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Henry120: Oh now you are proud? Yet, it was you who was claiming that nigeria had no MRAPs.

Let me lecture you on the sort of MRAPs nigeria operates.

We use the GILA, the okosh sandcat and the nigerian made proforce PF1 4x4 MRAP. 3 different types.

I never said nigeria did not use mraps. You guys are building SA MRAPs locally. And I was not only taling about nigeria but the AU missions. SA sold a lot of MRAPs to the AU for certain missions. Not all the gear used by your solders or other african countries is thers. It belongs to the AU or UN.

Henry120: Are you guys seeing the hostage situation in kenya? Al-shabab has just claimed responsibility for the attacks.

The shoping mall?

It not looking good, extrimist like al-shabab don't do negoastion. It like the indian mumba attack.

NaijaPikinGidi: The 2009 link talks about FBI aviation programme but does not mention the fleet size or number. Kindly show/tell us where you got your "around 80 aircraft" figure from?

First pargraph

Federal Bureau of Investigation is home to what most would consider to be a sizeable aviation unit.  While specific numbers are not public information, past news reports put the number of total aircraft somewhere around 80.

MiguelMi6: shall we have details of the FBI fleet to back up this claim.

http://policehelicopterpilot.com/police-helicopter-journal/2009/11/13/want-to-fly-for-the-fbi-set-your-goals-high-start-early-fall.html

Arround 80 aircraft. From black hawks to bussnies jets.

chris365: hahahahahaha... That's the budget of 3 top african military combined.

The FBI has a air force larger than some african countries,

There are a lot of SA MRAPS in those pics makes me proud

here are some missiles firing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqE1Ni8yB_0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t58VFhCvgw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo6_emb8abM

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31822:nigerian-air-force-testing-indigenous-uavs&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

Two indigenously developed unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) made their maiden flight at the Nigerian Air Force Base in Kaduna last month. The UAVs are designed to enhance aerial surveillance capabilities of the Nigerian Air Force (NAF), but serial production of the system still seems far away.

Although there are no official reports providing more details about these flights, it is likely that they concerned the AMEBO III, which was unveiled at Air Expo 2012 in Kaduna. The UAV, developed by MSc students from the Air Force Institute of Technology (AFIT), is an upgraded version of the AMEBO I and II. At the Air Expo, AFIT stated that test flights for AMEBO I and II had been carried out by UK pilots in 2010 and 2011, but that a NAF pilot would perform the AMEBO III test flight.

AMEBO III could be deployed for aerial surveillance missions, operating autonomously with live video and data telemetry up to a range of 40 km. Its applications include protection of pipelines and borders, maritime control and disaster monitoring. However, the system could also be utilized for monitoring increasing Boko Haram terrorist activity in the Niger Delta and Borno State. At present, only unarmed US MQ-1B Predator UAVs, stationed in Niger, are monitoring the border of Niger-Nigeria and Cameroon-Nigeria.

AMEBO research is sponsored by the NAF with contributions from the Cranfield University in the United Kingdom. However, more funding and political support is required to develop the UAV further. Looking at the 2013 budget of NAF, amounting to $420.6 million, no significant funding seems to be available, with over half of its budget being allocated to the re-activation of a number of aircraft in the inventory, which have been mainly grounded in the period following NAF’s attempt to topple General Ibrahim Babagida’s regime.

Although the Nigerian government is committed to growing its defence industry, only $3.3 million of the $2.2 billion defence budget is allocated to Research, Development, Test & Evaluation (RDT&E). Also, taking into consideration the underdeveloped aerospace industry, co-operation with foreign companies is required to take the AMEBO project further.

According to AFIT, the project has already attracted international attention including from overseas companies looking to collaborate in research and development. Brazil, having experience in the development of UAVs, could be a potential partner. The countries have held bilateral discussion on defence relations in July 2013 aiming to co-operate in the areas of military technology transfer and training of Nigerian forces.

Although there is commitment from the Nigerian government to develop its defence industry, and a requirement to enhance the NAF’s aerial capabilities with UAVs, it remains to be seen if the programme will receive adequate funding to take it to the next stage.

Henry120: How much is the defence budget of the military of america, 700 billion dollars. In the 50's the CIA had a budget of 2 billion dollars. You cannot compete with that.

