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[quote author=hunter2,1]What i don't understand is if the sbs actually wears this blue camouflage pattern on operation. I have seen pictures of them wearing it in mali and borno. Does this camouflage pattern do well to hide the sbs operatives in those enviroments?[/quote]The NN suffers from america is awsaomness. The USN wears blue camo so they want to(though you desighn is chines). They should be wearing the apropert army camo.

The best thing for a army is when a unconvivsniol enemy tries to fight a convinsniol war. Aske siri lanker. For years the tamil tigers where a thorn. The tigers became so strong they formed a mini country. And then got there ass handed to them. The somliy miltants tried the same thing, they tried to fight ethyopia has equals. But a toyat with a ZSU23 is no match for a MBT.

BH is not a threat to nigeria in the same way M23 is to the DRC or seleka to CAR. BH can not match the nigerians in a open field battel so will never win. How ever the fact that BH can so freely operate in nigeria is insulting. I mean the battel were those 16 nigerians died if I am to beilve agusta was a battel where the army was out numberd 3 to 1, the enemy had better mobilty since they had vechiles, had better fire power and both had the same level of air support aka none. And in your own country. It is insulting.

rka1: And what good photos they were.

Agreed

[quote author=Mike..ZA]Boko Haram is getting armoured fighting vehicles. I won't be surprised if they get main battle tanks soon and start pushing towards your capital,and a civil war blows up. Then militants will arise from the South,screaming "LONG LIVE Biafra!!!!!!!! OUR FATHERLAND". You will delete your account on this forum and become a refugee in Ghana. Kwame.tut will kick your as.s everyday!!!! GET IT??!!!!!![/quote]BH would be stupid to try that. That is how the tanil tigers got defeated. They fought a convistional war.


Even FSA who have a lot of trained desserts struggel with useing armour against SAA.

GeneralJ: I don't know, its notliek theres anything wrong with it i just feel like the Special forces need some diversity you know, not just 5.56, they need some 7.62, not just bullpup, they also need rifles and carbines you know. They need to start developing skills with 9mm like the mp5, for urban warfare. just my 1 cent

Most of the photos of the tavor are photo ops. Aka it is just for the camra. Photos of Nigrian SF in acstion has them with AKs

agaugust: do you south africans know the meanining of MRAP ? tell us the definition

also show us neutral and technically competent source that says south african MRAPS are the only ones that are effective, while Israeli, Russian or German MRAPS are failures.

i dont know again if you south africans are on this forum to inform people or just to attack everything i say even if it will make you look like big time fools

http://www.armyrecognition.com/january_2011_army_military_defense_industry_news/the_new_russian_mrap_wheeled_armoured_vehicle_spm-3_bear_ballistic_enhanced_armour_0601117-7.html

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The term MRAP was coined by the US miltary in iraq and afghanstan. SA does not have MRAPs since all our vechiles are mine restent and armoured.

The casspir is the most sucfull MRAP, the desgine was copied by the US.


No matter the MRAP used when one is hit it is stoped only a few AFV such has the rooikat can keep going with missing wheels.

GeneralJ: i'm starting to think the Tavor is becoming over used in the Nigerian Military, i don't know why, maybe its because i've been seeing too many pictures of it,

What is wrong with that.

chris365: wow. i haven't seen any black SADF before. it must have been very tough for them

Not has bad has you think.

Some of the best units in the SADF were mixed chief among them 32 battlion and speciol forces the polieve kovoet were all so mixed.

They were not alowed to become officers for along time and the were no blacks in the old Navy. All so there pay was lower and a bunch of other stuff.


There were all so all the home land armies and the SWA poliece force.


Has was siad in blood diamonds. There was no aparthied in the bush.

Henry120: I do have a question. Did black south africans serve in the SADF?

Yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTKYO9TTkfo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv5MvAXn5KY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BF4-h_0vus

https://www.saairforce.co.za/seed/public/files/article_images/1083/4f6c7c2f17ec8_large.jpg

This is a good pic to bring the point around

Guys in green are recces aka special forces, guys in camo are German Navy marines not special forces but in this regard can conduct tactical mission the guy in blue is a South African MRS(marine) who are the same has the Germans

At a glance they all look like speciol forces but only 2 of them are, the other 3 are highly trained regular solders that focus on close quater combat on board ships.

Does this mean those 3 can only fight on ships? No they can all so fight like regaler light infantry.

