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agaugust: since you claim to have attended military academy, answer this question.

which operation is more difficult ?

100 nigerian soldiers vs 300 boko haram fighters in battle deep inside the jungles on top of 3,000 feet borno mandara mountain in nigeria

200 kenyan soldiers vs 20 al-shabab fighters in battle inside a single shopping mall in nairobi city.

could you just tell us which of the two operations is more difficult and why.

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I never claimed that?

Why did you only send in 100? You have complete control of the skies, satellites and air recone. You know how many BH fighters there are and if they still send in 100 that is one major screw up. 100 can not form a perimeter and destroy the enemy. If they only sent in 100(were do you get that by the way) then the high command really screwed up. Typical when fighting a entrenched enemy you need to out number them 3 to 1 but in this case at least match them.

The Kenyan security forces are conducting a hostage rescue and it is a completely different operation, they all so took prisoners

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz1RO8tEdLQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTlUtNlC9Wo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTlUtNlC9Wo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr2lH8FPcwM

kenya

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shTC2i46CGs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brHnexmoyrY

gst101: so your military is this powerful to decide who becomes SA president and who doesn't

No ruller can lead with out the support of the milltary. Look at egypt.

On the issue on the use of pick ups.

The toyat landcruisser beat every milltary vechilcle in it's class that has gone on the the proofing grounds in SA. They easy to maintain, fast, cheap, nimbel and can carry a nice pay load.


They not a front line vechile but you do not all ways need a front line vechile. Remember the HUMMVE has no armour to.

agaugust: https://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02679/nairobi-7_2679191b.jpg



[size=14pt] Kenya's army continues to battle islamic terrorists in shopping mall



i am surprised that all the south africans here are not shouting to call Kenya's army incompetent and defeated

if it was nigeria ? we know what soweto fools will say....

anyway, south africa cannot do better than others if islamists attack shoprite johannesburg

if south african army intervene in somali conflict....then you will know how 'safe ' johannesburg will be soon

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http://www.france24.com/en/2min/20130923-liveblog-kenya-nairobi-mall-siege-shabaab


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl9_uteuZuI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AHyQ4xJGy8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOQ4MmRaax0

There was a major intelgence fallier in kenya. But unlike nigeria the KDF is not in charge of secuirty. And since the attack they have been doing a good job.

They seccuerd a perimter containg them in the mall. They have no cleard the first 2 levels of the mall and blocked them in the 3rd. They have captured 10 terrorists for intergastion and they trying to rescue the remaing hostages so that limts what they can do.


Basicaly I can not fault them since no faults have occured. The only problem I have is the choice in hardware. The SF, reguler solders and cops seem to be all over the place with 5.56mm here, 7.62mm nato there some 7.62mmpact throughin in.

And unless the terrors are drugged up or wearing body armour SMGs are the best choice for this type of fighting. A 7.62mm nato will go through a badguy through the wall behind him and then kill a civlian. Over pentrasion is a real threat.


But the terrosrs could be high has a kite so right now it is the fact that the diffrent units can not even exchange ammo never minde mags.

Henry120: Anyone noticed , since the start of the siege on the kenyan mall, @craigB has suddenly disappeared from nairaland. My thinking is that Craigb might actually be among the attackers currently corned by FN SCAR-H wielding kenyan special forces in the westgate mall. I just can't phantom why he forgot to carry @mike..ZA along

As for @fighterpilot, when infant terrible, julius malema comes to power as the president of "zuid efrika", he would be shipped to mumbai to meet his ancestors

Well the attackers are from all over the place UK,US,russia, sommlia extra.

Julius will not come to power. The guy only has support among a small number of people. He may win control of limpopo though. Any case they guy has no money and money win elecstions.

But the big resoane he will not take over is the SANDF hates him.

Henry120: Omo, I've been watching the news bulletin all day on aljazeera, CNN and TVC news. Those kenyan boys look tight. Their DSS equivalent look like american tactical teams. Well kitted out.

Another thrill for me was seeing kenyan special forces with FN SCAR-H. The world's most accurate rifle. Beautiful sight. It made me wish nigerian army special forces had those rifles.

