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Augustine Again: how will south african special forces leave your ship on a boat from high seas and enter nigerian shores, land, walk into nigerian navy base, enter NNS Aradu and put explosives on the nigerian warship inside nigerian navy base with nigerian soldiers and navy special forces all around ?

you mean your navy men use african spiritual power to move around invisible or what ? you must have received kolomental brain damage from NNS Aradu Otomat missile and your head don dey scatter and your hair turn to dada

NNS Aradu is in safe harbour. all over the world, giant ships dont run aground inside a naval base harbour. Fool

Egypt's navy docked a warship in safe harbour during Arab-Israeli war and it fired anti-ahip missile and sank Israeli navy warship that was on the open sea. you dont know ar history and combat tactics. Fool

nigerian navy will sink the whole south african navy fleet of stealth warships in any attempted naval blockage against nigeria. i have proved that FACT !!!

a warship sitting down in safe harbour under will sink an enemy warship that is exposed in the open sea. educate yourself below, soweto fool


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Service as Eilat and sinking :

But around an hour later, another Egyptian Komar class missile boat from Port Said harbour fired two more Styx missiles at the Eilat. The third missile hit the Eilat amidships, causing more damage and further fires, while the fourth went astray and crashed in the water nearby. The Eilat sank about two minutes later. Out of a crew of 199, 47 were killed and another 41 were wounded "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Zealous_(R39)

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They will leave from a submarine and dive there. Then place exploseves under the hull. Same way it has been done since WW2.

Harbours have save chanels you are blocking with fishing boats. Remember.

The missiel boat was not in the harbor when it fired.

Augustine Again: .



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[size=16pt] Air and Sea Combat Simulation : Nigeria Vs South Africa [/size]

due to the ban i got as @Agaugust making this post afew hours ago, i have decided to rewrite a much shorter and less detailed version of the war simulation to avaoid another ban.

i will appreciate if readers can be honest about the facts in this posts and that the south africans avaoid telling liesw and making false technical cliams just to win an argument on internet....and lose a war in reality

i will start by saying that we have settled some issues with posts i made against arguments from south africans in the past three months :

nigerian navy has 40 otomat anti-ship missiles with range 80km-180km

nigerian air force has about 12 each newly upgraded Alpha Jets, MBB 339 Jets, L-39 Jets, and F-7 jets making a total of about 50 currently upgraded and active jet fighters/light ground attack aircraft.

nigerian air force and NIS have 4 ATR-42 Surveyor maritime aircrafts with radar range 330km

and very modern and powerful anti-jamming/electronic warfare capabilities

nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft has longe range sea search cameras

nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft and also infra red search capability and optical view panoramic bubble windows

nigerian four ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft can all together track 400 targets at a single time and cover the entire nigerian EEZ waters at one single time.

nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft carries and launches drones - UAVs

nigeria has TRACON nationwide air radar coverage of about 500km

nigerian navy has about 20 coastal radar stations covering the entire nigerian coast

nigerian coastal radars have range up over 500km including the new ones that extend down the gulf of guinea.

nigerian F-7 jets have PL-9C air to air missiles with 22km range, Atoll missiles with 15km range and 90mm air to ground rockets with 7km range

nigerian F-7 jets have reconnaisance/spy capabilities and secondary recce/search and ground attack role.

nigerian F-7 jets have radar range between 15km to 37km including air to surface radar capability for air to ground attack

nigerian F-7 jets have HUD and computerized visual range electro-optical sight targeting plus guided missile lock

nigerian alpha jets have bombs and rockets for air to ground attack.

nigeria has spy satellites

nigeria has spy balloons

nigeria has drones - UAV

nigeria has 660 artillery guns including 50 mobile palmaria 30km range artillery

south african navy Valour frigates stealth capability according to Blohm + Voss, the designers, claim has the radar signature of a vessel one-half her size, and still has infra-red emmisions making it visible to radar as a 60m size warship instead of the actual size of 120m.

