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agaugust: those african countries that have 4.0 generation jets but NO single BVR SRAAM have to be very careful in dogfight with 3.5 generation jets armed with PL-9C 4.0 generation jet SRAAM.

when both pilots are within visual range of each other, both are in danger of being shot down....and nigerian pilots have mastered and perfected the use of all our jets. we train regularly and dont keep any jet in 'cold freezer warehouse' long term storage due to lack of cash....like some countries do with their expensive jets

F-7 Jet of nigeria's very deadly PL-9C missile

https://www.ausairpower.net/PLA-AF/PL-9C-AAM-Zhenguan-Studio-1S.jpg
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What is a BVR SRAAM?


The PL-9c is a export version of the PL-8 witch is a chinness liscended mafactoerd python III sraam. It uses the same seeker head(a seeker head SA has by the way) so don't try to make the PL-9 somthing it is not.


When last did nigeria put the fighters against forghin fighters. SA has put the gripens vs other gripens and torndoes along with zim F7s.

agaugust: by who ? Egypt or Algeria maybe. anyone else ? No.

....and nigerian navy has Aspide SAM anti-aircraft missiles with longer range than nigerian army Roland SAM

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Nigerian Navy 13km range Aspide anti-aircraft missiles.[/size]

By a lot of african countries from sa, algeria, morroco, ethyopyia, extra extra.


It is a 1970s desghine not what I would call top of the line.

Hezron Lorraine: ^^
Hope those e-cockroaches are no longer here,they know themselves.

You mean the spammers? They have been gon for some time.

agaugust: thanks Fynline for this nice video.

comments from senior air force officers/chiefs of air staff from Pakistan, South Africa, and Brazil all say nigerian air force aircraft are in excellent technical condition and the pilots very skillful.

reason why i warned south african navy never to attempt any blockade of nigerian waters....NAF will sink all your warships in 45 minutes, we have mastered our aircraft and know how to use them perfectly in combat with some surprise tactics that the enemy is not expecting.

that does mean your pilots will not get blown out the sky

agaugust: everything about south african weapons technical details/specifications is available on free public internet....thats why civilians know how to sink your valour frigate from the air

nigeria too is confirmed to have a rockets/missile project with lost of test firing....technical details NOT freely given to public by the nigerian military....wisdom !

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The only country that does not release details of there sytems are those like nigeria who are not trying to sell them because they know it will not sell

And not every detail is released.


Your goverment confired only 10km. Beagel(a man) gave a 120km flight.
Both where unguided test flights so prove what?

agaugust: look here mister, the only sloution to your regular embarrassment on this forum is to stop telling lies to us.

after you post intentionally twisted and crooked false information, you will then start looking for senseless and headless explanations to cover your shame.

no wsidom in going to a pharmacy to buy medicine for a sickness...after death !

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wow you do not even know how wikpedia works?

[img]http://www.janes.com/images/assets/033/28033/p1513576.jpg [/img]

Umkhonto land based launcher and radar.

https://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/cache/images/Rooivalk_white_400x300.jpg
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South african navy frigats, OPVs(ex strike craft) and a MCM all in the bay plus a rooivalk attack chopper in peace keeping white.

agaugust: wikipedia is a better source than a web chat forum. dont be so dumb

i read many comments page after page of that your web chat forum postings....NOTHING there says the ships moved out of harbour..

white man...white lies

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Wikpedia uses a book writen in 1998. That book is the refence for for the claim you so love. That book uses sources. And one was a intelgance report saying that they were not alowedto fire from in side the port but were from just out side.


Wikpeadia is basicaly a forum any body can join and edit or creat a wikpedia padge. Stop think wikpedia is all knowing.

agaugust: ...angry because i sank all the shiny painted warships of your over-rated soweto navy

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Angry far from it. Your posts on this padge have made me smile because I now know I am talking with a complet imbercial.

agaugust: i quoted war history as source. you are quoting a chat forum to reply me, fool

anyway, nothing in your on-line chat forum source says that the war history i posted was not correct, so i am still very right.

i shocked you by proving that a warship can hide safe in the harbour and fire anti-ship missiles to sink the enemy warship that is exposed in the open sea

dont try to change war history, it is too late, what happened has happened, what is written has been written.

