is very likely to included the dude holding you in your picture on your profile. Why not change it to a more matured statement, then you are qualified to contribute on this forum. It is for matured, opinionated peoples who are discussing important social,political, religious issues. Maybe you can go to 'sexuality' forum, you'll be more relevant there. exactly!!

NB: I will strongly suggest you do not reply!!!

Dear Ismael and Eazyman:
Take it easy, we are not condeming you as you think. What, we are saying here (christians, I believe), we totally understand your emotions and anger; everybody has the right to live anywhere in our secular country called Nigeria. I equally agree abd believe that christian citizens living in the northen part of Nigeria have every right to arm themselves and defend (emphasis on DEFEND) their properties and lives should in case they are attacked since the state governments almost always fail to do this, maybe deliberately,
However, we are looking at the principle of the statement that "the world would be a better place without muslims". That is not correct; it is a product of an emotional outburst; and believe me most statements or thinkiing done with the emotions are usually wrong 99% of times from experience. Because emotions cloud judgement and thinking ability. However, the anger and frustrations you are expressing is becoming rather widespread in our coutry now; and we need to pray that the central goernment do something before our dear country erupts into a bloody religious civil war, God Almight forbid!!!

.Quote from Belloti;; and all I am asking from you is to [b]admit that the Pope shouldnt have made that remark in the first place. [/b] [color=#000099][/color]

Dear Belloti;
You just don't get it; or maybe you do but refuse to accept. I cannot admit to arrant nonsense!!!Dont get me started here
Why can't anybody make any statement?? This is 2006 men, 21st century, WAKE THE HECK UP, DUDE!!!!!! People have every right to make any statement about any social issue, belief or philosophy, and you on the other hand have every right to either affirm or debunk a critique; not go on rampage. How can you say you are ready for an open-minded discussion if you are giving the terms of what should be discussed.? Do you even know the meaning of open-mindedness?? C'mon, men. Seriously, don't get me started by asking me to admit to rubbish.

davidylan:
Since when did Slobodan Milosevich tell you he was a christian? So in your warped oppinion, everyone who is not a muslim is a christian?

Davidylan!!!
Brilliant question. You know that is what I have come to realize!! In the attempts by the jammat-in-the-house to present false evidence associating chritianity and christians with violence, they have concluded that every non-muslim must be a christian. In fact, don't be surprised if one jammat tells you that the hindus or sikhs who are fighting muslims in india are also christians.
Talk about searching for what is not lost and looking for what can't be found. Indeed God is`using the foolish things of the world to confound the proud, ignorant and haughty

I really wonder!! If it very difficult for the educated jammat on this forum to accept and understand that muslimis amd muslimas CANNOT prevent a critique, comment or discussion of their religion/prophet in this century and years to come by any means; how will they be able to educate the uneducated jammat in their local or neighbourhood mosque who look up to them for inspiration.
The Pope has every right to make any comment however critical of islam it could be (that is called freedom of thought and speech); he only apologised to prevent the opportunity for some hooligans to go on killing and looting spree in the attempt to defend the name of their powerless deity and his slave who cannot defend his own name.

4get_me
look, the girl is an 'ignoramus'.

Brilliant 4get_me!!!
That's the kind of reading-in-between-lines that we've been encouraging the 'jammat' to get use to; rather than black and white reading. Fantastic 2-line submission that removes every credibility of a load of gabbage called gospel of barnabas. Well done

As I said before, you must be ready for, and open-minded to issue based critique of islam/muhammed.
If you katyusha me, I will F16+Tomahawk you. SImple

My Dear short-fused Belloti,
If you are offended by some of my posts, I am only responding to the same scorn and vituperations that had been poured on me and my lord Jesus by all the enthusiatic jammat on this forum.  You see, nobody has monopoly of violence, whether verbal or physical, some of us only do not believe in it as a means-to-an-end. By showing that I am not only up to the task, but can also up-the-ante if called for, now there is a call for ceasefire in some quarters, good, we can now have an issue based discussion and critique of islam, muhammed, quran, Jesus etc without anybody calling for head of fellow discussant. Remember, when Hezbollah attacked Israel, the response was swift and appropriate maybe disproportionate and soon the whole world was calling for ceasefire. Yorubas also say a fi owo kekere gba abara nla, that is what is called reverse psycology as I stated in my other post to you
It is only open-mindedness and availability for issue-based, intellectual debate that you jammat need in this century; only if 'moderate muslims like you can educate peoples at your local mosques about the need for dialogue rather than riot and passing futile fatwah at every opportunity.
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Shalom

NB: But remember, if you katyusha-me, I am still ready to-F16+Tomahawk-you!!!

"Forget-me, i really missed you too. But theres one crazy jerk called Havila lurking around somewhere"

My dear ""short-fused Belloti:
Why am I a jerk? you sound as if I am really lucky you dont have access to my address and detail otherwise,
oh sorry you are a moderate muslim, I forgot, abi?? I had a good laugh from your statement above, you see that is exactly what we are saying. You must be able to tolerate critique of islam and muhammed and engage in discussion rather than resort to violence at the slightest critique which you will rather call provocation. This is 2006/2007. My strategy is called reverse psycology, stand up and confront all the jammat in this forum or elsewhere until you are ready for a ceasefire, then we can have an issue-based, intellectual discussion on islam, christianity, Jesus Christ and muhammed etc.
If you are ready, it is this same open-mindedness that you should take to your neighbourhood mosque tomorrow and educate fellow jammat that they must be ready to engage in discussions however critical it is without calling for the head of opponents. Just know that if-you-katyusha-me, I will level-your-lebanon, then there will be a call for ceasefire. This reverse psycology is what we will use to confront the terrorist, extremist and fundermentalist all over the world, until they are ready to bring their grieviances to the round table. We refuse categorically to be subdued by threats of violence, from taking away the freedom of speech and thougth that we enjoy as our inalienable right under democracy.

Well dear Muki!!

"even if the pope wanted to create a debate ,he chose the wrong time"

Awesome!! so when will ever be the right time, if not now when terrorism is a major global issue, when my dear? 2100?

"he knows that muslims do not like anything being said about their religion and he knew it
why did he do it?"

Honestly, now take a break, sit back, take a deep breath Muki and think about this statement above!! Really, if muslims do not like anything being said about islam, you guys will have to move to pluto which is no longer a planet, dont you think so? I know you dont mean it, right.?

"you don't have the right to critisize no religion"

Yes, I do have the right, it is called freedom of speech and thought and it is one of the attributes of democratic economy. My critique are constructive, intending to educate and enlighten and convince you. It is a product of a logical analysis of the tenets of islam, and an attempt to rebute some of the posts of some fanatics about Jesus Crist on this forum.

"point of correction i don't look up to no muslim"

This is one of my concerns about your understanding, what I said was that you must be young and educated, right? thus naturally we expect the illitrate, uneducated muslims to probably look up to you; hence your reasoning must be able to provide some sense of direction and inspiration to them. Of what use is your educattion if you cannot inspire?