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More galis. Do you know what unit they from.

Henry240:
You have 26 Gripen jets, why would you have anything short of 26 pilots?

The report is now some years old. We had only just received them. Pilots takes years to train.

patriot4:
i don't have your time, talking to you is as useful as talking to a 5 year old, plus the stubbornness, i have a life to live

The question destroys your argument and now you refuse to answer it.

patriot4:
I am done with the subject, use your imagination, I can't continue telling the obvious.

It only obvious to you because you wrong. You have failed to answer the questions razed.

patriot4:
You are two stubburn to hear reason. How does using just one camo help you to recognize your guys while the ennemy can also wear that same camo ? And in this case it is an ennemy which tends to impersonate your guys. So how does having only one camo help ? I really can't debate with you since I lack time and you lack imagination. Look at it this way: your army has three different camos and each soldier is provided with all camos, then you install a dress code which changes in function of the day and the unit. Therefor, you reduce the probability of being impersonated by the ennemy.

How does haveing more than 1 cammo stop your enemy wearing your uniform. More so that Nigeria does not even use unique cammo.

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patriot4:
Totally wrong, the soldiers know the uniforms better than I do, and up to today I have never made a mistake in recognizing a Nigerian military uniform. Moreover using just one uniform doesn't stop infiltration, because the terrorists can copy it (as they often do, they even did that in iraq against usa army), so I don't get the point you are trying to make. It is giving you headache, but not the soldiers and not me, because the soldiers and I are fammiliarized with the uniforms. The headache it is giving you is further proof that it is a good method to confuse outsiders. I think its best we end this discussion right here, knowing your stubbornness.

Thats because you seeing them up close. Try telling them apart at 500 to 1000 meters. Having more than one uniform does not make harder to copy it does not change a thing. It does not give me a headache it will give the logistical guys a headache though.

patriot4:
@mikeczar, actually you are wrong, the concept of many uniforms makes it harder to mimmic you. Because the soldiers know who is supposed to wear which camo, if you wear a camo and are spotted where those wearing it are not supposed to be, then you are in trouble. If someone is pretending to be from a certain unit but wears the wrong camo, then he is in trouble. Also for a specific mission the army could decide that all the soldiers participating in that mission would wear a certain camo, therefor the terrorists (who are famous for trying to impersonate soldiers) would find it more difficult to impersonate soldiers. The us military also has several camo. Now back to topic.

Does not make any sense. Those fighting you know what unit they fighting and what cammo they wearing. It does nothing for help to stop infiltrators. In fact it causes confusion has solders must stop and think is that patrol there friendly or hostile.

iterator24:
your own investors think otherwise

The fact we have investors shows the great difference. Etween us.

iterator24:
lucrative football league in SA, by south africans. nobody watches your league outside SA dummy. and quit the budget praise its boring, investors want to know the richest. . even if your budget is $200 billion, we can produce it times 2..if you knew better, you won't advertise your ignorance on cyberspace.

and next time use the quote link

You can't produce it once. Nigeria is poor. All was has been.

agaugust:
You CANNOT buy military satellite and escape United Nations arms log registration, both buyer and seller will be in violation of legally binding UN Convention on arms transfer.

South Africa has no space satellite until confirmed by the Russians who manufacture it. Then Kondor-E is an ordinary satellite not a spy satellite.....Russian sources proved the specifications.

Dream on bro , hallucinations are free if charge, even street beggars have them
.

There is nothing forcing people to honour said rules. Russia did confirm some time ago it was for south Africa.

Henry120:
I differ, this isn't world war II.

However, man, the drill is very fvcking intense. These FSB guys showed a deep mental and tactical discipline. The drill was perfect, it had to be. To think they also perform this drill with assault weapon shows their weapons handling and trigger discipline is flawless.

Impressive!


If i'm a hostage, and had luxury of choosing my rescuers, it has to be the Russian FSB, Alpha group guys. I've seen enough to conclude definitively.

You should watch the documentary of the task force.

MikeCZAR:
The Russians never gave an arse about their soldiers!

EPIC!

They still don't.

morpheus24:
NOTE#

One plane ride to the DA controlled Western Cape and those memories of APatheid come flushing back.

The head of DA in in parliament is black. There are not enough whites to give DA there numbers.

saengine:
I miss the days when this thread was about military matters

Anyways.....confirmed projects for SANDF 2015

- Serial production and acceptance of A-Darter AAM

https://www.saairforce.co.za/seed/public/files/weapon_images/31/4ff598c828649_large.jpg

- Serial production and acceptance of Badger IFV

https://www.shephardmedia.com/media/images/article/841aee91.jpg

- Purchase/upgrade of new heavy weight torpedo for submarines


Known projects currently at Armscor tender stage
- Aquisition of three inshore and three offshore patrol vessels (tenders close June 2015)

Projects at development phase with Armscor and Denel

- Marlin family of long range radar guided surface to air missile
- Continued work on Umkhonto land based surface to air missile for SA Army GBADS program

https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads/4f37761a26ba11b2fa44aa5a84d6719b.jpg

Unconfirmed projects
- Purchase of Seeker 400 UAV by SA Air Force
- Purchase and apparent operation of defence intelligence spy satellite

seeker 400 was confirmed by Denel. They are the unarmerd version and no numbers or other details are given.

http://defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38165:sudan-unveils-122-mm-self-propelled-howitzer-armoured-vehicles-at-idex&catid=7:Industry&Itemid=116

Sudan's new SP arty.

onumaegbuikenna:
Why the hell are South Africans here, this is Nairaland not Randland.