on a radar screen the south african valour frigate will be seen and detected as the same size of NNS Anyam of nigeria a missile armed fast attack warship.

south african navy valour frigate warships are stealth but still very visible to radar for detection and can be tracked and detected by infra-red emmissions too.

south african valour frigate has only 16 umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles and can NOT be reloaded at sea by itself

there is only one CIWS, a DENEL 35mm medium gun on the valour frigate with limited elevation and CANNOT shooot vertically upwards.

the 76mm heavy/main gun of the valour frigate CANNOT shoot down a supersonic missile and cannot fire straight up vertically or backwards due to limited elevation and traverse.

valour frigate's umkhonto anti-aircraft missile has a maximum horizontal or parabolic range of 15km.

valour frigate's umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles CANNOT harm any aircraft flying at 11km above sea level becasuse the maximum altitude the umkhonto missile can climb vertically up is only 10km.


ASSUMPTIONS :

nigeria will not use home made Epe rockets/missiles said to have a range of 120km and linked

to satellite guidance

south africa's 3 valour frigates survived miraculously from the thousands of coastal artillery

shells fired by nigerian army in a surprise attack.

nigeria and south africa will not import any new weapons, equipment or ordnance

nigeria will not use the 2014 delivery two new stealth warships on order from china

nigeria will not use the super puma and puma helicopters that are equipped to launch nigerian navy's 40 exocet MM38 anti-ship missiles

nigeria not use any of 12 Fennec anti-submarine helicopters on order from france

there will be NO 3rd party foreign military intervention force from any other country.


ENGAGEMENT :

3 south african navy valour frigate warships enter nigerian EEZ waters to effect a naval blockade of nigerian seas.

the enemy ships are sighted and tracked 24 hours by nigerian satellites long before they arrive.

they are also accompanied by 2 Type 209 submarines.

all nigerian warships are withdrawn to safe harbour and behind decoy of fishing vessels, thus beyond reach of enemy submarines in shalow waters and harbour.

the 3 south african ships daily patrol the entire nigerian waters in this invasion, from continental shelf to exclusive economic zone limits.

all nigerian radars from coast and aircraft, as well as space satellites and spy air balloons monitor all 3 south african warships 24 hours daily and communicate location to all military units engaged.

fear of hundreds of nigerian army artillery bombardment from the coast with range 15km to 30km shelling, which would have sunk all the valour frigates, makes them to run away from nigerian coast to 50km off the shores

the above withdrawal already weakens the naval blockade and gives more room to nigerian flat bottom crude oil barges to sail freely along the shallow coastline to export oil as well as the nigerian west african gas pipeline continues oil exports easily to the whole world.

NNS Aradu from safe harbour fires 4 deadly Otomat sea skimming/near water surface hugging anti-ship missiles and sinks a valour frigate to the sea bottom in some minutes.

the other 2 south african valour frigates wherever they are located, are both simultaneously engaged by a squadron of mixed F-7 jets and Alpha jets with ATR-42 Surveyors long range away about 30km giving all needed electronic, radar, and TV camera support of the operations and serving as command and control.

at about 13km above sea level, near stall speed, 45 degree dive attack on stern/aft/rear of the valour frigate, F-7 jets fire with boresight computer/optical targeting, 18 SRAAM guided missiles in perfectly timed sequence/intervals and the valour defends with only 16 umkhonto missiles to stop 16 of the F-7 jets 18 missiles.

(the F-7 jets can also use 90mm multiple rockets for the above attack, and Alpha jets can use 70mm rockets)

if the valour does not defend, the F-7 guided missiles will impact on the ship in about 15 seconds after being fired and could land on an umkhonto launch cell to trigger self destruction explosions on the ships.

the F-7 jets pull up at about 12km above sea level and remain safe from umkhonto anti-aircraft missiles after a reduction in altitude by about 1km during the firing and targeting of the guided missiles.

