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You can just imagine!!! If brothers,sisters,father,mothers,aunt and uncle's can do these to their relations, how much more a friend or someone
that is not related to you in anyways
People needs money man!!! Even when you are around, even when you are paying your bricklayer for job done, they still steal your cement.
Iron benders too will steal your iron, carpenters your nails and woods.

Like a site I around my area, the owner ask the Engineer to monitor everything for him, while he was resting at home!!!
He asked the Engineer to buy him 5 tippers of 10ton sharp sand. The Engineer bought just 3 and devided it into 5(with the tipper)
So everything looks like 5trip!!!!

For me, trust is something we don't want to get too involve in!
I can't even trust myself with certain things how much more
other people!!!!

^^^ LoL
Once Bitten 1000 and 1 times shy!!!!
Who no go, no know!!!!
Comon sand you ask your suppliers to supply you
you need to keep an eagle eye on him/them
otherwise, you get half what you paying for!!!
Peace!!!

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Confirma Man!!
Peace!!!

caseymoney:
Please, let's get back to the previous thread. I hate redundancy. What spyder and some of you are doing on NL is absolute redundancy in the computer world. Let's stick to one thread because it will help a lot new to the thread understand how we all started and also make NL clean. I love the diversity in the original thread and will continue to post on that thread.If your still interested, we are now on page 101,

Thirded!!!!
In fact Fifth-ed!!!

spyder880:
This one shocked me! You mean you can even trust anyone, after saying that the only thing you can trust is nothing? Can you please explain the contradiction?

Bros I mean, I still have to trust(in a way). But not fully!!!!
Again, I don't mean people should trust you with their business
I'm only trying to say, it best if they are very around!!!
Peace!!!

gtrust:
Nigeria is very complex!
If you want to build a house in Nigeria I suppose the best
way out is to make out time a do some personal project management.

Get the professionals and close mark them.
If you are 'using' your siblings, be aware they may be more expensive
in the long run if you do not agree on salary!
Get details like how much you will pay them per day/month.
What exactly do you want them to do (job description) and agree where the
money for bike/food etc will come from ?salary or project/materials money
and be generous in salary negotiation example 'employ' them for 6 months
eventhough your project is just 4months!
If you are asking them to supervise your site/project it means they are unemployed
or under-employed. If your brother works with Shell will you ask him to supervise your project?

There is no free medical insurance, unemployment allowance and social housing etc
in Nigeria and I genuinely wonder how poor Nigerians survive to be honest.
Last time I visited, I really appreciated the presence of God!

Some people have not had a meal since 1971.

Bros you said it all!!!!

brabus:
I HATE people who can't trust themselves or other people with passion. DIY as if that will stop shits from happening.

There is no need to start hating yet bros.
No hate anybody now atleast!!! Its once beaten 5k times shy
Remember them no dey catch fool from a wise man twice(on a particular thing)

What I'm saying in essence is that, there should be a limit to how we trust people
if I must give anyone a huge some of money to do some certain things for me
I need to have an eye on the person.

Now take for instance the guy complaining of the 6m
what if that was supposed to be all the money he did ever make in abroad
Can you defend all your statement and refund his money to him? of course not!!!


When I'm not around, I can trust some people with certain things. And even with those
thing no matter how small, I put an eye on them.
Things like construction have got no paticular amount.
There is a 3bedroom home roofed in my neighborhood. The woman building it
gave her husband 700k to give to the carpenters and supervise the work
The man just gave all the money to the carpenters. without supervising anything
till date nobody is living in the house yet. because of the work done.
because the carpenter bought pieces of aluminum and useless wood for the job.
I mean if people can do such things to people around them, how much more
people so far away!!!!
I have list of endless stories of people who have suffered from such fate!!!
Is it the story guy that the house was built but not in his name?
or the one that they jaxed when he came back?
Or the ones that were killed?
Or the once that have spend millions with little work done?
DIY reduces it far far!!!! Even bible defy us from trusting our fellow man!!!
Man will always disappoint!!

