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chris365: but if he doesn't give a go ahead, your men become sitting docks under fire. meaning he is in charge of SANDF. comprende?

if it is a big enough deal we can pull a nigerian and just leave the un mission. but this has not happened.

Augustine Again: .

[size=16pt]Tanzania's new army tanks...

powerful Tanzania ranked by UN above South Africa in Congo DRC war[/size]

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by that logic rwanda is rated above nigeria, and just because they where chosen to be the brigade comander does not mean they better, but you a ignorant fool.

Augustine Again: do people always have to fight on a brigde ? how many bridges are there on battlefields ?

the second battalion vehicle behind will be push the first vehicle broken down forward along the bridge, only south african military academy teaches you how everything intelligent is impossible on battlefield.

by the way, ordinary snipers ? which type of battalion of 600 men have no few mortar 4km range artillery to uproot some 1km to 2km distant snipers ?

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any chock point will do, and the next vechile will be taken out


you have to find said sniper first before you can do that

Augustine Again: @Mike.ZA said a sniper will stop a full battalion.

i said all snipers will run when they see only one armoured IFV coming to k.ill them

i then increased his sniper from 1 to 10 men, and i removed the armoured vehicle, so let 10 snipers try stop a standard battalion of 600 soldiers ......unless the battalion commander is from soweto, then 10 snipers will stop his battalion

Well it can. Let's say there is a bridge. Sniper knocks out lead vechile and blocks the bridge. The keeps the people trying to extract it pinded down. Well doing this in calls in accurate arty fire and air strikes.

Augustine Again: even without armoured vehicle helping the battalion, 10 snipers cannot stop a full battalion, the 600 men will out-flank and sorround the snipers, then the hunter will become the hunted.

Since when did the numbers change. You said a sniper would run if a AFV came. Now it is a full battalion vs only 10. You changed the paramters. In this case the snipers will conductd there next big role, that of a FAC/spotters.

chris365:
no.. south african sniper bullets will penetrate tanks .. just wait, they'll soon start the propaganda

Not tanks but IFV, APC extra extra.

Augustine Again: all snipers will run away home to mummy and daddy when they see armoured fighting vehicles coming in their direction

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Unless they have a anti matrail rifel.

Same way the SLR and FN fal are the same yet diffrent, AK47 and AKM are same and diffrent, extra extra. The changes are there.

Augustine Again: i dont know which one you are refering to as chinese, but this is my own observation.

first photo Tanzanian rifle is the chinese Type 56 a copy of AK-47 for standard army issue assault rifle

second photo is Tanzanian Galil rifle from israel for special forces

both rifles look alike, but if you view closely...the Galil looks more 'cute and solid' and also notice the Galil gunner's targeting sight mechanism...that tells you the price and performance is different.

They both work on the same prinspils but the galil has better sights, located in a better postion (rear not in the midil like a AK) fires 5.56mm nato not 7.62 pact has a better barrel, less recoil (though a micro carbin would have a tad more reciol) and they made tighter(best word I can thing off). That is why there SF uses it.

2smooth2shout: maybe i exergerated a little.(apologies) but you get the point. NA is not short of professional snipers capable of hitting long range targets.

The guy's profile i posted proves it. Snipers competition involves hitting long range targets aquisition.

And your unknown sniper kill in DRC has been proven to be false by your own military.

Thank you for admiting you were wrong.


I never said you did not have snipers.

And no they only said we did not provide snipers but a battlion. And that any farther qustions must be directed to them.

2smooth2shout: your fake sniper that was proved to be fake by your own military? Keep dreaming.

No. You just have poor comprension skills and read only the quotes you want to.

Henry120: Nigeria's main sniper rifles are the austrian made SSG-69 and the sniper rifle shown by auguagust( I can't recall the name).

The SSG is a nice rifel. SA spec ops use it to though the accuracy internastional is a better rifel.

2smooth2shout: let me just shut you up with a profile of one of our ex army sniper . Enjoy

I am a discharged Soldier from the
Nigerian Army, I have attended basic and
advance sniper course in the Nigerian
Army School of infantry, I am the first and
only advance sniper in the history of
Nigerian Army Corps Military Police, youngest advance sniper, youngest season
firer at championship and professional
level; I am a sniper that can produce highly
qualified snipers at any given time and I
have obtained the standard required in the
military as a reputable military police sniper instructor. I discharged voluntarily
from the Nigerian Army because I want a
better place where I can make the best use
of my skills and qualities for the good of
mankind and humanity.
http://ng.linkedin.com/pub/david-ehizojie/75/748/a8a

maybe not all soldiers but we've been training more than enough snipers long before you even knew about Nigeria and it is not considered a special skill but a necessary one. That's how our army operates. Fact

we are not US, we are Nigerians and our military training is not the same. We only share experience. That's what the world and gullible people like you need to understand.

