₦airaland Forum

belloti:
Havila, this is a great disservice to nigerians. We are all free to express our support for our chosen candidates and that includes you too. So please no campaign of columny here

Dear 'Mallam Belloti',
On the contrary, I am doing and will continue to do a great service to my nation Nigeria. As you are free to offer your support, so am I free to counter it, ridicule it, expose the ludicrous and imbecilic. Sani Yerima is a disgrace to civilization and modernisation. A poor leader with nothing to offer the people, but rather climbed on the 'sharia' bandwagon to blindfold the dogmatic, poor and uneducated masses and to string along the few educated ones like yourself. This is not a campaign of CALUMNY (note the correct spelling) but freedom of expression which is enshrined in democracy. While he has embarked on unimaginable looting of the state treasury which Mallam Nuhu Ribadu describe as "direct stealing in the case of Zamfara State", yet he can amputate the arms of poor fellows who stole few pence.
What has a leader who imposed discriminatory school fees against non-indigene in his state has to offer the rest of the nation? A governor who has made his state unbearable for non-indigenes to the extent that people feel like 'foreigners' inside their own country. Very soon, in the spirit of sharia, non-indigenes and non-muslims in your backward state will need residence permit to live there.
According to the UNDP report, do you know that your state is among the least developed state in Nigeria with regard to all developmental indices, despite years of 'sharia rule' by the ignoramus called Sani Yerima? . It is your right to offer your support to a 'donkey' or even a 'goat' to contest for any post, however it is also the right of right-thinking peoples to oppose you and others like you. That is called democracy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and not theocracy

@TV01,
Well I have 1 phrase in response:-----> intellectually-inclined debate based on scriptures!!

@All,
Please let us support Alhaji Sani Yerima for President, and Diepreye Alamiesegha for vice-president, and Ayodele Fayose for Senate President. That is the dream team for Nigeria in 2007, and all young men and women in Nigeria should be ready to migrate to Togo, Ghana or Benin republic etc.

NB: Dont they speak English in Malaysia?

@RevDaniel,
There is ONE thing God cannot do: HE CANNOT SIN!

@Babyosisi,
Again, you proved yourself as a soldier for christ. I was about posting another response to bab787's post on the contradictions when I saw yours, and you've done a much much better job.
I hope he reads the very first part especially the portion that gave an account of the history of the bible as I suggested to him and the incomparability of the bible with the delusional Quran. An open mind will see the truth, let's hope he sees it.
Well done, girl!

@TV01,
Actually, this is going to be my last response to you. I can now understand why TayoD did not continue in a 'discussion' with you. In the beginning, I opined your understanding is limited and that you are forceful and not really intellectually inclined in your arguments, you've confirmed that with your rather intrepid and rude last post.
To your unmuddle thinking, homosexuality is a judgement from 'high', wonder why people will take a passage and twist it. Then every form of immorality is judgement from 'high' or God, that is a wicked thinking., if that is it, why bother to teach or pray people out of it? Or how is homosexuality different from other sins, it is the work of the flesh, pervesion of the devil
I dot not operate on the basis of any doctrine, as you are always quick tolable, other than the teachings of christ and his apostles in the bible.
You said, I am responding to your points, well I asked you to provide the scriptures you claimed are contrary to christians participating in politcs, but you've did not, while I supplied some in support. You now quoted Iraq and abortion figures. utterly confused.
You really need wisdom and teachings, you stated you dont believe in people in reference to some acclaimed teachers I mentioned;that has really restricted your thinking. Proverbs said 'in the multitude of counselling there is wisdom'. Get undertanding!!
Have a nice life.

lafile:
quite simple really
the greeks made their gods an image of themselves. their gods exhibited their lust, petty rivalry, intrigues, jealousy and vengeance.
the moslem god is a mirror image of mohammed and his cronies. their idea of 'heaven' is a place to exhibit their sexual pervesions, lusts and gluttony. Notice how everything is tailored to satisfy the flesh of the average male? same reason why d muslim god condones violence, vengeance, mutilations and d likes. its just a depiction of mohammeds personality traits and temperaments.