[i]Again what is there to loose if you keep your money till when he have a chance to comes around?[/i]
Why take so much risk when you can 100% avoid it? It's a norm in naija. Sorry to say, I trust only one thing, and its name is nothing!!!
And like I said earlier the best things of life are free to all - Water, Air, Sunlight etc. . . .

spyder880:
AM ALONE said


Bros, just keep your money!!!
Anytime you come to Nigeria
come and build!!!! Don't trust anybody my friend
even if they give u a quotation of 50k
they will still eat the money without doing anything!!!!
For the above quotation

30ton of granite
Labour 80k
3tipper load of 10ton sharp sand(will still have little remaining)
132bags of cement is okay!!!(will give you a standar/solid house)
But the problem is if they will use that much. They may use 40bags gon self.
Bros keep your money!!!! that is all I can say!!!!

@ all this is not my full statement. A guy was obviously duped by if family for
close to 6m. The first 3m he gave them to start is 4flat of 3bedroom was consumed(his brothers).
Even the land before he bought it he asked them if it was a solid soil and they said yes!!!!
but after he paid, he said story changed from solid to swampy.
So now he said the property has been left abandoned after he sent a friend of his to go and
check the site on his behalf all the way from Togo(he took care of the expenses). The friend
sent him pictures and video of work don @ the site. Which was done when he paid a second 3m
to his sister. This was as old as 2005. They gave him a quotation for the german floor
80ton of granite
8tippers of sand
132 bags of cement
and workmanship 200k

So the above was my reply directed to the guy. That was why I said even if they give him
a quotation of 50k, they are most like to eat up the money!!!! So he shouldn't be encourage
by and cheap stuffs from them.
So not like the advice quoted is for everybody. But I still stick with "TRUST NO ONE"

In all when I say don't trust people.
I mean try to take precautions.
Even professionals can still dupe you
Like Olubuffet stated

What about inferior building materials?
Even the most honest people in naija
can still dupe you. They can buy a stone
for 10 and tell you 20. Or give you a quotation for
gold and end us using copper. Like I always say
once the plastering is completed you can never
tell what was used for your house.


To play save, I will advice people abroad to save their money
in one of our solid banks around Nigeria(we have hsbc)
or first bank and watch the bank. Anytime you are opportune
to come around, come and buy your land and start your constructions.
Peace!!!

spyder880:
In every venture, people lose money, every sector sef, bad eggs are everywhere, and I will tell you the truth, 6m may not fill some waterlogged sites, the guy didn't tell us if his land was 1 hectare, or if the water was 6 foot high!

Spyder remember the guy mentioned that the land was a plot and was around Ikotun.
Again if you notice very well, he also mentioned that the first 3m sank into the soil so
as a result there was absolutely nothing to show for it.

To the best of my knowledge there are 100% chances that the first 3m was used by his
brother(s)to satisfy their own need. I am not saying a foundation cannot gulp 6m o.
But ifs very simple. They mentioned swampy and not sloppy. Even if its both combine.
Atleast the water wont have washed the first 3m away. . . .

Those things you mentioned there have got nothing to do with your trust!!!
following somebody to the bush does not mean you trust them
buying food from your local food vendor does not mean you trust them either
but giving something to somebody or money to somebody and having faith
that the person will do what you ask of them with the money is trust.
You can give someone money and still do not trust them
maybe cos you have no other choice. But you take caution
like having someone to put an eye on them or signing an agreement with them
just to secure your own side(because you don't trust them).

But without taking any caution and giving people things or having hope in people
is like trusting(for the agent thing u fit don't tell your wife were you dey go. or
somebody else or u go with somebody. for the food vendor, u don see ppl eat the
food. that is your caution. no go go just go anywhere see food buy and begin eat - lol).
You may buy a million bag of cement and still not trust the seller!!!
and am very sure you won't follow just 'anyone' that call himself an agent to the bush
if u still won continue abeg open a new thread make we talk that one there
but make we leave brabus own for am - lol

and for the fuel buyers, that is why them go like pay ur after 2 to 3weeks.
make we leave matter for matter hand!!!!

