₦airaland Forum

dustydee:
I bet you most people don't pass through airport toll everyday twice a day. This is largely a residential area. Imagine having to pay toll 6 times a day 5 days a week.

Many people that pass that toll plaza are not going to the airport, the toll gate is for the Airport - Ikeja bye-pass and not on the airport road itself. You can go from Oshodi to either Airports without paying toll. In fact you can go to all the three terminals in Lagos without paying any toll at the airport toll gate!

Most take it as an alternative and are willing to pay, rather than go through the Apapa Oshodi expressway. Those people staying in Ikeja and working along Apapa-Oshodi do pay that toll daily. But they are grateful as they avoid the Ikeja-Oshodi-Apapa route.

mbulela:
guy your argument does not make much sense. I pay 25% of my salary as tax and i do not earn anything spectacular. i know over 5 persons on this site who pay almost 40% tax,all resident in Nigeria.
What do we get for the tax we pay?absolutlely nothing. i dare you to mention one thing i get from the tax i pay. i generate my own power, water, and security. I pay for health care and pay my kids school fees. If i live in Lekki, i will probably be providing my own roads. then the moment i step out of Lekki, the govt tolls the govt road leading out.

At the bolded part, someone has not be too turthful with you. The tax bracket in Nigeria is 5% - 25%, and in Lagos, the highest is 20%, in Delta 22% and Rivers is 25%. These are the highest tax brackets in the country.

Except of course those people are telling you about their PAYE + Property + Refuse tax +LG Tx+Service+ etc, which could be possible. But note that only PAYE cuts across everyone while the others are nased on what you own. Of course the more properties you own, the more you pay.

To everyone parroting that the Lekki road leads to a purely residential are, let it be known that the official name for that road for more than a decade is Lekki-Epe Expressway. It is a highway, a trunk B road that has now been reclassified as Trunk A. That road was never residential as it was built and is being maintained as a highway.

BTW, while the tolling was in place on the Sagamu-Benin expressway, why were there no protests on behalf of the poor villagers living along its path, or was that expressway built and all villages bordering it evacuated? Note that while it was in place, the poor villagers in Okada town had to pay toll to go see their relatives in Benin. The poor villagers in Obigbo also paid toll to go work daily while commuting to Port-Harcourt in Rivers State, were there protest then?

From the way I see it, this protests are more political/sentimental than anything else. People are being riled based on the perceived beneficiary or owner of the company while they do rough calculations of what the toll plazas would generate yearly. They however fail to calculate the costs in salaries, road repairs and infrastructure maintenance over the life of the concession.

Tolling is not new in Nigeria, and highways can be tolled anywhere else in the world. Nigeria isn’t an exception.

To everyone parroting that the Lekki road leads to a purely residential are, let it be known that the official name for that road for more than a decade is Lekki-Epe Expressway. It is a highway, a trunk B road that has now been reclassified as Trunk A. That road was never residential as it was built and is being maintained as a highway.

BTW, while the tolling was in place on the Sagamu-Benin expressway, why were there no protests on behalf of the poor villagers living along its path, or was that expressway built and all villages bordering it evacuated? Note that while it was in place, the poor villagers in Okada town had to pay toll to go see their relatives in Benin. The poor villagers in Obigbo also paid toll to go work daily while commuting to Port-Harcourt in Rivers State, were there protest then?

From the way I see it, this protests are more political/sentimental than anything else. People are being riled based on the perceived beneficiary or owner of the company while they do rough calculations of what the toll plazas would generate yearly. They however fail to calculate the costs in salaries, road repairs and infrastructure maintenance over the life of the concession.

Tolling is not new in Nigeria, and highways can be tolled anywhere else in the world. Nigeria isn’t an exception.

@OP, the thing wey pain me pass be sey, you no even fit photoshop any car and claim it to be your own! Haba!!!

ochibs1010:
you dont deserve a response from me, I REST MY CASE.