The zumwalt class destroyer costs 7billion USD. One ship worth more than any African defense budget.
The fact is the US waist money take the Stryker ICV a base model costs 6million USD where a ratel built right now costs 750.000 and a ikwlela costs around 1milion(load out depending)

Base line stryker ICV, 7.62mm armor protection, 12.7mm gun and a tier endurance of 500miles ratel 12.7m protection, 20mm gun and 600mile+ fuel endurance.

So just because America spends lots of money does not mean they spend it well

Henry120: Fool, the DSS arrested 2 suspects who led the service to an un-completed building were the agency took out the 9 more suspects.

Yes, we lack funds, just like every other agency in africa. A budget of 1.4 billion dollars is certainly not enough for the DSS. The DSS should ordinarily have a minimum budget of 3.5 billion USD to operate effectively.

We would kick your butts in under 24 hours tops. Let me reiterate, the nigerian DSS is better trained, equipped and experienced than her south african counter-part, and is the best in africa.

FBI budget is 8.1billion USD

agaugust:
Otomat missile is partly a Stealth missile you dont know ? navy cook/chef ! Otomat has been tested again and again and over too much tested and proved unstoppable in europe and america.....fool


" In another example at least 8 missiles were bought by US Navy: thanks to a evasive, final maneuver, the majority of these weapons, called LRAT (Long Range Attack Target) Otomat missile penetrated inside the formidable missile defenses of US ships . To improve the missile chances of hitting, its nose and wing shapes were optimized for a reduced radar cross section (RCS). Range was improved to 250–300 km while keeping the same dimensions of the previous versions. The warhead was kept at 210 kg but fitted with an armored casing and less sensitive explosives which lowered its chances of being destroyed by close-in weapon systems. Three Otomat missiles were test launched in 1994–1995 with good results."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat

mighty american navy is the most powerful in the world....they could NOT jam the Otomat missile because it had its own counter-measures/anti-jamming devices....ALL american navy electronics and technology and defense missiles could NOT stop a single Otomat....

please leave this topic...lets talk something new...i K.illed y.ou many times over and over again early this morning

https://cssbl.com/mar/otomat_03.jpg

It was the same test janitor

The US navy is large that is it they for the most part are not the best by far. And 1994 is a long time ago


Maritime research enhances SA Navy’s capabilities

By Dean Wingrin

The Defence Technology Development Board (DRDB) hosted a Maritime Technology Exposition at the Institute for Maritime Technology (IMT) in Simon’s Town, Cape Town on Tuesday 19 May 2009.

Combat, engineering and technical officers of the South African Navy (SAN) were shown numerous projects that were taking place to enhance the capabilities of the SAN.

The aim of the presentations was to inform the audience about the technology that is currently being developed and researched by the Defence Evaluation and Research Institutes and the defence related industries to enhance new or existing South African Navy warfare capabilities.

In his opening address, R Adm (JG) Rusty Higgs, Flag Officer Fleet, said that the planning and setting of requirements is usually done at Navy Office level, with little or no input provided by the Fleet and the end-users aboard the ships.

“The organisers felt that it was important to involve the Fleet in these activities and requirement settings as (the serving officers) should also have an input into identifying requirements at the tactical level for the future”.

The DRDB has an annual budget in order for defence industries and research organisations to carry out research for the South African National Defence Force (SANDF). The SANDF has budgeted R303m for research, of which approximately R28m is allocated for maritime research. Although the bulk of these funds (R24m) are allocated to the IMT, the exposition only demonstrated a sample of non-IMT research technologies.

It was stated that South Africa only spent 4 cents in the Rand on defence, while a country like Singapore spent 28 cents.

“Four cents in the Rand is not good enough for a country that wants to be a serious player. We must look after the interests of South Africa,” Higgs said.

A large number of research projects are currently being undertaken, with only a sample being presented.

The Optronic Radar Tracker (ORT) is fully integrated on the SA Navy's Valour class frigates. Anti-Multipath Enhancement for ORT (MECORT) is a program run by the CSIR and is a prototype ORT for radar and optronics research to prevent multi-pathing. Multipathing is when multiple radar signals are reflected by a low-flying target, one directly to the radar receiver and the other via ‘bouncing’ off the surface of the sea. This can cause the radar to erroneously think that a target is much lower than it actually is. The CSIR has studied the problem in a realistic simulation environment, which will lead to a software update to the ORT with no domino effect to the rest of the combat suite. Trials have been ongoing since 2004. Pre-production testing will commence in 2009, leading to a roll-out on all ORTs in 2010.

