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agaugust: @zaandrew just got banned above, he insulted me because i proved south african Umkhonto missiles CANNOT do what DENEL fraudulently claims as the missile was NEVER tested as a defence against sea skimming anti-ship missiles, the truth hurt him so bad...he insulted me big time and he got banned big time

lets see him use his second email account to login as @andrewza...after he finishes cooking breakfast for his navy officers...south african navy cook/chef

when you log-in again, @andrewza, please show us source to prove that Umkhonto missile was tested against any anti-ship missile anywhere in this world ....show us proof

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by the way the suka speed is over 1000km the otomat is 1000km to 1100km the skua and a min altitude on 10m

agaugust: @zaandrew just got banned above, he insulted me because i proved south african Umkhonto missiles CANNOT do what DENEL fraudulently claims as the missile was NEVER tested as a defence against sea skimming anti-ship missiles, the truth hurt him so bad...he insulted me big time and he got banned big time

lets see him use his second email account to login as @andrewza...after he finishes cooking breakfast for his navy officers...south african navy cook/chef

when you log-in again, @andrewza, please show us source to prove that Umkhonto missile was tested against any anti-ship missile anywhere in this world ....show us proof

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foolish little balled imbercail

was i baned

gst101: yeah, you really need my drug. Its 'Saharan' not 'Shara', gat it?!!! Hahahaha

point stands non the less

gst101: yeah! I'm on some trip in our F-7NI as a mercinery to drop the BOMB in johanessbourg so as to enforce a no fly zone over your Xenophobic republic thereby making it easier for you Andrewza and your Movement for the Actualization of a Soverign State of Volkstaat (MASSV) to seceed from a black led sh!tAfrica

Yes you are on drugs

gst101: which region? Ok,You mean your SADC. I get it!!!

Sub Shara Africa,

gst101: why dont you just wait till we send our elite Naval special force code named OGBOLOGBO in operation 419 to capture Jacob Zuma and bring him to Aso rock to our supreme court to face justice for crimes against marekana miners then you will know how competent we are.

I got to get the drugs you are on my man you on some trip.

agaugust: Britain sold a very weak missile to south africa, that your shiny paint Starstreak CANNOT shoot above 1km altitude against enemy aircraft....nigerian Roland SAM is far better....Pretoria bought a bad anti-aircraft weapon....what a pity





south african air defence is very weak, your foolish British imported Starstreak anti-aircraft missile CANNOT harm a nigerian Mi-35 Hind helicopter gunship attacking south african soldiers from altitude of 2km.....FACT !!!!

dont ask me for a source, or else i will make a fool of you...Roland SAM of nigeria is 7 times better than your Starstreak with its shiny silver paint

you south africans have been misleading people on this forum from page 1 to 12, the truth is now coming out clearly...south african military has very big weaknesses in very many areas, especially air defence...FACT !!!!

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The star streak is undedcbil due to the laser guidance, and very small and a compliantly different class to the roland witch is in the same class of the umkhonto. SA has the strongest air force in the region and would be fighting under friendly skies.

agaugust: your very own source above shows a big news headline that 150 boko haram fighters were killed by nigerian army in the same battle, you are hiding that 150 casualty figure inside your black bum-hole ?




no nigerian soldier was kidnapped according to your own source...you added a big lie to it....i know you for big time fraud

150 boko haram fighers died...nigerian army killed them in ratio 10:1, we won.

about 7,000 american soldiers have been killed by islamic fighters in afghanistan and iraq

lets see your cowardly south african army enter the jungle and fight M23 rebels hand to hand without Tanzania's army leading, guarding, and protecting south african army in Congo DRC

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Yes you all so ignored the heavy casualties (and we mean heavy) that we inflected on seleka

how many insurgency have the Americans killed how long have they been fighting and has it been in the USA.

agaugust:

[size=16pt] all south african DENEL and ASMCOR weapons manufacturing technologies were imported, directly transferred and copied from Europe, America, and Israel for a long period of time from 1960s till 2013.....FACT !!!![/size][/b]



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All?