@lafile,
If I dont read anything else today, your posting above has made my day. It really shows the 'hedonistic' origin of islam.

@this babs787,
Obviously, you dont know the meaning of vulgar. Saying your post is 'ignorant' and the product of a 'prejudice' mind is an expression based on observation of facts from your write-up. If I had called you a 'fool or an idiot', then that would qualify for vulgar, but I did not, abi?.
You've copied what your equally ignorant mullahs/ustahs/mallams etc fed to you in your various masjids/madrassas etc in their attempts at bible-bashing because of the underlying 'anti-christ' sentiments. I told you to research the bible and not just swallow in the unfounded lies of your islamic scholars who are wallowing in abject poverty of reasoning. There are many versions of bible to suit different English understanding; same historical accounts in the bible could have been recorded and written slightly differently by different peoples but the ultimate message to us is still the same; that is the important thing. The Bible is not just a collection of plagiarized biblical stories called quran written by Muhammed in a cave where he was probably having schizophrenic hallucinations going by the violent threads in the book, and the fact that some portion of Quran had to be removed (heard of satanic verses?) Before you accuse me of talking about Muha/Quran (not really worth it), go back to your masjid and do your research well, your Bible bashing attempts cannot reduce or remove the Glory of our Lord. You and your islamic cohorts are an infinitesimal entity, to think you are even trying to support your claim with a quotation from the Quran of all book is utterly ridiculous, a macabre dance of absurdity.

feelgood:
Amorc is not a cult, yeah. That's true. Just as Atiku is an honest and largely misunderstood person
and Obj a virgin.
Have you heard? Ogboni is a gathering of scientists researching on how to make the world a better place.
Be cool ya all, be cool

@Feelgood,
Brilliant rethorical statements there, brother.

cheavroi:
yes amorc is a cult,and even to becomes a member of a church u need to be baptised which in a way is a form of initiation.i generally think everything is a cult stuff even the military

@Cheavroi,
I am sure you are one of those believers in conspiracy theories, aliens from space, the order of the illuminati etc,,,, Whatever!! But which church says u need to be baptised to be a 'member'? Not even orthodox churches, do you know what baptism really is?

@TV01,
Let me start from your last question: What do you mean by 'Christian politics'? It does not exist, at the beginning of this discourse, I gave a definition of politics but also added that politics is usually defined by the quality of it's attributes but it is an art itself. You added a new one with Christian politics which could be an idiomatic expression. Christians participating in administration or in making the laws they and their families are required to live by does not mean it is Christian politics. However, I will give you examples of how peoples have allowed their Christian principles to direct or influence governing; the stem cell research, legalization of abortion, gay marriages in the Federal and some state systems in US is currently being challenged because George Bush and some state Governors are using their Christian principles to aid them in setting boundaries or limitations in an increasingly permissive world. This is an example of principle and we do not need to go into George Bush as a person.

And to your 2 scenarios, it's really funny because: how will the position of the Christian involved in politics with peoples of other faith and believes really be different from the position of the Christian missionary on the field who needs to minister to peoples of different faiths and beliefs, again in an increasingly permissive world, when it comes to facing compromise? Both of them must be principled enough and prayerfully approach issues and peoples of other faith; but ultimately believe and rely on the convicting and convincing power of the Holy Spirit to actually bring about a change.
Yes, homosexuality was once illegal, so what happened? The answer is that we went to sleep and the 'enemy' came to sow tares. We were and still behaving exactly as you are prescribing, which is to ignore politics and law making at our own peril. While law in itself might not keep people off the path of wickedness, it can sure create a very conducive environment or atmosphere for wickedness. Ensuring that the law does not do those enhances the work of Christian ministry in saving souls.