Because Nigerians spoke about south Africa. I googled SANDF and this thread piped up.

Any case it's on a a .com domain. Not .NA or something.

EVarn:
lol.you are now resorting to guerilla tactics because i've caged you like pickled cucumber.
how can i give proof of intelligence activities?,even the president does not readily possess such information.

I called a joke long time ago. I am just adding crazy now.

Then don't make claims you can't back.

EVarn:
There will never be evidence of any breach,but it doesnt mean that there wasnt a breach.That is what secret services do,they wipe off all traces and leaks,and if necessary,they assasinate witnesses by orchestrating 'unfortunate accidents'.No one will mention Nigeria,because we are so deeply rooted in your government setup that we have become invisible.

Wow I never knew your response would be such a tin foil hat response. You have no proof so come back with proof please.

EVarn:
who are the masses?

In this case low and low middle class.

EVarn:
i cant read most of the sentences you wrote.
anyway,our DSS has invaded your intelligence dome numerous times now,and you guys know nothing about it,its rather pathetic for a self acclaimed super power

What I said was that the weakness was a assment of other departments in south Africa. There is no evidence that SSA was breached by any body. And no menstion of Nigeria.

EVarn:
they are not food for the masses?!
so it is the government alone that sits down,finish the food that you import and lick their fingers?,hmm?,is it the government that eats the foods that your import?.

I don't think you know who the masses are.

EVarn:
lol.of course there will never be any mention of nigerian intelligence,whats the point of spying if everyone knows that you are spying?
the truth is that; there are elements in your government,parliament and especially opposition party who aid our spies in intel gathering,and also covert ops{knowingly and unknowingly}.
in recent years,there has been an escalation of nigerian intelligence covert operations in south africa,especially owing to boko haram.
Your secret service is rubbish,go and sleep my friend.

And this was all knowen by our Intel serves. All so they have little real control of the acstions of other departments. These are the group's that Where menstioned.

agaugust:
Religious fanatic is NOT a professional spie doing espionage
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Actually they are. Many have support teams, cover ID's, use the tatice a d every thing. They conduct covert actions like any other spy would.

EVarn:
SA also imports food materials,you dont produce everything you eat.no country produces everything they eat.

We import out of season products and food that we don't grow. They not food for the masses.

EVarn:
indeed,yet every country on earth the even remotely has an intelligence agency has infilterated your country.

That's not actually stated. What was said in 2009 is that there where 140 spies in SA. All countries run spy teams has in more than one spy. Only major powers in the Intel world have been spoken about. Not one report even menstions Nigeria.

agaugust:
Above story says, maybe, likely, possibly, might have....I award you advanced diploma in rumour mongering
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Both the SANDF and Russia confirmed the deal some time ago. This only points out that SA civilian intelligence need to soy on Russian intelligence to find out what SA military intelligence was doing. Has you not the leak is all from Civlian intel not miltatry.

EVarn:
Nigeria has beef,tasty juicy beef.
we also have maize in huge quantity.
The reason why we dont feature in your bogus charts is because we do not export either meat or maize.
but we produce them in huge quantities for internal consumption.

And you still a food importer.

agaugust:
That fact that a local Nigerian terrorist entered your country shows your level of insecurity. Same way Rwandan assasins killed an ex-Rwandan officer inside South Africa, lol, even Rwandans enter South Africa with guns, kill people in broad daylight and escape under your funnel shaped noses....incompetence galore....Boko Haram can even assassinate Jacob Zuma in Pretoria. Lol.

Yet he left Nigeria where he commuted his crimes and enters SA where he was not a threat to.


That Rwandan officer was under SA protection. He left voulantarly. The assassins where felt with. Before hand there was both SA could do since no law had been broken yet.
http://www.citypress.co.za/politics/intel-tried-save-rwandan-spy-boss/

agaugust:
The most important weapons in South African military are all imported made in Europe, the weapons your defense industry makes are only good for defeating Lesotho and Burundi.

Gripen jet, Hawk jet, Valour Frigate, Heroine Submarine, Olifant/Centurion tanks, Starstreak missile, are all imported
.

The largest branch in the SANDF is the infantry. Getting more money and with more man power than any other group. It is our most importaned element. We can loose every thing you menstioned and still be able to defend our selfs with just our infantry. In Angola it was our infantry that did the bulk of the work.

agaugust:
South Africa has NEVER deployed even one single Gripen jet or Hawk jet in any contested airspace
.

It nice living a country not at war.

EVarn:
no nation has requested help from you....
lol,you can hardly track a terrorist,terrorists are known to be almost untrackable.
with the way your intelligence is,you can barely find your president if he gets lost.

Other than to spy on Islamic ectrmists, eco groups, Iran, NGOs, extra. Or to. put the CIA in contact with hammas