2 F-7 jet missiles have damaged the valour frigate and the F-7 jets launch 90mm rocket attacks from same rear/stern position of the valour frigates. Alpha jets join in the multiple rocket attacks using both 45 degree and 90 degree dive on the valour frigates and set the ships on fire and punch holes to start sinking.

the south african navy valour frigates all sink in nigerian territorial waters.

the 2 submarines have no support anymore tpo continue the naval blockade on nigeria, also they must return home to defend against a nigerian navy counter attack by NNS Aradu with Otomat missiles, NNS Thunder with armed augusta attack helicopter, NNS Anyam with exocet missiles which can sink the entire remaining south african navy if care is not taken....south africa has no satellite to detect the coming and arrival of nigerian navy warships in its EEZ zone of a massive U-shaped almost 3,000 km long poorly defended coastline.

nigeria wins the naval blockade war, and south african naval power is reduced by 70% with the sinking of 3 out of 4 valour frigate warships.

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You can 5000 ottomats. It is launch platforms.

Can you proof those mb 339 are still in serves.


You talking bull anout your ATR42s. You have no drones they can launch.

Have you ever tried to hit a target from 7km away. Just because it says 7km does not mean you fire from 7km away.

The f7 is a interceptor. All those secondary roles are that. Secondary.

You menstion a lot of radars with nothing to do with the simmulastion. How does radar ment for air control help you out. Not to menstion the valour is stealthie and events that took place in china and exersize with far more compotened nastions than nigeria makes me not worry about your radar.

You bragging about sytems that all fighters since a llong time have. Even a mig 21

Yes those bomb and rockets will force your jets low and close. Making them perfect targets.


That are not on stastion 24/7. Satlites are not the all seeing god eye you make them out to be.

I actualy wonder about this. What is it's range, speed and is it operstional.

Drones that are mostly not operstional but only in the test phase.


All of witch are meangless since we don't need to close in to 30km. By the way I spoke to gunner freind. The 76mm ottolelar has a 20km range but there are 40km rounds comming out soon. Just saying.

Yes that size means it blends in, all so makes EW/ECM easyer to hide/safe the ship. Has for IR the valour exhast gase are water cooled and pumped bellow the water line and pre wetting removes the removes the rest of the ir signiter from the hull and super structer.

Yes but the vallour has far more in eltronics to help it out. Dur to being bigger


So we reload ashore or use DKGB. No frigat can reload there missiels of that size at sea. All so there are 16 extra cells that could lead it to a total 32 umkhotos.

And you going to fly vertcaly down from the top dive bomb styl with umkhotos closing in on you. And the gun has a 85+ elvastion that is prety good better than block 0 and 1 phalnks and the same has the block 18. So your point is?

The 76mm has a 85 degree elvastion and a 360 degree travis at 60 degree a second speed and a 120rpm rate of fire.

And that out ranges all your air to sea wepaons.

Again out ranges every thing you have that can threaten the valour.

Your epe missiels are littel test rockets and unguided. And your satlits can not perform the guidancy in any case.

Why would we close in that close to the coast? And you have never explained how you will run the logistics for all those guns.


Because they will chewd up and spat out.

Nigeria does not have air lanched exocets.

Yes because the anti supmarine that is why

How you going trake them 24 hours. Just because you want them to be.


Thus giving our subs free rain to deploy recces to conduct sabotage has you have blocked your self in.

Really. From 50 km away we can still stop enough ships to effectvly starve nigeria concidring those bulk carrers have to sail beyond that rang sooner or later and we can trake them with radar and interdect with rhibs(since you know your fleet is hiding)


No the valour easly stops the missiels with var better defences sytems and returns fire to sink you littel boat.

And all your fighters are shot down the end you loose again because you are fool.

You going to fire AAMs at the valour? Ok you crazy. They not going to hit the valours ECM suit and ir masking sytems make it prety hard target. Not to menstion how you going to guid them for the termnail phase? With a air searth radar?

All of witch put you in range of death.

Even if a umkhonto does exploded it is containted to the cell.

You missiels all missied because you launched air to air missiels at a ground target from a fight with out the proper rader sytem to even trake a valour. I don't even think data link to perfom a attack from that range. Then they all shot down when the close in to closer to use rockets.

