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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_m-S9PW5vY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEA85NIih4Y

old vedioe of the cheater C dog fighting tornado from Germany dated 1990s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqTz9ZvrRsU

agaugust: Britain is number one in that league

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They do not even care about you any more.

rka1: You didn't say that when BH were killing civilians. Now, when they are killed, it is "something will not be fixed by killing people".

Until the ideology is wiped out, the military has no choice but to kill as many as they can.

The problem that you are trying to identify is a minority trying to exert their unwanted influence on the majority of law abiding citizens. That, my friend, will never happen.

BH is terrorizing the people they terrorists. Say a dog barks is not news worth. If BH built schools i will talk.

And what is the goverment doing to wipe out Ideology mm?


Does not need to happen, because either 2 things will occur. 1 they become a majority 2 the fighting goes on for years.

agaugust: thanks for admitting that south africa too is corrupt and has more murder/killings.

does not matter who does more crime, both nations have criminals. leave it at that . fisile bee, je ko wa bee.

America is corrupt, there corruption is so deep it is not funny.


Considering there are no accurate numbers from Nigeria there is no way of confirming who's murders rate is higher.

rka1: So what? I can also google any country. Are you saying SA isn't corrupt and no murders going on everyday? Nigeria is Africa's most populous nation and a lot of people are hoping for the downfall of the country and can't wait to post negative news all the time.

There are a lot of good things happening, but it doesn't sell papers, does it?

You can continue to ingratiate yourself on the news online, but it won't change the daily lives of Nigerians.

We are corrupt, but not nearly has close has to the level of Nigeria. Murders yes, sectarian violence i far lower.

Why would the size of the population make people want it to fall? If Nigeria fails SA looses money from trad and waist FDI

rka1: You have no idea what you are saying. Which war are we losing? Of course they are still around, it is an insurgency. They don't have uniforms on 24/7 like Seleka rebels, who you ran away from and lost.

The one on extremest. BH is a symptom of something very wrong in Nigeria. That some thing will not be fixed by killing people.

Yes we all so killed over 1000 of them for 15 deaths.

rka1: Don't mind them. They will return to hibernation until they think they have something negative to post. Like I have said, they should tackle their own problems first. Remove the plank from their eyes first

Think

all you need to do is Google Nigeria, go to news of the last 24 hours. Something will come up.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/islamic-extremist-leader-boasts-nigerian-attack-21189591
boasting of attack

http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Nigeria-ignores-sectarian-violence-HRW-20131212
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/12/world/africa/nigeria-rights-report/
the fact that central Nigeria is just has messed up has the north

http://pmnewsnigeria.com/2013/12/13/50bn-fraud-govt-audits-nnpc-account/
And corruption on a epic scale

agaugust: [size=16pt]south africans wont see this one now o ! [/size]



the day one nigerian soldier is killed by boko haram, the SA mofos will post 20 comments on nairaland.

only in pretoria have i heard buffoons saying that the army that pursues the enemy running away and kills them in ratio 10:1, is losing the war.

anyway, south africa is a nation where schizophrenic madmen stand beside world president s to work, so what do we expect from them ?

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Who cares, the fact that BH is still around is a fact you loosing the war.

agaugust: DENEL did not lie, the Umkhonto range was marketed to the world buyers at 15km maximum range, a good marketer would probably have even claimed a longer range than the missile can really go. your own personal marketing skill is equal to zero if you underestimate the power of your product before the buyer.

Umkhonto new 20km range has only been tested and its ceiling only increased to 12km, south african navy has NOT purchased one single unit today, your Valour warships still carry missiles with 15km range and maximum ceiling remains 10km. FACT !!


Alpha jets at 13km directly on the head above your warship will fire 7km rockets and it will saturate your Umkhoto defences with terror and you risk of fire fall debris, F-7 jet is even more dangerous with 22km range missile. i wont repeat old posts already concluded...

go back and read again https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/806

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You never give a greater range than fact, it is all way under estimated.

