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M14A1:
How many persons out of 50 do you know that can perform a backflip at a spot??
.......not many i guess.

The kulbit is a full cobra


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2dgi2NhMSw

And how many fights need a back flip? It a trick that shows off the agility not a manouver meant for combat

Henry240:
It's Namibia, not RSA. They also got the HALO gear long before the SASFB. These photos are from 2014, and you only received your gear in August of 2016.

No we got how new HALO gear. I can show pics from the 80s of SASF in HALO gear.

nemesis2u:
in case of large scale dogfighting

if ur pursuing u can still break off to execute a loop in an amount of space barely larger than the airplane (kulbit) and get in a optimal position to take a snap shot with ur WVR missile at a target which was in ur background and who is unaware of the split second maneuver . especially if equipped with HMD coupled with high off bore missile like python 5 u can still get a shot off at the intended target while simultaneously executing kulbit inorder to engage the other one in the background as target of opportunity.

or if ur being pursued u can perform an extremely tight full loop or turn/flip (kulbit), over an opponent chasing from the rear, in order to reverse the combatants' positions and conferred advantages via bleeding off speed and hence forcing the pursuer to overshoot.

opportunities r many on how the kulbit can be exploited standalone or coupled with other maneuvers .

don't see it happening. More likely pulling a turn like will get you dead. I mean it is a role nothing more, you just bled a lot of speed and showed a big target to the enemy. Your goal should be to turn well not bleeding power or speed. That is why the gripen is seen as more agile as it can do turns with out slowing down as much. many of those turns the SU does slow it down fast witch is cool back when pilots could see the whites of the eyes of the guy they where shooting at but even gun fights take place at long rang these days.

nemesis2u:
yeah
but kulbit maneuver is deadly

Why you think that?

nemesis2u:
https://i0.wp.com/su-27flanker.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/CF5.jpg

some maneuvers which can be done by su-30 series aircraft's

other than the cobra a air show trick nothing there is special. Just saying

MikeCZA:
The hostage takers when the STF was created were going to be military trained guerrillas.

May of been there first op but they where created after a hostage situation at the Israeli embassy and there was no police team able to deal with it. In fact the Recces where called up to help. After that the police created there own recce type team.

http://www.jta.org/1975/04/30/archive/lone-gunman-surrenders-to-authorities-in-johannesburg

Henry240:
They were also black Koevoet members? I thought the Koevoet was an all white special police unit?

Nope only the National serves and reserve force units where all white since those units where made up conscripts and only white people where conscripted. There where a lot of blacks in the Recces, Koevoet, Local SWA (Namibia) units, 32 battalion, the only branch that did not have non white solders in a combat role was the air force since all pilots where white. The first non white officer was in the late 80s I think 87 if I am not mistaken. The navy had ships with mixed crews no blacks but mine hunters had whites and coloured and strike crafts had Indian and white. Though since special forces deployed from strike craft and submaries that could mean a Navy ship could of had all races on board. It was all ways strange how the system built to defend racist government was the least racist part of it. I actually suspect that is why there was no civil war. A lot of the military command in the SADF would of delt with 32 battalion, 101 battalion, koevoet, Recces, Navy, extra extra. They would of had far more dealing with non whites than say some hard line racist group who never spoke with one beyond ordering him around like a dog,





There is a Chief petty officer(staff sgt) retiring where I work a black man who has been in the navy sine 1976

AS for koevoet they where 70% black or there about

bidexiii:
both .

considering the creeck terrain.......,?

Not sure about MOPL but STF have access to helicopters, APC, Boats in short any thing any special forces unit has access to they have access to. In the 70s and 80s there was Koevoet a police unit created to deal with heavily armed terrorists I don't see why Nigeria has not created a police unit to deal with theses guys.




Koevoet and yes they cops not miltary
https://66.media.tumblr.com/73110efd4bb15d3bd8e31b249173927d/tumblr_n0i3xecWyD1rcoy9ro1_1280.jpg
https://67.media.tumblr.com/0af45d69ed52d1c0f05fbd6cdad993ea/tumblr_n0i4k2rzJn1rcoy9ro1_1280.jpg

bidexiii:
They are not even well equipped to face Niger delta militancy and they are not trained for such terrain.