I am not surprised you went this route, it is a time tested refrain of those without ideas or caught out with falsehood.

ochibs1010:
i wonder what you intend to get/do with my resumption time as this is not the subject of discussion, however i was in the hold up yesterday and i thought it wise to get up very early and beat the hold-up today, its past 11am and the hold up is mad out there(that is the subject of concern), for your information, i am just on work visit and wont even spend the next 1 year here in Lagos, i ONLY feel for the people and pity people like you that are fed crumbs to hide the truth, YOUR PEOPLE WILL LEAVE WITH THIS FOR THE NEXT 30YRS.

Hmmmm, now you are trying to change the post in your story, why? When you posted the pix and claimed that you were in the hold-up for 3 hours, and posted it at 8:48, I asked if you normally/usually leave your house by 5:30am to resume work and you emphatically answered YES.

Now that the implicationof that answer has dawned on you, you star trying to confuse the situation. Since you have gotten the gist, let me now lay it out to you.
Scenario 1: You normally leave home by 5:30am to beat the traffic and today you left home by the same 5:30am and still got to office at the same time.
Scenario 2: You normally leave home by 5:30am to resume by 7:00 but due to traffic you got to work late by 8:30am
Scenario 3: You normally leave home by 7:00am due to free roads but due to the traffic today, you got to the office late.

So which one is it?

ochibs1010:
@Akainzo, yes

So you normally leave your house at 5:30am in the morning prior to when the toll began, and what time do you resume work? 6:00am, 6:30am, 7:00am. 7:30am or 8:00am?
I ask as I need to know your normal work resumption time.

ochibs1010:
will like you to know that about 40% of the companies on the island have already closed for the year, last week friday, this is just a tip of what January will look like.

PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING!

By Januray, many would have bought the electronic cards and movement would be faster. Also, I expect LCC agents to have more lower denominations to use as change or for them to reduce the prices so that the fees at round figures N50, 100 and 150, that way change could be better.

From the amount of vehicles in that pix, one can deduce the load that that stretch of road is subjected to daily. In no time that infrastructure would collapse if its maintenance is left to the works ministry alone. We can see what has happened to Sagamu-Ore road after removal of tolling.

ochibs1010:
the hold up have been mad this morning, it took me 3 hours to get to office just within the lekki axis and i am already tired when i have not started my days job.

i have been trying to upload pixs but its telling me it cant do more than 200kb.

Giving the time of your post, 8:48am, and that you spent 3 hours getting to the office, does that imply that you left your house at 5:30am to go to your office within the Lekki axis? 
Is this your normal practice?

Caliente:
[size=13pt] @Ola
The percentage of rich as you put it naija big boy living in Lekki is infinitesimal compared to the middle, low class and poor people in the same area. People just conclude lekki houses only the rich forgetting the poor masses there.[/size]

The tolling is for vehicles, it is not right to use the same analogy for a rich man as you use for a poor man!
Yes, there are poor people living in that axis, the question is, do these poor people drive cars or are they using public transport? Once you can identify the demography for the poor, then analyze what they would do or can do, then you can decide if this tolling would affect them maximally or not.

BTW, you are also making the same assumptions, as you are assuming that the toll would affect the poor as the rich. If there are more poor people then it is not an issue as there are BRT buses serving the route.

As an example, the congestion tax in central London has not been noticed by most people, as they simply use the bus or the tube, which is the public transport. But should you decide to take a taxi ride to central London as a poor man, acting out as a rich man, then you need to pay that tax, whether you can afford 3 square meals a day or not.

psalmizt:
Comments attached:
I personally think we are nearing the tipping point. The truth is that FASHOLA has lost it, the goodwill he was enjoying has expired. All we are beginning to see is a policy somersault . The question remains, is Lekki/Epe Expressway the only road this administration was involved in? Howcome only this one is being tolled? What happens to the billions in tax that they collect? Now I hear they have even modified their tax laws so that ppl will pay even more tax, DOn't be surprised when businesses start relocating out of Lagos,

And you readily assume that those villagers along the Lekki-Epe expressway whose lands have suddenly gone up in value because of that same roads would align with you against him? Or that the people living in Agege who dream of such roads would not want to benefit, or those going to Sango-Ota daily and use Oshodi & Ikeja and see how both places have been transformed would align with you?