Quote from Belloti: As for the guys talking about worship. there wont be need for that when you get there. You are only given the chance to worship here and when you got there you reap the reward.

@All,
I hope you can all read the above statement from Belloti; before he starts accusing me of 'misrepresenatation as usual' So in your own heaven called 'jannat' there is no need to worship God. I totally agree with you that is what must be in the Quran. If there is no need to worship God, then God is NOT there!!!!. When will you wake up and realise the Quran is leading you straight to Hell? All the sweet coating about virgins and foods and dress is just to confuse you for God's sake, Muhammed Attah and all the suicide bombers must have found out now.
And since when did 80,000 beautuful young boys come to mean both boys and girls. This is the season of truth.

@TV01,
I was about replying to your initial response until I read the follow-up about the lady Mitchelle Bachman. I am no longer sure where your standing is but I think you've seen yourself through the achievements and the aims of this great woman what the impact of christians being in politics could be, going by your own very words, or what do you think we've been talking about since:

TayoD:
Her name is Mitchelle Bachman, a Minnesota State Congress Woman now running for the Nation's Congress. Against her candidature is the far-left who see her as a threat to the advancment of homo-sexuality. She's the author of the State's Marriage Ammendment bill which should be on the ballot this November. She is vehemently opposed to abortion and is known to be above board. Funny enough, her sister is a lesbian, but that doesn't keep her from standing up for what is true to her conscience. (that is the very nature and kingdom of christ in her)
This is a Christian in politics, using the world but not abusing it (1 Corinthians 7:31); being a salt and light to the world (Matthew 5:13-16), and being a minister of God (Romans 13:4).
Just like money, politics is a tool that can be used for right or for wrong. Politics in the hands of the wicked will bring suffering to the people(Amen, preach it!), while politics in the hands of the uncompromisingly righteous, will bring blessings and rejoicing. (You see why you and I and many christians should consider going into politics like her, not to lead but to serve and exert godly positive influence in the world that the wicked reins unchallenged, formulating policies that affects our lives)

So, do you now support christians in politics or you support only those christians who are "50yrs old, been born again since the age of 16 and have 5 children and 23 forster children" should go into politics.
You definitely misunderstood my saying that Jesus has political clout in his ministry. TV01, this our period (between the first coming of christ and his return) is called the 'Church age' in the gospel; now look at these periods and see what I mean by the political clout that Jesus brought into the world. The church, (as in the so-called 'churches' e.g church of england etc), might have misused the political clout they exerted on the world before, but that is the more reason why we of the body of christ, the heavenly eclessia, must rise up now and positively impact the world we live in. Nobody gave politics, finance etc to the devil, he took it because we buried our head in the sand, as a result gay marriage has been legalised in many so called christian nations, abortion is free-for-all, corruption is endemic, poverty is overwhelming. Do you see my point.

@TayoD and Akintos_o,
Hi guys, kindly calm down both of you, I am appealing. A potentially important discussion risks being derailed by the exchange of vituperations. TayoD made a legitimate reference to the Christ Embassy issue but we can benefit from a 'clarification' if the story is not as we 'heard'.

Now back to the issue; I am a christian and I am not one of those who believe we christians need to talk as if we are not living in the world, but we ARE NOT OF THE WORLD by the nature and kingdom of Christ INSIDE us. Jesus said 'Give what belong to Caesar unto Caesar'. How is this relevant?: Anything we do, and how we do it, is important because it has potential to bring either shame or glory to the name of our Lord. If there is any financial impropiety allegation against any church or while investigating such a case, if it leads to a church, such a church MUST subjects it's whole account to the relevant regulatory/investigating authority. I believe this is the position of TayoD and I am in total support of this. This is not a case of rivalry or disunity in the body of christ but maintaining the integrity of the body of christ in accordance to the prevailing laws of the land we live in. Here in the UK, there is a Charity Commission that monitors all donations made to every organisation that receives donations(church, mosques, NGO etc); even church offerings etc are considered as charity donations. It is working very well and ensures that they spend whatever money they receive accountably, and it helps ensure confidence in the system. Saying 'God will judge' or that 'church is under the control of God' is not scripturally correct to use as an excuse for the body of christ to operate below the standard principle of accountability in any nation, in fact we must operate far above board as an example to the 'world' of the nature of Christ in us.

