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o they real did a bad job, blew up the mall, looted the place and ignored israeli intelligence of there being a threat.

Use the RPG in the mall is not my issue, but endagering the lives of civilians with it is.

Henry120: The looting of the stores by security forces is very very embarrassing. Looting by civilians though not commendable is condoneable. It happens in every disaster area, the US, UK, mexico etc etc. The only country were looting did not take place after a natural disaster is japan. However, for looting to have been carried out in such an open, brazen manner in the aftermath of a terrible hostage situation by security forces is unfortunate.


They took the opportunity to "grab and snatch" ; no dullingD

this line made me laugh

"This is Kenya. Let's just face it, what's lost is lost."

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32036:traders-say-kenyan-forces-looted-mall-during-siege&catid=52:Human%20Security&Itemid=114

Store owners in the upmarket Nairobi shopping mall where 67 people were killed this month in Kenya's bloodiest militant attack in years said on Monday soldiers sent in to end the four-day siege looted electronics, jewelry and cash tills.

The government said it took such allegations seriously but had also acted to protect stock in the Westgate center, where prosperous Kenyans and foreigners who frequented the complex could buy iPads, Swiss watches and jewel-encrusted necklaces.

The interior minister said only three shops had reported looting and others had said their stock was untouched.

But in the aftermath of the massacre, store owners and many Kenyans are angry that goods appeared to have been looted even when the troops tasked with hunting down the 15 or so heavily armed gunmen had locked down the building.

"The whole place has been done over," said Tariq Harunani, an optician allowed into the mall late on Sunday, adding dozens of pairs of sunglasses and frames were stolen from his store.

"The watch counters have been cleared, the jewelry shop is empty, there's no jewelry on the necklace stands," he said.

His brother Yasser said: "We know who's done it but what can we do? They ransacked it. The military secured the place and in that time the place is emptied.

"This is Kenya. Let's just face it, what's lost is lost."

The raid has shocked the nation and the world for the brazen way the attackers stormed in spraying people with bullets and throwing grenades, confirming fears in the region and the West that Somalia remains a training ground for militant Islam.

Parliamentarians, visiting the mall area on Monday, said they would determine whether security chiefs had failed to act on intelligence of an impending attack. They are expected to question top officers and others this week.

Traders say they cannot blame members of the public who fled in terror on the day of the attack on September 21 or trickled out from hiding places on subsequent days for the emptied stores, some captured in photos shared with journalists.

Harunani, whose account of ransacked stores was echoed by three others, said he had been hit by a stomach-churning stench of rotting bodies believed to be buried under rubble in the mall. Bullet holes pock-marked the smoke-damaged walls and parts of the ground floor were flooded, he said.

PROSECUTING THE GUILTY

Another trader who sold stationery in Westgate, which was packed on the Saturday lunchtime when the attackers charged in, said dozens of bullet casings lay around a mat on the first floor.

"All the shop fronts have been shot up," the store owner said, declining to give his name. "We've lost laptops and cash."

Outside the mall Harunani and others lined up to be allowed back into the building on Monday to salvage what remained, some with trucks to carry out wares, others with cardboard boxes.

One grim-faced sandwich vendor wheeled out blood-stained plastic tables on a trolley.

"We wish to affirm that government takes very seriously allegations of looting and that those found to have engaged in looting will be prosecuted," Interior Minister Ole Lenku said.

He said only three businesses had reported their stores had suffered such theft, while others said goods on their premises were intact. He did not address who might have been responsible and urged anyone with information on looting to tell the police.

'DRASTIC' RECOMMENDATIONS

The attack on the mall was the deadliest single attack on Kenyan soil since al Qaeda's east Africa cell bombed the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi in 1998, killing more than 200 people. Lawmakers investigating the attack said on Monday intelligence bosses had received warning of an impending strike.

Asman Kamama, who chairs parliament's National Security and Administration Committee said their investigation would determine whether security chiefs had "slept on their jobs".

"We want to know who didn't do what," Kamama told reporters.

Ndung'u Gethenji, chairman of the Defence and Foreign Relations Committee, said their report could include "drastic" recommendations including a "re-think of Kenya's hospitality in supporting refugee camps within (its) borders."

Kenya hosts many refugees from the region, including the world's largest refugee camp, Dadaab, in eastern Kenya, which is home to more than 500,000 mostly Somali refugees who have fled two decades of violence across the nearby porous border.

Kenya's government has been pressuring the Somali government and aid agencies to repatriate the refugees.

