₦airaland Forum

olabowale:
@Dayokanu: Long time my friend. What Jack Straw is saying really, is that Muslim women should disrobe so that he and the others can see what they have real desire to see. What happens to the phrase that it is the brain of the woman not the body or the beauty?

What you see above is very shallow statement; and a reflection of the ignorance that pervades among a lot of fundamentalists in the islamic community who will rather keep women in perpetual bondage. In Britain, as in most developed world, community relation, integration and conversation has to do with the face as well as vocal communication. What is it that 'they have real desire to see'? I wonder why a lot of people in islam behave like the 'gay community', say something that disagree with their paradigm of thinking and they are ready to call you 'racist and islamophobic', just like the gays will scream 'homophobia' at the slightest opportunity. What we are seeing in UK among the very minority muslims are a group of people who are not ready to integrate themselves into the community but rather will live separate lives. Jack Straw has just said the opinion of the majority of peoples in UK (according to poll conducted by BBC) about muslims; they want to live here, benefit from the system and community but live a separate life disregarding the way of life in the community. This is a multi-ethnic, multicultural, multireligous community founded on the Christianity- a relfection of the tolerance of Christianity- and muslims need to understand that by learning to live in a modern world. We wonder when a woman dressed as 'ojuju calabar' goes to the airport, or to the bank or shop-lifts, or goes for driving test or want to acquire passport, how will she be identified.? People need to wake up and start thinking with their brain and not their hormones.

belloti:
Babyosisi, you know in the past, ladies were not so sharp. How could I ever expected you to be a lady?.

Oh my God, this guy Belloti is an embarassment to common sense seriously!!!. I am not surprised he is from Zamfara state where the governor can amputate a poor man for stealing a goat but himself milk the state of billions of naira. How can any right thinking man make this statement above,,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh sorry, Belloti is NOT a right thinking man, Belloti is a Muslim man. Freaking ignoramus!!!! .

@ all who have contributed and potential contributors,
Dont bother with this 'deluded' guy, he is a 'Celtic Pagan'. So how can he know what being a Christian is? Again, he is confirming the very words of God that 'It is a fool who says there is no God'. Or is it not outright foolishness and total confusion for a 'Celtic Pagan' to start talking about who is a Christian.
Remember him in your prayers.

@ Uncle Olabowale, the defender of the universe or rather defender of muslims girls,
You don't have to burst a vein in defending your ignorant and equally unexposed sister, Mukina. You are both ignorant because you've not leant the first lesson about decorum in a public place or forum. No matter the level of disagreement, always communicate in the language that everybody understands for clearity sake-i.e. english on this forum. Upon all your stories of how you've been and worked in a multicultural enviroment like the US, you don't understand this. It shows how shallow and pathetic you are. No wonder you are ready to fight for Mukina,,,,,,oh sorry I forgot, she can't defend herself because 'women have half-brain according to Islam and Muhammad'. I wonder why you are ready to attack my education or professional qualification at the slightest excuse, you've got a jealousy problem or what? You see, I am an opinionated, happily married Christian man who is always ready to put across my opinion without 'gender bias' because I believe men and women are equally intelligent and can take responsibility for their actions and statements, unlike you who is ready to fight me because I educated 'little Muki Muki' on how to behave. I am restraining myself from going the 'whole way' with your pathetic and idiotic post because I am a Yoruba man and even unconsciously respect is ingrained in us. I have told you before, you don't deserve any respect but for the sake of your age, I will still attempt at respecting you somehow . I wonder why you behave like this, don't take whatever frustrations you have on us, in the guise of fighting for 'Mukina2'. Let Muki respond for herself, abi?
Old man, you need to take a 'chill pill', I wish we could meet, you wont even dare talk to me talkless of trying to 'beat me up for Muki .
Why are you angry? I know it is because of my uncompromising and direct expositions on the idolatory called Islam and the prophet of doom come paedophile called Muhammed (piss be upon him),   I  told you before I stand up to bullies, terrorists, extremists etc, I am very ready for you Olabowale; anywhere and anytime on this forum, I will take you down, sir
So, be very prepared to hear from me on this forum too, or if you want to take it higher, we can exchange addreses in case you want to pass a 'fatwah' on me. You go know say 'iron no be wood'. Yeye man!!