@TayoD and Akintos_o,
Hi guys, kindly calm down both of you, I am appealing. A potentially important discussion risks being derailed by the exchange of vituperations. TayoD made a legitimate reference to the Christ Embassy issue but we can benefit from a 'clarification' if the story is not as we 'heard'.
Now back to the issue; I am a christian and I am not one of those who believe we christians need to talk as if we are not living in the world, but we ARE NOT OF THE WORLD by the nature and kingdom of Christ INSIDE us. Jesus said 'Give what belong to Caesar unto Caesar'. How is this relevant?: Anything we do and how we do it is important because it has potential to bring either shame or glory to the name of our Lord. If there is any financial impropiety allegation against any church or while investigating such a case, if it leads to a church, such a church MUST subjects it's whole account to the relevant regulatory/investigating authority. I believe this is the position of TayoD and I am in total support of this. This is not a case of rivalry or disunity in the body of christ but maintaining the integrity of the body of christ in accordance to the prevailing laws of the land we live in. Here in the UK, there is a Charity Commission that monitors all donations made to every organisation that receives donations(church, mosques, NGO etc); even our church offerings etc are considered as charity donations. It is working very well and ensures that they spend whatever money they receive accountably, and it helps ensure confidence in the system. Saying 'God will judge' is not scripturally correct to use that as an excuse for the body of christ to operate below the standard principle of accountability in any nation, in fact we must operate far above board as an example to the 'world' of the nature of Christ in us.

forgiven:
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I have not gone through all you wrote here in the Bible but will definitely take my time to go through.

However, I would suggest that before you come out with a sensitive topic like this, try and gather your group of researchers and lay your hands on the original version of the Bible from which other translations were made. If you see all these contradictions in the original Bible, the very first one that was written by the people inspired by God then you can now openly open your mouth to talk,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

If you see the original manuscript that was written with ink and feathers on the scroll, use it as your basis of comparisim and come out with any contraditions.

@Forgiven,
Hi and a very good day to you. I am a Christian too but I disagree with your position and/or suggestion with all due respect. Asking the ignorant fellow who posted the so-called 101 contradictions in the bible to get the original manuscript or version of the bible could be easily interpreted as shying away from the issue by asking him to do what is almost impossible, and could be seen as avoiding the debate. As you know, the original version or scrolls were written in Hebrew and I doubt if he can read Hebrew because he is still struggling with English.
You said you will research his claims, great! do that and you will see how purile and intrepid his post is; most of it actually boils down to difficulty with understanding English, the history of the bible, cross-linking and checking biblical references, etc upon a background of 'anti-christ' sentiments by our dear friends of the 'other faith'. You can see peoples like Davidylan and Akinagirl are already doing their best to correct him; what we need to do is to "educate and enlighten" peoples like Babs787 that there is no contradictions in the bible but limitations in understanding the historical components in the bible especially by 'prejudiced' minds. Even, leading scholars (Christians and non-christians alike), pastors, theologists etc are still researching the bible to get better understanding because of the depth of the wisdom in the 'book'.

@Davidylan,
Yes o! na wa, we woke up yesterday to that gory news again. You know, I will respect a muslim fundamentalist who carry his/her load and goes to Iraq or the hills of Afghanistan to fight against perceived enemies; than these lazy, virgin-chasing, imbeciles who will rather kill innocent peoples. Unfortunately, the latter option appeals more to them because that is the commandment of their leading terrorist of a prophet; and the option of "wide-eyes virgins with large bossoms in jannat" is rather enticing to a looser on earth, isn't it?

