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africaken254:
the americans bombed hanoi because they knew the strategic importance of that city,if fresh suppliers of weapons,ammo,equipment's were being offloaded from ships in luanda port. isn't that a vital military target !?your also forgetting that back then UNITA was a well funded,equipped rebel than even syria FSA by the C.I.A only in comparison with the mujaheddin in Afghanistan.the real reason was you didn't want to escalate this war ,dragging neighbouring countries in support of the Angolan government

africaken254:
they avoided those locations,the reason the american also snoop on enemy territory with RC-135 is to plot location of its SAM's,most MIG-23 were shot down by manpads .also the south african air force was never able to completely stop the angolans and cubans from launching their jets in angola,against you in Angola and Namibian . you were basically fighting a war that was unwinnable

africaken254:
SA-3 is static ,so you could have easily being provided ,their locations by the C.I.A using satellite photos,UNITA and your recce units operation behind enemy lines

africaken254:
with what ! alpha jets,F-5's,F-7,mig-21 e.t.c if you claimed you had again air superiority over angolan airspace why were you not able to bomb luanda or deny the angloans and cubans from launching their air crafts against south african forces.like america did in gulf war 1 !!!??

africaken254:
obsolete !! i can assure you no sub sahara africa countries has an efficient and effective capability to penetrate an air defence system which consist of soviet era legancy systems e.g SA-2,SA-3 e.t.c mind you this same soviet era legacy SAM systems are now being upgraded by russia,former easten bloc countries

tdayof:
Build? Do you think the government is willing to spend up to $5-10 million on R& and production on a Nigerian product?

tdayof:
so who's patrolling our seas with all those ships there?

Henry240:
Nemesis2u, Patches689, Mikecza and Andrewza are the primary culprits. They seem to always be in the thick of trying to derail this thread, despite the fact there are multiple alternatives to take discussions to do.



Offcourse, discussions on photographs shared in this thread are welcome, however off-topic posts, tribalism/racism(like we saw with the new guy) or cyber-bullying then the mods would be called in.

kikuyu1:
Imo,you Saffies aren't being honest! All countries copy,borrow or "cough!/cough!" steal designs to a certain extent. You own Ratel was an E German design while the Rooivalk has both French and Russian influence. Woo equipment isn't all crap. They're simply following the ways of the West
we don't learn in school textbooks. I'd really like us to take this discussion elsewhere cause we really need to clear up this stubborn Saffie misconception-but not on that other thread! I wouldn't step in there at gunpoint.

giles14:
Oga henry wetin dey happen here so many hidden comments

MikeCZA:
Let's just say they are troublesome.

Maybe in attacking surface targets.

It isn't just the fire control unit(radar, IR sensor etc)

I believe it was the because of funds that the revolver guns which were demonstrated to the SANDF(Their C-RAM capability) were aren't purchased.

MikeCZA:
Wish a naval version(CIWS) of the missile to be developed in the future to replace the problematic Dual purpose guns.

Looks like the defence force isn't satisfied with the performance of the 35mm guns in the C-RAM role. Rheinmetall demonstrated their revolver guns to the defence force prior to the upgrade.

Now that the C-RAM missile looks like to be going ahead. Wonder what will happen to the Stealth Ingwe.

Would have gave SA an opportunity to maintain skills not taught any where but I doubt the lads with the skills(stealth tech) are still around.

chinese8107:
you have been brain washed deeply by the US or western media.

sure you have your own version of SAAB, Rhiemtall, you also have some of your own technology.but can not change the fact mainly rely on the WEST.without US or German MTU engine your fighter cannot fly,submarine cannot dive.

calling China theaft?
even now you have shown no direct evidence but based on some report or media assumption.

I 'v read the al-jazza version of inteligence of the South Africa reactor's story.what media is it? who do they speak for ?

China can help UK build nuclear power plant why she must steal South Africa reactor's technology instead of cooperate ? Then what about your reactor now?still operational ?

China can cancel zimbabwe $40 million debt. why she can not buy some MRAP technology.

do you think USA is the moral model ..any other westen country never source technology from outside country by any means?