SOURCE : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Zealous_(R39)

Egyptian warship hiding safe in the harbour, did NOT move to the entrance of the harbour , it stayed inside and fired that anti-ship missile to sink Israeli warship exposed on the sea...same thing i did with NNS Aradu and sank your south african Valour frigate to sea bottom...may your sailors gentle souls rest in peace...Amen !

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You used wikpeda. The source given in wikpeda is a book writen in 1998 read through the forum padge shows you what it says in the book. I knew of the sinking long before you ever brought it up.

Underground: Like Rambo against the Soviets in Afghanistan!!

No more like the TV show the unit. A cart being pulled by a mule does not attraced much attension.

agaugust: sorry dude, the longer range 20km Umkhonto missile is even worse than the 15km range version i simulated war against. the 20km is NOT yet on the valour frigate and it has rader homing instead of infra red homing....its radar will be jammed by ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft of nigeria.

also, its ceiling/max altitude is only 2km higher than the current version, so all nigeria will do is to fly F-7 jets at 15km and fire missiles at then pull up to air again at 13km safe from the 12km limited ceiling of your over-rated new 'improved' Umkhonto missile.

desperate to escape from nigerian air and sea power ? your naval blockade is a suicide mission for south african navy.

go back home and threaten Namibia and Mozambique with your shiny warships....nigeria is a military power you CANNOT mess around with

NAF has upgraded its 12 units of MBB 339 Long range (1,750 km) trainer/ground attack jets in Italy for $84 million

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This entire post shows you are a fool. The whole thing.

It so bad I don't even feel the need to anserw any more of your posts. Since you are a incomptent fool.

agaugust: you are a navy chef/cook

This is the most re*tarded thing I have heard from you.

SF use what is best for the job if that is Aks and horses so be it.

souldust: @andrewza will you be coming too? And what is that thing looks like a hood the navy crew wear? It is actually a piece of cloth. Why do they wear it. I saw the navy crew wear it in the movie battleship. They also put on gloves the colour of the hood. What are they for?

How about Africom? Is it still going to be a reality?

No I am not frigats.


It is called anti flash. Protecs you from fires. All crew have it at all times.

It is all so worn by profsnial race car drivers, fire fighters extra. Naval uniform is fire retardant so when you wear this only your eyes are open. When you combine it with the face mask of the CABA set and you protected from sudden flash of flames. Hence it is called anti flash.

Henry120: We've already invited them for a joint exercise in the early months of 2014. So this visit would most likely be a port visit only.

Probaly be some convouy sailing and small boats ops.

rka1: You're not wrong there. That is at present part of their failings. They are allowing boko haram and their cohorts gain the upper hand in dissemination of information.

You right propergander and infomastion control is imported part of a milltary operastion. Somthing both SA and Nigeria strugel at.

http://www.janes.com/article/28033/land-based-umkhonto-fired-for-the-first-time

Denel Dynamics, the guided weapons division of South Africa's Denel, carried out the first live-fire tests of the land-based version of its Umkhonto naval surface-to-air missile (SAM) between 1 and 3 October.

The tests also saw an Umkhonto-IR destroy a target at 20 km for the first time, a feat achieved after recent modifications to the Block 2 variant, and the first use of Reutech Radar Systems' new RSR-320 dual-band, 3D radar to provide mid-course guidance for the missiles.

Observers from nine countries joined South African defence and military officials at Denel's Overberg Test Range for the shoot. All three war-shot missiles scored kills on Low-Cost Aerial Target Systems (LOCATS), two at 15 km range and one at 20 km.

The targets were launched from the range and flew out to sea before turning inshore on an elliptical track. They were engaged by the Umkhonto-IR missiles in their lock-on-after-launch mode, with the RSR-320 providing mid-course guidance to get the missiles within acquisition range of their infrared seekers.

The ground-based launcher is being developed by Denel Dynamics with an eye on the South African Army's GBADS Phase 2 project, as is the RSR-320 radar.

The Umkhonto Block 2 missiles were provided by the South African Navy (SAN) from its stocks, one being modified by Denel Dynamics to increase its range, effectively resulting in a Block 3 variant of the missile. The LOCATS were provided by the South African Army.