Gud Job Brabus!!!!

spyder880:
That's good advice, everyone that needs oil and gas services will then stop paying you and will need to come with Ghana must go bags and scoop their supplies From NNPC and then drive out their tankers because some independent oil and gas dealers have been known to divert oil and some even chop their clients money!, how do you like this style of business?

Bros even when you get client wey u won supplier say diesel
you go supply them @ your own cost/expenses before pay
Hopefully maybe you go get your pay the next 2 or 3 weeks time(depending on the quantity sha).
Nobody go give you money make u go bring diesel because him
dey fear say you fit get at large

brabus:
Sounds like best of advice but very unpatrotic. What you are saying in other words is that Nigerians including yourself are dubious and that he should trust only himself. We should not preclude the option that his relatives, sister and friends might be inexperienced in the trade and are just wasting money on the site. They may not be dubious as we may think.

Mistakes are the usual bridge between inexperience and wisdom. Will his coming down to Nigeria replace Professionalism?

My client had no idea what my colour is, where I live, not even my background and I've received and paid N10m on his behalf without any fear - all within 1 MONTH!!!

SO Listern, I don learn lots of things for this life and one of them na to trust nobody
NOBODY i repeat NOBODY fit take me back!!! Make i no start with u abeg!!!!
I don give the guy the best advice. If you want make him give you business, say so(contact am)
na today we dey hear that one like who no want money or person wey won dupe you go
tell you say him won dupe u  

Now you won support them or na me no understand u well. you dey indirectly dey say make him put the house for your hand or wetin?
Abi u no read wetin him talk? First 3m enta sand. And nothing nothing dey the site!!!! No matter how person dey ignorant
about building/construction. no way him go spend 3m and not even a tipper of sand to show for it.
The second case na him sister. with 3m all inside the foundation. I no fit talk anything about that because them
say the land dey swampy. But then the only thing wey go fit chop that money go be raft foundation.
of which him friend for notice and tell am or atleast him go see am for him self for the video

THE BEST THINGS OF LIFE ARE FREE TO ALL. its up to him!!!! The best advice is for you to keep your money!!! It is very obvious. LoL people wey dey nigeria self them dey dupe them! con be person wey dey jan - lol!!!

Again i no call anybody dubious, i just won say trust nobody!!!! Even me gon, no trust moi!!!
no trust anybody wey u no fit see him brian
Though for naija there are few good ppl sha o!!!  but they are all dead!!!!
Back to the topic
I rest my cast!!!!

Rastaman20
I post some few pictures for page 98
check
peace ooo

euromilion:
@brabus,
well done oo,abeg I mean to derail your thread oo.

pls I got a quotation which I NEED advice on, I NEED to do it stage by stage, first german floor

German floor

60 tons of granite stone
8 tipper load of sharp sand
132 bags of cement
labour=#200,000

this quotation is given to me since 2005 after spending over 6million on foundation and filling,I got pissed off and every thing was put to a stop,but now am inspired by you guys now to start again,the plot is in lagos ikotun area.the plan is 4 flat of 3 bedrooms and 2 bedrooms.

suppliers and builders are all welcome to give their prices.cheers
I THINK the labour is a bit xpensive

Bros, just keep your money!!!
Anytime you come to Nigeria
come and build!!!! Don't trust anybody my friend
even if they give u a quotation of 50k
they will still eat the money without doing anything!!!!
For the above quotation

30ton of granite
Labour 80k
3tipper load of 10ton sharp sand(will still have little remaining)
132bags of cement is okay!!!(will give you a standar/solid house)
But the problem is if they will use that much. They may use 40bags gon self.
Bros keep your money!!!! that is all I can say!!!!

He's educated and needs a job. All he asked for was a piece of
advice not insults(na person wey never go through hardship
nai go criticize that one)!!!! Everybody have a right to dream.
He never mentioned anywhere that he want to build without a job/income

If my dream is to become an American citizen
you don't criticize me because I don't have an American Visa yet
Make we learn to threat our fellow human as our brothers
and for once try to imagine ourselves in their shoes!!!
Peace!!