Speaking of nigeria, I'm still not convinced that the army special forces team now use tavor-21's. Apart from the lone photo you pasted and the one I posted of an army guy, each clutching the tavor-21, I haven't seen any other photo of a army special forces with them. My hope is the army adopts a tactical rifle for her tactical teams. I'm tired of seeing them using AK-47's.

And they did good. 10 captured alive is what I heard.


The SCAR has it's problems.


There are many pratical resoans for a SF team to use a AK47. So they may use the tavour but the operastional needs calls for AKs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS7H_H6pBpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P3PXO_69Ds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao2ZYkaEwKk

Nigerian SF, Senegal SF and USMC

Fynline: Nigeria should brace up!.....i mean u knw how bad pple in this country copy bad things from elsewhere and copy it badly!

Well a terrost attack on a mall was done in a tome clancy book. Though it was in america, it was a small town mall and it was only 3 people and when the first responders arrived they did not take hostages but attacked them.

But then again tom clancly had a 747 fly in to a goverment building long before 9/11. It was the seneant during a adress by the presendt though.

gst101: SA has no threat of islamic terrorism. I dont see it happening anytime soon.

You will only invite them if you want to project power (which you cant)

muslims in SA are not large enough to pull a political power. Thats not the case with Nigeria

We could send forces to somlia but we do not really care about it enough. Though if al shabab knew that a lot of the gear used by the AU was south african they may not like us.



Nigeria is a relgoises cespool of crazyness. Persnaly I think that all extrimest groups (white, islamic, hindue what ever) should all be dumbed on some island with lots of guns. Then when the shooting stopes we nuke it.

NaijaPikinGidi: The propaganda obviously is for your own market, but don't bring the same propaganda here for our consumption! Soon your brainless and uninformed lot will use the misleading notion as a credible source line of argument to claim false DRC operations credit for SANDF.

Did you bother to read the artical? Do you under stand what it says.

Are you saying that the SANDF did not conduct in milltary operastion in the DRC?

NaijaPikinGidi: It took this recent incident in Kenya for some sense of humanity to dawn on you South African lot?





Don't be in a hurry with this last one! Read and assimilate it slowly:

This thread is not about if a country is safe or not. And based on what has just taken place I don't see a need to focuse on the kenyan milltary. They seem to have done a ok job. Remember kenya is not under a state of emergancy unlike nigeria. The kenyan milltary responded in a timmly mannar to this event, they have put up a perimter, evaced civlians and contained the terrorists. And they must be doing somthing right in somlia to piss alshabab of so much.

NaijaPikinGidi: Ain't you just a numbskull? Must you speak when actually silence from you would be a better proposition?



Tick, tick says the clock ... tick, tick ... what you have to do ... do quick!

What are you on about? Al shabab attacked kenya due to there presents in somlia. SA is very good freinds with islamic countries such has Iran. There is no threat of a external islamic group targeting south africa.


The largest mussliem populastion in SA is in cape town by the way. Durban is zulu and indian.

NaijaPikinGidi: It therefore means that the article in its shape and wording didn't have to be pasted here with all the propaganda written all over it since it is for the consumption of your brainless people.

I'm certain you acknowledge the validity of my point even though you are at pains to publicly accept it's reality.

It means target market. It is aimed for south african thus it focuses on south africans.

If it was aimed at tanziana it would focuses on them. Did you even read what the artical was about.

Fighter Pilot: The list is actually endless, I forgot also to include Aerosud http://www.aerosud.co.za/ the civil-military company famous to have designed and manufactured the interior of the new military airbus A400M. They also have the latest upgraded version of mirage F1.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerosud

There is all so

CSRI who just got the first ever ditial laser

http://www.csir.co.za/

And IMT

http://www.armscordi.com/SubSites/IMT01/IMT01_landing.asp

NaijaPikinGidi: Meaning you agree with the author's stance or you disagree? When AndrewZA gets prompted to see sense ... he always finds a way to hide the absence of sense in him!

Meaning it is a artical focusing on south africa. Thuse it is not wrong. If you don't like the wording it is not my problem.