Odeku:
Havila good point must I must disagree with you on some terms, how is the name diaspora different from African American? and to say some of us preffer for out children not to speak out native language is so incorrect, most of the Nigerians In Chicago born in the state actually do speak fluently like you will not believe, but i still see your point in having a president that is familiar with the issues in Nigeria, but is it possible to have a credible, honest politician in Nigeria? look at the governors, local government council men all mismanaging funds, could you attribute this to lack of exposure and education? or is it just mere greed?

Dear Odeku and all,
Thanks for your response. Indirectly, you've confirmed that the term 'Diasporan' is derogatory by referring to the African Americans. As you all know, the original 'diaspora' african-americans were like the jews, taken in captivity to the Amreicas just as the jews were taken in captivity to Babylon. Why are they called African-Americans? it is not a 'cliche' or 'style or slang', it is an attempt at having an identity which they so much crave but do not have in the 'foreign' land where they live. Every real african-american will rather prefer to know his or her 'real' root rather than the vague terminology of 'african-american'. It is unfortunate and a pity but commendable when you see them now doing all they can to have an identity by giving themselves all sorts of African name. Believe me, the phrase 'Nigerians in Diaspora' is a ridiculous name to identify oneself by but in our usual twisted attempt to create a 'niche' for ourself, it is now a term used widely but rather ignorantly by a lot of us abroad to call ourself. You know, it is an attempt at 'classying' (pardon my english)  which we so much like, i.e. we-here-abroad-and-you-there-in-nigeria-syndrome. No wonder we professionals abroad are not making real impact back home because we see ourselves as better off, more knowledgeable and exposed and these creates a separation rather than integrate us with our colleagues back home, because a status or class as been created. Imagine President Obasanjo even said he will convert Federal Secretariat Ikoyi to an Housing Estate for the 'Nigerians in Diaspora' to encourage us to come home. what about the civil servants, lecturers/professors etc who are working at home and can't even afford a house?, can't you see how disenfranchised and discouraged they will be!!
Somebody gave Sirleaf Johnson as an example, very good, she's been active in Liberian and african development/politics since the 70's and not a 'jhonny-just-come'. Many of us living abroad need to change our thinking and mentality from the 'Diasporan' mentality if we want to make any meaningful contribution back home, integrate ourselves into the system back home, collaborate from our colleagues back home, learn from them and integrate our knowledge with theirs to make a change for the better. Indian descendats from UK and US etc who are now helping their country worked with their colleagues based at home rather than adopt a 'diasporan mentality of separation or classification'.

Odeku:
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but is it possible to have a credible, honest politician in Nigeria? look at the governors, local government council men all mismanaging funds, could you attribute this to lack of exposure and education? or is it just mere greed?

Again, I disagree with you, there are honest and credible Nigerian in Nigeria, it is the loose and permisive system we have that turns honest men and women to thiefs and money launderers. If we change the system (e.g EFCC is doing it's little best in that area) and make the system so tight and discouraging for looting, honest people will remain honest. That change of system can happen if the Professional bodies e.g Nigerian Bar association, Medical Association, Chartered Accountants, Insurance, Bankers associations, teachers association etc wake up and decide to take responsibility for the lives in ordinary Nigerians and also take responsibility for the action and inactions of it's various members. Look at the legal system in Nigeria, it enjoys some respect and sanity relative to others because at least the NBA attempts to make it's members accountable in Nigeria. If all associations become very professional in conduct and not just in name, we can change the system.

I wonder what is the problem with this juvenile called mukina2; are you by chance suffering from a 'seizure disorder'?
you can speak english here, stop your gibberish 'wa ta ku lor or latataka lam' Anyway 'right back at you, sucker' whatever it means!!. God bless you and heal you of this dysphonic disorder.

olabowale:
@Babyosisi:
If you read Suratul Fatiha, you will see that Allah, the Almighty spoke about those who have incured His Wrath/Anger and those who are astray. The two groups are Jews for knowing corrupting Allah's commandments and the christians for ignorantly and stubbornly refusing to accept guidance.