Get off the high horse and start knowing that the Lekki residents are an important stakeholder in Lagos politics, but they are not the overwhelming majority in the state.

rati ken:
Akainzo, Akanbi edu, Otokx, Coogar, Its either its same person with multiple identity or you were handsomely paid to take these positions. I baffle at your desperate attempts to negate common sense. My questions are simple
1) Is this the only road constructed under the Fashola administration? If no, why single this one out for tolling? (To the best of my knowledge, the road from Orile through festac is a four lane toll-free road and is much more expensive than the uncompleted road in question)

Sure it is not the only road built by LASG, however the govt has decided to toll this particular road. Note that that Orile to Badagry road would soon attract a toll once it is finished.

rati ken:
2) If your arguements holds, then governor Chime of Enugu and governor akpabio of akwaibom states should have a minimum of 15 toll gates on the state roads, why is this one different?

Hmmmm how many vehicles ply those roads in Enugu or Uyo daily? What is the stress placed on those roads daily? How much is required to ensure such roads in Enugu or Uyo remain motorable? When you analyze the answers, you would see why the same rules might not apply to those states.

rati ken:
If this tolling ever succeeds, then Nigerians are in for a big rip-off , cos many more are going to spring up in few months across the country.

Point of correction, tolling has always been present in Nigeria! Are you very young kid or is it that you never traveled around this country prior to 2004? FYI, a journey from Lagos to Benin would ensure that you pay toll at 5 different places back in those days.

rati ken:
To think that this is coming up in a country where nothing works, absolutely nothing. Ranging from electricity to security, from education to infrastructure, from health to transport; corruption is our watch word. Pls someone should remind me of one thing that works in this country. Now you've constructed a substandard road (still under construction) with the people's taxes and FG allocation in the name of concession on their behalf to your own company and enslave them for 30 years as suggested by your greedy minds.

Maybe, just why everything is collapsing is because we have gotten used to everything being free, or promise of it being free. An example, what was the state of the Sagamu-Ore road while tolling was on, and what is its state now since tolling was abolished?

rati ken:
Now mark my words, your comments shows how distant you are from the Nigerian (lagos) masses. A lot of people have said Nigerians dont have the nerve to sustain a protest and all that, pls be sure that the frustration is seriously building up. People are realising that their options are becoming very limited, nobody believed a Boko Haram that has given us sleepless nights can ever crop up, now its here to stay. Boko Haram alone is responsible for >900billion naira 2012 budget allocation. With acts like these expect more, violence pays more these days.

It is so easy to assume that since I am not railing against it, I must not be living in Lagos or close to Lagos. As as aside, I am a full born, native/indigene of Lagos. I have family in Epe and the toll directly impacts my real estate investments, but that doesn't diminish my abilities to take decisions that would pay off in the future. Scrapping the toll now, would be a short-term gain, but long term, would not be beneficial to anyone.

rati ken:
WHEN THE CHIPS ARE DOWN, EVERYONE INCLUDING THE MASTERMINDS SHALL KNOW THAT THEY ARE NO GODS. Never underestimate anyone, much more a people under distress. The Timing is soon, really soon

When the chips are down, we would all rise up in arms against perceived rich people, guess where they live? VGC, Lekki Phase 1, and all those other estates.
And mark my words, when the revolution starts, the toll plazas would not be destroyed, it would be barricaded by the boys to get at the big men!

lukkie:
Thank you. The day i saw that my boss pays more than 30% of his salary as tax to Lagos state govt, i was dumbfounded. And he told me some people pay even higher than that.