No nigeria looses it's air force in there own waters.



Onc again you show you are a utter fool with zero knowelge of what you speak. Best stop embarsing your self

Augustine Again: hi guys, i just got banned by nairaloand anti-spambot while posting the NAF vs SANDF NAVY war simulation....haaaa...frustrating, i will try again, but will make it much shorter post, dont know why i got bannned haaaaa...very angry

That is because the anti spam boat could smell the ***shit*** you typed.

agaugust: Gripen missile too can miss target.

No south african aircraft or ship can jam a nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor aircrafts NATO standard electronic warfare systems, i posted that with photos and sources early this morning...or are you an incurable m.a.d.m.a.n ?

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Yes but with a 100G manvbielty and data link means that the A-darter is far less likly. with data link and a lock on after launch funcstion it has the A-darter can perform over the shoulder shots(shoot some one behind it) hell techncaly we could tell one that missed to reengage the target. This makes missing far harder.


NATO standard is not how good somthing is, it is a level of standnisation. Aka all nato countries use 5.56mm thuse the brits can now give the germains ammo. Same with 155mm arty and it goes with comms to.

Now EW SA sells NATO countries EW gear so do you really think your plan is safe.

agaugust: show me war history of south african navy moving 15,000 soldiers and heavy equipment to sail across the ocean and fight 4,000 km away from home, show me, thats all i ask...show me now !

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And nigeria has done this? Don't menstion serrie leon or liberria. Reports written by nigerian senior officers menstion they needed western logistcal support and many of there vechiles where not used due to the strain on logistcs.


SAN conducted a corvert war during the border war with a lone ship or sub deploying SF teams. Or evacing solders.

Henry120: More

2 of the guys there don't look kenyan.

[quote author=drag_on]This thread is not just not Nigeria vs South Africa,but top military in Africa.You do not have BVR period, and there are quite a few African Nations that have FACT.[/quote]That is true. But those countries have other short commings.

[quote author=drag_on]I think he is saying don't tell us about your future plans,as far as we know you have no BVR capability.Come back when you have it.[/quote]Both the Adarter and ISRT have 20km+ range. And you should talk only once you have aircraft that can carry a BVRM.

agaugust: nigeria too is looking at JF-17 Thunder/SU-30 Flanker air superiority jets fighters and AKASH 35 km range anti-aircraft missiles.

tell your blind bat south african military to go get a satellite and grow up from 1940 old school blind eye warfare levels

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You tried to pedal this infomastion before. With what proof.

We had satlites before you remember.

agaugust: [size=13pt]its a big lie, a propaganda.

the leaking out of the 8 Gripen pilots secret, 12 Gripen long term storage secret, one missile each per Gripen secret....

has exposed big weakness in south african national airspace security.

your government has now come up with another seleka type of lie to cover up the truth.

why did this same south african government classify the number of qualified Gripen jet pilots as top secret early this year ?

fear that Angola, Uganda can invade and wreck south africa from the air....

Ugandan air force is now superior to south african air force with the deadly SU-30 MK2 Flanker heavy jet fighters leading the Ugandan force of Israeli upgraded MiG 21 and Mig 23 multi-role jets combination
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air power...Uganda SU-30 Flanker multi-role heavy long range jets...terror to south africa
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What leak? All info concerning the issue were from the SANDF.

Henry120: Look at the links @dragon posted. It clearly states that SAAF only has 6 qualified gripen pilots. Is that how you want to defeat nigeria? With 6 pilots.......buhahahahahahahahaha

This is beginning to turn into a hilarious comic feast.



I'm saying that they are legitimate members of the SANDF. Legitimate 1000 SANDF members who went on strike. Pathetic!!!


I was not referring to those nations. I'm talking/typing about the incompetence of the south african navy. You and your colleagues, and your striking soldiers.

No. There are 6 qulfied piolts at all aviabil for 2 squdron. There are total 18 pilots.


It was not a strik but ileagal picket/gathring. All members took leave thuse not a strike.