The RSR-320 radar has been developed from the 2D Thutlwa ESR 220 radar that is in service with the South African Army. It is optimised as a missile guidance radar that can designate multiple low-altitude targets with integrated electronic counter-countermeasures (ECCM) and identification friend-or-foe (IFF) capabilities, but has also demonstrated its utility as an air and marine surveillance radar.

The Umkhonto vertical-launch SAM system was developed by Denel Dynamics for the SAN's MEKO A200-class frigates and is in service in Block 1 and Block 2 versions.

The Block 2 differs from the Block 1 primarily in that it has a seeker that is better suited to look-down engagements in a cluttered littoral environment and a 15 km range (3 km further than the Block 1).

The Block 2 is also in service with the Finnish Navy's Hamina-class corvettes and Hämeenmaa-class mine layers and is reported to have been selected by the Algerian Navy for its new MEKO frigates.

The SAN has carried out multiple successful Umkhonto launches against LOCATS and Skua high-speed targets, and the Finnish Navy has scored kinetic kills against Banshee targets with at least three telemetry rounds.

The SAN has also demonstrated the Umkhonto in its alternate anti-ship role, which showed that pre-fragmented warheads would destroy most of a warship's sensor antennas.

Denel is working on developing extended-range (beyond 20 km) and radar-guided, all-weather versions of the Umkhonto.


The Umkhonto-IR is the land-based version of the Umkhonto naval SAM. (Denel Dynamics)







So the umkhonto has a 20km range. With only a minor modifcastion.

we comeing up north to say hi.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32154/



Navy shows the flag on West Coast patrol

by Dean Wingrin, October 9, 9:43 am

The South African Navy frigate SAS Spioenkop departed Simon's Town Wednesday morning on a patrol along the west coast of Africa, destined for Dakar in Senegal.


During her six-week voyage, the South African warship will be visiting Walvis Bay (Namibia), Luanda (Angola), Tema (Ghana) and Lagos (Nigeria) prior to arriving in Dakar where she will support the South African contingent participating at the Sea Power for Africa Symposium.

The patrol, known as INTEROP WEST, is a military diplomacy mission, showing the flag in each of the ports. En route, the ship will exercise with various African Navies and allow naval officers of different countries to sail on board.

According to Capt Chris Manig, Commander of the Frigate Squadron, the actual exercises will be decided by the ship and the host country whilst the ship is alongside.

"We won't have any specific requirements that we want to exercise with our neighbours, it's more about what they would like to do with us on areas that they want to brush up on," Manig explained.

"We'll look at the visiting country's capacity in terms of their navy and any specific outcomes they want to concentrate on and then we'll discuss a program around that," he continued.

The exercises will possibly concentrate on maritime interdiction and anti-piracy type operations, including anti-piracy boarding training.

Commanded by Captain MA Boucher, the Spioenkop has a crew of 180, together with a dozen Maritime Reaction Squadron (MRS) members and four specialists from the South African Military Health Services (SAMS). The South African Air Force contingent with a Super Lynx maritime helicopter had to pull out at the last minute due to serviceability issues with the helicopter.

Whilst a blow to the Navy, Manig put on a brave face. Spioenkop is due to replace SAS Isandlwana on Operation Copper, the anti-piracy mission in the Mozambique Channel, in January next year.

"We will definitely be taking a helicopter (then), so we will catch up on what we couldn't achieve on this particular trip, Manig said, "So it is of no real concern to us."

The west coast of Africa, particularly the Gulf of Guinea and the Niger Delta, is a high piracy threat area. The Navy says that the pirates in the area are getting more and more brazen in terms of who they board and who they take hostage. As the navies in the area have their own practices in place to counter the piracy threat, the Spioenkop will not be going out and actively looking for any pirates.

However, Manig explained that they may be called upon to assist whilst they are in the area as they have the capability of assisting with the MRS boarding teams and boats onboard. Thus, the MRS is capable of intercepting and boarding any suspicious vessels as part of the anti-piracy objectives or hijacking at sea.

Once alongside in Senegal, the ship will participate in the 4th Sea Power for Africa Symposium from 4 to 8 November 2013. Attended by Chief of the South African Navy, Vice Admiral Refiloe Mudimu, the Symposium is attended by Chiefs of the navies or their representatives from most of the African coastal and inland navies, together with observers from international navies. It aims at identifying, prioritising and resolving various maritime issues facing Africa.