In Lagos even if u sell pure water, you have to pay the Local Govt. I guess all that money is not enough for Fashola who wants to practically sell Lagos in this 2nd term of his.

Your boss pays a maximum of 20% as PAYE tax in Lagos, so saying he pays more than 30% in incorrect, it is the same tax law across Lagos State you know. Rivers State currently charges 25%, which is the highest in the country.
However, your boss, depending on what properties owns and place that he resides would pay other taxes which are not reflected in his payslip, but are duly paid to local government and other government agencies. It is the norm all over the world, if you don't like taxes, try the option of remaining poor.

Rad1cal:
Now where is Akainzo the bloody, shameless, and forked tongued liar . Please come and disprove the glaring facts placed before you . maybe Jarus and others are lying  or the picture being provided is also fake .

Indeed, tolling has reduced traffic to 30 mins.

Hypocrites.

I aint gone nowhere other than attend to other matters of importance, sitting in front of a computer typing away aint my regular job you know.

lukkie:
The main reason being that cars are charged N120 and SUVs N150. And you know we don't use coins here, meaning that the tolls are manually operated. I heard people were intentionally giving them N1000 notes. Then they'd start scratching their heads for change. LOL

From the post above, posted by the same person that placed the pictures, the motorists are the ones responsible for the traffic. When people decided to protest, and didn't prepare for what could happen if the protest doesn't change things, you get such situations.

Note that there are electronic cards that should have made passing through the gates smoother, but trust those people they decided to come to teh toll gates with 1000 naira notes to pay a toll of 150.

When your mates are sitting comfortably in lounges having checked-in online, b;lame yourself for not using the technologies at your disposal.

Also, like it has been rightly noted, without the toll collection, that journey was a breeze. So what are you referring to as forked tongue? As noted, you lacked power of critical reasoning and probably does not know the difference between cause and effect.

Rad1cal:
And this is your intelligent attempt to obfuscate the lie peddled rampantly here that those erected tolls have reduced the traffic situation from an average of 3 hours to 30 mins .

So it means the ACN led government is a fraud .

Imagine a supposed intelligent SAN in Fashola justifying it on TV that it's the first technologically constructed toll in the country . is that the bone of contention ?

So it's all about the technology involved and not the economic burden it would cause.

Obviously you missed that part that said "Let me humour you a little" or even this one "even with your unsubstantiated story of that you spent 2 hours on that road today"! What both means is that your claims are patently false, nothing more and thus I need not obfuscate anything.

When I humoured you, I asked you think think about a converse theorem going with your thinking. So the ACN govt is a fraud cos I a citizen of Lagos State chose to debate with you the merits or otherwise of a toll plaza on Lekki road?  

Kobojunkie:
^^ I think it is unwise for people, like you, to comment on issues they are obviously ill-informed of. Lekki residents pay a bulk of the taxes that come in to the State as a whole. These people pay taxes and so have a right to demand better respect from their Government.

Instead of trying to creates ills, we ought to be copying the good and learning from the mistakes committed in other parts of the world that have already gone through things such as these. It just seems what we prefer to do is pretend it is ALL NEW when we do it and do it crudest way possible.

Which part of your being thought of that part ion bold before you typed it out Don't come sharing beer parlour gossips in here.
You'd be amazed at how much Alaba International market traders contribute to Lagos, or do you think the numerous factories/companies/warehouses scattered all over Lagos have their owners in Lekki?
Quit dreaming and ascribing too much self importance to a select set of people. And how are any well informed than others on this thread?

Kobojunkie:
^^ I think it is unwise for people, like you, to comment on issues they are obviously ill-informed of. Lekki residents pay a bulk of the taxes that come in to the State as a whole. These people pay taxes and so have a right to demand better respect from their Government.

Instead of trying to creates ills, we ought to be copying the good and learning from the mistakes committed in other parts of the world that have already gone through things such as these. It just seems what we prefer to do is pretend it is ALL NEW when we do it and do it crudest way possible.