As navies are increasingly subjected to asymmetric warfare, a Close-In Surveillance System (CISS) is gaining in importance. Such close-in asymmetrical threats are generally cheap and fast, such as small vessels, RPGs, swimmers and IEDs. Immediate identification of the threat and quick decision-making is paramount. Protoclea, in conjunction with Armscor, is developing an automated imaging processing and analysis system, using electro-optic sensors, to improve ship security. This will automatically detect any threats within 1-2 km of the vessel. These threats will then be identified, classified and analysed. The result will then be presented to the Commander with, if possible, scenario analysis. The platforms defensive systems may also be slaved to the CISS for immediate action should the command be given.

SAAB Avitronics and the University of Stellenbosch presented on the development of an active off-board decoy system. An active off-board decoy is a decoy which is used to seduce an incoming anti-ship missile away from its intended target by actively transmitting RF energy to interfere with the missiles tracking sensor. The three main areas of development are the RF payload (SAAB Avitronics), the flight platform (University of Stellenbosch) and the ship and system integration (IMT). The RF payload is based on the concept of an active broadband repeater, launched from the vessel, in order to confuse the missile seeker by moving the missile range gate (where the missile seeker expects to find the target echo) away from the vessel. The two concepts for the flight platform are a flying ducted fan design and a tethered rotor platform. ECM trials commenced in 2005 and an Advanced Concept Technology Demonstrator should be ready in 2010.

The University of Stellenbosch presented their studies on the autonomous control of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV) that could result in an autonomous maritime surveillance helicopter UAV. This UAV would be cheap and provide automated take-off, waypoint guidance and landing. The UAV would incorporate a surveillance payload and video downlink. Development of the automated waypoint guidance has been completed, with automated take-off and landing from a moving vehicle scheduled to commence in July 2009. The surveillance payload has been acquired, but has not yet been integrated. The technology demonstrator was displayed, hooked up to a computerised flight simulator.

The new StealthRad family of small and mobile surveillance radars was demonstrated by Reutech Radar Systems. These radars are ideal for marine, coastal and battlefield surveillance, movement detection and border and perimeter monitoring. By using solid-state Frequency Modulated Continuous Wave (FMCW) technology, a reliable, low cost short-range/close-in radar with a low probability of detection and jamming can be produced. The radars can be vehicle, land or ship mounted.

For harbour defence, the displays of the sensors may need to be presented in a temporary operation room, such as the containerised systems being developed by Thermodynamics Fluids & Design. They produce containers for mobile command and control that are fully equipped, air-conditioned and are self-loading.

The University of Stellenbosch demonstrated their research in Human Language Technology, which can assist in translating phrases from one language to another. Ergotech presented their findings from their research on the effects of motion on the body and the ergonomics in the maritime environment.

Biological and chemical environment research was conducted by Protechnik and their findings may help in the biological and chemical defence of ships.

SAAB Avitronics are also involved in the application of active protection technology in the littoral and inland water environment, while the CSIR presented on sonar development for underwater security.

South Africa has a proud history of technical and scientific development. Equipment aboard the SA Navy's Valour class frigates that was developed using DRDB funding include the combat management system, the ORT, the Electronic Warfare (EW) suite, the Umkhonto-IR SAM and the sonar transducers and array.

Many of the products developed in South Africa are world leaders and it is thus imperative that funding be provided for continued research and development.

As Higgs stated, “in order for any defence force to improve its capability and maintain the winning edge over its adversaries, technology research has to take place”.

agaugust: i wont repeat the same post i made early this morning...Otomat drops to 6 feet at far off 6km away from the enemy ship on its own if left alone, however as a guided missile, the launcher will maneuver to avoid enemy conuter attack it as a guided missile if any threat of enemy defense is sighted on NNS Aradu long range 180km radar, Otomat is NOT restriced to fire and forget, it is long range and very well guided by the launch officer in fire control....