The investigation will publish its findings within a month, lawmakers said.

Al Shabaab, which claimed responsibility for the attack, on Monday kept up its taunts aimed at the Nairobi government, which it said had failed to uncover the attackers' identities.

"The futility of the investigation will soon be laid bare for the world to see as they try to piece together this jigsaw puzzle," the militants said on Twitter.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32056:south-africa-only-a-limited-contributor-to-african-peacekeeping--international-peace-institute&catid=55:SANDF&Itemid=108

South Africa’s potential as a contributor to international peacekeeping is “limited” because defence spending has not kept pace with the growth in international deployments, the International Peace Institute (IPI) maintains in its latest overview “Providing for Peacekeeping”.

“Pretoria’s deployment of about 2 500 to 3 000 personnel on peacekeeping duties at any given time appears to be a ceiling,” the Institute’s dedicated peacekeeping website reports.

“While South Africa could deploy more personnel under special circumstances this could likely not be sustained for more than a year at a time.

“The most recent deployment of additional personnel to the Forward Intervention Brigade (FIB) in the eastern DRC as part of MONUSCO will likely stretch South Africa’s peacekeeping capability to its limits. This is because of the limited capacity of the SA National Defence Force (SANDF) to deploy in multiple peacekeeping operations or theatres on the African continent simultaneously,” the independent, international, not-for-profit think tank headquartered in New York said.

As far as barriers to contributing to continental peacekeeping are concerned, the Institute notes South Africa has not always been able to recover costs associated with its deployments. It gives the DRC, pre FIB deployment, as an example saying “Pretoria was unable to obtain full reimbursement for its equipment that did not consistently meet UN standards”.

On institutional and structural constraints the IPI notes that since the mid-1990s the SANDF has had to live with “consistent budget cuts”. This has resulted in a reduction in personnel and the force’s ability to maintain its operational capability.

“Additionally, recent defence acquisitions have resulted in a mismatch between defence funding and the purchase of costly equipment vis-à-vis what was required or demanded from the SANDF in relation to its international deployments. To rectify this in 2012 South Africa considered giving greater priority to developing and maintaining a more balanced set of capabilities, which would need to be appropriate, affordable and adequately balanced with respect to the needs of the SANDF. South Africa’s ability to properly equip and support personnel deployed abroad for sustained periods of time will likely remain a major obstacle impeding further deployments in the near future. In particular, the country is in need of air lift capabilities to deploy and sustain its personnel to peacekeeping theatres across the continent.”

On peacekeeping challenges for South Africa, the IPI points out the “mismatch” between the country’s ambitions and the SANDF’s capabilities undermines Pretoria’s ability to undertake and sustain effective deployments.

“South Africa’s political readiness to deploy its forces into complex operating environments, such as the DRC or CAR should align more closely with resourcing considerations for the SANDF,” the IPI warns.

“This will ensure the SANDF has the operational capability to act on political decisions taken by the country’s leaders.”

The South African National Defence Force has approximately 2 000 soldiers deployed on peacekeeping and peace building initiatives, in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Sudan.

The SANDF has been involved in more than 15 peace support operations, involving the deployment of around 2 500 military personnel. Deployment areas for these operations have included the DRC, Burundi, Sudan, Côte d’Ivore, Liberia, Nepal, CAR, the Comoros, Mozambique and Lesotho.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32061:indian-arms-deal-probe-exonerates-denel&catid=7:Industry&Itemid=116

India's Central Bureau of Investigations (CBI) has closed its eight-year long corruption probe into South African arms manufacturer Denel following allegations that it paid kickbacks to Vara Associates, a company based in the Isle of Man, to help secure five deals between July 1999 and April 2005, to supply the Indian Army with 1 000 anti-material rifles and over 300 000 rounds of ammunition.

Indian defence procurement rules and the country's Prevention of Corruption Act expressly forbid original equipment manufacturers who bid for contracts with the army from hiring any middlemen or intermediaries to influence or 'swing' the adjudication of the contracting process.

According to reports from the Indian capital New Delhi, the CBI dropped the case on Monday after eight of years of trans-national investigations in South Africa, the Isle of Man, Switzerland and the UK failed to prove the allegations levelled against Denel.

The probe started in June 2005, two months after the Indian government stopped all dealings with Denel amid allegations that the South African company had paid 'commission' to the value of 12.75 per cent of the total worth of the arms deals secured with the Indian Army to Vara Associates, based in the tax-haven Isle of Man, to 'swing' the five contracts in its favour.