@Babyosisi,
My answer is E: A religion of piss!!

@all,
Really, going through this 'pictoral depiction' of a heaven called 'jannat', I now see it is just like a 'spring-break holiday in IBIZA, Spain. Search Ibiza online and see what I mean: food, food and food, cross-dressing, partying like hell, getting down and down-lows etc ect

@Babyosisi,
you better dont get my friend Roscodaddy in 'trouble' with your description of "wide-eyed female virgins with large bossoms" Odikwa risky!!!

@Babyosisi,
Believe me, that was a brilliant, long (,,,,pheww ), but very true 'Top 10 reasons why islam is not peace' you posted.

@Davidylan
However, the potrayal by this Malam from Kano or is it Sokoto that Muslim are victims is very laughable. Do I sense a hint of 'leave us alone' in his posting? I am very happy; that is what confronting fundamentalism head on will always do. The world has been intimidated for long enough by these guys and enough is enough. We can NOT allow some people to just take away our peace and freedom that was fought for with blood.

TV01:
Hi Havila,
Please don't take offence, but I don't see how you can read scripture enjoining Christians to serve one another, as a mandate to enter the worldly political arena. The Lord said "The Leaders of this World" - We are not of this world! The reason we are to conduct ourselves differently is because we are under a different rule, in a different kingdom.

@TV01,
'We are not of this world' or 'in a different kingdom' does not mean we are not living in this world now. It is contradictory for you to say you are not of this world and still talk about serving the needy, poor and downtrodden. You have to be in this world to see their suffering and do the will of God in ministering to them even if they are not 'Christians' like you. When Jesus talk of His kingdom as being not of this world, to us christians, he is giving us an account of the 'nature' of His kingdom. It's nature is NOT worldly; it is a kingdom within men, set up in our hearts and conscience, it's riches spiritual, it's power spiritual, and it's glory within. That does not mean we are not living in the physical world where we are to impart influence with the nature of God's kingdom within us. It amounts to "escape theology" when you claim we are not of this world as a reason to shy away from our responsibilty and mandate. So how do you really serve the poor, unemployed, needy, sick etc if we stay away from using the nature of God's kingdom in us to particpate actively in governing the affairs of our nation? By doing missionary works, good, but not enough my friend!!

Yes, Jesus Christ did not seek fame or political clout, he does not have to; he had political clout through his ministry. Nobody else in the history of the world till date has had the 'political clout' on world affairs than Jesus Christ. He confronted the law of the Pharisees and saducees and rulers who were lording it over the people then(sound familiar?); we are here today in freedom of worship because of his 'political clout'. By the nature of God's kingdom in us, we have the political clout to positively influence, not seeking it. Seeking clout is what worldly politicians do, that makes them behave as masters and not servants as Jesus told us to be in greatness.
I await the 'contra-sciptures' against our being in politics because, as I detailed above, because Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this world is definitely not againt our being involved in the world, but against living like the world.

@TV01 et al: I will kickstart my argument in support of Christians participating in politics with scriptural evidence thus:

What exactly is politics?: As a noun, it is defined in the dictionary as: “The art or science of government or governing, especially the governing of a political entity, such as a nation, and the administration and control of its internal and external affairs.” It could also mean “The activities or affairs engaged in by a government, a politician, or political party”. Thus, in whatever way you look at it, politics is actually about the art of governing, leadership, administration or influencing; and NOT the quality of those attributes (whether good or bad) which however is usually used to define politics. For example: A bad teacher does not mean teaching is bad, right?

Now, let’s go to the greatest book on leadership-the Bible, and check out one example of the instruction of the greatest leader himself, Jesus Christ to his disciples -i.e. Christians today- in Matthew 20 vs 25-28. (The context was following the request by the mother of Zebedee’s children for Jesus to ‘positions’ her sons on His left and right in His Kingdom and the anger of the other disciples at James and John for ‘jostling for positions’.)