ALL AMERICAN NAVY WARSHIPS ANTI-MISSILE DEFENCE MISSILES AND CIWS GUNS FAILED TO STOP THE OTOMAT ANTI-SHIP MISSILE IN THE PUBLISHED AMERICAN TEST ....you cannot even think well again...Otomat has now s..cattered your south african brain

you lose south africa...you lose this Otomat argument again today.

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6km is final approach.


That in flight guidance is a weak point it can be jammed

The test was done when? It was not the missiles or guns that were beaten but the system aka radar and fir control

agaugust: i never said combat test, i said manufacturers test in peace time for marketing purposes. Otomat was tested against powerful american navy warship defensive missiles in peace time and Otomat defeated them all....show me where DENEL tested umkhonto against a sea skimming missile like Otomat that is only 6 feet above the sea waters....the skua drone used for DENEL test CANNOT fly below 30 feet...Otomat flies at 6 feet you fool

i have sunk all south african navy expensive valour frigate warships today o ! up NNS Aradu !

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So the skua dronethat looks like a missile and flys like one is not enough?

The otmat only drops that low for the final approach you fool an with a 23km warhead a miss will kill.

agaugust: those 2 countries are not world powers and both have ZERO modern war experience, they can buy what they wish and dream about

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Finland a country that mad made the USSR cry in fear, a country where one of there solders disabled a tank with a spanner

Algeria a nations who defeated France, had a problem with insurgents but put it down. Those countries have a history of war and the only resoane they not at war now is because they have smart leaders. Only a fool brags about military conquest

Did you know FN a Belgium company created a lot of the worlds weapons. FN Fal was called the right arm of the free world. When was there last war

agaugust: you posted test against a drone, not a missile....fool

i repeated this same question more than 7 times today, show me source of where DENEL tested Umkhonto missile against a single sea-skimming anti-ship missile anywhere in this world...or your cook/chef oil fried brain cannot understand simple english language ?

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sukua is has fas has a missile with a 200km range.

agaugust: interest is NOT purchase...nigeria too is interested in JF-17 Thunder 4.5 generation jet fighter

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Finland and Algeria bought them, so that is more users than the challenger 2 tank

agaugust: please stop telling irrelevant stories here.

i repeated this same question more than 7 times today, show me source of where DENEL tested Umkhonto missile against a single sea-skimming anti-ship missile anywhere in this world...or your half-indian brain cannot understand simple english language ?

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Tell me once where a F22 was test in combat, a T90 or a host of weapons. Some like the chieftain/S tank have come and gone with out a single shot in anger were they bad?

agaugust: their is only one DENEL CIWS gun on a whole valour frigate, and it is located at that one single side....how will it stop an anti-ship missile coming at its back, front, or the other unprotected side of the warship...or 4 NNS Aradu Otomat missiles coming the same time from all 4 directions ?

does your brain work ? or you are a policeman talking on a military thread/forum ?

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You going to send all you SSMs on wide looping manvors while they being jammed? The 35mm covers a pretty wide arc, the rest is covered by the 76mm.

agaugust: i will always doubt you because you manipulated seleka rebl vs SANDF kill ratio many times from 250 to 350 to 600 to 850 !!!

i will always doubt you because you deliberately deceived the whole of this forum for many days with false claim that south africa has a satellite in orbit despite clear sources posted to prove that your claim if false....only a fool will trust a man like you !!!


I thank God you are now posting sources to confirm my claims on this forum that old and so called 'out-dated' 30 year old anti aircraft missiles can shoot down modern day jet fighters....this confrims that nigerian 1981 Roland anti-aircraft missile will shoot down south african air force 1998 Gripen jet, thank you for this final confession of truth after many months of denial

there is NO scientific proof of anything in that Serb claim, i posted that story and from a more detailed source many months ago, i posted the Bosnia SAM-3 story many times more than you on this forum.

Iraq used an even older 1957 SAM-2 to shoot down supersonic speed 1991 american F-15 jet fighter in gulf war and Iraq did not come out and make false claim of any secret update of any thing on that outdated missile.

Iraq also used an ordinary old anti-aircraft gun to shoot down a modern high speed american F-15 in gulf war too, Iraq did not update any scientific stuff on that gun.