The contracts involved the supply of 700 NTW-20 anti-material rifles (bunker-busting and light armour penetrating), knocked-down kits for another 300 rifles of the same make and 398 000 rounds of ammunition. According the CBI case opened in June 2005, allegations against Denel were that it had made the pay-offs to Vara Associates, accused by investigators of acting as an intermediary, disguised as technical assistance and consultancy fees.

In the course of its eight-year probe, the CBI sent requests for information to judicial and investigative authorities in the UK, South Africa, the Isle of Man and Switzerland which all reported that they could not find any evidence to support the charges against Denel.

Several employees of Vara Associates and the Indian Ministry of Defence were being probed alongside Denel on allegations of conniving with Vara Associates to swing the five contracts in question in favour of the South African company.

After the Denel deal fell through, India’s Ordnance Factory Tiruchirappalli began manufacturing the locally developed Vidhwansak multi-calibre anti-materiel rifle, which bears many similarities to the NTW-20. Available in 14.5 mm, 12.7 mm and 20 mm calibres, it has an effective range of approximately 2 000 metres.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32028:exercise-african-winds-aims-to-better-nigerian-maritime-protection-capability&catid=108:maritime-security&Itemid=233

Starting on Thursday, the Nigerian Navy will be hosting the combined Exercise African Winds, a programme of the Africa Partnership Station (APS) security co-operation programme of US Naval Forces Africa (NAVAF).

Specific aspects of training will take place in Lagos, Calabar and Oron until October 24, with elements of Dutch, US, United Kingdom and Spanish Marines and Special Forces on the Royal Netherlands Navy amphibious support ship, HMNLS Potterdam.

Company level amphibious raids, marine counter terrorism, sea mine identification and disposal, oil rig protection, riverine operations and insertion and extraction are some of the tasks that will be executed over the 21-day exercise.

In a statement, the Nigerian Navy said African Winds’ objective was to improve the capacity of the Nigerian armed forces to plan and execute joint operations in a maritime environment.

According to US Africa Command (Africom), the focus of NAVAF’s APS is to build maritime safety and security by increasing maritime awareness, response capabilities and infrastructure.

Through APS, Africom and NAVAF work with international partners, governments and non-government organisations (NGOs) to improve African partner nations’ self-sustaining capability to effectively maintain maritime security within own inland waterways, territorial waters and exclusive economic zones.

APS uses the four pillars of developing maritime domain awareness, building maritime professionals, establishing maritime infrastructure and developing response capabilities.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32023:indian-military-orders-saab-grintek-defence-self-protection-systems&catid=48:defence-technology&Itemid=109

Saab Grintek Defence (SGD) has been awarded contracts worth $33 million for the supply of its Integrated Defensive Aids Suite (IDAS), which will be used on the Dhruv advanced light helicopter.

The two orders were received from the Dhruv’s manufacturer, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), which is producing helicopters for the Indian Army and Navy. They follow initial serial production orders received in 2008.

Deliveries are scheduled to commence in 2014. Development and production of the IDAS system will take place at SGD in Centurion.

“With these orders we continue to build on our very successful partnership with HAL. The fact that HAL and the Armed Forces have continued to show faith in the IDAS system is a testimony of the effectiveness and reliability of the solution,” said Lars-Olof Lindgren, Head of Market Area Saab India.

“Saab has an unbeaten capability in the field of electronic warfare and self-protection. The IDAS system is one of our flagship products sold to customers around the world,” said Micael Johansson, Senior Vice President and Head of Saab’s business area Electronic Defence Systems.

Designed from the outset as a fully integrated modular system, IDAS combines radar, laser, UV missile approach warning and countermeasures dispensing functions in a single system controller. Its modular system architecture allows IDAS to be configured for any one or any combination of the three sensor types.

Saab says IDAS has been chosen for many different airborne platforms, including the Saab 2000, Agusta-Westland A109, Super Lynx 300, Boeing CH-47 Chinook, Denel Rooivalk and Oryx, Eurocopter Cougar, Puma & Super Puma, NH Industries NH90, C-130 and L100 Hercules and Sukhoi Su-30MKM.

I would respond to augstien but he has not menstion one piece of new infomastion. Just reapting his same *crap*

Donian007: How about attack helics. I have in time past searched hell for pics to post here for ghana. And why don't they need any, the west african neighbourhood is getting messier and daring.

Attack choppers, no. Armed helcopters yes.