The new 20km version is just a minor upgrade to a MK2 version. SAN has bought MK2s

You want to fire unguided rockets from above 10000m? You would struggle to hit the correct grid zone never mind a ship.

again all this was mesntioned before but you just say it can be done because you want it to be done. You are a fraud.

agaugust: for one full month on this forum i dribbled all you south african soldiers with a simple riddle you could not solve

nigerian Alpha jet flying at 13km above sea level and a south african navy Valour frigate with umkhonto anti-aircraft missile of 15km range cannot harm the Alpha jet, why ?

i got no answer from the whole of your country, because you are all so foolish you never knew the weakness of the Umkhonto missile is that it has a limited climb height/altitude/ceiling of 10km maximum above sea level.

all you guys do here is to post photos of your shiny painted south african wespons, you dont even know their technical weak points and limits

....dull brain pretoria mofos, nation of fake men and schizophrenic mad people shown on world Tv

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The alpha jet has no means to strike a valour from 13000m it can not even do so from 10000m. All so have you never though that maybe we lied and it has a longer range. Not to mention the umkhonto MK2 had it's range increased to 20km.


If you had in real under standing you would know these things.

agaugust: i have been one year on this forum, by now you should know that if i said i saw a weakness on a weapon after careful study...i really saw it.

so why dont you just shut up and wait for me to tear your over-rated rooivalk helicopter into pieces tonight ? fool

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You have yet to show a weakness in any of your posts. Ever single one of your points get debuffed for the dribble it is

to add to the rooivalk EW systems, it is so good even NATO countries use it.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=33036:german-air-force-order-highlights-saab-grintek-defences-self-protection-business&catid=7:Industry&Itemid=116

agaugust: ...and you said the man who complained about the quality of your submarines had zero knowledge...now you say the submarine had machanical failure and crashed to sea bottom

you dont even know how to your tell lies properly

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please these events are not uncommon. Nigeria would probably do worse and be like India have it sink along side.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/14/us-india-submarine-fire-idUSBRE97D02920130814

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1337832/HMS-Calamity-First-ran-aground-collided-tug-Now-Britains-1-2bn-flagship-submarine-breaks-day-service.html

hell canda has 6 subs but struggles with one in the water at any given time.

agaugust: .
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major weakness of south african rooivalk helicopter gunship now exposed

.....reason why it is NOT the best in the world, and so easy to shoot it down by anti-aircarft

coming post for tonight [/size]

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O no not another one of your dribl posts only you and your moronic friends beilvie.

The rooivalk is armoured up to 23mm fire, has a low IR signuter and advance EW sytems so i await your report.

Uyi Iredia: I had the impression the International Court Of Justice handles such matters.

You mean a European court with European judges?

How much aide has the west given African countries and still do, and a lsw suit is pointless if you can not force the accused to pay up is found guilty.

And at what court.

cutievik: @ Henry120,it pains me whenever I see an hilux in a photo with special forces,it's just so demoralizing!

Why, Even the US Speciol forces use pickups. The South African Army put a land cruiser across it.s cross country course anmd it is the best in it's class.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32507:exercise-seboka-2013-underway-at-lohathla&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

Exercise Seboka, the annual single largest force preparation effort by the South African military machine, is underway at the SA Army Combat Training Centre (CTC) in the Northern Cape.

Twelve units from the landward force are taking part in the exercise, scheduled to finish on November 22.

As with last year’s exercise the headquarters element is again provided by 46 SA Brigade. Other units taking part are 4 SA Infantry Battalion, 4 Artillery Regiment, 10 Anti-Air Defence Regiment, 1 SA Tank Regiment, 1 Special Service Battalion, 2 Field Engineer Regiment, 1 Tactical Intelligence Regiment, 1 Signal Regiment, 13 Military Provost Marshal, 16 Maintenance Unit and 10 Field Workshop.