On the first day of operation Desert Storm an F-15E was shot down by anti-aircraft artillery. [4]
On the third day of operation Desert Storm an F-15E was shot down by a Russian made SA-2E missile. Both crew members were lost.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_F-15_losses


Serbia can continue to claim things they cannot prove scientifically and then call it a 'secret'...the Serbs have never been great scientists anytime.

so you want to believe a Serb claim of missile secret capability today ? then you should believe nigerian Epe made missile claims of upgrading to 'larger and more complex and advanced missiles' for testing...or you believe the Serbs because and doubt the nigerians ? nigeria spends more on missile research than Serbia, so how do you choose whose 'secret' to believe ? judge yourself

you are doubting and denying the claims of a nigerian Epe missile project rocket scientist that has a Phd Degree, but....

look at the profile of the man whose claim of 'military science secret' you believe without proof ....

"It involved "electromagnetic waves," was all that Dani — who now owns a small bakery in this sleepy village just north of Belgrade — would divulge."

i am sure your brain level is just like his own, good enough for a small bakery in a sleepy village in soweto, afterall a cook/chef and baker are brothers

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I did not manipulate, facts changed or do you think AIDS only effects gay people, the world is flat, th earth is the center of the universe.


I merely point out that SA used satlights

The roland could if we flew low enough and your radar was updated enough. but we don't have 1 gripen and i doubt you would be that efective

And you are expert on this field now. So what is you great theory on how he shot down the F117

Where those F15 flying at a super sonic speed?

Who said he did the RnD and upgrade. He is a solder not a tech head.

wow you are a ignorant fool. You asked for proof and you got it.

chris365: just one honest question.

How many countries have they managed to sell it to since the marketing announcement?

I mean your description of the missile's capabilities is enough to have world militaries line up for it. And so far, there's no queue.

finland, though south korea, brazil and sweden are interested in it

A Nigerian soldier - June 2013
Nigeria's north-east has witnessed a massive military deployment since May
Continue reading the main story
Nigeria under attack

Dead or alive
Vigilante war
Gunning for Boko Haram
'Cut off' under emergency rule
A cell of suspected Islamist militants has opened fire on security forces in Nigeria's capital Abuja, say officials.

The clash occurred at about 03:00 local time after a tip-off about the location of a suspected Boko Haram weapons cache, Nigeria's spy agency said.

The State Security Service did not give any details about casualties. A witness told the BBC he saw nine bodies.

However, other witnesses told Reuters news agency the shooting came during an attempt to move squatters.

Six witnesses told Reuters the house was owned by a military man who wanted them to leave his property.

The BBC's Mohammed Kabir Mohammed in Abuja says the shooting took place at a two-storey building which has just been built but is not yet complete.

Young men have been using the building to sleep in at night, he says.

Continue reading the main story
Boko Haram at-a-glance

Map
Founded in 2002
Official Arabic name, Jama'atu Ahlis Sunna Lidda'awati wal-Jihad, means "People Committed to the Propagation of the Prophet's Teachings and Jihad"
Initially focused on opposing Western education
Nicknamed Boko Haram, a phrase in the local Hausa language meaning, "Western education is forbidden"
Launches military operations in 2009 to create an Islamic state across Nigeria
Founding leader Mohammed Yusuf killed in same year in police custody
Succeeded by Abubakar Shekau, who the military wrongly claimed in 2009 had been killed
Suspected to have split into rival factions in 2012
Military claims in August 2013 that Mr Shekau and his second-in-command Momodu Bama have been killed in separate attacks; no independent confirmation of claim
From preachers to slave raiders
Boko Haram is most active in north-eastern Nigeria, where a state of emergency was imposed in May.

If confirmed, it would be the first time Boko Haram has staged an attack in Abuja this year.

Attacks in the north-east have increased recently despite a massive military deployment to the worst-affected areas.

In the latest incident in Borno state, officials said at least 87 people had been killed by militants, who disguised themselves in military uniforms at a checkpoint outside the town of Benisheik. They shot dead those trying to flee.

The group wants to create an Islamic state across Nigeria and has waged a deadly insurgency since 2009.

'Digging for arms'
The security team which approached the building were acting on information received from two men, agents said.

"No sooner had the team commenced digging for the arms, than they came under heavy gunfire attack by other Boko Haram elements," Reuters news agency quotes a statement from State Security Service as saying.

