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agaugust:
Does your army carry bridges everywhere they go on the battle space like it's a backpack portable bridge? You carry bridges on your MRAPs?

I have never seen a photo of SANDF armoured vehicles in Congo or Sudan followed by loads and loads of trucks carrying bridges, your army did not even deploy bridge construction materials and engineers in Congo DRC, you deployed infantry only.

You want the enemy to wait for you to order aircraft lifting bridge building materials from Pretoria to arrive in 3 days? The enemy has already gained tactical battlefield advantage over you and crossed river Congo while SANDF is killed in their stranded and trapped position.

Also can you build bridges across the Atlantic ocean for amphibious landing when your ships are anchored 5 km away from sea shore to avoid enemy mortar and artillery fire? You ever see an army build pontoon bridge that long on an ocean?

My question is how come you crossed the river to the other side with tanks while you were spending and wasting days and days requesting your army HQ to send trucks and trucks and trucks loaded with heavy pieces of bridge construction equipment to be transported over long distance on off road rough terrain while your main army of armoured non-amphibious vehicles remain stranded and trapped at the river side unable to cross, while the enemy pursuing you from behind has caught up with you and demolished SANDF to be buried by Nigerian army at the lake side?

You say how come we are behind you on that side of the river? Okey then we are the ones on the other side of the river waiting for you with T-72 tanks armed with ERA armour and 125mm killer main gun !

Dunce, your foolish argument is claiming that your army is on the two sides of the river, you are building bridge to cross on the left river bank, yet you claim you are on the opposite side on the right river bank waiting with tanks.....fool, only you spread all over the battle space like termites? Where is the enemy position then ?

Stop wasting my time, South Africa has A BIG TACTICAL DEFICIENCY with no amphibious armoured vehicles, stop twisting military doctrinal and tactical facts, I am a trained battlefield simulator, stop arguing blindly with me. Accept free education from Nigeria and learn .

Only the fools of South Africa will build a tactical combat bridge across a huge ocean....nation of fools, no wonder your economy is crumbling.

PHOTOS : AMERICAN MARINES AMPHIBIOUS ARMOURED VEHICLES CROSSING WATERS IN 2014

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My God you a idiot.

The battlion carries a bridge if it needs one.

Have they ever needed to cross a unbridged river? Incorrect 1 company of army engineers is DRC this is in addition to the infantry battalions engineers.

You going to send your lightly armored and now slow Amphibious vehicles to a well guarded beach from 5km out? Thats suicide have fun with that.

Why would you wait days. Called planning and reading a map.


And because we did not cross the river in front of the tanks and brought heavy equipment across we can handel them. Unlike the guy ploding along with zero cover accross the river or when he gets across is in vehicles so lightly armored a ww2 infantry battalion could stop them.

Henry240:
Yes.

Why. Why cant he use a regular helicopter that could then be used for other military roles. It seems like a massive waist to have a helcopter that can now do only one job.

Does the presdent really need a specialized vip helicopter?

lionel4power:
your own source.

For Seifert, 43, the SASF course reminded the 25-year veteran of his early days in the U.S. Army infantry, when survival training was an annual event. While some things the South Africans taught resembled training from his 17 years in Special Forces, the Minnesota- native learned important lessons.
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Another part.
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In all, the Soldiers learned about more than 70 birds, 50 trees and 25 insect species. When it comes to eating bugs - yeah, they did a lot of that - Otfinoski learned to avoid insects with bright colors Stick to natural tones, like those of the brown grasshopper - of which Otfinoski ate hundreds during his few weeks in the bush.
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lol.. The US has been doing that type of training before on their own soil for years
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You taught them how to eat insects... CONGRATZ

The word some is important.

lionel4power:
since you don't know anything lemme use pictures so you'll understand.
pics 1) WW2
pics 2-4) modern day

Only the last pic proofs your point. The middle 2are of fording a river. Eg driving accross. The ratel can ford a river of 1.2 metets in depth. That deeper than my hight.

lionel4power:
please learn to read... I said
-1500 infantrymen OR 15 Tanks.
-support ships don't mean much? that's a stupid reasoning, why was it called 'SUPPORT'.
-you for know that if we were to invade we'll equip our 3 frigate with potent air defence systems to deal with air threats.
-we also have two stealth OPV and about 10 corvettes and fast attack boats. with varying degree of anti-air defence.
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without our airforce we will still invade.

