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[quote author=drag_on]What did you expect?It is pretty embarrassing to your country and military so it was a confidential memo.Do you think the U.N will talk about a confidential memo?They offered to train your troops or to hand them over to the A.U.(probably Nigeria ) but your commander arrogantly refused.[/quote]And nigeria have driven in to small ambushes and suferd heavier losses. How about india and pakstan who made back door deals with rebels.

SA hit one ambush and suferd a singal casultie. And now some fool who is most likely a white forme solder who's hates the sandf.

agaugust: chinese F-7NI jet of 2008 and Mig 21 Jet of 1970, are they the same capability ? you have brain malfunction ?

chinese Type 90 AAA gun of year 2000 and swedish GDF002 gun of 1980 are they the same capabilty ? you smoke marijuana overdose ?

Type 90 anti-aicraft gun is a chinese made weapon 100% made in china. GDF002 is a swedish weapon 100% made in sweden. did you personally manufacture it's new chinese computer and install it on the Type 90 AAA guns ?

you have head and skull dis-location ?

your dreams and hopes that nigeria will not have any good weapon is like that of Alice in Wonderland story book, she wakes up to find out her imaginations were just hallucinations....just like you @andrewza

nigerian military is powerful....our army is aour major strength for now....we are building a new navy and new air force, wait for years 2014 and 2015, then mighty Egypt will fear mightier Nigeria

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The F7 is better than the MIG 21 but it is not much to brag about.

The tpye 90 is a GDF clone. You should know that.

[quote author=drag_on]@ andrewza it was a confidential memo,so it will be hard to find.The U.N. said your troops have poor training and offered to have them trained by U.N. or A.U. forces and your commander arrogantly refused.
http://paulsmusing2./2013/03/11/south-africa-versus-the-united-nations/[/quote]It not about arrogancy. My qustion still stands. Who will train us and what do they bring to the tabel so speciol. Only SA has said they know of no letter or complant. They caim out and straight out said there was no such thing. And the UN has said what about it.

agaugust:
south africa has no operational cruise missile or long range stand-off missile. i dont want to insult you today, i would have called you a F00L, but no, i wont insult you today, i am in a good mood. all the cruise missiles you posted in that photo album do not exist in south african military service.

where were you when @ndrewza/@figher pilot your two south african soldiers who were disgaced by a nigerian civilian boy named Augustine ? when they confirmed that the only stand off weapons in service with south africa are paveway and umbani guided bombs, the s.tupid slow 35km bombs that i shot down here with nigeria's new/modern Type 90 high velocity air defence computerized guns that also shoots down cruise missiles.


the best naval dockyard in africa is in lagos nigeria, our navy repairs any size of ship, and we are building 70% of the first guided missile stealth warship in the whole of africa with full technology transfer to nigeria for ever, south africa has not achieved that. go sit down. every country has its own area of strength and focus/specialization according to urgent needs

go dream on your bed, this is nairaland, not dreamland. greet your junior sister for me o!

The type 90 is only GDF002. Sa has over 100 of them and 50 GDF003

You failed to show proof any thing.

scipher: SANDF has always been a joke, I don't need to look at any pics...

If we a joke that makes you that bad joke were every body laughs at the guy who told it. Before never seeing him again.

scipher: SANDF is only good at engaging kids lol

So I take it you never went to look at the pics of the true seleka. Untill you do best stop embarsing your self.

chris365: that's not what i saw. i saw their bases abandoned with logistics being paraded by seleka fighters. your government tried to deceive you with their own version and it worked.

Even selekas version is the same.

chris365: i like you patriotism but military drivers license?
how the hell would UN take a military drivers license failure to weigh combat training exercise. it must have been a serious test to prove his qualification to train for combat and to me that's unqualified.

and if he had rewritten the test and passed, it won't have been an issue by now. i feel sorry for your boys' venture to DRC

The UN don't know what test it is either unless he told him.

Any case it was probaly some staff course test. Since he got promoted he has writen and passed the test.

scipher: erm, you mean kids?

Go back a few padges to see the true seleka. And a 16 year old is a kid.

chris365: and who did the counting? the fleeing SA army or seleka complained to your president about their loses?

SA solders never fled from there bases. And selka them self admit they sufferd heavy losses. One captian saying he lost half of his 500 men alone. Another thought he was fighting a force of 400. At that time it had max could have been 200 and was probally only 150.

chris365: please feel free to translate what it means if not unqualified.