Which part of your being thought of that part ion bold before you typed it out Don't come sharing beer parlour gossips in here.
You'd be amazed at how much Alaba International market traders contribute to Lagos, or do you think the numerous factories/companies/warehouses scattered all over Lagos have their owners in Lekki?
Quit dreaming and ascribing too much self importance to a select set of people. And how are you any well informed than others on this thread?

Rad1cal:
Traffic has being reduced to 30 minutes indeed according to Akainzo .

how many hours was spent on that road today which is even sunday, and what would happen tomorrow when commuters embark on the monday morning rush .

We should quit lying, it does not bog well for us

Hmmm, let me humour you a little, and go even with your unsubstantiated story of that you spent 2 hours on that road today. Now can you imagine how long you would have spent on it if the upgrade/ or expansion was not done? And now imagine how it would be on a Monday morning rush without the expansion, that would tell you something.  

hixxx1:
Tinubu! Tinubu! Tinubu! This is a big mess up on your part. After Abacha dismantled all toll gate, you, a so called democrat want to inflict one on lagosians. Better have a re=think, foooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllll.

Ignoramus, which toll gates did Abacha dismantle? Was it not OBJ that brought down the toll gates as an excuse to increase fuel costs, is the FGN of not planning on re-instating the toll gates after seeing that it cannot maintain any of the roads without collection of tolls?

[quote author=OK_2_NV link=topic=827167.msg9790346#msg9790346 date=1324217932]T]his is were the Yoruba's are now; No federal presence or relevance and are generally viewed as arrogant and cowardly by the rest of Nigerians  all thanks to the  ACN hypocrites and those dumb enough to support them. Tinibu is nothing more than an agbero. He has turned Lagos to his personal empire.[/quote]For your information, Tinubu is not in charge in Borno, there are good roads in Maiduguri, and there are no tolled gates there as well. When are you moving there just to escape this Tinubuphobia? In case, that place is too far, do exercise your right to live anywhere and move to your village, at least there, tax would be 5%.

Kobojunkie:
capital [size=14pt]YES[/size]. they are not thin one lane roads that are unable to handle rushhour traffic.

PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELF!!! GOOGLE IS THERE TO HELP!

You say a capital YES So there are two roads in Germany of the same quality as the Autobahn?? You must definitely be on drugs.

Since you love Google so much, search it and bring out the qualities of the Autobahn and show the qualities of the alternative to prove they are of the same quality.

Kobojunkie:
WOW. . .  he accuses me of being bereft of critical reasoning, yet he spews the gobble-de-gook above. WOW!!! What the heck has efficiency of the cars to do with this? And why does he have to dispose of the cars? So people like you do not go around thinking him rich? WOW!!!

I may have made a mistake assuming I would get some good debate out of you but I am disappointed  . . . such WEAK comebacks . . .  I think I am done . NEXT!!

I. infact have made the mistake believing you have the capabilities for an intelligent discourse.
Let me explain what seems over your head.
1st, a 1980s car would gulp more fuel than a 2004 vehicle which is more fuel efficeient, this translates to more cost per km driven for the 1980s car.
2nd, the 1980s car would require an oil chnage every month due to wear and tear, while the 2004 model would survive on an oil chnage every 3 months. Again more caost to the 1980s car owner.
3rd, the cost of spares for the 1980s car is higher since they are not readily available in the market, again more costs to him.

Now tell me how one that is poor can maintain such a vehcile, and would prefer it to just going by public transport. You indeed lack critical reasoning abilities.

Kobojunkie:
Actually, it is measurable.Yes, there are those whose numbers I would trust more than the words of a pedestrian posting on a forum. Imagine you telling me that your assumptions are more factual than those of others. Really? Really? ROFL

Now tell me whose measurement you would believe, and that measurement is called AVERAGE. Damn, I still need to repeat myself just for you to understand what AVERAGE is.
Since you do not know who I am, how do you know if I ply that road, how do you kow if I live there, how do you even know if i am a native there?