Our reporter says the building is in Abuja's Apo district, home to a huge residential complex for Nigerian parliamentarians.

Abuja suffered two major Boko Haram attacks two years ago, when a suicide bomber rammed a car into the police headquarters, killing eight people in June 2011.

About two months after that, the group attacked the UN headquarters in Abuja, killing 23 people.

The attack near Benisheik took place on Tuesday, but news of it was slow to emerge as all phone lines have been cut off in an effort to help the military offensive.

The Boko Haram members drove into the town in about 20 pick-up trucks, the AFP news agency quoted an anonymous security source as saying.

The BBC's Nigeria correspondent Will Ross says it was one of the deadliest since the state of emergency was declared.

In the three days since the attack, health workers have been loading dead bodies onto trucks and some reports say the militants killed more than 140 people.

"Apart from the dead bodies recovered today [Thursday], we collected 55 on Wednesday and the fact is that we did not go deep into the bush where I strongly believe that many people have fallen there," Nigeria's Daily Trust newspaper quotes Abdulaziz Kolomi, an official with state's environmental protection agency, as saying.

There was also an attack by suspected militants on Wednesday night in neighbouring Yobe state, which is also under a state of emergency but has not witnessed so much violence.

A resident of Buni Yadi told the BBC Hausa Service that Islamists attacked the town at about 22:30, burning the police station and other public buildings.

"A soldier was killed in a shootout and the wife of the [divisional police chief] was burnt to death in her home," state police commissioner Sanusi Rufa'i told AFP.

Local vigilante groups have been formed to help counter the militants but scores of these volunteers have been killed in recent weeks.

Last month, the army said it had killed Boko Haram's leader Abubakar Shekau but this has not been confirmed and the militants' attacks have continued.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24178048

agaugust: show me source to prove the test of Umkhonto missile against a sea-skimming 2 meter (6 feet above sea water) low level anti-ship missile, show me now...fool

new topic please
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was posted twice now so just go sit on a sharp spike

agaugust: post source to prove the serbs upgraded all their SAM-3 in 1999.

what if i say nigeria too has upgraded its Roland SAM without s source proof

"We used a little innovation to update our 1960s-vintage SAMs to detect the Nighthawk," Dani said. He declined to discuss specifics, saying the exact nature of the modification to the warhead's guidance system remains a military secret.

It involved "electromagnetic waves," was all that Dani — who now owns a small bakery in this sleepy village just north of Belgrade — would divulge.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-10-26-serb-stealth_x.htm

you real got to stop doubting me

agaugust: Otomat has radars and sensors, the command and control officer that launched the missile is not a fool, his NNS ARADU has 180km range DA-08 air search and track radar screen, once he sees valour frigate launch Umkhonto missile, he guides the missile to descend to lowest sea skimming 2m level to avoid any enemy defense.....i have sank your expensive valour warship and wasted your government`s money....fact !!

find a new topic to argue with me...you lost this one

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A1st world countries have trouble picking up the valour at 180km, B you radar is going to be jamed, C the signal used to contol the ottomat can be jamed D it can still be hit at 2m

agaugust: please borrow or steal another man`s brain if yours is malfunctioning.

1978 american F-16 is NOT the same electronic capability as 2013 F-16, america upgrades its aircraft almost every year.

1981 F-117 is not the same as 1999 F-117 that was shot down....the 1999 jet was upgraded to the best technology in the world at that time, i know about american weapons more than you do, so sharaaap !



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and that means what, so the serbes never updated or upgraded there radar and fire control since 1960?

agaugust: the research has already been done by south africans and it was concluded that south african valour frigate defense against anti-ship missiles is very poor....read below...you lost this argument .....


[size=16pt]Valour frigate defence is weak...experts reveal[/size]



"The South African Denel Umkhonto-IR is a short-range (12km) anti-aircraft missile, which is still in its development stage, having been "tested only to a limited extent" , while "several navies and air forces already have supersonic anti-ship missiles. How the Umkhonto will deal with these is not known."

The frigates can have their capacity doubled to 32 Umkhontos, but will probably carry only eight missiles and so "can easily be swamped by saturation attack *7"

Also, after a missile has been fired, empty launch canisters have to be removed from their silos, but: "As far as can be determined, this cannot be done by the Valour-class at sea, so reloading will have to be done alongside in habour port or require a replenishment vessel, as a depot ship, in calm seas".