Well, after reading the above statement by Olabowale, somebody rightly asked why agnostics, pagans, hindus, ogbonis, shango worshippers etc have not or did not incur the wrath of Allah? Well, it is very obvious they can't incur the wrath of allah because they are all the same; False gods, idolatory, mammons and demonic spirits are they all. So why should they incur the wrath of allah when the real enemies are those who worship and believe in the true Living God

Dear all  
Well 'Miss Pink' Mizieya has confirmed the profile I wrote about him: he is an agnostic, nassicistic, self-willed, ignorant under-achiever who's got 'issues' with God. Kindly read his various posts, (if his album is anything like his posts, nobody will listen just like most peoples are not replying his various other posts), then take a look at his picture on his web-site and you'll understand that he needs our prayers. This is a very confused man, who has decided to take issues with God and Jesus, just like the guy who shot and killed the 5 kids in the Amish community in Pennsylvania.
Since you are a self-acclaimed Celtic Pagan, it will simply be wrong to start dignifying you with responses to your ludicrous claims about the Bible, this is because you are not in control of your thoughts and mind but the spirit of the 'accuser of the brethren' reigns in your mind and he needs to be dislodged by the spirit of truth.
Seriously, God loves you, and I mean the true, living God and not the idols you worship at the 'Stone henge'; there is no length of Bible bashing that you can do that can reduce or remove the Glory of the Living God or His glory in the life of his children i.e us. I know you had issues in your past; abuse, failures, disappointment etc, however it is the same devil that you are worshiping now that subjected you to such through various peoples you've come across simply to destroy your destiny, maybe the devil knows your future is great but he will "attempt to steal, kill and destroy your destiny". By getting angry at God and worshipping the devil through your "Celtic Paganism, Druism etc, you are just helping him (devil) to fulfil his plan for your life, albeit ignorantly. But I pray that the Light of the World, Jesus Christ, will shine into your face and your life and give you the 'arresting, Damascus experience'.
God said he knows the 'thought he has towards us, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to bring us to an expected glorious end'. Why not allow the work of God in your life, listen to that inner voice calling you from the brink of darkness, find out your God-given purpose in life, forget whatever you might have gone through in life that made you angry, focus on the future.
God Loves you very much and He is calling you back from the brink. Salvation is knocking at your door, open your heart, let go of the hurts and anger, let love flow in.

Thanks Belloti for telling us what we know.
But the reason you are told we hate you muslims is simply to keep you in darkness. A true Christian is NOT permitted to hate anybody as you are 'instructed to hate and possibly kill Christians because they want to do you harm'. We do not hate YOU but we hate your religion Islam because it is idolatory and sin. Asking you not to have the 'Christians as friends' is a pre-emptive attempt by your Muhammed to perpetually keep you in his idolatory. Because he knows if you do, there is no way you will not be exposed to the Light of the World. Dont you see, he is trying to keep you down by keeping you away from those who can show you the true God, my beloved friend !!!.
On th contrary, we are commanded to Love everybody because it is only through love that we can share with you about the true God; don't you see the number of Christian missionaries all over the world even in Islamic countries; I have personally led a medical missionary team to poor villages in a predominantly muslim country in Africa, showing them the love of God by using our God given skills to bless peoples in need irrespective of their faith.
That is the difference between the True God who is Love and who asked us to love everybody but stay away from sin; compared with the god that specifically tell his slaves 'not to keep some people as friends/advisers etc because they will harm you'. No wonder it is only by the sword islam is propagated.!!