15 tanks or 1500 men. Great have fun your tanks will run out fuel and be captured your men will run out of food and be unable to advance and will surrender when they realize the enemy as freaking tanks.

Yeah aka they got guns. So unless you never move from the beach they cant protected your guys. Any case they all targets for a submarine.

lezz:
IT IS OFFICIAL!!!! Egypt has overtaken south Africa as the 2nd biggest economy in Africa.

The slide to insignificance has begun in earnest.

http://www.nigerianwatch.com/news/8271-latest-imf-figures-show-nieria-as-worlds-22nd-largest-economy-with-gdp-jof-11trn

Its funny how the first and second biggest economies are pretty shit places to live. Poor human rights record, civli strive and open warfare in parts of the country. I don't think south Africans Care since GDP is only one aspects of a economy. I mean for Nigeria's massive GDP south Africa still as more cash as in money.

agaugust:
IRA is trapped on a tiny land mass surrounded by Atlantic ocean and have no means of importing antiaircraft cannon in hundreds like Boko Haram did through Chad, Niger Republiqué and Cameroon....or else if they had that firepower, they will overrun British army bases.
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Even if they had them they would of lost. The British 1980s army is better than any African army.

iterator24:
you're still alive ?

Why would i not be alive.

lezz:
speak english please. I don't know where to start addressing my response.

Spooks is English slang for spies. I am saying your intelligence agency as tatical teams.

agaugust:
If the enemy is not coming from behind you, then he is on the other side of the river, so he is waiting for you with his tanks, you are the one who now needs to cross a wide lake Victoria with pontoon bridges and not all pontoons can hold a heavy tank to cross.

Do you know how much heavy material in large numbers is needed to be transported from your HQ base to a far away river? You think is like loading one truck with oranges? How many building materials are needed to bridge a large lake and how many days to transport them by land especially if it's over harsh road terrain, you dunce? See why modern armies have simple solution of amphibious vehicles? Fool, SANDF is a bunch of fools with no amphibious vehicles in 2015 !

By the way, does your motorized infantry drive around with bridges all the time in case they might need them ? All we see in your military exercises are basic MRAPs.

Why on earth we crossing where his tanks are? Do you think your lightly armoured amphibious APCs could cross a area guarded by a armoured force?

We have a lot of trucks. Standard motorised battalion is 88 to 100 APCs and 100 trucks. A 4 gun arty battery as about 10 some times more trucks.


They get supplied as needed with.




I shal now tell you somthing you sermed to of forgotten. Amphibious vehicles have a tactical advantge they able to exploit in a very specific set of circumstances. Becuase even your battalions have at least a 50% ratio of logistical to combat vehicle's. Your trucks are not amphibious. Mean if you wanted to attack you will need a bridge to.


Those circumstances for amphibious vehicle's are common in swampy areas like the Niger delta. In SA we dont have any area like that on the scale that matters. What we do have is a lot of open space with killometers of nothing. Hence we focused on endurance. We have different requirements and needs though long range is a advantage that is more easily exploited that amphibious.

agaugust:
Same Britain sailed a massive army, navy, and air force across the massive Atlantic ocean about 15,000 km away from home to defend and win back Falkland Island from Argentine military forces, so why is a small piece of water a 'big' barrier to hinder British military operations in Northern Island? You sure you are in the navy? Or are you employee of a fishing company catching crabs and sardines?

Again i am not talking military i am talking geology. The people of Ireland are different from the British. The big one and the reasons for the war is religion. Again the war took place in UK territory but not British lands. The local population was hostile towards them.

lionel4power:
USA did not ask you for training. It was a joint co-operation. Mutual training. What do you know?

"Often it's U.S. Army NCOs offering mentorship to African nations - one of the key missions for U.S. Army Africa. This case was the reverse, South African instructors taught U.S. Army NCOs how to survive in the wild, with little more than a rifle and canteen."

http://www.army.mil/article/20793/Back_to_basics_in_the_South_African_bush/

agaugust:
Nope, you ran away because I made you realize your military, SANDF, SAN, SAAF are mere paper tigers..... Sure I made you look silly many times, you don't dare a Nigerian next time.

why would i care for opinion of a accountant. See i have met a few members of your military now, i liked them. You just a annoying idiot that says stuff that make me fell stupid.

lezz:
what is it you're trying to say up there?