Who did we copy the ratel, casspir, mamba RG41 RG35, RG31 RG32, SS77,60mm Patmorta, drankensberg, Umkontoi, Rooikat, rooivalk, G7, extra extra extra extra

Yes a lot of our stuff borrowed from other ideas this is not rare or uncommon but rather the norm, only a fool ignores the works of others., the AK47 borrowed from the STG44 for example. The follow with your eyes systems in modern jets comes from SA the look down shoot down from Russia the M1A1 uses a Germain 120mm gun the styker uses the chassis of a Canadian LAV3 witch is swiss

agaugust: 3km altitude, is NOT 3km range. use your head if you have one

the nigerian made missile is said to have 3km altitude and that means it is 3 times better than the only anti-aircraft missile in south africa called Starstreak SAM that you imported from Britain with a foolish altitude of only 1km, nigeria is 3 times better with our 3km

the report says nigeria is testing different sizes of missiles, and that tells you they are not all the same range and altitude. this story started from beegeagle and he says at 2012 the range of nigerian made missile was 70km, then in 2013 people corrected him with update of 120km range.

only a fool like you thinks it is hard to make a missile fly 100km when you already have missile technology, yes nigeria has missile building technology now with sources to prove it, all we need to make a missile fly up to increase its size and increase its fuel load, very simple to increase range.

nigeria is NOT foolish like south africa to publish all the technical details of its weapons on free public internet.

even me now in a far away continent, i can plan how to defeat all south african made weapons because i get all the limitations of your weapons performance freely on internet....foolish south africa has no big military secret any more....fools

nigeria ? fight nigeria and there will be very many surprises from our secretive military forces with modern technology we are now developing to become the strongest military in africa.

with our missile range and altitude increasing every season we do new upgrade and tests, nigeria can stop the big army of egypt on land with a massive surface to surface bombardment of nigerian made rockets and missiles with long ranges.

nigeria is testing many different sizes of missiles, meaning will build surface to ground, surface to air, and surface to sea missiles as Epe base station advances our new technology built only from locally sourced materials.

nigeria will roast south africa like chicken barbecue.....FACT !!!!

The report said 3km that is all so it went 3km nothing more.

You want to compare a experimental rocket to a guided hyper velocity anti air missile? ever heard of the saying apples and oranges.

Is a beagle a member of the Nigerian defense industry or a civilian, And why is the only source you do not think that something of that nature would be picked up.

Who said it is hard? on the contrary we have mentioned private citizens with some pretty high end rockets. We just pointing out Nigeria does not have the tech are the need. Why would Nigeria waist money on this project, when there are over 100million Nigerians in poverty and a insurgency. It is called priority.

It is called marketing, all the big boys do it maybe when Nigeria makes something worthy to sell you will do it. Not to mention not all the details are released, most of the Cheetah systems are still marked classified.

The posted limitations of all your weapons are all so on the INTERNET(like all countries out there), Like you BTR3s Armour is no better than a BTR80s 0r BTR90s aka small arms fire, the range of your J7 being so tiny one could laugh should we go on mr slowpoke.

Really if it is such a security how do we all know so much?

come back when that has been verified

Yes developing something we have had for decades and your projects are still in the diaper stage.

You a fool FACT

Adamskuty: now this nigga need is definatly high on weed,they are more rich nigerians,twice as rich than the whole S.a.

For ur info u deluded one,nigeria is the 2nd richest country in africa just behind ur cave,well! We are to take over by 2015,that was what the cnn and bbc said after all we were far ahead in the nineties... Talking about taking ur rightful place.

What do u have to say about the fact that majority of southafricans are poor,deeply suffering given that fact that ur population is just 40million.........

number 2 and 3 in africa are both south africans, nigeria is actually a very poor country with a few very rich people

NaijaPikinGidi: Small budget? What has your "big budget" done for you? Defeat in CAR and potential defeat in DRC should the Tanzanians leave the scene suddenly!! Talk like a sensible fellow for once ... is that too much for you to do? You can recycle all you want but the facts of Nigeria's military superiority is not our problem! Enjoy!

Sorry how will tanzian leaving mean defeat and if you call 15 to 800 ratsio defeat what is your victory.