This is one unit more than was allocated to last year’s exercise at the same venue.

Elements of the SA Air Force and SA Military Health Services are also taking part in Seboka 2013 but details were not available at the time of publication.

The exercise tests the state of combat readiness of the SANDF’s landward forces for conventional operations with the emphasis on command and control. To this end the exercise is usually set up as a friendly force vs opposition force encounter where certain points have to be taken, air- and bridgeheads established as well as retaining control of these in the face of attacks.

In addition to allowing officers to hone their planning, control and command skills, Seboka is also a live fire exercise with troops demonstrating various battlefield skills, from orientation through to movement onto and through designated targets.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32504:limited-funding-not-stopping-sandf-reserves&catid=55:SANDF&Itemid=108

The Reserve component of the SA National Defence Force (SANDF) is increasingly being called on to supplement the regular force, particularly regarding border protection, with Reserve Force units also contributing more manpower for continental peacekeeping operations.

“External deployments by the Reserves in peace support operations continued and Reserve were also successfully employed on border safeguarding duties,” the Department of Defence and Military Veterans (DoDMV) said in its annual report for April 1, 2012, to March 31, 2013.

The total strength of the Reserve Force was 19 812 with more than 70% - 14 285 – called up for varying periods of time in the previous financial year.

An update to this comes from Major General Roy Andersen, Chief Reserves, who recently told defenceWeb this calendar year to date has seen more than 13 000 Reserve Force soldiers called up as part of the border safeguarding Operation Corona, comprising a major component of the SANDF’s internal duties.

As far as the policy, strategy and planning objectives for the Reserve Force in 2012/13 are concerned, all were over-achieved, according to the DoDMV report. This was 80% more than targeted in call-up terms and utilisation of active reserves. This, the report notes, was due to “internal and external operations causing over-achievement of Reserve utilisation”.

This increasing use of part-time soldiers, acknowledged by former Defence Minister Joe Modise as being “an indispensable element of a country’s defence” is also being hampered by a lack of funding. The plan to revitalise and transform the Reserves has been approved by the Military Command Council “subject to the availability of funds,” according to the annual report.

As far as attracting more members, particularly those who can fill the “scarce skills” identified by the SANDF, the Reserve Force has rolled out its University Reserve Training Programme (URTP) to 11 institutions of higher learning since 2011. URTP operates across all four arms of service has the past financial year saw 54 members complete their basic military training (BMT) in the Free State. In the Western Cape 105 members, made up of 74 SA Army, 11 SA Navy, 13 SA Military Health Services and 13 from the Logistics Division, also completed BMT and are undergoing office training.

Just before the financial year-end a URTP recruitment campaign in Gauteng and North West drew 925 applications.

On challenges facing the Reserves the report notes: “The feeder system to provide the required number of new Reserve members is inadequate and is further affected by limited continuation training funds”.

rka1: My point exactly. These stories are from unreliable sources and often disgruntled people or just merely one publishing house copying another or trying to outdo one another.

It is a known fact that there are not many good defence correspondents in Nigeria as most can't tell the difference between an APC and a MBT not to talk of a fighter aircraft and a helicopter.

or call a APC a army personnel carrier.


Beageeel was ok but he has been gon for some time

rka1: http://ozziesaffa..co.uk/2013/09/south-africa-sandf-in-big-trouble.html

Link above. You have missed the point. Nobody has said we haven't got problems, afterall, nobody can be more critical of Nigeria than Nigerians. Your fellow SAs like to paint a rosy picture of SANDF and try to ridicule the Nigerian Military. I am very happy for a healthy debate to take place. Also, I am ready to go down the same line as they are.

Yes, the Nigerian military have made mistakes, but they always learn and adapt, afterall, a couple or so years ago, they didn't know too much about CT/COIN operations.

The link is from a blog of a person who is a known racist, who has zero insider knowledge and is a coward who ran away from SA to Kangaroo land.