In dealing with 21st century terrorism/terrorists, intelligence is indispensable.

That you should not assume French acknowledgment of you spooks is a acknowledgement of your grunts. hell your Spooks even as there own tatical teams that may mean they don't trust your army or police to act on there intel.

stillchris:
Andrew... I have given you countless citations that proved northern Ireland is British territory.

All you have managed to do is give your personal opinions with nothing to back it up.

you gave one that said UK is commonly referd to as britian. But the official name as nothern Ireland separate. I mean Nigerians are commonly known as drug dealers in South Africa.

lezz:
Once again this snake-skined nincompoop has just proven that the only thing sustaining your banter here for 5 years is fear, envy and self-doubt.

Even if we were to agree France only came for intelligence shearing/gathering they wouldn't be doing so without acknowledging that the Nigerian army has proved its worth against BH. And they have a lot to learnlearn from NAF

Patrick, you are of little mind. And your soul is dark.
Every little success of Nigeria drives you to near insanity.

If you don't adjust to reality, Nigeria shall inevitably make you die young.

South Africa has really put effort and ambition into becoming a leader yet mediocrity stick with you.

When ever I watch Man City play, only South Africa comes to mind.

intelligence and army not the same.


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stillchris:
It is British territory such that Britain imposed anti terror laws and had the power to deploy whatever tactics and assets they deemed.

That's the difference between fighting home and abroad.

Reason why I used British example.

Reason why everywhere in history claims it was fought by the brush on British boundaries.

A fact you are yet to disproof

Hardly every one since according to Britain it was a internal civil war that Britain was neutral in. They fail at being netrual since one group was pro Britain the othet group anti. And just because it your territory does not mean it in your lands its like saying if some one that invades the Prince Edward Islands is Invading South Africa. Yeah they techical are technical they part of cape town only they 1700km away.

stillchris:
No. The fact that hasn't changed is that northern Ireland is a part of UK controlled and protected by the british. British troops fought unsuccessfully for 20 years. That's a fact.

Yes they held territory for months and that could be attributed to failed leadership.

Fact of this argument is that insurgency is not an easy war to fight. Whether by a super power of a third world country.

Unsusfully? For 20 years they successfully held Northern Ireland and at no point did the IRA ever capture ground. The IRA where forced to fight like they did because every time it became a battle between them and the British Army they lost. This is not the case in Nigeria where BH as stormed military bases captured towns and drove around in stolen APCs. Britain did far bettet than Nigeria ever did.

So how you can compare the 2 i dont know.

stillchris:
Read you comment again and tell me how this disproof the fact that northern Ireland is not in British territory and control

It is British territory as munch as Nigeria, South Africa, India, extra was there territory. Yeah it belonged to them but it was not them. There is a difference. That tiny piece of water separating Ireland from Britain makes a big difference.

stillchris:
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, commonly known as the
United Kingdom (UK) or Britain,[nb 5] is a
sovereign state in Europe

many smaller islands.[8] Northern Ireland is the only part of the UK that shares a land border with another state—the Republic of Ireland
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

Nice try. The British government provides security to the UK.

That's what you should disproof.

Nothern Ireland is under the British control

And still does not change the fact the insurgency was based in ireland a seprate land mass and diffrent people. You could rightly comparie BH if they where ethnically from Chad with support from people living in Chad.


Not to mention BH once captured a area larger than northern Ireland and held it for month's. At no time did the IRA captuer and administrate a suburb never mind cities.

stillchris:
Lol... Andrew.. Aren't you just ignorant.

UK is nothing more than a British empire.

Britain controls the military and provides security to the union. You can disproof that if you wish

British government and troops took over the insurgency war in northern Ireland and Thatcher was the commander in chief you ignoramus

Again its geology. Nothern Ireland is located in Ireland and is part of the UK Great Britain normally called Britain is a Island witch has 3 countries in it England, Scotland and Wales. These 3 countries form the UK along with Northern Ireland form the UK.

stillchris:
These south Africans are very foolish in thinking.

Insurgency is insurgency regardless of the cause because every militant fights for a different cause.

Islamic insurgency
Insurgency born from secessionist movement
Insurgency born from racial apartheid etc...

Britain fought insurgency in it's borders for 20 years (you fools couldn't dispute that).