Spioenkop will also act as a display platform for the South African Defence Industry, where Denel will be showcasing various defence industry products and hardware.

Having spent 10 days in Senegal, Spioenkop will depart on 11 November and passage direct to Simon's Town, arriving on 22 November.

Spioenkop recently participated in Ex Shared Accord, the joint South African/ US Armed Forces exercise that was held in the Eastern Cape in July this year.

INTEROP WEST and INTEROP EAST are generally held alternatively each year, with the aim of building and maintaining co-operation with navies along the coast of Africa.

rka1: This is what we have been trying to tell our SA friends. See below excerpt;

[b]Meanwhile, the Director of Defence Information (DDI), Brig-Gen. Chris Olukolade, in a statement yesterday, said the report entitled “War on Insurgency: Operational Blunders, Poor Supplies Causing Military Losses”, was not credible.
According to him, the story simply followed the pattern of reports by some online media and other underground media lately.

He noted that in the said report, the newspaper alluded to operational blunder, obsolete weapons and under-stocked armouries as some of the major reasons behind what it termed “military’s apparent inability to end the Boko Haram insurgency.”

He said: “This fiction and distortion of facts in the above story has once again exposed the tendency of a desperate section of the media to attribute fictitious stories to a non-existent ‘defence sources’.

“There is nothing professional, in-depth or objective in fabricating stories and attributing them to the usually unidentified but ubiquitous so called ‘Defence sources’, all in an attempt to make more sales or create wrong impressions about the military system.

“The Defence Headquarters wishes to emphatically state that the information contained in these reports did not emanate from any credible or authentic source within the Defence Headquarters or the military establishment as claimed by the writers of that story.”

The DDI further enjoined members of the public to discountenance the said report and similar reports attributed to “these spurious and unknown defence sources as they do not represent the fact about the situation in the military or the ongoing operations.”

Olukolade, who appealed to the media not to rely on spurious sources in reporting sensitive defence and security matters, emphasised that professionalism demanded an extra effort to clarify issues before going to press.
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http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/over-30-boko-haram-insurgents-killed-in-army-raids/161025/

Not saying the guy is a incorect but the DDI's job is to make the milltary look good.

agaugust: it will make Egypt to develop local weapons manufacturing industry.

even if Egypt does not buy any new weapon for the next 15 years they will still be number one in africa...1.5 million soldiers...egypt will eat south africa for breakfast

It not so much wepaons that are a problem. Egypt uss a mix of local, usa, china and russian wepaons. It is the mney that is a problem. 1.2 billion is a healthy porstion of there budget.

agaugust: try to be a honest human being once in a while.

the fact that you are a white-man does not mean you should tell white-lies almost every day.

the Egyptian warship was safe inside harbour when it fires anti-ship missile and sank Israeli navy warship on the sea. the source is war history and it clearly says what i said, nobody can re-write war history, fact is fact, you cannot change yesterday.

"Eilat was sunk on 21 October 1967 off Port Said in the Sinai by two Styx missiles launched by Egyptian missile boats.

An Egyptian Komar-class missile boat positioned within the harbour at Port Said fired two missiles at the Israeli frigate. The Eilat's radar did not reveal any suspicious activity or movements because the missile boat was still inside the port when the missiles were fired.

Despite evasive action being ordered by the captain when the missiles were detected, the first missile hit the ship just above the waterline at 17:32 hours. Two minutes later, the second missile struck causing additional casualties. While the Eilat began to list heavily, the crew tended to the wounded and engaged in rescue and repair operations while waiting for additional ships of the Israeli Navy to come to her rescue. But around an hour later, another Egyptian Komar class missile boat from Port Said harbour fired two more Styx missiles at the Eilat. The third missile hit the Eilat amidships, causing more damage and further fires, while the fourth went astray and crashed in the water nearby. The Eilat sank about two minutes later. Out of a crew of 199, 47 were killed and another 41 were wounded"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Zealous_(R39)

everything i wrote in my war simulation is technically correct. nigerian navy NNS ARADU will fire Otomat missiles from inside navl base/ harbour and sink south african valour frigate from a long range distance. FACT . PROVED .