STF or MOPOL

Henry240:
Nigeria COIN

Army losses


Nigerian Army Piranha IFV charred in flames after engagements with BHT late 2015

door open so I say high chance most got out alive

patches689:
Last pic

Now that's a riverine patrol craft

nah it is for deeper waters. a nice boat but I prefer the flat bottom boats

o specs based on similar options that look and do the same think from veercraft and KND (the two who have done the most work for these boats) and from what I can see. It has 2 Hamilton water jets and could hit 30 to 40 knts flat bottom and water jets are needed for inland waters.


http://www.veecraft.com/vesselsdetails?id=6293


and the boat being replaced



https://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n582/richardg7/v1.jpg


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e4/6b/d7/e46bd7516fdb3444aa405d397062af5b.jpg

there are a number of boats operated by the SANDF not on any site. Remember sites like Wikipedia are controlled by people not the government. The river patrol boats are based in Durban and just like the Xena boats don't see much serves since they where not built for patrolling our waters both boats are for in the event SA needs to patrol inland waters like we did in Burindie They being purchased under Project Carol that has seen a number of boats join the Navy with out any fan fair or ceremony.

tdayof:
What I was trying to explain is some countries operate various sophisticated SAM and Nigeria still operates a damn Rolland. We are africans do not mean we should not keep up with others on technology. We do not need to start facing threat before we take actions. The rolland Nigeria operates has a low spec. Short Range,low altitude , doesn't use a sophisticated radar system. I am sorry but our Rolland will go down by just rushing some noise at its radar systems. A Mig-29 will also deliver a missile attack on our territory with the Rolland not bringing it down even at range.

Sure but who's Mig-29? No one in your area as a aircraft that is a threat, there are no major air powers close to Nigeria and getting a new SAM system will lead to funds being wasted. Rather get some good Aircraft than a good SAM since the SAM can do one thing and one thing only. I mean by the sounds of things you want one of the High end SAM systems like the patriot. A very costly system, that wont stop low flying targets and are pretty much stationary due to there set up time. You still going to need something along the lines of the Roland.

tdayof:
Some countries operate more than a single SAM type that's what I am trying to say.
Bro you said we don't have a threat but that's because we and our neighbouring countries are village champions.

And what advantage does operating more than one system give Nigeria? Nigeria does not need a high cost SAM system. The Rolland, AA guns and manpads are good enough for any possible threat Nigeria could face. Though are those Rolland's still useable. Missiles do have a use by date

Henry240:
I'm a Nigerian we are football. "What's rugby?".


If i'm only going out to look for what is bad, i'll eventually see it.

A sport played by men that don't roll on the floor at one trip but instead have to be orderd by a doctor that no you have to come off since you have a broken bone.

Henry240:
My main issue is, why dwell on what you'll call bad, when there are a lot, i mean a lot more positives in the video.

We can have a balanced report, and we all have a discussion, then move on.

because I am south African and we complain when we come 3rd place in the rugby world cup

my big issue was that when they camped there where people walking around with out there weapon. Even in the Navy we had that hammerd down our throats. In a AO you never leave your weapon untended ever. hell as long as I have a weapon sighed under my name I never let it leave my side, I sleep with the thing in my sleeping bag (that we kept unzipped so we could get up quick) The camp ground seemed unorganized and in a disarray. Sure when on the move it was good but the camp was a mess

bidexiii:
Oh my God his "over sabii" dey worry you nii or you know watch the video well. Okay let me break it down to you.

- 1st that place his not an operational area or base, it's a place they come to just source of water to do laundry and watch the hardwares. And for heaven sake they where busy with cleaning and laundry when the BHT sneaked behind. So how could you wear ur gear/webbing only few that where securing the perimeter where with gear,webbing and their firearms.

- watch the video there some manning guns /technicals. That's a normal military precaution some will always be on guard and alert and that is why they where able to repel the nursed fuckers.

- personnel walking in flip flop, for heaven sake you av being watching too much of war/action movies. On the real battle ground amidst of the heat on the front troops still must av time to relax, av fun and cool there brain and entire system or else you will av physiological or mental break down. But amidst of these always be on guard and alert.

- the bright orange truck his for the vigilante working hand in hand with our troops, even perfect fly camouflage vehicles get hit in well blended terrain. And that's why in the middle of other military vehicles. Any attempt on one of those military convoys his giving away there positions, BHT is not that dum.....

- too much of movies again, his possible for that number or gathering of soldiers not to make noise. Or even the crank noise made by the military vehicles.

- and please you just showed your level of knowledge on such matters. Am sorry I do not mean to make you feel bad, it takes an experienced army to repel such attack and those soldiers did a very good work by not allowing the enemy to break into there defensive positions. Even developed armies of the world take fall victim of friendly fire, for a large scale offensive in the N.E.

And big UPS for the military camera man capturing such moment, it shows that our army is growing .

are there hostiles that could attack them? then yes it is a operational area.


not all of them


yes sure but at base not camped in the AO

Odunayaw:
Jeez...Are u blind??Does this look like a camp to you ...Did u or did u not hear "in sambisa" in d video?

3. do they empty trenches of water with their fatigues on?