Dear All contributors,
I hope sooner or later people will realize that the term 'Nigerian in Diaspora' is actually a derogatory term by which a group of people will be proud to be identified by. I am a Nigerian professional living abroad and I disagree that Nigeria needs somebody who must have been resident aboad to come and rule; somebody said he/she has been exposed to modern environment etc. Believe me, the best person to rule Nigeria must be a honest matured person, resident in Nigeria, conversant with all the political and economic issues of the country. Most of us living abroad usually think we have solutions to all the problem of the country because we 'think we've been in places where things work'. That is a big lie, nobody can make any headway in Nigeria without the understanding and support of the Nigerian peoples at home. Nigerian professionals abroad can only make any in-road to help in developing the country by actively collaborating with the professioanls who are based at home, through transfer ot technology, knowledge and expertise, rather than we adopt a king of I-can-do-it-all like Okonjo Iweala and Oby Ezekwesili or whatever is her name.
Many of Nigerian abroad have actually adopted the 'diaspora' mentality, which is a mentality that does not understand nor want to associate with his or her country of origin. The word 'Diaspora' originated from when the Jews were taken in captivity in Babylon with resulting change of culture, mentality etc etc. Many of us are like that, prefering our kids not been able to speak our local language because it is 'status symbol', thinking everything Nigeria is bad and everything 'oyinbo' is goodetc.
Have you seen Asians and Chinese people living i UK or US, most of them rather than call themselves Diasporans will rathenr prefer to be identified by their root e.g I am British of Pakistani origin, definitely not a Nigerian, prefering the derogatory term Nigerians in Diaspora.

@ Babyosisi,
Are you taking this 'demagogic slowpoke' called firdau4u seriously that he was a pastor? Going through his various posts, has he ever displayed the intellect of somebody who actually once knows the scriptures or true God in his understanding and discussions? He has always been a literate (but not educated!) man with the intellect of the 'almajiris' of the north Not even pastors of Aladura or Cele churches are as idiotic and ignorant as this laughable character called 'Firdau4u'

Dear Akintos_o;
Yours is a very funny question. I will tell you whose decision is final about who you'll be getting married to.
Answer: YOU!!!! Not your pastor and not even your parents. With all due respect, they are both to advise, ask questions to guide, query certain issues if necessary, pray with you e.tc but ultimately the final decision is YOURS.
If you are waiting for somebody's final decision before getting married, you are probably not ready or matured enough to get married.
Peace.

IDINRETE:
Mizieya what is your religious affiliation

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@Idinrete and all;
Mizieya is a 'Celtic Pagan', the foolish group of people who hang around "Stone-Henge" looking at the sun for the meaning of their life; reading and looking for and/or about relationship of Jesus to the Greek Gods . So dont be surprised about his/her(whichever!!) attempt at Bible bashing. Kindly pray for him/her because his/her body is the temple of the devil hence the foolishness displayed in all of his/her postings. Bible says it is a fool that says there is no God.
Probably he or she had a terrible up-bringing, suffered abuse, disappointment in life etc and instead of dealing with such situations, learning and moving on with life, Mizieya decided that the true God is the enemy who must be fought at all cost. Well Apostle Paul was worse than Mizieya until he had the 'Damascus' experience, therefore I pray that Mizieya will meet with the Lord of the whole world, Jesus, on the way to Damascus very soon. His/Her soul is precious to the Lord.

MIZIEYA:
[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][color=#770077]Blinks.
Criticizing the Quran whilst studiously ignoring the contradictions, lack of morals and inconsistencies throughout the so called holy bible, is flawed thinking. [/color][/font][/b]

Dear 'Miss Pink' MIZIEYA,
Out of curiosity, I read a number of your contributions and discovered that not only do you consistently write in pink colour, your 'depth' of understanding is equally miserably pink' i.e. shallow. You are a self acclaimed 'Celtic Pagan' , most likely you hang around the 'stone-henge' looking at the sun in search of meaning to life.   Dear, you body is the temple of the spirit of confusion. Dont you see, this is what you put across in your posts, listen to yourself; 'everything or every form of faith is rubbish'. Believe me dear MIZIEYA, that is one of the early signs of an individual on the path to self distruction-symptoms you glaringly displayed include: Pride, self-will, faithlessness, narcissism, and agnostic tendencies. You know the everybody-else-is-wrong-but-I-am-right-complex!! Dear you need help.
I cannot even start to describe your flawed thinking more than I have summarized above with your profile I stated. Show us the lack of morals, inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible, and you will sure go the same way as those who came before you with the same intentions but are now missing-in-action when truth confronted them e.g Firdau4u, olabmnji07 etc.