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they were hiding in the harbour and waiting for a clear shot once they were sure the moved to the entrance and fired. they did not fire like has they lay along side. this not somthing ardue can do because you know you blocked the harbour with fishing boats


http://www.militaryimages.net/forums/showthread.php/9250-Egyptian-Komar-Missile-Boats-sank-the-Israeli-INS-Eilat-on-21-October-1967

Henry120: Libya and mali.

Manpads went missing from libya to. A SA7 can down a ariline pretty easly. BH could be a big threat.

Where the hell is BH getting AA guns from?

agaugust: how did your own divers reach lagos in your dreams ?

you think i dont know how to stop divers from reaching warships ? i did not start studying military warfare just yesterday bros

underwater nets at special locations, and many other anti-frogmen traps/barriers/sound-wave-bubble-visual detectors...

reason why i said south african divers cannot enter a nigerian navy base in a war situation, it will be suicide for your divers.

Submarin

All can slow a diver down but there is a way to stop them all together.

We did it before. Don't think you speciol.

agaugust: @Andrewza, as i said, i will only reply your foolish post for formality sake and to stop you from mis-informing my fellow nigerians with your lies.

@Agaugust in bold font

@Andrewza in normal font


You can 5000 ottomats. It is launch platforms.

nigeria has 40 Otomat missiles and the launch platform is NNS ARADU and this warship is alive and well...giving you nightmares



Can you proof those mb 339 are still in serves.

i hate repeating posts, i did it before, but here it is again..

Nigeria to Spend $84M Upgrading its MB-339A Jets

Finmeccanica subsidiary Alenia Aermacchi has signed a contract with Nigeria's Ministry of Defence for the maintenance and enhancement of 12 MB-339A aircraft based

http://www.xairforces.net/newsd.asp?newsid=238&newst=2#.UlNsJVDOkiW



You talking bull anout your ATR42s. You have no drones they can launch.

the nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor gives you high blood pressure every time i mention the aircraft...now have epilepsy because it can carry and launch nigerian made Amebo drones or Imported Isaeli Aerostar drones

http://beegeagle./2012/12/12/us70-million-shaanxi-zdk-03-karakoram-eagle-aewc-plane-photo-credit-and-report-paf-falcons/



Have you ever tried to hit a target from 7km away. Just because it says 7km does not mean you fire from 7km away.

in an open ocean, it is very easy to hit a target 7km away. you were the one boasting before that south african valour frigate 76mm gun can hit an enemy warship 15km away.

warships since world war II have been hitting and sinking ships 15km away. fool



The f7 is a interceptor. All those secondary roles are that. Secondary.

Gripen jet too has secondary roles and it works. F-7 jet has secondary role of air to ground attack....or what are its bombs and rockets meant for ? christmas fireworks ? fool .

You menstion a lot of radars with nothing to do with the simmulastion. How does radar ment for air control help you out. Not to menstion the valour is stealthie and events that took place in china and exersize with far more compotened nastions than nigeria makes me not worry about
your radar.



german Blohm Voss comany, manufacturers of valour frigate have admitted that the ship is visible to radar at half its real size.

nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor aircrafts have rel-time long range TV cameras for sea search and monitoring, stealth warships like valour frigate will be seen full size, clean and clear. the nigerian aircraft also has special panoramic ocean view bubble windows plus the TV cameras. the nigerian air force ATR-42 Surveyor is a great nightmare to you...it ruined your naval blockade and ruined south african navy totally



You bragging about sytems that all fighters since a llong time have. Even a mig 21


i am bragging about F-7 jet of 2008 technology, nigerian custom built NI version, the older Mig 21 does not have HUD or PL-9C missiles, i just proved to you that the nigerian airforce you understimated will sink your expensive navy with our cheap F-7 jets. FACT !!!



Yes those bomb and rockets will force your jets low and close. Making them perfect targets.

if your brain is dead, i cannot help you. read my simulation again, no nigerian jet dropped any bomb. rockets are only used by nigerian jets after Valour frigate finishes all its Umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles and the ships become defenceless against jet fighters attacking it from behind and 5km to 7km away. PL-9C missiles have 22km range and fired from 13km against Umkhonto missile that cannot defend above 10km. fool, you are a big time fool



That are not on stastion 24/7. Satlites are not the all seeing god eye you make them out to be.

i used more than just satellites, i also used flying spy balloons, plus radars, plus TV cameras from aircrafts flying as operation command and control centers

I actualy wonder about this. What is it's range, speed and is it operstional.