And I pointed out accedtins hapen. Our sub sufferd minnor damge that was fixed in under a week.

[quote author=drag_on]By the way,the south african airforce does not CURRENTLY have BVR(beyond visual Range) capability.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31884&Itemid=242[/quote]Nore does nigeria. And your F7 can not even launch BVRs. SAAF is looking at both the marvin and meotora.

[quote author=drag_on]oh really,explain this:
http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/South-Africa-Loses-Use-Of-Its-new-Gripens-8-18-2013.asp
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31235&catid=74&Itemid=30[/quote]poor reshearch on your part

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-31821/



SAAF says Gripens being rotated, not stored

by defenceWeb, September 9, 10:34 am

Some of the South African Air Force's fleet of 26 Saab Gripen fighter jets will not be placed in storage but will rather be flown on a rotational basis, according to an Air Force official. Earlier this year it was reported that 12 Gripens had been placed in storage as there was not enough money, nor pilots, to fly them.


South African Air Force (SAAF) Director of Combat Systems, Brigadier General John Bayne, last week told the Seriti commission investigation allegations of impropriety into the multibillion rand arms deal that no Gripens, or Hawk fighter-trainers, had been placed in long-term storage as it would be too expensive to reactivate them.

Bayne said the SAAF's 2 Squadron at Air Force Base Makhado would fly the Gripen fleet in rotation instead, with some aircraft being put in short-term storage between flying cycles in order to minimise the risk of corrosion. Flying hours would thus be spread evenly across the entire Gripen fleet.

And on only 8 pilots.

18 Gripen aircrew (navigators and pilots) have been trained up to operational status to date and 52 Hawk aircrew have been trained so far.

Henry120: Boohooo!!!!!! Liar liar, pants on fire. They are genuine members of your irresponsible SANDF.

It caused a dent because your sailors are incompetent.

So you saying they did not put in leave?

And the brits and french who ramed each other, the russians who lost a sub with all hands, america who sailed in to a mountain what about india who just had a masive fire on a sub. What about them?

[quote author=drag_on]if they (SAAF) have 26 Gripens then we have 16 jaguars lol. Those birds will require lots of time and money to reactivate,once they stop flying.Its a colossal waste.[/quote]We have 26 gripens non of our gripens are in storge due to what you just said.

agaugust: 26 Gripen jets...8 Pilots only

26 Gripen jets....25 IRIS-T air to air missiles, only at one missile on each jet. A-DARTA air to air missile confirmed NOT available till 2014.

12 F-7 jets....more than enough pilots

12 F-7 jets.....more than enough air to air missiles

12 F-7 jets.....more than enough local maintenance in nigeria

12 F-7 jets....more than enough availability to fly anytime, any day, anywhere .

a living dog is better than a dead lion !

i just found out a Valour frigate can be sunk by a few F-7 jets....a tactical use of underestimated weapons, the F-7 has some deadly ground attack weapons that cost many millions of dollars ! i will post a simulation tomorrow sunday...but still writing it up...needs accurate calculations

i wish NAF could use that as a temporary anti-shipping platform till we get JF-17 or others jet.

8 pilots. Show proof please.

The isrt is interim only. And 25 is enough.

How do you know. Has NAF ever made the numbers public knoledge?

No you only have 20. If you want to talk about attol I can bring up U-darters.


Really. Show proof.

Again show proof.


No the J7 in nigeria has only iron bombs and rockets. Wow really nothing to brag about.


The j7 is a interceptor that is it. No better than a Mig21 lancer.

Henry120: Your army is irresponsible. 1000 troops protesting in 2009, that's shameful man.


Your airforce is in tatters. All your gripen jets and Agusta 109 luh helicopters are grounded. Your sailors keep crashing your SUB's to the sea bed.

I do not believe that there can be a more incompetent force than the SANDF.

We might not have gripen jets in our airforce, but all our planes are airborne. What's the use of getting gripen jets if they only would be stored in freezers. You could have as well burnt the money you used to buy those jets.