It would not suprise me to find out that forghin fighters are in Nigeria. Or that thanks to libya BH has a lot more guns and more modern hardware.

gst101: whats the difference between a tactical team and a special force

All speciol forces are tactical teams but not all tactical teams are speciol forces.

I would not worry to much about those techs holstering there side arms like that. They bomb techs not front line personeal. If they need to shoot some one really screwed up.

I like the hip holster but the waist and chest holsters are all so good. Those one that are in the cop shows where they are under your arm don't look nice.

chris365: arctic is worse than desert boss. During world war 2, hitler's army suffered so many losses due to extreme cold. You can easily adapt to a desert terrain than a cold one.

They died due to not enough cold or winter dress. You go in to a desert with out water death is just has fast.

All so german afv engiens where not able to handel the cold.

Nieth of these is a problem to day.


But both are hostil terrians that can kill you.

agaugust: land mines CANNOT stop nigerian army, we have hundreds of Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles, and we are manufacturing about 3 different types in nigeria so soon we will have thousands of MRAPS.

nigerian army is NOT Togolese or Congolese army....please s.hut up, and stop fooling around !

What about your truks, support vechiels, IFV, tanks, scout cars extra extra.

agaugust: stop misleading people here.

the most difficult warfare in the world is jungle battlefield

next is mountain warfare

next arctic/polar warfare

next urban warfare

last is desert warfare.

go ask the british army why they ran away from japan's army in burma jungle warfare world war II.

stop misleading people here !

That your own list or is it from some actual source. Considring you never had milltary training I wonder how you got to your conclusion.

Would artic and dessert not be the same. Actualy dessert is worse since dehydrastion is a threat a long whith heat stroke.

chris365: @andrewza, i read you post on @henry120's thread that the FN-SCAR has it's problems. am not familiar with weapons spec so can you expantiate a little. cos i've heard several time that the weapon is the most accurate in the world.

Big and bulky. All so there is not a big enough duifreince between the MK16 version and current 5.56mm US rifels.

Basicaly it is rather standard and no better of than the current sytems.

NaijaPikinGidi: Your sense makes no sense yet. You should know the drill by now! Provide proof and not rumours!

What proofe. The algerians attacked with hinds, SA upgraded those hinds.

NaijaPikinGidi: Stay with the rumours!

Considring we upgraded there hinds to the supper hinds it would make sence.

agaugust: current reports from victims say almost all the attackers are black skinny race but may carry british and american citizenship...if i do something now, they will say an american did it...but i am black.

Black and skinny, that could be a lot of places. Even SA

agaugust: you dont use your eyes and head together, only a foolish soldier cannot tell difference between the skinny half-arab face and body of an alshabb islamist from the robust rich kenyans shopping in that mall, i have been watching the kenyan women in those attack videos...they got big azzes men, they really tantalizing...i wont shoot those ones, i wll get her mobile phone number and see her 'after'....get it ?

It seems that many of the attakers are not somlian but may included brits, russians, finnish, kenyan, somlian extra

chris365: rubbish talk from a self acclaimed guard soldier

SA wasn't criticized for losing 13 men cos there must be casualties in war, but for aborting a retaliation for the death of your soldiers. there's a difference.

Really? What would we have gained by attacking CAR? The place was not worth the effort and money and is of no threat to SA.

agaugust: the americans used that large scale attack airforce on a massive vietnamese army of half a million well positioned soldiers, not 300 roaming hide and seek boko haram fighters, you fool

No they would call in support on much smaller forces, they had aircraft like the bronco just for this purpose

agaugust: you too did you go there to do research inside the shopping mall ? we both have the same level of public information so dont claim to have better 'research' done in your bedroom

people are getting killed today based on being asked to recive verses of holy quaran to identify muslims and shoot christians...try CNN news and watch the victims interviews live on TV.

the longer the stand-off, the more people get killed inside.

storm it with stealth and speed, using silenced rifles....it will all be over in an hour or so.

its a bad situation, do something or do nothing, both ways the civilians are gonna die.

i will rather do something...i will storm it.

Again most died long before the army got there.