Heitman admitted the missiles might have difficulty intercepting supersonic assaults.

He added that no navy was able to reload its vertically launched anti-aircraft missiles at sea.

http://www.armsdeal-vpo.co.za/articles10/weak_ships.html


NNS Aradu Otomat missile is fully tested in Europe and America against the best american air defense missile and Otomat won.

NNS Aradu can sink all south african navy warships in one day ....fact !!

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the report is from 2007 the umkhonto was test in 2008 vs supersonic targets not to mention the ottomat is not suppersonic, they all so carry 16sams.

Basically the entire artical is outdated please try again

agaugust: thank you for finally defeating yourself at last....Otomat sea hugging anti-ship missile flies to attack enemy ships at 2m above sea level, Umkhonto anti-aircraft missile was tested ONLY against a sea skua drone that does not carry out any evasive maneuvers like the Otomat sensors and the high flying sea skua cannot go below 10m above sea level....Otomat sinks lower to 2m above sea waters too low for any Umkhonto missile to stop ...fact !!

"Flight

The boosters made by ROXEL, are positioned at the flanks, gives enough speed allowing the turbojet to start, while the wings opens, then in 4 seconds the missile reach a 250 m/s speed and 200 m height, stabilizes his flight and descends to 20 m cruising at low altitude. At this time the auto-pilot and the altimeter allow holding the right directions to the target. The Otomat missile flies at around 1,000 km/h controlled with the four cross winglets in the aft, behind the main fixed wings to sustain the weapon.

While the missiles flies it receive the input at mid-course, then, at only 6 km from the target activates the onboard radar to reduce reaction time from the target, with Otomats two dimensional radar system, the weapon simply continues to fly to the ship, with the altitude falling from 20m to 2m"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat


thank you for proving me correct. get ready for my new naval blockade battle next 10 days...i am using NNS Aradu Otomat to sink South african valour frigate...fact !!!

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How did i defeat my self the radar on a valour can pick up RHIBs thus the umkhonto could easily reach the otomat, the umkhonto does not even have to score a direct hit since it uses a proximity fuse and a large warhead,

the ottomat only drops to 2m for the final approach for most of the flight it is at well above 10m


Now why don't you stop embarrassing yourself or continue either way i dont care

agaugust: 1961 SAM-3 missile shot down 1999 american air force super modern stealth jet fighter in Bosnia war. fool

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F117 has been around since 1981 and i was not talking about the SAM when i mentioned year but the radar and fire control the SA3 is still a threat to this day but a 1960 era radar is not

agaugust: .


[size=16pt]tested and proved....

Otomat anti-ship missile penetrated ALL powerful american navy missile defenses....[/size]


"Testing and the future of Otomat :

There is no known combat use of Otomat but there were many tests, like the one in 1987, when a Venezuelan Lupo frigate hit an old US destroyer used as target at 122 km, leaving a 6 m hole in it.[10] Flight took a little over than 400 seconds. In another example at least 8 missiles were bought by US Navy: thanks to a new evasive, final maneuver, the majority of these weapons, called LRAT (Long Range Attack Target) penetrated inside the formidable missile defenses of US ships. All in all, this missile was and is a very powerful weapon."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat

NO umkhonto missile can stop an Otomat missile, tested and proved...fact !!!

nigerian navy NNS Aradu's all powerful tested and proved sea surface -skimming Otomat anti-ship will sink all south african navy warships....FACT !!!

https://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4561/01nu31.jpg

when was that the 1980s

you see i was baned because your nigerian website spambot has zero brains

agaugust: @zaandrew just got banned above, he insulted me because i proved south african Umkhonto missiles CANNOT do what DENEL fraudulently claims as the missile was NEVER tested as a defence against sea skimming anti-ship missiles, the truth hurt him so bad...he insulted me big time and he got banned big time

lets see him use his second email account to login as @andrewza...after he finishes cooking breakfast for his navy officers...south african navy cook/chef

when you log-in again, @andrewza, please show us source to prove that Umkhonto missile was tested against any anti-ship missile anywhere in this world ....show us proof

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***moronic*** ***dipshit*** who can not fight his way out of a wet paperbag if he had a knife