And Nigeria can barely contain a threat at home.

NaijaPikinGidi: Your Grippens are an example of wasteful spending! Permanent freezing when they could well have been part of the DRC or CAR action. Do I say anymore?

Cheers!

How are they waistfull.

CAR was never met to go hot and the UN decides on what the need is, they dont see a need for fast jets.

Henry120: I mean, I just had to go back to this post. The F-7NI may not be a 4 GEN fighter, however, that plane is far from crappy. The nigerian F-7ni is of the same class as the pakistani F-7PG. We have shown enough evidence to prove this point.

On the point of IFV's, your assertion is made on an ignorant stand point. Nigeria has a huge number of IFV's ( otokar cobra, oskosh sandcat MRAP, womag(whatever the spelling is), piranha, panhard AML and other tracked variants). What we currently lack is a huge number of AFV's in the class of the badger or stryker( and their russian and french variants).

Our BTR3's numbers as listed are certainly not enough, our panhard sagaie APV's actual numbers are not known. Based on the information available, it is not out of place to say we require additional AFV's.

The Pakistan F7 is all so crappy. And it is all so a interceptor and poor in ground support

Those are all APCs Nigeria only IFV in serves are the BTR3

Again not IFVs

Henry120: Good answer. That been said, I still think SANDF is a poorly trained force. I mean look at the photos I earlier pasted(in my thread) of your SAPS, we could all see clearly that they are not properly trained.

However, you lost in CAR. Act like men, and accept your defeat. No gain in this continuous denial.

That was a media event, basically it was just a show, regardless SAPS is not the SANDF and training is very different.

Mission objective was to protecting certain high end equipment and the training team. other than one comms sytem lost the primary and secondary objectives were met

NaijaPikinGidi: All of these scenarios, groups and individuals in a supposedly professional, rainbow, and strong South Africa and SANDF? It is always a perfect world in South Africa like you all like to portray here?

No one gives a dame about the top 2, but the they do have the right to feel despondent and frustraighted, we can do so much the only thing old us back is will power by a few people.

And a healthy country allowes people to voice there compliants.

NaijaPikinGidi: You received a gift! And you are making a mountain about the same action towards another country? Check the current age of the gift you received and hopefully you'll see that Nigeria bought brand new surveillance aircrafts that outperforms your Dakota air-coffins. Anyways you got third-hand gifts!! Pitch-black pot calling kettle black?

i think he was revering to the fact that when we got the dakots they were new(the first and largest batch during WW2 or still modern) where nns thunder was 4 years beyond it's hull live.

all so you have 2 MPA just 2, the turbo daks may be old but they not useless and has long has you stay away from mountains very safe, they have a prety low crash record.

Henry120: I have a question for the south africans on this board, primarily the white south africans ( @andrewza and co).

Why are white south africans especially the ones who left the defunct SADF after the fall of apartheid so bitter? Why are they so bitter with the current SANDF? Including eben barlow
who I had the opportunity to chat with on beegeagles blog, also voiced/typed his concerns.

I know the defeat at the hands of seleka is enough to bring shame on anyone, but shouldn't the whole nation join hands to build the military?

*On the case of eben barlow, andrewza, syndergp, dictatorzar and saengine all denied him on this board. Well this is a question for another day.

many resoans, some i think are just pure rascits and that is it, some and are the seconded biggest group feel betrayed.


there are othes who are desponded with the way things are, these are the types that would blam say the higher ups and goverment. Some in this group are in the Defence industry and are all frustrighted.


And techcaly CAR was a phyiric victory for SA, or a win where the costs or end out come was a losses. Just saying.

Henry120: I have a question for the south africans on this board, primarily the white south africans ( @andrewza and co).

Why are white south africans especially the ones who left the defunct SADF after the fall of apartheid so bitter? Why are they so bitter with the current SANDF? Including eben barlow
who I had the opportunity to chat with on beegeagles blog, also voiced/typed his concerns.

I know the defeat at the hands of seleka is enough to bring shame on anyone, but shouldn't the whole nation join hands to build the military?