I never needed the link since i saw the story back in 2012, i want you to post to to confirm my first point. If you want to try and discredit the SANDF there are a few articles on defence web that do a lot better job, or daily mavericks, IOL and many others where the authors are every thing from high ranking SANDF officers, provincial military connectors and military analysts sometimes all 3 in 0ne

agaugust: both you Andrewza and craigB are fools, your source is an America based newspaper that messed up with fake photos and fake claims in the story, NOT a Nigerian army/government source, it is a liars' foreign report....

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/ap/ap/top-news/islamic-attack-128-dead-in-nigeria-state-capital/nbbnp/

the fake story newspaper journalists were all sitting down in their America offices 10,000 km away outside Nigeria, and reporting what they never saw on a nigerian army/police vs boko battlefield, and you swallowed their fake claims...fools

you have a coconut head and yet you dont use it, then you get messed up on this forum, we all laugh at your foolishness

....you also drowned inside the muddy mess with the journalist because you were even more foolish than he was.

sure you will be a very incompetent and careless military officer if you become one in future

fools always end up the way you did....in a big mess

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They not the only news sight to have report this, and regardless of the pics witch you think is fake, the sequence of events was given by your government and reported by your pres. So either the media or government is giving false information. Witch one

Are claiming ADAMU ADAMU and MICHELLE FAUL are deceiving everyone. You may look them both up, they live in nigeria a place you cliam not to live yet know more about that people who live there.

rka1: It's all going pear shaped;

04 September 2013


South Africa: SANDF in big trouble


I hope President Hopey Changey Obama isn't going to be relying on the South African National Defence Force to help him out in Syria anytime soon as it seems that the SANDF is on the brink of collapse.

The collapse is being blamed on (among other things)......wait for it..........drum roll please.........here we go..............ta-da: an exodus of highly-skilled technical staff.

You don't say? You mean that Black South African affirmative action types aren't up to the level of the highly-skilled technical staff (read Whites) which the ANC slowly but surely has been ridding the SANDF of?? Say it isn't so...

On top of that, the ANC is starting to run out of money so chop-chop goes the defence budget. It seems that nearly two decades of stealing money from tax payers is finally starting to catch up with the ANC.

But, that's not all the ANC has done to "lose" money of course. Not only have they been stealing left, right and centre, but they're intent on further destroying the economy by hounding the White skilled labour out of the job market, thereby reducing job creation, competence and global competitiveness. Add to that all the strikes; the jabbering of nationalising mines and foreign companies; the chatter regarding land re-distribution and foreign land ownership; the weakening of the rand; the cost of fuel etc. - put it all together into the Communist blender and you end up with Zimbabwe Mark II.The same Zimbabwe which today can't feed its people.

They may as well change the name of the country to South Zimbabs.

But, I digress.

Last I heard, of the three South African navy submarines, two were out of commission. One, because some affirmative action idiot blew the electrical circuit on one; and the second because some affirmative action monkey slammed the submarine into bottom of the sea floor. And seeing as there's no skilled technical staff to fix the damage, both subs have been out of commission for years now.

And the other last I heard, most of the air-force planes have been moth-balled as there's no money for maintenance or fuel to fly the planes. So, pilots have either been let go (the Whites first naturally), and the affirmative action ones left don't have enough flying hours to fly the planes should they really need to. Zimbabwe even bought some of the SANDF's helicopters to help their ANC buddies out......

Yes, peeps, this is the result of putting backward monkeys in charge of a once functioning, developed country. A country which HAD one of the best military's in the world. A military which kicked East German, USSR and Cuban butt in Angola. All carried out by a bunch of 18-yr old White boys led by some exceptionally intelligent Boer Generals. They sent the Commies packing with their tails between their legs.

What a sad day this is for South Africa. Actually, scrap that. That sad day was the day Fwit de Klerk and his merry band of traitors sold our country to the Black soulless ANC Communists.

I wonder if they're proud of what they've done to the country?