Drones that are mostly not operstional but only in the test phase.

i did not use any drones...you fool


All of witch are meangless since we don't need to close in to 30km. By the way I spoke to gunner freind. The 76mm ottolelar has a 20km range but there are 40km rounds comming out soon. Just saying.



that 76mm gun Otomelara is useless to save Valour frigate from an air attack coming from jets behind the ship. i studied the Valour frigate very well, i found its weakpoints and i attacked from those areas. i ruined your expensive south african warships



Yes that size means it blends in, all so makes EW/ECM easyer to hide/safe the ship. Has for IR the valour exhast gase are water cooled and pumped bellow the water line and pre wetting removes the removes the rest of the ir signiter from the hull and super structer.

Yes but the vallour has far more in eltronics to help it out. Dur to being bigger



the F-7 jets are looking at the valour frigate and firing guided missiles with boresight/eyesight/electro-optical computer guided targeting of a ship the pilot is clearly looking at...all the pilot does is to guide the missile to the warship by sight...it takes only 15 seconds and the missiles impact on the valour frigates and sink your navy forever...you cannot hide a huge warship that is bigger than 10 houses and sitting down in open sea waters as a sitting duck for enemy jet fighters to roast for dinner



So we reload ashore or use DKGB. No frigat can reload there missiels of that size at sea. All so there are 16 extra cells that could lead it to a total 32 umkhotos.


i knew you will try to tell us this lie, so i asked you c=before i posted my simulation...how many Umkhonto missiles does a valour frigate carry per voyage/operation...you replied me and said 16 missiles and you even boasted that all sources of facts confirm 16 missiles.

please dont tell story about a fake 32 missiles now after i sank your warships...i also have checked sources....only 16 missiles carried. FACT !

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/South-Africa-Ordering-Umkhonto-Mk2-Air-Defense-Missiles-06869/



And you going to fly vertcaly down from the top dive bomb styl with umkhotos closing in on you. And the gun has a 85+ elvastion that is prety good better than block 0 and 1 phalnks and the same has the block 18. So your point is?

The 76mm has a 85 degree elvastion and a 360 degree travis at 60 degree a second speed and a 120rpm rate of fire.

And that out ranges all your air to sea wepaons.

Again out ranges every thing you have that can threaten the valour.



fool, Umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles CANNOT fly above 10km vertically, that is its altitude/ceiling limit. nigerian F-7 jets flew from 13km to 12km in attack dive and climb up immediately without entering the umkhonto missiles 10km maximum altitude/ceiling range. fool

read the 10km ceiling limit at the bottom specifications data-list on the weblink below.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6540:fact-file-denel-dynamics-umkhonto-short-range-infra-red-guided-point-air-defence-missile-system-&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159





Your epe missiels are littel test rockets and unguided. And your satlits can not perform the guidancy in any case.

Why would we close in that close to the coast? And you have never explained how you will run the logistics for all those guns.


Because they will chewd up and spat out.

Nigeria does not have air lanched exocets.

Yes because the anti supmarine that is why

How you going trake them 24 hours. Just because you want them to be.


i did not use any of those other weapons at all, i used only NNS ARADU and F-7 jets, Alpha jet, MBB 339 jets, etc ur

only a fool like you south africans cannot use 20 coastal radars, 2 satellites, several spy balloons, 4 ART-42 Surveyors, to track warships that are bigger than 10 houses each. soweto fool


Thus giving our subs free rain to deploy recces to conduct sabotage has you have blocked your self in.



you think you are fighting Togo or Congo republic ? nigeria has about 10 different navy bases in 6 different stales along the coast, how do you know which harbour NNS ARADU is hiding ? fool



Really. From 50 km away we can still stop enough ships to effectvly starve nigeria concidring those bulk carrers have to sail beyond that rang sooner or later and we can trake them with radar and interdect with rhibs(since you know your fleet is hiding)

you can run to 50km or even 400km away from nigerian coast, F-7 jet has range of 850km and MBB 339 jets have range of 1,750km. they will reach your valour warships and sink them, FACT !!



No the valour easly stops the missiels with var better defences sytems and returns fire to sink you littel boat.

And all your fighters are shot down the end you loose again because you are fool.