Attack choppers are for fighing tanks and AFV.

Donian007: Please bro, but does the Ghana Military own tanks(MBTs)?

ghana does not really need tanks

chris365: yeah they did. and i don't think it was necessary. i mean there were more than 300 troops on ground aside from other security personnel.

It was a foolish move. Firing a RPG in side a mall is just crazy even grendase are over kill.

GH KWAME: Haha!^^^ I guess n0 South African product can escape your lenses. So what is the name of the truck which is used by the SF 0f Ghana?

The drivers compartment is a dead give away.

Don't know. I know ghana uses piranhas but I believe that for your regualer infantry.

NaijaPikinGidi: AndrewZA ... even a fo.ol knows that her names are Samatha Lewthwaite.

Thanks for the last statement. True confessions!! I rest my case!

That is not the name on the pasport.

They have corrupstion problems not like that is a secrite.

NaijaPikinGidi: And I said:


Otherwise which passport has your Home Affairs minister claimed was cancelled?
Stop your nonsense.

Has I said *fake it was not her real name. How she got it are many up. Home affairs has corruptsion problems though.

Seems KDF blew up part of the shoping mall.

NaijaPikinGidi: What did you just say? This is an authentic South African department of Home Affairs issued Passport with all its security features!!!

Shut the EFF up if you've got no sense to make here!!

I saide fake** don't now why it was sensored.


With out know the detail on on the passport it is hard to say where she got it or how authtic it was.

Henry120: I don't know about other african countries, but for nigeria, the GILA mrap's are part of the 11 GILA's the army purchased from south africa. Infact as far as I know, the nigerian army only use nigerian equipment in her UN missions, as can be seen with the widespread use of otokar cobras by the nigerian military.

Not sure about nigeria. But SA sold a lot of casspirts to the AU mission in somlia and UN in sudan.

GH KWAME: Haha! When you are in Rome, you do
what the Romans do. I 've been 0n
Nairaland to know the meaning sha.



Thanx, get m0re......

Nice camo job on those ratels.

NaijaPikinGidi: AndrewZA ... are you out of your mind? Is that your best response to the security and intelligence flaws just revealed in your overrated SA? How do people acquire ID and passport documents? Acquiring those documents fraudulently is a crime and illegal!! Or did she get it fraudulently because she was white? Defrauding a financial institution is a crime and very illegal the last time I checked ... How come she swindled your fraudproof banks?

My friend please don't come here talking crap! Security lapses and intelligence slumbering are in full display here! SA style. It's happening!! When several pages ago I talked about how easy it would be to breach your Airforce Base in Limpopo and take out your high value Gripen pilots you all kept raving and ranting patriotic nothingness! Face your problems, we are facing ours! Kenya too!

This is stark reality! It's not my place to say much more.

She had a Bleep passport. Not a securty clearance.

Henry120: Shameful answer from andrew. So it would have also meant nothing if osama bin laden, moved to pretoria, fraudulently obtain a south african passport, and owe a few banks by your assertion.

Oya clap for yourself.

It is feard by the brits and americans that terrorist are in SA due to our good banking and the fact we not part of the war on tero. So they do keep an eye here. If osama could cange his identy, get a passport and did nothing to draw antession he could have stayed in SA.


The war on terro is not a threat to SA.

NaijaPikinGidi: You will always go for the low-level issues when presented with high-level realities that you have shamelessly tried to deny! The breaches to SA's "watertight" security, intelligence, and financial platforms are my primary point here. How did she enter South Africa? How did she acquire a geniune SA passport document? You are selectively talking about Standard Bank ... yet how did she successfully get (some several thousand dollars in) loans and credit cards from FNB? You seem too naive to realise the depth of various Subterranean (islamist, racial, nationalist) activities going on in your South Africa. Stupidly, you called my assertions not "objective"? Yet it seems my Durban "assertions" have been confirmed too early by the revelation that "Madam White Widow" lived in Durban (with decoy Johnanesburg addresses) and easily acquired her SA Passport from your Durban Department of Home Affairs office.

Now how many real South Africans have found it this easy to acquire ordinary IDs, or Passports or loans! You can answer this question if you have the guts! Do I need to reveal all that goes undetected in your Durban, KZN?

Please accept the realities of your South Africa, we are dealing with ours. Kenya too! Durban evolving!

https://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02682/nairobi-lewthwaite_2682034c.jpg

We never got a pic from UK (where she lived for years) so I don't see the big deal. She all so did not do any thing ileagel in SA.