Have you heard about the mig-25 story in 1976 flying to Japan ?

understandable.Because SA has aleady choosen to"standing on one side".

Henry240:
The only threat they have come from Botswana, That's it. One more, the FA-50 is a light multi-role fighter jet in the same class as the Gripen, JF-17 and LCA. I don't see how the FA-50 is obsolete or less advanced than it's competitors.

Henry240:
Very good choice for Zambia. Instead of the J-10, Namibia should go for this or the FA-50. Mali, Burkina-Faso, Ivory Coast and Cameroun should also consider the L-15.

chinese8107:
I must not say those article is 100% fake .but still has many flaws.



Zeiss Co is a german company, the fact is many African weapon subsystem contains Western Technology. So if the technology belongs to others.It can be obtained from many other souces or channels including but not nececerily limited to"buy", "leak" or"steal"..

China or any other none western county not nececerily ask or employ some people to steal some technology. some individual or bulglar group may want to illeally get and sell them for money. they can automatically find buyer.

Such is the case that Isreal found a F-16 engine stolen.they could be sold to anywhere any country as long as buyer have money.no matter 2nd hand 3rd hand
http://www.geek.com/news/several-f-16-jet-engines-stolen-in-israel-1531649/feed/

As for MRAP technology .Had China not bought from SA, it could get from elsewhere,like Russia or Ukraine.

In fact the western technology embargo to China is almost failed already.EU is dicussing to lift the arms trade ban. UK aleady leaves the EU. German company MTU is considering to cooprate with China to jointly develop a jet engine for commercial use.

Russia just signed a contract with China to co-develop a Boeing 787 size commercial plane with 35 tons thrust engine to compete with USA and Airbus

A South African firm (MLS, Mobile Land Systems) is selling China eleven MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected) vehicles. But the sale includes the transfer of technology, for a fee. The South Africans insisted on this, and the Chinese went along. The Chinese complied because they knew that the South Africans were aware of the Chinese tendency to just steal such technology

chinese8107:
No supprise

The SA follows the western especially US media and policy.

But even US media is cautious fabricating some news.Anserwer me a simply question,do you think CNN is 100% truth,and can be trusted.

USA Japan and some Western countries always bashing China and Russia on various issues,as if they are moral.But many contries still follow for various reasons.

chinese8107:
Even you know this scenario,sounds like every thing can be “buy one and copy.“ Then why still some people negotiate about TOT ?

Both side ensure the failed bit.

chinese8107:
I guess not that simple, they may want to by TOT but knowning this could be interupt by USA, instead they say buying 1.

China do have similar technology ,this concept was first created by german scientist in1950s.SA has the leading tech in this field.

How or whether the data was stolen by China.I don't know ,but I know the technology is still not mature in China.And SA closed the reactor aleady around 2010.

chinese8107:
rooivalk deal was cancelled many years ago.China wanted to buy but SA refuse.

pebble bed reactor don't know

chinese8107:
Yes,some "sub-standard" knock-offs,is not as good as the original,but far less expensive price. China made knock-offs weapons because of being embargo by US and EU for decades.

China has little to no arms deal with SA. The only deal I know is CS/VP3 is bought TOT from SA.
So you mean steal what technology?

South Africa follow the USA and EU 's embargo agaist China.No supprise on the black list.

tdayof:
Funny thread. South African Chinese...

Truth be told, unless inferior has another meaning I don't know, how are Chinese defence products inferior to SA? Are you trying to say the Chinese produce less quality or export less quality defence hardwares ?
If you mean export, then no big deal but when it comes to homeland use/production, calling the Chinese products inferior is out of it.

Henry240:
Cool, clearing that up. I still do prefer the Mbombe 8x8.

Henry240:
I'm saying it is better. I wasn't referring to what you were saying.


The 57mm is standard for Kazhakstan. Let me rephrase what i meant on the Turret. I'm saying the Mbombe 8x8 can carry a Turret that fires both the 30mm, a Coaxial 7.6mm and an ATGM. All in one module.


Do you need reading glasses? I made no mention of the SANDF. I'm saying the Mbombe is a better vehicle than the Patria.