@Uncle Olabowale,
Hi, Bible said Heaven is paved with gold etc etc, ,,,,,,,,,,But why should I start bothering about Heaven now when I am still along the course of fulfilling my God-given purpose on earth, which is a prerequisite to Heaven. If you dont Pass Maths 101, you are not qualified to sit in class for Maths 102. Why dont we focus our attention on being a blessing to the world we are living in NOW: by living a life of faith and salvation in the Lord; how to bring salvation and blessing to our neighbours; achieve peace in middle east; confront global poverty and disease; reduced maternal morbidity and mortality; let girls in afirca go to school etc that is, live a LIFE of Purpose rather than start living and thinking of Heaven and 'virgins'. How you live here depends on whether you get there

@Jagunlabi,
It is very obvious that while you are likely to be an educated, well-read, man; you article clearly has no Wisdom in it; neither are you a man of Faith. This is what happens in these new-age humanists societies with a lot educated folks gropping in ignorance.
The very first line of your 'epistle' of the mind of  is self-defeating, it states that:

"All forms of spiritual text no matter how eloquently stated, cannot actually grant wisdom to the reader, merely through the act of reading."

First, if this is so, then there is no need to further read the rest of your 'epistle' since it cannot (and actually it did not!!) grant wisdom afterall it is also a spiritual text of the 'World Mind Society'. Secondly, saying emphatically that spritual books like the Blessed Bible 'cannot actually grant wisdom merely through the act of reading' is myopic because, yes!, it does grant wisdom directly; it grants knowledge, inspiration, instructions, direction etc directly through reading. Just as a manual for operating e.g washing machine gives you wisdom on how to operate the machine before you actually touch it. (Or is knowledge of how or where to switch on the machine not wisdom?). The same way the Bible gives you wisdom on how to confront issues of life, how to make decisions, how to build your faith etc, then applying that knowledge practically in your life experience is adding to or increasing your wisdom. There is a Yoruba proverb that '[b]a hunting dog that hears the whistle i.e instruction of the hunter will never get lost in the wilderness[color=#000099][/color][/b]; the same way is the Bible the whistle of the Christian in the journey of faith/life so as not to get lost in the wilderness of life. Bible said 'Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God'. The wisdom you learn practically is consolidated by the foundational wisdom you hear and read of the words of God. Wisdom spreads along in a spectrum; that is why a a professor of mechanical engineering can be very wise (wisdom!) theoretically through reading but his wisdom becomes  increased by the practical application of what he read.
My dear, you see in a very few paragraphs based on the wisdom developed from the word of God from the Bible, I have rendered your 'epistle' of humanity and mind theory obsolete. Please, don't let all these humanists rubbish steal your soul, kindly give attention to wisdom from the word of God i.e The BIBLE.
Shalom

Inaran:
My fellow Christians, please do not get offended by what anyone has said here but pray for them. An unbeliever is not our enemy. For some of them it’s another trap (I feel like crying but please pray for them). May the good work that Our Faithful Lord Jesus has started in you, be completed. Amen

@Inaran;
Brilliant and May God bless you. We refuse to be offended, they are not our enemy, we know the enemy "who came to steal, to kill and to destroy". Our prayers are for the salvation of their souls. God has offered us salvation, Jesus has paid the price, it is left for us to accept it. An offer unaccepted is an offer refused[color=#000099][/color], please dont refuse the offer of salvation!

@Bhola, Thanks for the encouragement and may God bless you, we will not get tired of encouraging the 'blind' to come into the light.