Matt Chapter 20: (25) But Jesus called them unto him, and said, You know that the rulers of the world lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. (26) But that is not what you are to do: He who would become great among you shall be your minister;  (27) and whosoever would be first among you shall be your servant: (28) even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.”

You can see that Jesus DID NOT tell us NOT to be great or not to be leaders, he did NOT say that desire is wrong. Instead He told us how to get there, what it means to be a great leader and how to be a great leader. What we see in our politicians today are leaders who do not wish to serve the people, but want to be served or rather worshipped. That does not mean politics is wrong but that the politicians are wrong since they do not know what it means to be a leader. I will await responses and counter arguments before showing other evidences in support of our being actively involved in the affairs of our nation politically. Peace.

Roscodaddy:
So u mean no more virgins for me,okay what about the others ones,I go manage them like that.

@Roscodaddy,
What other ones are you looking for? the 80,000 beautiful boys walking around and looking like beautiful pearls? I dont think so, abi?

davidylan:
Eating continously for 40 years!!!!! Haba, where's the time to even "worship" 'god'?

@Davidylan,
Bros, who go get time to worship when they are busy partying, eating, cross-dressing and "getting down"

Enigma:
Myles Munroe is not exactly a wise choice of a "teacher" anyway; and i have seen him speak live too.

Is that all? Thanks!. What else do you have to say on the topic?

Quote from TV01: I read a great book on leadership, it's called the Bible. As for sitting down with whomever, please refer to my comments above about people. Name dropping is at best a bore, but if you have anything to share, please do.  I am always eager for the chance to reduce my "Scriptural Limitedness" Like I said, aren't we all scripturally challenged?
Scripture? "My kingdom is not of this world", would be a good start. May I point out the symbolism of those that represent the state in scripture. I'm sure your close to unlimited scriptural knowledge means you know exactly who they are. "The Leaven of Herod".  Sounds like a tithing dominionist is telling me where to get off

@TV01,
You can fly off to name calling by calling me a 'tithing dominionist' when you don't even know my stand on tithing, whatever!!. Saying I have sat at Myles Munroe and others at seminars is not an attempt at name dropping but to let you know that this is currently a topical issue and because I am interested in politics ; however I am willing to learn from divergent opinion and discussions on this topic. If I deduce from your intonation about your "comments above about people", that could mean you are not interested in some of the speakers I referred to. Well, nobody has the monopoly of wisdom and believe me, you can learn a lot from other, well experienced teachers if only you submit. No doubt bible is a great book, but we need to learn from other teachers and men on God to have deeper understanding.
Well, you mentioned you have scriptures but only wrote a line and said, let's start from there. Why don't you start, let us know what your inferences are from the passage you quoted ("My kingdom is not of this world", your expositions etc because now I don't know what you are thinking or how that passage is against Christians participating in politics. You will have to say more than that because i wont like to quote you out of context; at least you started the claim that it is contra-scriptural for christians to be in politics, then prove it conclusively and then I respond. Thanks for aplogising to TayoD,; it shows you are a man of dignity. So let's have a straight discussion. Regards.

EmemJU:
Marriage is a family affair and has less to do with the church.

@Ememju,
Thanks 4 ur comment however this statement of yours above is very debateable; but I will be grateful if you can clarify further what you mean so I do not read wrong meanings into your statements with all due respect.
However, in doing this note that Marriage is Not just the ceremony performed, but 'marriage' actually starts after the 'ceremony'. I have some statistics that could point at the important role of church and/or fellowship with other christians in a successful marriage. Thanks.