Now you fools are shifting to "how does BH relate to a secessionist insurgency having agrees Britain failed to defeat it for 20 good years.

Dumb Zulus I tells ya

Never fought it in there boders they fought it in Ireland. And land they conquerd and colonised and tried to force there views and religion on.

lionel4power:
Please read this statements.

France begs
-According to Gen. Gormert , “In the area of geo- spatial
intelligence, we will seriously rely on you to help us develop that
capacity. We are in the process of setting up that department.

France begs us to take them to next level.

-“I believe in building up capacity we must leverage on our capable
partners like you to help us from the level which we were, to a
higher level .

then Nigeria replies.
- As a nation, we understand the feelings that you are going through
right now, because we have the same nuisance in our hands,”

TRANSLATION.
France; "please we seriously rely on you to help us on Intel., we are setting up the department.

france; since you are one of our capable partners.... help us to the next level"

Nigeria replies; don't worry friend we too had the same nuisance... so we'll help that's what friends do"

Do you understand now?

I dont see begging. Asking and begging are not the same. Making a deal where both sides gain somthing is not begging. I am not refueting the fact France wants to learn from Nigeria. I am saying you twisting facts and making it bigger than it is. By your example i can say the USA begged the SANDF to teach them bush warfare skills because they sent a few guys to be trained by us. Same ad the dutch and many others. Truth is they did not begg us they asked.

stillchris:
It used guerrilla tactics against the British Army and RUC in both rural and urban areas. It also carried out a bombing campaign in Northern Ireland and England against what it saw as political and economic targets. The IRA called a final ceasefire in July 1997
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army

http://theantimedia.org/profiles-in-insurgency-the-irish-republican-army/

For someone in the military who cannot identify what an insurgency is, you seem better off as a navy kitchen cook that you are

It not military is geology.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain

Ireland is not in Britain. Ireland is a separate land mass. This is the full name of the UK

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

Notice Ireland is separate since it is not part of Britain.

stillchris:
Northern Ireland, a part of the United Kingdom, is emerging from a period of conflict known as "the Troubles" and is attempting to implement an historic peace deal
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/country_profiles/4172307.stm

I guess I'm qualified to call you an id1ot then

Now you say UK see if you started with UK you would be correct. Britain is not UK UK is not Britain. There is a big difference that one would know if he spoke to people there. I spoke in depth with a Protestant Northern Irish Royal Marine LtCol ret who served during the troubles. Dont call him a Brit he does not fight for Britain but fought for the UK.

The fact you said there was insurrection in Britain is why i said you unqualified to call some one idiotic. If you said UK i would have ignored your post like i ignore most posts here.

lionel4power:
BREAKING NEWS OOOOO

FRANCE BEGS NIGERIA TO HELP THEM FIGHT TERRORISM

Following recent terrorists’ attacks in Paris which killed over 130 persons, the French Director of Military Intelligence, General Christopher Gormert,
today paid an official visit to the Nigerian Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA), seeking knowledge on how Nigerian security agencies are currently confronting the Boko Haram terrorist group.

According to Gen. Gormert , “In the area of geo- spatial intelligence, we will seriously rely on you to help us develop that capacity. We are in the process of setting up that department. It’s my first time in Abuja and it’s a good reason to visit you on Boko Haram and see how we can share
intelligence; that is the reason for my visit.” He stated further that, “I believe in building up capacity we must leverage on our capable partners like you to help us from the level which we were, to a higher level . “Like you know this phenomenon of global terrorism is catching all nations napping. It’s
something we did not prepare for including developing countries like Nigeria. We have to evolve new ways of tackling them and stamp
them out of existence”. Meanwhile, Nigeria’s CDI, Air Vice Marshal Monday Riku Morgan had expressed “sympathy with the entire community of France, and particularly the people of Paris, for the mischievous attack carried out by the terrorists on their city.” “ As a nation, we understand the feelings that you are going through right now, because we have
the same nuisance in our hands,” he said. He recalled the visit of President Buhari to France early this year, which he said ‘’ brought about the serious synergy that both security organizations have today, between the French government and Nigeria in terms of intelligence sharing”. “I want to assure you that your visit is highly plausible. I recall that during a visit to Senegal
with the Chief of Defence Staff, we spoke on very serious bilateral issues on the need to encourage our Francophone brother nations to give us the neccesary support to defeat Boko Haram.
“We think that henceforth, such daily intelligence sharing will keep happening and this will effectively change the situation in the north
east,” AVM Morgan said.
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some countries fighting terrorism
USA
Russia
Israel
Iraq
Syria
Ethiopia
Egypt
Lebanon
Afghanistan
Pakistan
Kenya