@Oyebanji07:
Well, somebody sometime ago said 'you do not need to make an effort to be or become ignorant', in your case dear Oyebanji07, you are actively and agressively making a great effort to be very ignorant. I pity you for the length of time it would have taken you to 'copy and paste' the hare-brained article you posted, (however short it is); if applied to really reading the Gospel of John yourself, you will not be wallowing in abject ignorance that you are displaying now and in your false post about pornography in the Bible.
With regard to this long and senseless article you pasted about John 14 vs 16, which must have been written by an equally moronic individual, all your assertions that Jesus was talking about Muhammed are going into the blazes by the going into the very next verse i.e John 14 vs 17 where our Lord and Saviour in further describing the Holy Spirit said:

"Even the Spirit of Truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him NOT, neither knoweth him: but ye (i.e  the disciples of old and we born-again christians) know him; for he dwelleth WITH you, and shall be IN you."

The Greek word 'parakletos' literally means "one called alongside to help", hence the idea of a Comforter. The Holy Spirit is called 'another' comforter in vs 16 because comforter is also one of Christ's titles (1 John 2 vs 1) and God the Father is also known as The God of All Comfort (2 Corhintians 1 vs 3). This is in support of the position of Holy Spirit in the Trinity.
Now Muhammed is not a spirit but a mere violent man and world saw him and his wickedness; but the 'Another Comforter' the world  cannot see because He is the Spirit of God, thus difficult for the unbelievers to receive him due to their unbelief. Jesus further said Holy Spirit will dwell with us and shall be INside us. Definitely, he can't be talking of muhammed because you can't even claim he dwells with you or inside you since he is long dead.
So you see, instead of long jargons you pasted, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, (i.e. the Spirit of the True God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) contrasted with the false gods such as Baal, Allah, Sango, Ogun, Obatala, Okija deity etc.
Oyebamji07, give wisdom a chance and let the light shine into your heart.

Seriously, it is very clear that both the quran and it's author - Muhammed - are an embarrassment to wisdom and humanity.

[b][/b]Seriously, judging from all these quotations from the Quran, it is very glaring that both the Quran and it's author-Muhammed-are an embarrassment to wisdom, and humanity

@All contributors to this thread, let me make it a bit more complex:
This is not a simple Yes or No question as the opinion poll being taken above is trying to suggest. To answer this question, there are number of sub-questions to consider for me, a christian, perspective.

Q: Christian and Moslems Can Be Friends, Yes or No

Issues to consider:
(1) Who is this 'Christian'?
A church-goer? nominal christian? chill-out,-it's-all-good-we-worship-same-god-Christian?
Or a Bible Believing, sprit-filled, born-again Christian with a secured identity in Christ and a clear sense of purpose?
Please and please, no hating, I am not classifying here but indentifying the spectrum of understanding that exists in 'Christiendom"

(2) What exactly do we mean by this 'Friendship'?
Regular Hi-Hi, buddy-buddy, how-are-you?-I-am-fine-!- kind of Friendship?
Or a purposeful friendship/relationship with clear concern for each other's welfare etc founded on love for all?
Again, this is another spectrum of friendship from one end to other as identified above.

If you consider the above short queries, you will know the question is definitely not a straightfoward 'Yes' or 'No' question. I am awaiting the usual barrage of responses, insults, positive and negative comments etc.
But the fact has to be said.

Please, please please Dearzi, dont go out of the conversation just because there are disagreements on issues, I am really realy enjoying and learning from your postings and conversation on this topic. Dont be surprised, there are others there too who want to hear more from you. pleeeeaaaseeeee

Dear Backslider and Dearzi:
I have read through this forum, especially the discourse between you distinguished individuals, quite interesting!!. I will keep my contributions as self explanatory as possible. I am more in tune/agreement with the position of Dearzi in this discussion, however, I recognise that excesses can come from unchecked understanding or application of grace of God.
The Bible is our foundaton of truth, to learn from and admonish; however when reading the Bible (both old and new testaments), rather than take it literaly as it is written, the following questions will help us in getting the best from the words in any situation:

1) What did the bible say about it? e.g adoning of jewellery, perming of hair etc
2) To whom was it said in the Bible, wether old or new testament
3) In what context was it said e.g the epistels of Timothy that you quoted in supporting your arguments againt hair 'finishing'
4) How does it apply to my/our life; or this present circustances, times etc