GH KWAME: Hi guys, I have been a silent Ghanaian observer of this thread and I was hoping to see some Ghanaian pix's but I guess I would have to upload them myself.
Anyways, @B0lded, The United Nations since 2000 operates
what is termed the Wet Lease System as against the old Dry Lease System.
Under the new system, troop
contributing countries like Ghana sign a memorandum of understanding to
supply a number of troops as well as
logistics and equipment for the stated
period of operations.
Under the terms of the MOU, serving
*troops are paid a daily stipend or
allowance which is currently about
USD32. Additionally, countries get
monthly reimbursement for all
equipment and logistics and what is
more take back all their equipment at
the end of the operation.
A few examples will suffice here.
Vehicles, helicopters, hospital
equipment such as dental chairs and
ambulances, washing machines,
computers and all other equipment
covered under the MOU, get monthly
reimbursement. Under the previous wet lease system the UN only paid allowances to troops and
supplied all logistics and equipment.
Such is the business side of modern
peacekeeping that many countries reap
millions of dollars every year from their
participation. The records will show that some third world countries are making over USD 300 million annually from peacekeeping.

SA sold a number of MRAPs not to a country but instead to the UN and AU missions. These vechiles belong to the mission. Though you are correct on the procses.

what is with somlians, you can not leave the AU before you are a country, right now you just a rubbish dump

agaugust: if any country drives Tank squadrons against nigerian army, our naija infantry with Swingfire hand-held anti-tank guided missiles will wipe out the enemy Tanks. you were not on this forum when i posted detailed photos, videos, and analysis of nigerian army force of Swingfire anti-tank missiles...the most tricky, deceitful and one of the most deadly anti-tank guided missiles in the whole world

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swingfire is not hand held,

chris365: guy, @augugust is right. aerial bombing in jungles are very difficult and you might end up killing your own.

here are some quotes from an analysis about US air campaigns in Vietnamese jungles.

"For pilots, the most frustrating aspect of the bombing restrictions was that most North Vietnamese fighter bases and surface‐to‐air missile (SAM) batteries fell within restricted areas"

"He contends that, in the final analysis, “it was the Air Force and Navy's very own leaders that failed to develop a strategy appropriate for the war at hand.” Could any air strategy, though, have won the conflict? Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Maxwell Taylor's response in 1975 was an unequivocal no. According to him, “we didn't know our ally. Secondly, we knew even less about the enemy. And the last, most inexcusable of our mistakes, was not knowing our own people.”

you do know the SAM sites and airbases were not covered in jungle terrain,and CAS is not the same has strategic bombing
http://www.answers.com/topic/u-s-air-operations-in-the-vietnam-war

chris365: so why is the US bombing innocent people in afghanistan mountainous regions? air support is difficult in mountainous and jungle terrains.

remember during vietnam, US bombed their own several times in those jungles.

why do you think France needed the help of chadians to fight in mountainous terrains of mali? they would have used air power like they used to push back the rebels in open spaces but they went in commando style and even though chadians are very god in mountain warfare, they still suffered heavy casualties fighting those who knew the place better.

guy, the brief battle in DRC was fought on hills and bushes, not mountains and jungles. there's a difference

Because mistakes are made, and when there are friendly ground forces the CAS generally hits the enemy.

The brits shot one of there own tanks in a dessert, iraq has nothing that comes close to looking like a challenger 2. Again ***shit*** hapens

They deid not need the help, but accept the help, same has the accept the help.

Dont get me wrong air power does not win wars, but jungle and mountain terrain does not make it useless or ineffective.

agaugust: see why i call you navy cook/chef ?

you dont know how war is fought in reality....your battlefield tactics are very poor, though you seem to know things about rifles names and specifications...but that will not win you a war or battle.....you need real time tested combat tactics on the field of battle.

you are the one arguing with me when i said kenyan army should storm the shopping mall and use stealth offensive to wipe out the terrorists like israel will do.

algeria too did what i said just last year against terrorists in the oil field/company hostage attack.

eventually kenyan army stormed the shopping mall to kill and capture the terrorists. only a fighting army wins battles. doing nothing, gets you defeated.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/kenya-shopping-mall-attack-latest-military-takes-control-of-shopping-centre-and-says-all-hostages-freed-8831413.html

i dont know why you fight war and judge war like a potato farmer, were you born in a village ?

the nigerian army used a combat tactic very few people understand. people say one army major did mistakes...i dont know about that, but stealth commando offensive without air and artillery support is british army style and is meant to start and end as stealth offensive.

there in no proof that 9 nigerian soldiers are held hostage by boko haram, if yes, boko haram would have posted their videos in captivity for us to see as they do to other hostages and claim victory...but no video, no photo, no voice.

only a foolish air marshal will use aircraft to attack 300 terrorists deep inside a jungle, the pilots will not see what they are b..ombing, and will k.ill their own friendly army by error...and boko haram is very mobile in the bush...fly in one jet, they hear the sound and spread out through already prepared escape routes and soon cross the international border again into cameroon or niger republic.