I think this is very nice!!!!
But seriously, if we are looking it the other way,
I dont think this is going to be save!!!
Remember in Nigeria, one of our biggest problem is
security!!! Even with block house, we still have
burglary windows. as if that is not enough, now people are using
security/bullet proof doors just because of our harsh Oga's.

Its very okay sha. but thief go use people do yeye oohh!!!
But the good go sha pass the bad sure!!!!

What I can add to this development is that
We sure will need a quality fire fighters anywhere we have lots of these houses
and of course a security post!!
Peace o

spyder880:
The 150k is only for this roofing o! The nuggings are different, they will be done at the ceiling stage. The aluminum company will do the fixing, the installation is already part of the cost in the quotation I have been showing earlier. Its a big house sha.

hmmm okay!!!!
tanz 4d pics
Peace!!!

Confirm na!!

caseymoney:
You don't have to tell me who your father was. All you need to tell Colin Adua is you inherit your wealth and yet working hard to sustain. I also grew up in that same Olodi Apapa. Our family house and street is still there. My Maternal Grandfather's street is Alhaji Adebola Street and our family house not far from God dey Cinema off Idewu street. We have properties all over Tin-Can area (Olodi Apapa axis). Make you no come do us shakara here ( Just kidding!!!). I didnt inherit any wealth but got the best legacy a parent could give his offspring. "Education". Precisely, with your response and detailed explanation, Colin Adua would have a rethink if he's trying to do something silly to acquire wealth overnight.

Bros, I no ever mention anything about myself until u won know!!! lol
I don give Colin Adua my advice which is PRAYERS!!!
So no big deal!!!!!
Ha!! I hear u say GOD DEY?
Oboi, we rock that place!!!!!

Spyder please I want to ask if the 150k you agreed with the carpenter
include the work for the noggings?
and also, does it includes the fixing of the aluminum roof?
Peace!!

^^^God one spydo!!!

You Guys Are Doing A Great Job!!!
Keep It Up U&SPYDER

spyder880:
expense update will follow soon my man.

I C quality!!!!

Sir How Much So Far??

Bros spyder
You no go understand why i dey cry!!!!
see all those woods wey dey ground so
see as them full!!!! fresh and looks very heavy!!!
If na lagos, those one wey dey ground, dem go cut am
to 2 piece for us con sell am two time for us!!!

Nice picture sha!!!
keep 'em coming

spyder880:

Some people have their breads buttered and ready to chop while we had to build our own ovens, till the land to grow wheat, grind it to flour, mix it manually and then bake our poor breads. Well, everyone had bread to chop at the end. That's the most important thing. It shall be well sha.

You only mentioned butter!!!
I've seen some with fried egg and this other
thing they call corned beef!!! lol

caseymoney:
@jerryben12, thanks for your contribution. what do you think about the sanitary wares. Do you think it worth buying it in the states, please advice.
@ Am Alone, thanks for your contribution. Let me know how much the marble would cost and give me the name of the toilet ware you bought so I can insist on that quality. Im not visiting soon, but my wife would and we need the house completed before she arrives. Send the prices privately to my email. I appreciate you.

Bros, abeg I no go fit kill myself for this one one!!
Na the best I fit do be this!!!
The washing hand sink it Topaz!(it has different types. some have 5yrs warrantee and are like 10k or 12k)
The WC all Twyford One is Twyford Envy I bought it for 80k(one of my guy wey i meet for this thread
go price am for Island all around. the best price wey him see am na 120k.)
But i still get some other WC wey i buy 30k(original wc. depending the quality. Some are 18k and 16k and they
are also original).
The Mixer for the Pedestal I bough MMaart product like 5k or more(300 own dey)
Another Mixer for the master bedroom, I bought Noken Product; 15k
For the Mixer for the Kitchen sink, I bough SF product. the highest grade 18k
For the mixer for the bath tub; I bought MMaart - 15k(1800 own dey,3k and so on. Even mine is not the most expensive)
For the towel holder I bought Heritage - forgot price o
For the water heater for bathroom  I bought Ariston - 15k (its 15litre)
And Others Sha!!!