These questions will help in getting the best from the bible; having a personal relationship with the Word of God; and living a life of Joy and divine liberty under the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ. It's likely, depending on each individual, that we might need further help from those more spiritually matured in understanding e.g church, however the Holy Spirit is available to give understanding to all when we ask in openness of heart.
The world is dynamic, culture is changing, however HOLINESS remains the same. You cannot judge a book by it's covers (sound familiar?) the same applies to human being. Emphasis should not be on what you wear or how you look, within the limits of decent dressing, but rather how is your HEART/THOUGHTS/MIND with God.
The rigidity of Deeper Life to refuse to be dynamic in an increasingly modern world will definitely result in two things (1) increasing modern, young people cannot or would rather not want to go to the church; and
(2) There will be a rise in fundamentalism among members of DLBC because of resistance to change in an increasing modern world.
It will be ignorant to ignore the dynamism of the world but emphasis should be on how to achieve and sustain holiness and spiritual maturity in a dynamic world without compromising the integrity of our faith. (This is one of the undoings of the islamic religion, thus it is becoming more and more irrelevant in the modern day in addition to exposure of it's idolatrous roots i.e Islam)

MORE THAN 2000 YEARS AGO, JESUS CHRIST MADE A PUBLIC SHOW AND DISGRACE OF THE DEVIL, TODAY, THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS MADE A PUBLIC SHOW AND DISGRACE OF THE SPIRIT OF "THE ACCUSER OF BRETHREN" THAT RESIDES IN THE STARTER OF THIS THREAD. HOWEVER, REMEMBER TO PRAY FOR HIM, BECAUSE IT IS NOT HIM ACTING BUT THE ANTI-CHRIST SPIRIT IN HIM. REMEMBER HIM IN YOUR PRAYERS, HIS NAME IS FIDAU4U,,,,,,,,,OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

Dear MrMayor,
Thanks for your question and no hating too. As per tithes,the 2 part questioin is What did Bible say about it? and to whom? In old testeament, it was a command of God to the nation of Israel no doubt (Malachi 3:10), however the instruction to the people of God now is to give cheerfully and generous and according to your capability toward the work of God and men of God under whom you learn (The book of Ephesians). It is true that the concept of tithes and giving generally as been abused in many churches today, and some peoples have become disenfranchised wth giving in general; however, faith cometh through hearing and hearing by the word of God. That is why it is important for christian s to have understanign by reading the bible.
Whether you give 2%, 5%, 10% 50% or 100% of your income is your decision; as long as you give your best according to your capability, cheerfully with no grudge or hesistation and in all humility to God. Giving of offering or thites is not buying blessing from God, it giving in appreciation to God. He first loves us before we loved him and this is demostrated by the sending of His only begotten son to die for our sins; in the same vein, he has first blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places, and giving is our way of showing appreciation, not buying blessing from God. Hope that is helpful, looking forward t other contributions.

Backslider,
I really admire your attempts to educate firdau4u; but to really get him to understand it is important to do a bit of esposition on the Bible; what each Book is about, who wrote it, when, to whom was it written and in what context. As you can probably see from his numerous laughable posts about Jesus, bible, christianity etc, he has consistently showed the understanding of a child. The reason is that he, like a lot of his fellow 'jammat', leaders, sheiks, mullahs, imams and confusionists like Ahmad Deedat literaly took the Bible to be a simple book like quran, written by one man, for one set of people.That is the reason why his posts are always silly and child-like, because his understanding is actually child-like but the resistance of his heart is due to long period of indoctrination and the anti-christ spirit prevalent in our world now.