Russia's mighty air force NEVER defeated the mujahedeen terrorists in Afghanistan, when the super power got tired of fighting the endless war, they ran away from Afghanistan till today.

try use your head once in a while, so that i can respect you a littlle bit

soldiers get missing in action sometimes because they died at unknown spots, especially jungle warfare like about 1,000 american soldiers are still missing today in vietnam since 1975, is anyone holding them hostage till today 2013 ?

you must be a real plastic toy soldier

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algeria all so killed hostages

yes kenya assulted the mall, the cops were in side within the hour, but they did not run arround guns blazing

what you talking about britsh styl, the brits use air support, unless you mean sas raids but the SAS are way smaller than 100.


that is what the milltary siad, 9 missing presumed captured


only a crapy pilot will bomb his own men

and now the US will run away joining a long line of nastion from the brits, alexader, mongolan extra who have all fail there.

and your own army presums them captured

agaugust: .

[size=16pt] @all south africans : could you explain why you have not been posting daily comments calling the kenyan army incompetent, a failure, and a defeated army since they got attacked on their home-soil and the city of nairobi was held captive for several days.....

.....okay , i am waiting for you to complain about nigerian army on boko haram attacks...i am watching and waiting... [/size]

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I told why. I did not see incoptaince. They were not great but they did not go in guns blazing kill hundrens in cross fire. They took it slow clearing the building. Capturing a number of them alive.

chris365: this ignorant little man doesn't know that syria bombed those rebels with old trainer/light attack jets. and he thinks it makes them powerful

guy, stay off sniffing fuel. it's messing with your already fried chicken brain

Training aicraft normaly make good light attack aircraft. They can do low and slow. And carry a nice pay load. They better at bombing than F7s.

chris365: this is why you remain the only south african i respect here. no let your head swell o

about that operation, you need to understand that there are very difficult terrains in these northern parts that is no use for aerial bombardment if you really want to hit your enemies and not just scare them aware. just like we have very dangerous creeks/wet jungles in the south

flash back to when US bombed tora bora in afghanistan for months without killing one militant. later they realized that their bombs were useless to such mountainous region and yet couldn't send combat troops to fight in these mountains. But it was too late before they realized the aerial bombardments had only given osama more time to relocate and regroup.

this is one of the reasons US failed woefully in afghanistan. the terrain remains too difficult for them.

Northern Nigeria has many of such terrains and the battle where Nigeria lost 16 soldiers was fought in one of those terrains (caves and mountainous forests). that's why it's seen as a victory for us, considering that they were totally outnumbered 1:3 and half of the terrorists were killed (in a difficult terrain the terorists understood better). if you are truly a soldier you would understand.

even the US knows how dangerous these northern terrains are. it reminds them of tora bora. that's why they doubt Nigerian military will be able to do the job. but we keep surprising them

that should tell you a lot.

The USAF failed in tora bore due to a sickness in the USAF called"super fast and shiny" the USAF loves fighters and sent fighter there to drop PGMs but for that terrian you don't want fast high flyers. You want AC130s and A10s(air craft the USAF hates) and have infantry right there. Has serbia proofe"air power can not win wars" most of the tanks and jets NATO bomed were cardboard. That is all so from relying on saterlights to much.


BH were able to use technicals during the battel so why were the nigerians unable to bring up a mobil reserve once the scale of the fight was under stood. Even if it was just more comandos in landcrussiers. Why was the BHs escape route not blocked of, 150 dead terrorists that mean 150 got away with 9 hostages.


Nigeria made many mistakes in that fight. Maybe not by the force comander. 100 solders did mange to attack and clear a base defended by 3 times there number. Not bad, but the higher ups failed worse than SA in bangue who let's face it, where not expecting to fight.

Let's look at the DRC. The east is moutan and jungel yet air support was a great force muitpliler to be used to remove M23 from the 3 surronding peaks. Air suport in moutan and juggel terrian works.