Kobojunkie:
Again, public transport around the world is NEVER really specifically designed just for the poor. However, that you would deem it a POOR thing . . . i.e suggesting the POOR should ride the bus, speaks volumes of how you think of the less privilegded in society.

It is designed for who? The rich, the affluent or the middle class? That rich people can take adavantage of it doesn't mean it was not designed to ameliorate some specific set of people. Oh ok, it is the sidewalk that is specifically designed for the poor, abi?  

Kobojunkie:
I see the BLACKS SHOULD RIDE THE BUS analogy went over your head too. Oh well!

Nope. I just pointed it out to you that is a wong analogy.  All races have poor people. It is however instructive that your analogy for poor refers to blacks.

Kobojunkie:
The number of cars a person has, has NOTHING to do with how poor or rich they really are. There are so many poor people out there who live in their cars. There are poor families who own cars. Please EDUCATE yourself. You have google as a tool for this.

Yes, poor people live in cars. But those living in their cars would not decide to drive across a toll plaza everyday if they do live in their cars. Where do you get this your fake-ass improperly thought of analogies from?
And their is a difference between a family living in their car and a poor family owning 2 cars. if you can't see the difference, I give up on you.

Kobojunkie:
I am sorry please make certain YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH next time.[size=14pt] The Autobahn has ALTERNATIVE routes.[/size]  Stop making stuff up!![img]http://www.gettingaroundgermany.info/g_imgs/z467.gif[/img]

And that alternative, is it of the same quality as the autobahn, that, was the question? Seeing as you were denigrating the proposed alternative and saying it should measure up to the main one. Do you get muddled up as you progress in a discourse?

Kobojunkie:
NEWSFLASH: Your poverty ranking(lol) has nothing to do with your mode of transportation. Yes, poor people can have 2 cars, even right there in Nigeria. There are people who live in their cars. Are they LESS poor because they own a vehicle or two?

You must definitely be on something that affects your reasoning, so the mode of transport one chooses does not reflect their poverty ranking?   Where are you from, Mars?? Do you expect a poor man to drive a Hummer? Oh you expect him to live in his Ferrari. No they are not less poor because they own a vehicle or two, they are more poor because they own cars and vcan afford to maintain them.

Kobojunkie:
I mean why do you keep coming up with these bull*** responses by the way??  Use your head for pete's sake. If a man owns and maintains 2 , let's assume 1980's cars, probably gotten from his folks or something, does that then mean the man is not poor?? Even responding to this is getting me upset. What sick logic is this you are trying to shove at me this early morning?

You are bereft of critical reasoning on this matter. If a man owns 2 1980's vehicle, you would assiume those vehicles are super fuel efficeint, they require less to maintain and their parts are extremely easy to come by in nigeria. You should be using your head instead of blowing your mouth.
And when a man inherits a 1980s vehicle, he should know when to dispose them to help his economic situation rather than increase his poverty level.

Kobo, I am actualy trying to get you to use your brain to think critically, do not hamper your faculties with sentiments and rass thinking.

Kobojunkie:
a) Who asked you for measurement of any kind? Just making sure we all get our facts right and point out the assumptions made. As you can see, not everyone thinks your assumptions there, were even correct.

You were the one that asked for the measurements, read your own posts to understand or were you just blowing without understanding?

And I have already shown, the other assumptions were not correct either as no-one has an absolute measurement. However, no one has disputed the traffic jam that used to be there and the ease of movement that is now in place. If the two scenarios would give you the same travel time in your warped mind, then so be it. You are allowed to be deluded.

Kobojunkie:
Again with this, the poor should ride the bus gobble. What next? BLACK people should ride buses? What the heck is this?
And yes, it has a lot to do with subsidy removal because that is another INCONSIDERABLE policy there . . . that is likely to hurt the POOR too!!! Yes, some blathworth out there also suggested that the poor ought not to drive in that case as well because cars are ?  So, a poor man, who has been driving his peugeot with no problem, should now be FORCED into riding the bus because he is poor? WOWW . . . .
supposed to be just for the rich.