You going to fire AAMs at the valour? Ok you crazy. They not going to hit the valours ECM suit and ir masking sytems make it prety hard target. Not to menstion how you going to guid them for the termnail phase? With a air searth radar?

All of witch put you in range of death.

Even if a umkhonto does exploded it is containted to the cell.

You missiels all missied because you launched air to air missiels at a ground target from a fight with out the proper rader sytem to even trake a valour. I don't even think data link to perfom a attack from that range. Then they all shot down when the close in to closer to use rockets.

No nigeria looses it's air force in there own waters.



Onc again you show you are a utter fool with zero knowelge of what you speak. Best stop embarsing your self



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at 13km to 12km, all nigerian jets fly boutside range of all south african valour frigate air defences. umkhonto limit is 10km vertical. DENEL CIWS gun is 4km limit upwards. 76mm Otomelara gun CANNOT fire backwards to protect the warship where nigerian jets are attacking from...the back of the ship...its weak point.


7km rockets are only used after the Valour frigate 16 anti-aircraft Umkhonto missiles have finished due to their use in defence against F-7 jet 22km range missiles.


ATR-42 Surveyor electronic warfare systems neutralize the valour frigates electronic warfate suite, the ATR-42 serves as command and control fro the F-7 jets.


the F-7 jets PL-9C missiles are not radar guided, they are infra-red guided and optically controlled by pilots sight/targeting systems.


at PL-9C missiles speed of 3,500km/hr it takes only 15 seconds for it to reach the valour frigate from 13km altitude, and the F-7 jet pulls up again...a simple air to ground attack tactic since world wars I and II that air force pilots have been using to sink weaken great navy warships like Graf Spee and Bismark battleships successfully.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Swordfish


same way an F-7 jet will fire downwards on an enemy aircraft below it in the air, e.g. intercepting an enemy helicopter, same way it is above the valour frigate and will fire down on it...air to air missile does not prevent a missile from firing down on a target below it when the pilot has dived at 45 degrees angle on the target and is looking at the target with his two wide open koro koro eye...use your head if you have one...fool [/b]



i notice on this forum that you dont really know about battlefield tactics especially when it involves heavy weapons of air , land, sea combination.

you know more about rifles and their bullets...thats because you are below sergeant rank in your south african navy.

a major combined armed forces military operation is too advanced for your low level military training.

sorry i cannot save you from your own thinking problem

south african navy is sunk to sea bottom by nigerian air force . FACT !!


the common air to sea combat tactics used since world war I in 1918


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p79OTRbNNHg
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can it carry all 40? no. thuse numbers mean nothing since it will not live to get home.


ok


amebo drons are still under trails and not certfied. but that is not my point show proof the ATR42 in NAF has drones certfied to be launched from it.

all of witch is done with asstaince from fir control computors(even the WW2 and lets face it they missed a lot) your fights will not have that help. so again they will not fire from 7km away.

the gripen is mulit role has in more than one primary role. it secondary roles are elint, martim patrol extra.

Now try finding a target that size in a very busy ocean. It will blend in to the background. This was done in angola against cuba and USSR with strike crafts. By the way nothing is fully stealth. All stealth does is decrease the range of dedcstion and cofuses the operators.


Mig 21 lancer
http://defense-update.com/news/lancer.htm

It even better than your F7.

One valour can carrry up to 2 32 umkhontos. And again you shooting IR AAMs at a ship. From the rear has while we can ignore them or test the 35mm on them for fun.

A spy ballon that has what range, speed and operstional level?

And what is that spy baloon, maned. Your amboe drones are not even operstional yet so I dount the baloon is.

You mean behind were the 35mm gun is. And why can a valour not you know turn.

You still want to fire IR guided AAMs and a ship that got a tiny IR signuter and could just use wetting to remove the rest and fire flares to spoof the AAMs. Again you are being a fool to try and use a AAM vs a ship.

It carrys 16 durring peace time. Do you think we will send the valour in with only half the potsiol SAMs?


Look at a pic of the valour and count the number of VLC. You get 32.


Any thing you drop from 10km will miss. So your point is invalid

Wether you used them or not is not the point. You claimed your satlits could guid them 120km. A total lie.

Google earth pro.

We not hiding from your air force. Far from it we would love to knock them out.