@ firdau4u:
(1) The laws in the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy etc in old testaments were the laws to the nation of Israel in those days. The laws are not the laws of Bible for Christians as you are trying to claim; - ignorant and hare brainbed as always.
(2) The coming of Jesus Christ has removed all the need for the laws of the old testament because we , I mean Christians, are now under the dispesation of GRACE and not of Law. We have a New Covenant in Jesus Christ; that is contained in the New Testaments for CHRISTIANS, my dear.
(3) As you can see from the biblical quotation from the book of Romans by TayoD, Christians are to live in obedience to the laws of the land while faith and believe in Jesus Christ, his words, teachings and life is to create the renewal of the mind, because righteousness is from the Lord through faith in Jesus Christ. Even the present day of Israel do not operate those laws of leviticus and deuteronomy now.
(4) You are probably trying to 'retaliate' for the recent exposure of all sorts of atrocities permitted in Islam as written in the Quran, unfortunately you've made a very big fool of yourself by showing you do not understand what you read. Rather than ask for help with understanding, the spirit of anti-christ in you is closing you eyes and heart. You can compare this with your Sharia nations and states who are trying to attain righteousness by Sharia law, there glaring failure is evident for all to see. Gov. Sani Yerima has just been described as one of the topmost looters in Nigeria. Captain of Sharia law. See the futility of law as a way to righteousness?

@All;
Kindly remember this guy firdau4u in your prayers; according to the epistels of John 1, 2 and 3, the spirit of Anti-christ is one that rejects the divinity of Jesus and incarnation of Jesus as God in flesh and this spirit is in the world now. It is this spirit that you we are seeing in firdau4u and his fellow 'jammat' and Gnostics and even those/any christian groups that tries to lower the divine status if Jesus.

@all on Religion forum of Nairaland:
Quote from Nuhu Ribadu (EFCC Chariman) while briefing the Senate President Ken Nnamani yesterday on the agency’s investigation of state governors and their governments. (Ref: Thisday newspaper of today online)
Of Zamfara State (Sharia capital of Nigeria) he said:

“Speaking on Zamfara, he quipped: “Zamfara is one of the worst cases. We have charged the governor and his officials to court. It is a tragedy. It could end up as a case of direct stealing; there is no third party.”

Many similar cases of brazen corruption was found in other states in the North where sharia has been instituted and many southern states too. The point here is that sharia law is utterly USELESS; it does not lead to righteousness for those who are ready to reason. Righteousness only comes from the reforming of the mind and that is what Jesus Christ is about. He is the end of righteousness of, from or by the law.

olabowale:
@Havila: The nun was in a Jihad. She was trying to improve something, maybe she brought her bible along. I am in a struggle with you and you are with me. Yet i have not used any bad language aganst you, yet you do not mind to shoot some tamahawk at me. This is premptive strick. Yet you do not fear God, the almighty. He sees you and all of us together.

Uncle OlaB,
Maybe you need to go over your various posts and know how awful your language to me and others has been, yet you claim you have not used any bad language. Probably, you dont even know how your statements and vituperations are constructed. One is forced to respond to you in your own words unfortunately, so you can chill out, I think you've gotten the message now.
Yes O! the Nun was in a Jihad, abi? she is a christian crusader who rains down bombs, abi? and because she 'brought her bible along' (in your words) she is a christian Jihadist!! Dont you really sound depressing!!! seriously, your contradictions shows you need help, sir.
Tell that to the poor children who have lost the only mother they have in a state where irresponsible leaders are busy trying to impose a useless law rather than provide for their citizenry.

Sista:
Jesus ain't no African name and jesus was originally and Ethiopian who was born up in the Ethiopian mountains in a cave. The real Jesus was only a revolutionist, but he became the son of god

Nne na wa o! Can you kindly give your reference to back this up. Wonders shall never end on this nairaland sef. Really where did you read this? Are you a rastafarian?("pass the duthcy on the left hand side", ) I am not saying you are lying, please, dont get me wrong, but kindly provide a reliable, scriptural or scientific evidence to back up your claims that Jesus grew up in a cave in Ethiopia, awesome,, incredulous
By the way, 'Jesus' is not English name, it is the Greek translation of "Yeshua" which is the Aramaic name of Jesus meaning 'saviour'.

belloti:
The pope was wrong and he dare not say that again. And i believe he can't

Because if he dare say that again, muslims will pass a fatwah on him, kill him by beheading him; and so they will let the world know that Islam is a peaceful religion(my foot)