The point made was that every nigerian solder was trained to be a sniper. That is a lie. Wether you had snipers is not my concern and your doctrain on the use of snipers is your doctrain. But when a sniper is part of a regualer squade useing a semie auto scoped DMR he is not a sniper but a markesmen.

Not all snipers in SA are speciol forces (though speciol forces are snipers) I know of a parabat that is a sniper has in I am a freind of his brother.


The orbit of battel for a SA infantry battlion calls for a squade of snipers. They fall under the battlion HQ but are normaly divided among the platoons like the 60mm mortas and AT guys. These snipers would use the R1 sniper.

Henry120: The tanzanian Special forces use a special forces dedicated rifle. The micro galil ACE is short and compact. That is what a special forces soldier needs for the sort of mission he would carry out.

Take nigeria for example, the navy's special boat service unit use a compact TAR-21, a CTAR-21, dedicated special forces rifle. The same thing for the army's special forces unit. While the ground troops of the airforce deployed to mali were all armed with the standard version of the TAR-21. Different missions require different gears to prosecute them.

The tanzanian choice of the compact galil ACE is a fantastic choice. While regular tanzanian troops are armed with AK-47's or it's chinese variant.

That is it the Galil ACE. In SA that is the R6.

chris365: you should know that every military has it's own training. Nigerian regular soldiers are trained to be snipers, that's why when we didn't have special forces in the 90s, we still had snipers that saw action in somalia, SL, and Liberia.

I've shown pictures of Nigerian long range sniper rifles currently in use by the army and information i got says not only the special forces are trained to have such skills.

Snipers are old in the army and they've seen action in every military intervention Nigeria participated in.

@augugust showed proof of NA snipers suppressing and taking out enemy targets in somalia during the 1990 operation restor hope.

Snipers are not a new trend in NA

So you telling me that every singel nigerian solder can calclate bulliet drop, the addect of wind over extrem distances, the affect of the curveture of the earth, the construcston of a hide, how to survive in 2 to 6 man groups deep behind enemy lines for days with out support extra extra. Because if you saying that then you saying your basic solder is better trained than the US rangers.

Aka you should stop embarsing your self.

chris365: mr man shut up already. Fact is that you lied. It's a chinese rifle, not SA

No that is a pick of a regualer tanzian infantry solder. Now look at the pics that were posted of the tanzian speciol forcses.

Augustine Again: after proving you south africans wrong with simple mathematics...

NNS Thunder flight deck 24m length
Mi-24 Helicopter 18m length

all measurement information freely available on google....

why should i keep wasting my time repeating the same post/comments again and again 77 times for a 33% brain that cannot put an 18m shoe into a 24m shoe box ? get it ?

make sure one of those nigerian mathematics teachers we sent to help south africa is teaching your son, so that he does not grow up to be like you

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The only thing you proved is your ignorance on the subject matter.

Augustine Again: english language definition of Sniper is very simple...please dont add your own private ideas to it.

And what the milltary definition is is what we talking about.

agaugust: even foolish countries of the world like Togo have army snipers that can k.ill at long ranges.

since when did old 1940 world war II sniper tactics become a great topic to debate about ? its nothing special, go read war history of 1940 long range army snipers.

Sniping has been going on far longer than WW2. The greatest sniper is a finnish sniper killed a few hundred russians with a iron sights.


How ever not every country has a sniper sytem. Sniper and marksman are 2 diffrent things. And most snipers engade targets from 500m to 1500m only a few have the skill for a over 2000m shot.

Augustine Again: Tanzanian army's Type 56 rifle (chinese copy of AK-47 rifle) in Congo DRC war

http://www.armyrecognition.com/tanzania_tanzanian_army_land_ground_forces/tanzania_tanzanian_army_land_ground_armed_defense_forces_military_equipment_armored_vehicle_picturs.html

Yes there regular infantry. But hennery posted pics of there Speciol Forces. And they were useing a Galil I belive it is a Galil ACR. It is baiscaly a R6 though wether denel or IMI made it I don't know. Small armes are not list by name.

Non the less the only difrence betwen a tanzian SF rifel and a SANDF infantry rifel is barrel length the tanzian one is shorter it all so has a sight fited but we have posted picks of simlar modfied R4s so it is just the barrel length.

agaugust: NNS Thunder can carry a Mi-24 Hind helicopter gunship. FACT. PROVED.

however, i just said if it does, but nigerian navy has no plan to use a nigerian airforce helicopter on NNS Thunder, the plan is to use a specially made naval helicopter and the choice is AS 555 Fenneck helicopters from france because those have anti-submarine capabilities.

some new information coming in from beegeagle also says there is likely option of nigerian Type 056 brand new stealth warship from china carrying Z-9 naval helicopters which can be armed with 300km long range anti-ship missiles, we are awaiting any official information on that.