It means he faild a test. It does not say if he rewrote it and passed a second time or what the test was. It could have been for a miltary drivers liseance.

agaugust: south africa has never built a tank and no plans to build one yet. that tank in @THIZA's post is NOT a south african made tank, it is british made, you just upgraded it, simple.

would you like to argue about olifant tank so that i can publicly white-wash you today ? give you some embarrassments ? get it ?

The olfany mkb and mk2 were built in sa.

And upgrade is a nice way of saying. New engine,supension,chasie,gun,fire control,armour,gear box,tracks extra extra. It like saying a the new golf GTI is only a upgrade of the mark one golf.

And the israle merkva MBT is all so built from the centurion.

chris365: isn't CAR enough proof that your military is just a modelling agency? since you've not seen any major military operation outside you borders aside from the Angolan bush war which you didn't win, CAR was an opportunity you lost and you expect us to believe you again.
it says the officer in charge of training troops that are to join the offensive in DRC is not qualified, how do you think that will help you win against an advanced version of seleka (M23 an co.)

250 sa solders killed 800 rebels for only 15 dead. So CAR is proof we are trained enough.

We never lost a singel battel in angola by the way.

It does not say he is not qulfied. It says he was caught cheating and demoted.

chris365: you don't seem to get the point. Aside from showing pictures of weapons produced by DENEL and modeled by SANDF, your military are not disciplined and well trained to mount these weapons and use them very well in real combat. even the commander of your men in DRC is a cheat. how the hell can you fend off a better trained and tested Nigerian military?

you better join the body bag industry cos your military will soon be your biggest costumer once they start confrontations with M23

We use them fine, and our traing is of a far high standard than yours. This is from people I know that have been with your forces in sudan.

The comander of our forces in sudan is not a cheat. You should learn to compreand what you read. He was found guilty striped of rank and that it. He is in charge of a traing area. Aka he does not lead men or train men.

Has for the rest of the artical. What extra training and from whom. Has for the letter. What letter no letter was produced and no member of the SANDF or our unions know of this letter or any complates from the un. Cliam of illdisplien yet not one sandf member from sudan has had any complant raised against them.

I don't see how extra training is needed. A sandf patrol was ambushed by rebels useing heavy wepaons and only 1 persone died.

agaugust: south african paratroopers were disgraced in CAR combat by seleka 'youth team B'

best in the world ? south africa ?

tell that story to a deaf and dumb man who cannot hear the lies

did you not see the pics i posted of the true seleka?

our forces in CAR did a great job and proved they are a force to be feared.

[quote author=drag_on]lol,millitary academy?south africa? the same country that can't train its troops?
http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2012/09/25/sandf-in-big-trouble
http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/Exam-cheat-is-training-army-20130407[/quote]Were does it say there we can not train troops. There is a major miltary exsize staring now with 5000 people involved. Comprension is a skill you do not seem to poses.

chris365: i haven't been to both but judged from the amount of foreign military personnel that enrolled in both. and we have always shown to know what we are doing. even you can't deny it.

Do you know the amount of forghiners attending sa milltary accdemys or nigerian once for that matter. SA does not make that info public.

[quote author=Mike..ZA]South Africa doesn't need main battle tanks,but some "experts" are saying we need them for deterrent purposes. We can just buy a fleet of wheeled IFVs like the Badger and the RG41. And are the German Leopard 2 tanks still being manufactured,cause it is the favourite for project Aorta.[/quote]MBT have a use. They defently needed. Has it is the olfantMK2 is still the best tank in sub shara africa. And equal to the M1A1s and T90s of the north. Wheesled AFV can not carry that much armour. A olohant MK2 is 61tones.

chris365: you're a DUMBA*SS MUDAF*CKER

you see why i keep calling you S.TUPID. are you trying to shift from military institutions that you started to military studies as a course?
for your info, NDA also runs military studies, that's why it has been converted to a University for any civilian interested in military studies.

face it. Nigerian military institutions beats SA by far and until your military come here to learn, they'll never win any battle till you die. FACT

am tired of giving out knowledge with nothing in return. is there really any gain talking to you? you seem very DULL and intellectually incapacitated. olodo oshi

abeg clear road make i talk to people wey i fit learn from.

Why do think nigerias milltary accdamy is any better? Have you been to both acadmys, do you no profesors in both?

Regaurdless SA is home to the largest training ground in the southern hemsphere, and great milltary accadmys. We have no need to send people to nigeria it not like you guys have actualy ever shown you know what you doing.

agaugust: its a lie post it again i dare you !!! military use south african satellite and spy balloon, post it you shameless serial liar. if i insult you now people will say i called you a fool. have you no shame ?