@TV01,
Seriously and with all due respect, I think you have a limited understanding of the scriptures but always forceful in asserting your point. I read some of your contributions on the Tithes discussion, etc. Can you kindly point out where it is inferred in the scriptures that Christians participating in politics is 'contra-scriptural'? before you start accusing TayoD of turning tail. Let's leave Chris Okotie for now and discuss the "principle or concept of christians in politics"
What exactly do you understand by the word 'politics'? You are more or less agreeing with the concept that 'politics is a dirty game'. Who gave that definition?. The press, philosophers, etc. The thuggery, arson and violence practiced do not define 'politics'. When God created man and said 'Have Dominion,,,,,,,' do you really understand the concept of dominion? It is not 'about dominating' that is done in 'our politics' but influencing the world positively in every facet and discipline to the glory of God.

The next concept is 'who is a Christian'? Is it just the church goer? Our nation and the world is in a jam now because we Christians have not really taken up the command of God to "Have Dominion". It is not just about establishing churches, and ordaining new pastors that is the divine mandate of the body of Christ. I will recommend you attend some Christian leadership seminars, read leadership books written to actually know the role of the "Ecclesia" in politics and the world affairs. I have sat down with Myles Munroe among many others at many teachings where we used the Bible Scriptures to investigate the role of the body of Christ in politics/world affairs and I am telling you, we need to get out there, and get into politics. This is the beginning of this thread, believe me nobody will turn tail because I am very interested in this and I hope TayoD and many others will come and 'let us reason together'. But before we go on, kindly furnish us with the scriptures you claimed are against Christians participating in politics. Peace.

@All,
This is quite a 'revealing' picture of 'a heaven', seems as if the major emphasis is on partying, dress-ups and eating galore. So what really makes this 'jannat' different from 'Dorchester Hotel' in Hyde Park of London, or the Marriot Hotel in Emeryville, California or the only 7-star hotel in the world found in Dubai? Because almost all of these could be found there.
Except the "80,000 'beautiful boys' moving around looking like beautiful pearls"; now this is pretty scary picture, if you guys know what I mean!!!

@Babyosisi,
True the Bible talks of the 'peace of God that passeth all understanding'; but the peace will be inside us in our mind, abi? That is what I mean by inner peace as a 'meaning' in my follow-up post; and not a 'definition as used in the new age movement'.
I already assume we must be talking of a born again and praying potential couple here, otherwise he wont be asking about seeking pastors approval, right? I hope I am not 'over-assuming'.
But the fact is the final decision is yours.

@ Olabowale,
All your cursings and evil-wishes will only come back upon you and only you, double fold, because it cannot harm me. You have failed right from the begining and your allah/al-illah (moon god) cannot deal with me because I belong to the Living God. The mad peoples are you and your Abiola family-friend throwing foolishness around because you cannot erase history, it is there for all to see and read even after death.
Your past has been mared by bitterness and hatred which you refuse to let go because of the wickedness of your heart, therefore it will await you even in your future. If you decide to continue the way you are with hatred and bitterness, your hell has already started in your life here on earth, old man!!!. In preparation for the real hell. But my Lord has no delight in the destruction of the wicked, only if they repent. Repent from your wicked ways Olabowale, you are no god, allow the Light of the World to break your heart. You have been properly reduced to your place on the bare floor because of your pride, intolerance and bitterness, obviously you've never been confronted before; you feel you can intimidate the whole world. You have failed as before and as you will always unless you forsake wickedness and bitterness . Darkness and wickedness can never overcome Light and Love, Never!!! I do not wish you die ignorantly in your sins, wickedness, and bitterness, because what will be the point of such a wasted living?
I am alive, hale, hearty and rejoicing in the Lord Jesus, the Son of the Living God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to whom belongs all power and I am basking in His glory. Therefore, I have no part in your deity allah and it has no power over me, Havila. Your evil ways has been exposed to the whole world, look at the reponses to your post!!!. It is quite unfortunate for you. Your pride, intolerance and arrogance went before your fall and open disgrace. To me, you are not dead because I will pray for you, for God to touch your heart so you can let go of whatever is making you bitter and angry at 'Christians' and Jesus, I will even pray for your children. You might have declared yourself as my enemy with your hatred and intolerance, but I am not permitted to hate by my God, so I love you with the love and mercies of God; but I despise everything you represent. You are not a man of any faith, Olabowale, you are a muslim fundamentalist committed, body, spirit and soul, to wickedness. That is the path of destruction both on earth and thereafter.