Stealth only works if the enemy does not know you coming, the first responders ruined any chance of that

So if they have a line of human shield your plan is what just run in guns blazing. your plan will result in the rescuers killing civilians. Maybe Nigerians do not mind the army shooting civilians but the rest of the world does

agaugust: see my friend, if you write this kind of answer in a standard military exam you will fail, unless maybe in a south african military exam anyway

you never use air attack on a jungle battlefield where there is close contact hand to hand fire-fight between both sides or else you will kill your own soldiers by friendly fire.

i have told you many times in this forum, jungle warfare....you dont see human beings from the air, so artillery and jets or helicopters will not see the target, they will just kill whatever they think is moving, including their own men.

there is something called ground operation 'surgical strike' in warfare.

let me ignore the vietnam rubbish you wrote above with wrong information, i know veterans of US army vietnam war with only one leg remaining...you dont meet them to hear the real history...or do you ?

Tell that to the USAF, USN, USMC and the US army air wing who regularly conducted CAS with fast jets, prop plans and helicopters with great success during Vietnam.

They do not need to see the target just know where it is aka bomb grid so and so or bomb that hill, or bomb that building extra extra.

That is hardly the point, more NVA and viet cong died than Americans.

agaugust: the hostage thing is just crap and excuses. the kenyan army has not saved most of the civilians, i have watched over 20 videos of the situation, 90% of the people in the mall ran away and escaped before the army came.

the hostages are getting killed....about 70 civilians dead, the kenyan army is NOT saving them.

the terrorists are NOT negotiating with the government. so its every man for himself.

i saw videos of 20 kenyan soldiers who heard gunshots and ran for cover, i guess they should have stormed the place like the Israelis do.

no wonder no single kenyan soldier has died...but 70 civilians are dead, so who is the army saving ? only itself ?

only 2 terrorists have been killed in 3 days inside nairobi city, in one single building 100% surrounded by kenyan army, police, secret service, and air force helicopters.

with 70 people killed by the terrorists, as an army General, i will storm that shopping mall with 100 commandoes to kill and get killed...war is war...Israeli style !

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This shows you have done little to no research. Yes most people got out with out help, but many more were taped in side, most were killed before the first responders arrived and the army is not even first responders, just because they not talking does not mean they not using human shields. Did they no who was firing, what was around the shooter or even where the shooter was did it not cross your mind those 20 were providing perimeter security. Again most were killed long before the army got there, remember Kenya is not under stat emergency the army is not in charge. 2 killed that we know of an report are of 10 captured

Yes storm in guns blazing putting civilians in harms way and leaving escape routes for them to get out, and Israel would not do that. They would form a perimeter and sweep and clear the building like every other professional force. If you mean entebe that was a Israeli military raid on a hostile country with the aim of getting in and out fast not capturing or killing all those responsible

agaugust: ....you are running away from answering my simple question...which operation is more difficult ? the 100 nigerians fighting 300 free loose and mobile men in a jungle on mountain top, or the 200 kenyans fighting 20 trapped men in a single shopping mall at city centre ?

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The question is like asking what tastes better a KFC burger or a cake. The Nigerians do not have to worry about collateral damage, even if civlians do die they will not be under media scrutiny or forghn tourists, The Nigerians did not have to worry about rescuing people or containing and keeping bystanders safe. Apples and oranges.

Kenya insentient is closer to the mumbia than open warfare.

agaugust: the most effective recce in jungle warfare is the foot soldier. america has control of skies on vietnam, yet the US army gets killed like chicken inside the jungle by vietnamese soldiers.

100 special forces is a commando operation i expect you to know that. boko haram was already gone into hiding in the deepest jungles and mountains, if you launch air strike, you will alert them, they will relocate and you will never catch them.

the british commando doctrine of 'stealth' on foot is the only way to reach boko haram without giving them much notice/time, or else they keep on evading and avoiding contact/battle for ever.

boko haram is NOT interested in direct combat with nigerian army because they know they will be wiped out 100%....only a company or less of commandoes can reach the edge of a boko haram base before they run too far.

this is battlefield tactics, not a text book stuff.

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Did you bother to look at the kill death ratio of the Vietnam war, hell the biggest US loss in the Vietnam war took place when a all infantry force in swamps were hit by infantry supported by AFV such has the PT76. The claim that AFV are useless in in jungle warfare is incorrect. They can still be used expesaly when on say the attack. Does Nigeria not have FLIR cameras to see what is going on.

Yes and your 100 suffered how many casualties and the bulk of the BH still got away. where was the air support to help out durring the attack, where was the blocking force to stop BH escaping.

Yes and if the brits had run the battle they would have recied CAS and a blocking force (could even be Attack choppers) would have coverd the escape rout.

If you know the enemy will break and flee then sending in 100 solders with no means to chase down escaping rebels and no blocking force is bad planing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb53AYC_8TM