"Coast Guard cutters with their Jayhawks HH-60Js and other helicopters performed security and interdiction in the Persian Gulf in 1991 in support of Operation Desert Storm and also in 2003 for Operation Enduring Freedom."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HH-60_Jayhawk


fool, that very NNS Thunder is one of the american coast guard cutters that operated on many different voyages and missions together with warships in Persian Gulf carrying Jayhawk helicopter much bigger than a Mi-24 Hind on its flight deck....fool

"In 1998, Chase departed with the USS Russell (DDG-59), USS Crommelin (FFG-37), and the USS O'Brien (DD-975) for Military Interdiction Operations (MIO) in the Persian Gulf. During this patrol, the Chase diverted four vessels in violation of United Nations Sanctions against Iraq, interdicted 1,527,740 gallons of fuel-oil, and conducted eighty-six gunnery exercises."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Chase_(WHEC-718)

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no it is not, you got 6m free space that alone is to litel. but there will be landing crew on the bridge, they will need a few metters of free space. the risks are just to great.

and your source does not state the jayhawk ever landed on a USCG hamilton class cutter. They have many more vesseals.

agaugust: Tanzania is now South Africa's masters

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This you fools seems to love. Butit just shows you all fools. A tanzian profided the brigade comander that does not mean our soulders fight any diffrent battel or any thing like that. But I under stand you guys are ignorant moronic fools who's combinded IQ is lower than a rock.

agaugust: 5 american Dakota aircrafts were transferred second hand by USA to south africa in 1966 plus all the rust and still being flown today....though started to crash one by one from 2012 due to rust....tins of sardine with metal rust peeling off...falling out of the skies....making widows of south african air force officers wives.

quote :



Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments


USA
R: South Africa

5 Dakota DC-4/C-54 Transport aircraft 1964 1966 5 Second-hand




source :

SIPRI ORG ARMS TRANSFER DATABASE.

now to the other Dakota third hand british transfer....

your grandfather's car, transferred to your father after one year, then re-registered by your father in his own name, then transfered to you after some years, then re-registered by you in your own name....is a brand new car after the third hand ? seems you just got fresh b.lood transfusion from an out-patient of the incurable unit of a psychiatric hospital

i wont waste my time replying a mental case

[size=16pt]photo : 1 of the 7 rusted Dakota Flying Coffins of south african air force[/size]

we are well awar the turbo daks are old, but second hand rust buckets? firsly when we got them most were new builds and they were top of the line, second they are in exltend condistion and non have crashed due to maintance issues. and we have a funded program called project sauce pan to replace them.

agaugust: are you south africans all a nation of mathematical fools ? no wonder pretoria is begging nigeria to send you more and more nigerian mathematics and science teachers to open your blind eyes and improve your 33% brain in mandela's rainbow nation.

instead of you to use mathematical data to determine how an helicopter will land on a ships flight deck, you are using your ordinary eye sight....fool

Mi-35 Hind helicopter is even shorter than the 18m i said, its FULL length from tail rotor end to overhead rotor end and gun pod in the nose all together is 17.5 m and that is 6.5m smaller than the NNS Thunder flight deck and that means if the Hind lands on the Thunder there is still extra free space of a whole 21 feet free space between the helicopter and the ships structures and only at the front of the helicopter do you have a structure 21 feet far away, on all two sides and backside of the helicopter is open free always empty air space you fool

21 feet is equal to 3 giant tall men each 7 feet tall and lying down on the ground in a stretched straight line head to foot to head of each other. you are a foolish navy cook in south africa, the whole of mandela's navy does not know applied mathematical geometry....rainbow nation of fools

19.76m long american jayhawk helicopters have been landing of NNS Thunder at random without any accident or mistake, and the american helicopter is much longer than Mi-35 Hind....you fool

"Coast Guard cutters with their Jayhawks HH-60Js and other helicopters performed security and interdiction in the Persian Gulf in 1991 in support of Operation Desert Storm and also in 2003 for Operation Enduring Freedom."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HH-60_Jayhawk

it is only foolish pilots like in that published media news of south african air force Rooivalk helicopter gunship pilots that flew the helicopter in broad daylight and entered into city street electricity cables flying helicopter like a blind bat

now stop all these time wasting argument that show how badly south african military men apply basic mental calculations wrongly on a battlefield, no wonder the UN does not trust SANDF and they asked a Tanzanian man to be ordering your army about with all your DENEL shiny weapons....fools

CASE CLOSED !