Now tell me..Do u know the difference btwn a camp & a forest

you stay there for any period of time it becomes a camp

http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars



A longish report that is a bit old but explains why Arbas cant fight.

Henry240:
Since i'm not an expert, let's see what the experts have to say. The following are some of the reasons OPV190 would not be suitable for close shore patrols.


*Defence analyst and former Defence Review
committee member Helmoed Romer Heitman

"However, when it comes to the inshore patrol vessels (IPVs),
Heitman is of the opinion that "the three 60 m IPVs now
envisaged as part of Biro are an embarrassing misstep by
the Navy and will be an entirely pointless expenditure,"
because, "at 60 m they will be too large and complex to be
the 'cheap and cheerful' equivalent to the old SDPs, to be
used for close inshore work and more importantly to train
and develop officers and ratings...At 60 m they will be too
small to be really useful (the strike craft were good special
operations platforms, but had the speed and the self-
defence capability these vessels will lack."


Heitman goes on to suggest that the IPV requirement should
be revisited to develop a vessel of somewhere around 30 to
40 m, "


"They are equipped with water jets
instead of propellers, which allow them to operate in very
shallow waters and accelerate, slow down and turn in
unconventional ways."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamina-class_missile_boat

his issue with the boats is that he feels if we are to get a opv and a ipv the ipv should be a simple cheap boat more a Tcraft replacement than strike craft. Personally I think. He did not say 60m OPVs don't work

jakeporeshenko:
So I asked a guy who knows a guy and of course I googled it, I only found this "G cars" and "K cars" designation, based on the helicopters weapon configuration.
Educate me

G gun 12/7mm K kannon 20mm auto cannon

jln115:
I know @Patches689 posted these photos a few days ago, but there's something strange in those photo's I just noticed!!

Now in the first pick you can see SAS Amatola(F145) carrying Exocet Missile tubes(Like they've always done)....now im not claiming to be an expert in ASMs but those tubes on SAS Spioenkop(F147) dont look like the typical exocet tubes ive always seen on our Valours.

They dont have a new ASMs.

nemesis2u:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NijLcFOd9P8

the saudis dont have the motivation to fight at all.

i guess saudis do well in terror orgs like isis al quida etc because of the promised elusive 72 virgins lol , maybe saudi army should do the same , results might be different.

They dont even have a excuse that they ran out of Ammo or where fighting a suppior force. I have never known of a force of a militia to over run mechnized infantry. Many pf the rebels dont even have shoes and cant aim. And then when they withdrew they simply ran away.


Even when Nigerian towns where getting over run by BH Nigerian solders could say we fought a larger force that was better armerd till we ran out of ammo. I rank a nigerian cop above a suadi solder.

jakeporeshenko:
can someone please explain this whole thing to me, why has turkey entered the Syrian town of Jarabulus and are they doing this to combat or support ISIS forces ?

https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jarabulus?src=hash

Because Putin is a great manipulator. He has gotten Turky to join with Iran in fighting groups hostil to Assad. So ISIS is a target bit not a primary target.

patches689:
It would be a clusterfuck trying to organize the random assortment of comms equipment

A better solution would be something like the French-German Brigade that exists.

A standing brigade of mixed nationality and standardized equipment - with nations rotating battalions in and out and a permanent C&C element

I was actualy think of something like this

Henry240:
Doesn't stop them from bolting away from Houthis!

Lol true.

MikeCZA:
It isn't about being Arab.

But poor training, doctrine, SOPs etc.

In CAR we were lucky that we had our well trained units on the ground. When deploying heavier forces or regular units I believe we will need a fire force kind of rapid response unit attached to them along side our version of the USAF para rescue chaps(7 med group).

It is not something new here in Africa to have rebel forces supported by certain countries.

Ambushes will be manned by determined forces under supervision and support of foreign officers.

I am refering to the speciol forces team that flew in from SA. Tgey got there rather fast.

frumentius:
There was an AU seminar of African Defence Chiefs recently in Addis Ababa where the idea of a "Link Africa" was an agenda item. JOps guys working on CNIS, CSIR, Armscor etc were invited to give input on how Link-ZA could be expanded into a continent-wide standard.
Considering it took the EU 2 decades for Link 16 (Never mind how we got hold of Link 11 ), I'm not overly optimistic.

Besides, what's the point when of the 5 regional brigades, only the southern and east African are fully operational.

Then we only do the south and east. All so wont need the entire Africa linked. Focuse on the brigades.


The west brigade is not active but i am sure the task force fighting BH would love a full Data link system.

MikeCZA:
Quick reaction. A capability we Africans need to develop too.

I wonder why they didn't fight back when bullet started flying instead of speeding.

Because they Arab solders.


Sa responed prety fast to the CAR mess.