Yet they begged us to help them... NIGERIA MILITARY HAS NO EQUAL

http://dailypost.ng/2015/11/25/french-government-seeks-nigerias-assistance-in-terrorism-war/?wt=3

I see no begging. I see france wishing to share information and best practice. This is hardly the big event you all makeing it. Fact is you been fighting radical islamic groups longer than france so of course they want to see how uou do it. A smart man learns from his mistake's and smater man learns from other's. Same thing happened when Coalition forces started to suffer losses to mines. They noticed how others delt with it and copied it.

Does this means french intelligence agencies need nigeria? No they tracked down the leaders of the attack just fine, will this new found knowledge stop attacks? No since Nigeria is attacked all the time. What france gains is a greater understanding of there enemy. Art of war know your self and the enemy and you win every battle.

stillchris:
How about we shift focus to Britain that fought insurgency at home for 20 years despite being a super power.

Idiotic saffers still thinking with ur arsses

There was no insurgency in Britain. There was terrorism there yes but the insurrection took place in Ireland. Any body unable to grasp the fact that Britain and Ireland are not the same is not qualfied to call any body a idiotic. Not to mention Ireland had been fighting for independence on and off since 1536 when the English re-conquer Ireland. The UK successfully resolved the issue through diplomacy mutch like South Africa delt with there issues.

agaugust:
Whoooosh !!! Humiliated !!!

Your two videos show NOTHING BRIGADE size, all we see are about 20 men paratroopers

Nigeria had TWO brigade size NA+NN+NAF multiple-brigade size exercises in 11 years, TAKUTE 2004 and OLOGUN 2009, in 2014 we had LAFIYA DOLE final offensive exercise of SIX BRIGADES combined, and straight from that war game they went into REAL LIFE war that South Africa has NEVER fought in that magnitude in the last 70 years !

SADF/SANDF has NEVER deployed up to one full brigade to war in the last 70 years.

Nigeria does not need yearly brigade size war games when we already deploy about 3 to 6 brigades into real war consistently for the past 25 years all over Africa in real life war, not Rugby Football match war games of South African military.

SANDF, SAN, SAAF have NEVER graduated to fighting any real tri-service war in real life, your Rugby players army never goes into any competition against real opponents, they are always stuck with training by themselves alone in an indoor hall, arranging combat forces like oranges on a table for sale by market women !

Nigeria combines training with constant war experience in real life , we are superior to you home baby sitters military.

Tell me, how does your navy SAN, participate in joint army, navy, air force war games if you only train on brown sand dry lands with no amphibious war game, your frigates and submarines drive with Dunlop or Michelin tyres on dry land to join the army on the field?

All your SANDF training is garbage to be dumped into the incinerator. Rugby Football tactics army
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MRS deploys for these exsizes. They do river and lake patrols.


Training in indoors? Well yes we have the best simulators in africa we all so have one of the worlds largest training grounds with a shooting range messuerd in killometers. We all so train with countless other countries from the American, dutch, Namibian, English, Botswanan, DRC, Germany, hell there have been Nigerian sailors training here he did our NBCD training. Your argumants have become more and more ridicules you are the sole reason i am not active here. Reading your posts makes me feel stupid.

Henry240:
- the communists are still in power in Angola

- the Afrikanners and Germans were kicked out of power in Namibia. Ast gottfried21 or ViceAdmiral

- the communist supported ANC has been in power in South-Africa for the past 21 years.


Verdict : the SADF foray into Angola was a massive defeat for the SADF/Apartheid government.


We are now left with a bunch of lily-livered, ill-organised and ill-trained men such as ( Fighterpilot, Mzilakazi, Syndergp, Andrewza) in the force.

Really, did you think before you posted.

Henry240:
Why are people even contradicting yourselves?

I dont know what other people said. But the parabat company and SF team where there to protect the training team. No one from the training team was hurt.

agaugust:
You should have sent policemen there then.

SANDF mandate was to protect lives and property, how will they do that, use sticks and stones?

Protected south african lives and property. No one they where there to protected was hurt.