*On the case of eben barlow, andrewza, syndergp, dictatorzar and saengine all denied him on this board. Well this is a question for another day.

many resoans, some i think are just pure rascits and that is it, some and are the seconded biggest group feel betrayed.


there are othes who are desponded with the way things are, these are the types that would blam say the higher ups and goverment. Some in this group are in the Defence industry and are all frustrighted.

obainojazz: hehe.......you killed 800 rebels,what happened to the rest....emmm...they must have killed you all...thats why you all ran away...incase you don^t know,Nigeria dont leave rebels alive,we kill them all...ask charles tailor...also ask jacob zuma...boko haram is an internal issue..if not..they would have been kissing their 72 virgins in hell now... if boko were in SA....your country would have been bomb testing ground for their latest weapons

what is with peoples comprension skill? do you not comprened the term fought to a vease fire?


and nigeria has left many a rebel alive

on the issue of the hind needing a rolling take off it is for a full loaded hind same for the harire jump jet.

And it has come out that none of our fighters are in long term storage, it was planded but not needed in the end

Augustine Again: .

question : which country flies rusted metal cans 3rd hand and 2nd hand Dakota air force patrol aircraft notorious as flying coffins widow makers ?

answer : south africa

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How many times must we tell you. The turbo daks were built in the USA for UK but never flew in the RAAF and came straight to the SAAF. We had dakotas since 1943 and they were upgraded in to turbo dakotos in the 70s or 80s if I am not mistaken. Only 5 of a 40 srong fleet were second hand.

chris365: yes, the nationality and the combat experience of such army. As a soldier you should know this by now.

solders not generals win wars

NaijaPikinGidi: Officer only in SANDF! Deployed only in your South Africa! Point is Tanzania are leading the onslaught on M23. You can't change the story of the Tanzanian troop efforts on he frontlines! All the M23 sees first is Tanzania and of course South Africa cowering behind!

Again I will tell you. Just because the brigade comander is tanzianan does not mean tanzian solders are leading any one. Has a brigade comader he sits at a muiltnastional HQ in goma and just cordenates the FIB. And he still anserws to another officer from brazil who anseres to civlians.

chris365: that source confirmed it long after it's been on ground. am talking about a formal log. like SIPRI

Sipri focuse on miltary hardwar. Is the sandcat not going to be used by the poliece


And here is another online source for the sandcat

http://investor.oshkoshcorporation.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=93403&p=irol-newsArticle2&ID=1568990&highlight=

chris365: show me

You posted a online source.

chris365: it one of those acquisition that you won't find online. it's already been spotted somewhere in the south.

courtesy of www.beegeagle.

You do know that is kind of menstioned online.

Augustine Again: respect ? for me ? no sir, 90% of us dont respect each other on this forum.

respect died within the first 32 pages of this thread...and this is page 732

Tanzania is ranked above South Africa by UN military high command. FACT.




when the Tanzanian Brigadier commands your South African Colonel, the soweto man dare not disobey. FACT.

South African army is now under Tanzanian army command and control. FACT

everybody is getting his own chance to be south africa`s boss everywhere. FACT


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Why dontb you show were the UN said they rank Tanzian above south africa. Because your logic means they put rwanda above nigeria. So please show me a UN ranking tabel of all the milltaries and were they rank them.


Actualy he can disobey him if he feels the order puts his men in uneasry danger. Or if he gets orders from SA. He may be part of the UN but the worst they can do if he disobeys a order is send him home.

Augustine Again: the direction of h.it from a sniper`s ammo tells the enemy his compass location N, S, E, W.

the battalion being hit by the sniper can also pop smoke screen by smoke grenades around themselves and blind the sniper`s view.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Purple_smoke_grenade.jpg/220px-Purple_smoke_grenade.jpg


10 snipers cannot stop a nigerian army battalion of 600 men, maybe 10 snipers can stop a south african brigade of 5,000 men

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That will only give you a rough estermet of his diricstion.


The smoke will all so blind your troops, and most smoke screens can be beaten with thermal sights


If they get a chock point it will be easy to delay a battlion.