In conclusion Olabowale, may the Living God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ bless you, keep you and have mercies on you; may He bless your children and make their paths straight towards Him. May the power of the true God break all the hurts and pain of your past and make you see His Glory. Every wicked power having their hold on you will loose their grip. Your children will be great and successful. The devil will not make you miss your mark. These I pray for you and your children in the precious name of Jesus Christ, (and the people of Nairaland religion forum join me and say,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,  AMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN Goodbye, sir.

NB: That is how you know a  child of, and believer in, the true God who is Love. He "loves his enemies, do good to them which hate him, bless them that curse him,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,," (Luke 6 vs 27&28)

@All,
Brilliant dicsussion and expositions. If you read the first, second and third Epistles of John in the Bible, we are reliably informed that the 'spirit of the anti-christ is already here in the world', maybe not the anti-christ himself!!. Why are you surprised at all the 'braying and rantings of Ahmadinajad and the Ayatollas of Iran, as well as the deep seated anti-christ sentiments or violence associated with our dear followers of the self-declared prophet who is a 'descendants of Ishmael'? It is a fulfillement of the gosple coming true in our time.
However, my main comment is actually on the declaration by Ahmadinajad/Ayatollah to wipe out Israel and it's eschatological relevance. In fact, to christians, that is one of the statements to take least seriously!!! Why? , this is because the Iranian president and co declared their own very destruction the day they made such declaration. Why did I say that? The answer can be found in 'the Book'; Have you not heard of the irrevocable covenant of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob with the nation of Israel in Jeremiah 31 vs 35-36?. Listen:

[center]"Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of Hosts is His name.
"If those ordinances depart from before me", saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever."[/center]

So, if Ahmadinajad et Ayatollahs and co can stop the sun and moon from shinning, then they can wipe Israel off the map. But we know and they know that they cannot. So, they've declared war on God, examples abound of the end result of those who declared war on the Living God.

@JosBoy4Lif

Well, I have scripture backed Answers to your question, so no controversy:
1)Do Jews not worship the God of Abraham?: Yes they do, but some do not yet believe in the Son, but "Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life: No man cometh unto the Father but by the Son". (John 14 vs 6) But eventually they will believe in the Son. (see Roman 11 for that confirmation)

2)Do Muslims not worship the God of Abraham?:  Actually,,,,,,,,, No, they don't!! because I can't find it in the Bible that they do, but found those who worship/pray like them in Ezekiel 8 vs 16; then read what the God of Abraham said in the next 2 verse.

3)Do Christians not worship the God of Abraham:? Heil Yes!!, we do indeed. "The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go". (Acts 3 vs 13) Additionally, He is the true living God who "so loved the world that He gave His only beggoten Son that whosoever believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life"(John 3:16)

The Quran teaches peace: show us where, willing to see please
The Bible teaches peace: Abundantly, e.g Read Matthew Chapter 5, vs 1-end for starters!!!

@Moch,
Cool, not ludicrous with your explanation but was somehow confusing . I will however like to know your reasons or arguements for saying that my describing North Korea as a 'special case' is arguable. I have my reasons for seeing NK as a special case but I am willing to learn from an open minded discussion.
The only reason, if I may hazard a guess, that you think 'Nuclear' and Global politics in the same statement refers to a Nuclear weapon is simply because of the current impasse between Iran, NK on one side and UN, US etc on the other. Believe me, that phase will pass soon and it could likely go as I predicted or not.