Sadly, THIS is what's protecting SA today......eish!

The SA National Defence Force is on the verge of collapse.

With dwindling budgets, an exodus of highly-skilled technical staff and reduced spending on training and equipment, the defence force - according to military experts - can barely meet its constitutional obligations.

Increasing international demands and frequent internal deployments - such as the recent presidential announcement of the deployment of hundreds of troops on crime fighting operations over the next four months - is putting further strain on the already overstretched armed services.

The army has nearly 2000 troops on peacekeeping missions in the Democratic Republic of Congo and Sudan, and military trainers in the Central African Republic and the DRC.

The defence force has military observers deployed under the AU and UN flags in Ethiopia and Eritrea. The navy has a frigate, and air force personnel and aircraft, in the Mozambican channel and Mozambique deployed on anti-piracy operations.

Military analyst Helmoed Heitman said the defence force was now collapsing.

"We have huge sections of the budget spent on salaries, with equipment and training left lacking. We are hopelessly short on manpower - 20000 troops too few - and porous borders that cannot be guarded properly," he said.

"We have pilots who can't fly [sufficient] hours, troops who have been given limits on the amount of ammunition they can use in training, and equipment, such as our frigates, which cannot be maintained because there is no proper budget.

"The defence force is collapsing. If drastic action is not taken soon, in the next three years it will be beyond recovery."

The Defence Department received just over R34-billion last year from the Treasury. Its current budget of R37-billion is expected to increase to R39-billion in the 2013-2014 financial year. Professor Renfrew Christie, dean of research at the University of Western Cape, said the military's budget needed a drastic increase.

"We spend 1% of our gross national product on defence. We need a military capable of looking after our country with the time now coming to increase spending to 2% of GDP," Christie said. "To do our duty, we need a bigger and better equipped military. The option of downscaling our involvement north of our borders is not an option.

"Protecting our country and its borders is far bigger than just putting up fences," he said.

Retired admiral Chris Bennett, the former naval chief of staff, said the massive "poaching" of technical staff had led to numerous crises in the navy.

"Our military, especially on the technical side, is being bled dry by both public and private industries, as well as by foreign militaries.

"Though the navy until now has managed to stay afloat, things are beginning to bite," he said.

"The right funding has not been given to the military [which is] being required more and more by parliament to do things [parliament is] not prepared to pay for.

Number of points to take in to account.

1: A link to the source please, or are you afraid of showing it to be a white racist and or ex SADF soldier who did not get a contract. Or if the man has any sources.

2 Date of the source is most definitely 2012 in that year all of NAFs J7s got grounded by the way.

3 ANC running out of money? the 2013 budget was over all far bigger than 2012.

4 Defence force got 41 billion rand(far higher than the Nigerian armed forces) and defense and public order got 151 billion rand in total(SANDF, DoD, SAPS, Prison Armscore extra) again higher than the equivalent of Nigeria

5 60% of our budget is spent on personal, this is something that should be 40% a book(for got the name) i have has a well place Nigerian academic put it at 80% for Nigeria thanks to all those veterans from the day of your massive military

6 if SA has these problems(and we do have budget problems) with our far larger budget how is Nigeria copying, o yes your defense department is broke

basically we have problems but they known about and people will not be shocked if we get a larger increase next year. Well in Nigeria you all are living in a fantasyland think you military is A OK but in truth is falling apart. We grounded half our fighters and put them on rotation in the same year this article was written NAF grounded all there fighters and only thanks to pakistan got them in the air again.

agaugust: that building has no single sign in this world that it is a nigerian army barrack, even a local garrison of nigerian army in a remote area has our colours and the gate entry is standard size for heavy artillery and heavy armoured tanks to drive in through, northern nigerian army bases are the key battle tank zones...and the army multi-colours red-yellow-green is a MUST on the walls and on the ground !!