@ Caseymoney!!!  I'm A Looker By Profession
First I Don't See Any Good Reason Why I Will Want To Tell People That I'm This
And I'm That!!! Anybody Can Be Anything especially when all you need do is type it!!!

Before anyone interested in what I do for a living hear it! I will start with the fact that I am from
a wealthy home. Olodi-Apapa(where I Grow Up And Where My Family's House At!). Anybody living
around that area can testify. My family is not only rich, but we are the most famous  
because of my grandfather that work with the government(I never come earth then o!!!) And was given
lots of land as compensation. Even our family compound(very big) was used as a court back where and my granpale the
judge!!!!

The above is not really necessary apart from the fact that it says, there are changes that I did make it  
faster/quickly due to connections. Even if i no work, i go chop and I get lots of rooms wey fit accommodate 20 wives
but na polygamy nai make me dey give them chance ooo/relocate to Ikorodu(I was @ Ikotun before. It was too close to
Olodi-apapa. Bob Come see visiting - lol). Because its the farthest place to that area(visit when my dad ask moi to)!!!!

I do C&F for a living @ tin can port Apapa!!!!(relocated to Ikorodu just mid last year) but the distance to Ikorodu na barrier. Sha I still dey run sh1t!!!!!
And I get two 18600 Litre Tankers(Me and my colleague own 1 And the other one I own alone).
I entered the business Early Last Year With The Company Name; Soprano OiL & Gas Ltd.


To put GOD FIRST na one of the disease wey nobody fit cure me off!!!
That same work, I don do am for two years wey I no get better pay at all
Later later the table turn around!!! That Is Why I Always Say ; No Be Him Wey Dey Work,
But  Na Him Wey THE GOOD LORD SHOW MERCY!!



Oya make orna start dey take pictures na
@least you don get idea where the word 'AM ALONE' came from

caseymoney:
.

It seems nobody here got an idea of my request on my previous post. Anyways, the kitchen picture Am alone posted tells me all. You guys use slab instead of countertops. Could somebody tell me which is cost effective and long lasting i.e countertops or slab? Am Alone, I know you would be getting sanitary wares for your house and floor tiles. Could you give me a price range for good sanitary wares and floor tiles. I'm at the finishing stage and don't want this guy home to rip me off. Precisely, you guys should not ingore my question, I have been a major player in this thread. Thanking y'all in anticipation as I look forward to hearing from you.

Bros, I plan to lay Marble Countertops right on the slab there
Again for my Sanitary wares, have already bought that.
Now to give you their prices will be quite difficult.
Because like you've said. You don't want anyone to rip you off!!!
My sanitary wares were quite expensive. In total I spent 700k(kitchen included).
Now I bought for myself what I think is best for me!!!
Why I won't want to give you their prices is simply because
they all varies! It all depends on what you are buying/paying for!
For example my kitchen sink cost 25k.
Normal once goes for around 5k or 4k and some goes for 9k
There are some others that goes for 40 to 50k
I went for the 25k own because I think am okay with that!
It has a 15years warranty(make we leave that one for them jorray!!! )

So if I say 25k and you give them 25k, they may end up buying 10k own for you.
I think its best you buy it yourself(maybe when you come around).

Colin Adua:
Hello Spdyer, Am Alone, Brabus, et al.

I have been following this thread for some time now. Actuall I saw it and started following it because of my burning passion to build a home.

But, I dont have money so I  want to ask; What do you people do to have money in this dry hopeless country to build all these fine edifices. Please can someone link a brother up.

Am a graduate and applicant having lost my job recently. Actually, when I got the job I wanted to build but all of a sudden I lost the job so I dont know whether I will build the house again cos am poor  again like before.

I have finished drawing the house.

I live in Abuja.

Please who will teach me what to do to make maoney and build my own home like you people.


Cheers!!!

You Need God Bro!!!!
You Need Lots of Prayers
Like I Said, Its Not To Him That Labour
But to him that THE GOOD LORD SHOWETH MERCY!!!
For Me That Is The Biggest Key To Your Success!!!
OLUWA CHAMPION!!!