NaijaPikinGidi: You cannot personalise the UN DRC Mission by insinuating that South Africa is the central force/arrowhead while the contributing forces are basically playing support roles! Propaganda has made the writer of the article state falsely that:



Whereas it should be:



The Tanzanian, Indian, and other military forces are not in the DRC by SA's bidding, but by the resolution of United Nations (UN) of the world! I am just pointing this out because AndrewZA's article is misleading in that sense!

Take it up with the author.

more from Kenya

https://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/70055000/jpg/_70055691_2ljbunkj.jpg

https://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/70055000/jpg/_70055642_70055641.jpg

http://www.africandefence.net/what-the-drc-tells-us-about-south-africas-army/

The ongoing fight by the South African Army and its allies in the DRC has thus far been going quite well. With material gains made against M23, who has now been pushed out of the Kibati Heights and have yet to make a serious threatening move in retaliation, the doubt surrounding the SANDF’s contribution to this mission is somewhat lifted. But just how solidified is the SA Army’s capabilities?

The SA Army resembles a collection of pre-1994 officers and senior enlisted personnel from both the old former South African Defence Force (SADF) and various liberation movements’ armed groups, such as the ANC’s MK. Combined, there is a wealth of experience on irregular warfare, both in practicing and countering it. But the DRC and Bangui are different battles. In this modern low-intensity conflict environment, the good conduct of SANDF soldiers could either be a result of this historical experience in combat, albeit not in this current form, or of a genuine in-house development of the new generations of soldiers being trained since the end of apartheid.

Developing a tactical doctrine for modern conflict requires a significant depth of academic and military analytical thought, something which the SANDF possesses, but only in specific areas of expertise. There is distinct lack of fresh postgraduate thought entering the military at any level, whether regular or reserve force. As such, much of the current tactical approaches which we see in the DRC (at a surface level at least) is a result of lessons learned from a historical SANDF rather than one on a permanent modern conflict footing. Put simply, the SANDF has not experienced this tempo of operations since it was at war with Angola, and as such one must question whether the current operations are being done so proficiently because of older officers and NCOs rather than a peacetime, complacent military.

In essence it is probably a mixture of both old guard and new, individual soldiers who are holding their own and conducting themselves well that is contributing to an overall capable military. But what happens twenty years down the line, when the last postgraduate in the SANDF leaves and the officers are retired? Although the budget concerns are a short term priority for the military, a thought must be spared for the Army’s future doctrinal thought, and just how it will attract the right minds to assist in developing a post-bush war era military

A guy there has a ranger Tab

agaugust: why did white christian IRA terrorists attack white christian city of London ?

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prosteds vs cathlics there is your answer

agaugust: you have no 'spiritual prophetic power' to predict the future....

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No, but why would a extremist group attack SA?

agaugust: dont be a fool, go to church and pray that south africa does not see an alqaeda determined terrorism...american had never believed september 11 was possible until osama bin laden proved mighty america wrong....dont talk like a fool...talk like a soldier if you are one !


kenya is a lesson for you....pray that little boy is not your son, maybe one day


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The US had a lot of warning about a attack.

SA is not seen has a target by any extremist Islamic groups and we do not have any groups of that nature in SA other than pagad who had a extremist element that was delt with.

Kenya on the other hand is very active in Somalia.

SA has no threat for extremist groups.

agaugust: .

[size=16pt] 59 killed in Kenya shopping mall terrorist attack [/size]


http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/59-killed-in-kenya-mall-attack-hostage-standoff-continues-1.1465284


i am waiting for south africans here to say kenya's army too is weak and failed ...like they say about nigeria....then i will pray for an islamic terrorist attack on johannesburg and lets see how your south african army will ensure that NO SINGLE HUMAN BEIGN DIES


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There police and intelligence agencies failed. We had a few terrorist organizations that either tried to or did conduct bombings. None are a threat

agaugust: ...same with south africa....chinese modern stealth warship well equipped with longer range missiles for $250 million will do a better missile combat than the german valour frigate of $400 million

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_054A_frigate

Really? Do you have proof to that cliam.