So you saying that the south africn space agency lied to parlment.

[quote author=Mike..ZA]That's a Olifant tank. South Africa is capable of building tanks. They did so with the TTD(tank technology demonstrator). YES,the are countries ahead of SA,but we lead Africa. So shut up.[/quote]All olfant mkb and mk2 were built in sa.

agaugust: ....another story of south african military use satellite or DSTV ? shameless man you are ! you never change !

i posted a source of sa useing a satlite in car,

i all so posted a link to the company that built the balloon

agaugust: show us south african made land drone USV and military space spy balloon like nigeria has produces without outside help. you build what you choose, we build what we choose. use your common sense. ask intelligent questions like an adult.

I bielve only isreal uses large USVs though we do have a few bots for rescue and eod work.

I showed a sa spybaloon that even better because it has a radar.

agaugust: most DENEL workers that use brains...white south africans

most DENEL worker that use only hands and legs...black south africans

Now it about race?

Any case there was a documantry I watched showing how denel maintain A109s. And the floor shop was not has you explainded.

agaugust: DENEL is owned by south african government, the SANDF pays for the weapons and that is why they have very few like 43 G6 artillery and 11 Rooivalk helicopters, they buy only what their lean pocket can afford. DENEL exports the remaining, but only 107 G6 artillery and zero Rooivalk helicopter has been exported in 25 year

DENEL went broke and almost collapsed in debt recently, government tried to bail out, and people are crying for Privatisation of DENEL now http://ideas.repec.org/p/wpa/wuwpmi/0205003.html

And it will never be privtieced. Any case it turned a profit reacntly.

solomon111: Denel is not a state owned defence company.
It's just like saying proforce is a Nigerian-govt owned company.

Denel is one of a few state owned defense companys and is the largest african defence company followed by parmount and BAE land sytems south africa(both private) there are a bunch of other once a mix between state and defence.

agaugust: [size=16pt]MRAPS of nigerian army[/size]

only a bush man in village school will say nigerian amry has no MRAPS.

nigerian army has several hundreds of Oshkosh SandCat MRAPS and Springbuck MRAPS and nigeria will be manufacturing many more MRAPS 100% built in nigeria from next year 2014.

try to do research before you open your basket mouth sir.

nigerian army sandcat MRAP

the spring buck is being built for the nigerian cops i beilve.

agaugust: if your made in south african brain cannot pick out european made weapons on @THIZA's made in south africa list, then you have to pay me some dollars for using my own made in nigerian brain

Please show witch was made in europe.

agaugust: nigerian army too, has both towed and mobile rocket launcher systems MRLS rocket artillery of several types

1. BM-21 from russia

2. APR-21 from romania

3. ARP-40 from romania

4. SBAT 70 from brazil

nigerian army will roast and barbecue south african army.

no need to consult your south african herbalist sangboma oracle to know the clear and simple unchangeable truth

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You only have 25 apr 21s

[quote author=drag_on]@andrewza that report is 3mnths old.[/quote]Witch report.

agaugust: nigeria can invade south africa, i did not say defeat you in that invasion, but enter your country and fight you on your homeland soil, and pray we dont ship 100,000 AK-47 rifles and grenades to the 250,000 nigerians who live in your country.

nigeria is a great war threat to south africa, but you cannot invade nigeria in any way

also, countries meet on 3rd party ground and fight war. america and china met and fought in a 3rd party country of korea.

south african airforce Gripen jets are better than nigerian F-7 jets, you said it, we accepted it. now this bitter pill you have to swallow....

nigerian army has 4 times bigger infantry soldiers, 5 times bigger artillery guns than south african army.

both contries about equal number of tanks and armoured vehicles.

the clear advantage and superiority is on nigeria's side and we will defeat south africa if we meet on common grounds somewhere we dont know. live with that fact, or go hug a 20,000 volts electricity transformer...

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4 times has many? you have twice has many. and sa has more IFV and APCs. and remember we actualy have to few yet have far more than you.

agaugust: nigerian army regular soldiers was 100,000 man in 2010. it is now about 120,000 men. it will reach 150,000 men anytime from now.

http://beegeagle./2013/05/08/nigerian-army-expansion-drive-gathers-momentum-set-to-establish-another-new-battalion-at-doma-nasarawa-state/

i delibrately quoted an older number in that post.

wikipedia current total for nigerian military is 200,000 men.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Armed_Forces


nigerian army on the rocks combat !

Has a isaid they have 100 000.

Useing the source wikpeadia uses gives it 67 000. People should look at the source(if there are any) for if it is upto date.