You are indeed one that blows for teh sake of blowing. Public transport is rovided everywhere in the world to ensure that poor people can move around, go to work, go for leisure and do other things. And for your information, we are black in Nigeria, so you need not bring your racial inuendos into it while discussing Nigeria.

Ok, since you live in the so called advance country of US, how many people classified as poor have cars?
He is not forced to abandon his peugeot and ride buses, it is his prerogative to make an economic decision if riding a car and paying toll rather than going by public transport is economically beneficial to hima nd his family. He would take the decision that suites his pocket.

The One:
When you people want to justify things like this, you are quick to reference other countries. when citizens demand services from govt, that's when u remember we are not like them. Hypocites!

Except that you demand for those same services by pointing out that those services are available in those same countries you reference.  Hypocrisy is a 2-edged sword my friend.

The One:
In essence you are saying I should not expect anything back for my tax. If you know anything I enjoy for all that tax, pls point it out to me

Except you tell me that in the entire state of Lagos, the only road you ply is the one that is tolled! Otherwise what do you think provided all the other roads, what provided the security you enjoy, what provided the environment that ensured business thrive in Lagos that enabled you to have earn over 40 million this year alone (based on your payment of 8 million tax using the Lagos 20% tax rate )

The One:
I ask again.

I personally have paid more than 8 million naira in taxes thisyear. My question is, will Fashola alllow me claim my toll expenses as tax rebate? If not, what exactly is the use of all that tax?

Forget all the shenanigans and rigmaroling discussions, this is the funamental question people are asking. Does my huge tax not qualify me for amenities? If the govt feel they cannot do it and outsource it, is it not then morally right that I also withold some of my taxes to cover for this?

This is the fundamental issue

The One, refresh and look up, I have answered your question.

The One:
Forget all the shenanigans and rigmaroling discussions, this is the funamental question people are asking. Does my huge tax not qualify me for amenities? If the govt feel they cannot do it and outsource it, is it not then morally right that I also withold some of my taxes to cover for this?

This is the fundamental issue

The One, are you therefore implying that in all those countries where they pay toll to use roads: US, Germany, UK, austria, Spain, France, Ghana, etc (in fact all countries), does it mean that citizens DO NOT PAY TAX in such countries?

Paying of tax is fundamental to run governemnt, just like paying of toll in fundamental to ensure the rehabilitation & maintenance of some strategic roads.

jarkbauer:
very good but consider a friend who got a land in Epe and was able to erect a BQ but works in MArina when all the 3 tolls are fully functional ,my guy will be paying 900naira per day and 4500 per week abt 20k per month and with fuel increase?

Things are not in isolation my friend. How much is a plot of land in Epe, and how come your friend would decide to live in Epe while working in Marina?
Yep, your calculation is correct, even without the toll your friend is making a very wrong decision, as he has to drive for such a long time just for the sake of living in his own house. If you work in Lagos but decide to stay in Abuja because of good roads, do not complain about airfare and airport taxes.
Your friend is just a bad in economics.   Or better still, let him consider the ferry as an alternative.

Kobojunkie: Do we really need to tell these lies for pete's sake? And what has two cars to do with this?

And the question you asked @Kinikini, is that really what you ought to be asking? Why are you not asking your Government how come the taxes collected from the Lekki area, was not enough to handle the renovation work and why it did not reveal this and more to the people??

You do not know what having 2 cars has to do with a definition of a poor family?? Are you really serious?

Any family that has 2 cars definitely aint a poor family, or do poor people in US have 2 cars? Do not allow sentiments to affect your sense of reasoning.

Hmmm Londoners should be asking their govt why the taxes paid is not enough and why they have to pay additional tolls just to drive within central London.