All those solders put in leave. Hence it is not a strike but a ileagal picket and those involveld are faceing charges.

All? Wow that just a flat out lie. And 1 sub hit the ground well doing a emergancy dive training has a result of a mechnical faluer. It cuased a dent.

agaugust: same way you south africans too brag about Gripen jet with only 8 pilots, and only one missile for each of 26 Gripen jet

NAF has 2 and NIS border patrol has 2, nigeria has FOUR units of ATR-42 Surveyors and each covers 330km by radar and track 100 targets.

the 4 of them can radar cover 1,300km and track 400 targets at the same time....and the whole nigerian coast is only 850km

...we dont need 10 ATR-42, or you want us to help you patrol south african waters too ?

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It is stull more than nigeria.

Is NIS milltary now?


Still you brag about 2 same has bragging about 47BTR3s. Pathetic.

agaugust: Pic show most Seleka weapons are old , out-dated and many rusted....

see photo of those rotten Seleka RPG rockets that deleted south african army....

if it is nigerian weapons now you will say that rocket has expired and cannot kill

...or do you think DENEL sold new arms to Seleka ? fool

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Where is the rust?

agaugust: show me that modern south african aircraft that will challenge the modern nigerian ATR-42 Surveyor...show me.

nigeria is your boss in that area

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You bragging about 2 aicraft? The dakota maybe old but the current turbo dak are mot the same has the orginal.

agaugust: Seleka rebels used old fashioned AK-47 rifles, out-dated heavy machine-guns and rusted RPG bazooka rockets to delete the DENEL modernized south african army from the map of C.A.R.

that $15m so called 'Crap' F-7 jet will sink a $400m super Valour Frigate.

i spent my time to find out the strength of the F-7 jet and i have found it.

i spent my time to find out the weaknesses of the Valour frigate and i have found it.

that epic battle will be on sunday here on this nairaland forum thread/topic, tell your soweto admiral that nigeria will sink his over-rated navy.

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Pics show selka did not use rusted machine wepaons, the RPG7 is not out dated, the 12.7mm used by the USA is older than WW2. And seleka did not increase the range of there wepaons through magic.

How. It will get shot down long before it ever has a chance to threaten the valour.


You are fool who likes to magic your wepaons to be better than what they are.

Henry120: Even US special forces use pick-up trucks

Though that is not us milltary the us hummer is pretty close to a pick up in terms of armour.

agaugust: .

[size=16pt] F-7 JETS SINK 3 VALOUR FRIGATES & NNS ARADU ALSO SINKS THE 4TH SOUTH AFRICAN VALOUR WARSHIP.

WAR SIMULATION ALMOST READY AND WILL BE POSTED HERE THIS WEEKEND BY SUNDAY.

@Andrewza, please confirm with source, Valour frigate carries 8 or 16 Umkhonto missiles per voyage loaded ready in the vertical cells ? [/size]

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16. All source on the valour give that number.


Just point out jour J7 only carry dumb bombs. So they going to all be shot down.

souldust: @andrewza you once said you dont see SA and Nigeria working together because we have different ways we would like to relate ith the world. What do you think are those different ways we want to relate with the world?

We both want to be the big boy. Though I have seen some strides in improving our milltary to milltary relashinship. A joint exersize(maybe with NNS thunder on her return trip or when we sail up the west coast again) could accour in the futer. But we all so have diffrent allies rember ivory coast.

GH PATRIOT: I think some 0f the South African tanks are the Israeli made Merkava or?

Nope all local olfant MBTs

sheyie2007: true, but most, if not all SA manufactured weapons are not war tested hence, making it a risk acquiring them For NA

The m1a1 went 20 years before it fired a shot and was seen has good long before 1991. And a lot of our wepaons and sytems are used in the ME

No one in the western world cares about mugaby. They have zero dealings with the place.

This is not a suprise to me.

Henry120: Congratulations to the republic of south africa. The BADGER IFV or AFV is truly a magnificent beast.

*Just get a bigger more powerful gun, and it becomes an AFV.

The 30mm is plenty big enough.