the photos below show remote locations' small nigerian army barracks in other parts of the country, and our barracks roads are always tarred with asphalt, that fake photo is just sand like semi-desert.

https://naijabizcom.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Nigerian-Army-Barracksnaijabizcom.jpeg

[img]http://beegeagle.files./2012/04/military-sentry-post-20120417-1451.jpg?w=640[/img]

i remember how you south africans were fooled by such a fake story a few months ago, you just get fooled so cheaply

http://beegeagle./2013/05/08/battle-of-bama-the-nigerian-army-thwart-insurgents-raid-on-202-tank-battalion-photo-evidence-suggests-barracks-was-unscathed-as-terrorists-were-halted-at-the-gates-reuters-photo/

https://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2013/05/08/368616-nigeria-islamist-raid.jpg



the civilian building in the fake photo is what hausa/kanuri/fulani tribes build with those type of house door entrance called KOFAR GIDA in their language....you got fooled with fake army APC, now you got fooled with fake army barracks...

all south africans are fools....only God knows how many soweto/cape town girls i will fool if i come to your country....i will just be making all your girls pregnant by fooling them....and then i run away after that

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if it is fake you are claiming your own govert is faking facts, is that what you are saying

agaugust: that photo is NOT a nigerian army barrack, where is the army's 3 colours, usual ensign, and sentry post at the gate entrance, and the normal standard nigerian army big gate for our armoured tanks and artillery to drive in through ? that photo is a basic civilian hausa/fulani/kanuri family compound.....fool

second photo shows you what a standard nigerian army barrack looks like...there is a basic building standard/model for all our army barracks all over nigeria for easy identitification purposes....fool

fake masters degree lawyer @CraigB, you are more like a high school drop-out, your brain easily betrays you all the time

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you comparing a base in a major city to some small garrison, the term apples and oranjas comes to mind.

[quote author=drag_on]Even at 8hrs a mnth or 2hrs a week,it is piss poor.[/quote]why do you say that? There is no operational need for them to fly.regardless it is a well known fact that we do not meet enough flight hours. How ever considering that, how many hours do the F7s have?

[quote author=drag_on]sad sad state of South Africa Air Force
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/south-africa-military-maintenance-matters-010956/

“To date the Hawks have flown over 10 000 major accident-free flying hours since 2005 and the Gripens 3 500 since 2008,” Gen. Bayne.

3500hrs since 2008? for 26 gripens?

3500hrs /26gripens = 135hrs per griphen in 5yrs?

135hrs /5yrs = 27hrs /yr

27hrs /12mnths = 2hrs /mnth/gripen.

what do they do? fly around the airport and land?
Do they engage in mock operations at all? [/quote]We only got the last batch of gripens last year. So some gripens have very low mileage. we all so rotate them for maintaince.

agaugust: http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/ap/ap/top-news/islamic-attack-128-dead-in-nigeria-state-capital/nbbnp/

the journalist quoted from a source named Associated Press.

Associated Press is an American multinational non-profit news agency headquartered in New York City.

your brains did not tell you that the journalist was reporting from Lagos about a battle in Damaturu about 800 km away, and he was not there to see, and he did copy and paste like you south africans do...and he messed up

all south african are fools so they get easily fooled

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And just like BBC, al jazeera, RT, AFP,reuters, CNN, extra they uses local journalists and sources.

of course he messed up he messed up when calling it a army personal carrier instead of armoured. But that does not change were the APC was stolen from.

agaugust: your fraudulent army too fooled the whole mandela/zuma nation with fake Seleka rebels vs SANDF kill ratio 160:1



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The SANDF never actually mentioned any seleka casualties, even till this day they have not. The Seleka loss come from independent sources using sources than were and are in CAR. And considering Seleka admitted there heavy losses and that there is almost zero medical care in the country (meaning the wounded will die from infections from minor injuries) and that seleka has never refuted their losses(though they claimed to have inflicted higher losses something that we have shown to be a lie) there is zero reason to doubt the losses