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Thing is I know persnaly how big a hind is and how big the flight deck is. I know how much room a pilot needs to land. I all so know the hind is a poor hover. So unless you can show me proove that the hind has landed on a flight deck of that set up and size the case is not closed.

6.5m leaves close to no room to manover. Not to menstion the hind is all so wid and tall(top heavy).
What about the telscoping hanger it right there. And 21 feet can be coverd really fast


Firstly that quote does not back up what you said. Do you thing the hamlton class is the only cutter in the USCG? That they have not built any thing new since the 1960s? And the jayhawk is a purpos built martime choper, it can over far better than a hind for one thing


Sorry you do know that every country has accdints. More so with low flying. Even the dutch did it with a apachy.

Sorry it is a brlian in over all comand and our forces are still being commanded by a south african. And by your own statment the UN would rather put a rwandan (a country they have publicy accused of supporting rebels) in charge of a mission than the nigerias.

agaugust: .

[size=16pt]Rusty Tanzania's army AK-47 rifles now protect South African DENEL R-4 rifle armed soldiers in Congo DRC

suggestion: DENEL should now use Tanzanian soldiers to market its weapons overseas...winners make good marketing[/size]

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Those are far from rusty, no tanzian protected any south african and the tanzian speciol forces uses a carbin version of the galil. The R serries is based on the galil. So the tanzian SF uses a wepaon our reguler solders use.

agaugust: ships flight deck size is NOT measured by photos and eye sight, it is measured by a meter rule.....fool !

NNS Thunder flight deck 24m. Mi-35 Hind full size 18m.....fool !

nice to hear you cooked lots of food for your nigerian masters at the naval base....senior chef.

CASE CLOSED

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I was puting it in cotects. And how long are a hinds rotor blades, how much room for a misstake is there. Basicaly you can't land a hind there. No pilot would take the chance. Just one mistake, one swell and you could loose the ship and choper. It is funny that some one who has never seen NNS thunder up close and has zero martime training wants to argue with some one who has both.

agaugust: [size=16pt]south african army R.apes women in Congo DRC : pretoria's government agrees to crimes.[/size]


http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2013-06-14-peacekeepers-behaving-badly-why-south-african-ill-discipline-in-drc-is-a-un-problem/#.UiNJ0TbOlPI



...but i dey do am too....zuma

And they(all 4 of them) were punished unlike nigerians who comite abuses. Hell even india did not punsh there solders and it was over 100.

agaugust: another south african war lies propaganda seleka style from a south african fraudulent source...the fake SANDF sniper k.ill in the story/source you quoted d.estroyed the credibility of the whole story and source...FAILED !!! FRAUD !!!


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You no problem trusting SA sources when it suits you. You all all so still belvie that the leader BH is dead even though the only source is the nigerian milltary and it is actualy doubted. Not to menstion you were never able to proofe any propergander from the CAR reports. In other words just because you don't like it does not mean it is not true SA media is rated has highly indpended and has no need to make up love storys about the SANDF.

agaugust: .

[size=16pt]Tanzania's Special Forces Protecting And Leading South African Army In Congo DRC Battles[/size]

....as african military rankings change again....the lasts moving up among the firsts.


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Let's get this straight SA is on the west flank and tanziana on the east flank. A SANDF solder was wounded by gunfire so we know they on the front line and in combat.

Of course you are typical and bend truthes and info. By the way I am still waiting for the source that the T-craft is made from almunein has you cliamed.

agaugust: Okay arrange one visit right now and lets see

it set sail last week saterday, did you not know i posted that info

CraigB: Did anyone notice how Mr Seleka ran away when he got beaten up about his hand-me-down rust-bucket; only to resurface now and talk about other things?

He was on a strategic withdrawal like his mates, the M23.

I wonder if he will comint on the 76mm.

agaugust: nigerian military is more secretive than south african military, we told you many times, but here you say no.

so how about the nigerian made missile test firing at Epe base in lagos which was mentioned my nigerian minister of defense and posted on beegeagle, but you south africans say it is 'unreliable' information and you will not believe it

time now for you to be judged the same way you judge others

your own country's south african army Lt.General says NO sniper of the SANDF killed even a bush rat in congo DRC....FACT !!!

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Nigeria is not that sectrive. I could arange a vist of NNS thunder in 10min. The germain, indian, pakstan, brits, yanks extra all had armed QMs on the brow exept nigeria. That not very secrtive.

O you fierd a missiles we just not impressed. Remember all those privat citzens firing bigger rockets.


This is not about secrtivness but OPSEC. If every department gives out detail there is no control that is why the UN handels all press releases.