And you littel jets fly around to scared to come with in there wepaons range. Since nothing you have can hit us from 10km away

Only we did not. We pre wet the ship, firied flares and used the 35mm gun.



You really think you can fit a better EW sytem in your ATR42? Remember we sell EW sytems to the country that make the EW sytem for it.

Wrong. If you fire from 22 km away it uses the fighters radar to guided it in. Once close enough the IR seaker head takes over.

And again your attack does nothing.

Again it not set up for AIR to surface.

I told you don't embarses your self again. Best next time to head my warning.

agaugust: nigerian navy underwater divers and special forces too can go to simons town navl base and plant bombs on all south african navy valour frigates and sink then in your country too .




2 south african special forces soldiers drowned in the sea during the training exercise.

if it is nigerian soldiers now, you south africans will all start posting rubbish that they are not good enough and that south africa has the best special forces in africa bla bla bla

not laughing at the dead...may their souls rest in peace.

....but these are the same south african navy sea borne special forces that @saengine was replying to my last NAF/NN vs SANDF navycombat simulation, that they will jump into a small boat from Valour frigate in nigerian waters during the naval blockade and paddle boat to nigerian navy base and enter the base, walk like spirits into NNS Aradu and plant bombs on Aradu and blow it up

the same south african special forces that got carried away by water during multinational training

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And they going to get there how, swim all the way from nigeria? And there are means to stop divers but that is reshearch for you to do.



Some may, but I would hold of on the moking till more info(if any) does come out. The 2 boats capsized so it was a vilonet event. The best swimmer in the world will drown if knocked out. And SF members die quiet offen durring training. There is a saying.

Train our you fight.

Henry120: Yeah, it's a pity, and quite saddening. the military, and been a special forces soldier in particular is a dangerous job.

I know of a marin that sliped and fell in to the ocean whil in full gear. He went straight down.

If you watch saving privat ryan beach assult there is a solder who gets tageld with his straps and gear and drowns.

Henry120: Three Special Operations Troops Drown During Exercise
by African Defence Admin • October 7, 2013

Three foreign members of the special forces participating in the SADC war games drowned after two boats they were using capsized during an early morning operation off the coast from Sandwich harbour.

The bodies of two soldiers – one from Malawi and another from South Africa – were washed ashore while the body of another South African is still missing. At the time of going to press, an intense search for the body was in progress.

According to available information, the incident happened between 03h00 and 04h00 yesterday [October 6] morning during an offshore operation involving four boats and a total of 32 soldiers. Two of the boats capsized due to rough seas. About 16 soldiers were affected by the accident.

However, besides the three, the other members of the team managed to swim to the shore.

The tragedy struck only days before the exercise comes to a close tomorrow [October 8].

This is the first SADC special forces multi-national war simulation exercise, code-named “Exercise Welwitschia”, held in Namibia. It started last month. More than 700 soldiers from eight SADC nations participated in a variety maneuvres around Walvis Bay and along the coast. Namibia was chosen to host the exercise because of its desert environment, believed to offer unique exercise conditions for the special forces.

The deceased could not be identified because of their nationality and the nature and circumstances of the incident. It is believed a special statement will be issued by the Namibian Ministry of Defence.

Erongo’s regional crime investigation co-ordinator, deputy commissioner Ottilie Kashuupulwa confirmed the accident and said that the Namibian police will be part of the investigation into the circumstances leading to the tragedy.

As reported by Adam Hartman for The Namibian

The sea is a dangouris place, at least 16 of them made it a shoar.


My greatest fear is being washed over board.

NaijaPikinGidi: Covert war that only AndrewZA is aware of? SF teams? Deployed in your dreams? What have you been cooking up lately?

Only me? There are 3 books writen about it. There was a milltary funrail for a retied admarial 2 months ago who had a medal for bravary for corvert ops conducted from a sub. Hell even russians knew about it but could not stop it.

I was to busy making you a new brother in your mother to cook food for you.

Augustine Again:
i am not a novice in military warfare. when i have scored a clean and clear goal...i know it.

i will reply your senseless comments in detail later only when i have time to waste a little. the battle is already won...i have peace of mind.

R.I.P south african navy valour frigates....nigerian sea waters is your final resting place.

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In stead of embarsing your self why don't you admit you a ignorant fool with rocks for brains.