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SaffronSpice:
It is very necessary that we begin to do the right thing henceforth. When Oba Okunade Sijuade joined his ancestors, so many papers carried it then, that the proper procedure in announcing his passage was not followed. They made it clear, that it was the Oore that was supposed to announce the death officially. So, that is the situation. It is a known history, whether it is followed or not, it is another thing entirely.Let me give you a similar example, prior to 1914, when any Oba died in Benin, they must bury such an Oba in Ile-Ife, since the time of Eweka. It was even Oba Sijuade, who said it, in one of the interviews he granted. He said the last one that happened was around 1914 and since that time, it never happened again. The Benin Obas are never brought again to Ile-Ife for burial. Up till now, the Benin people have a grotto in Ile-Ife. Oba Ado Bini where they were usually buried. So people may not now say you must carry the corpse of an Oba of Benin to Ile-Ife to bury. These are the type of things that are fast changing the way and manner things were done in the past.
https://guardian.ng/features/culture/up-till-1914-benin-obas-were-buried-in-ile-ife-oore-of-mobaland/?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C7429383709
Obaluf0n , macof , aljahrem...
Read this coup de grace the Oore gives AreaFada2 for trying to belittle Mobaland hahaha

Lol! Chai. BEDC just cannot stop churning out lies written by their fellow liars.

Full time job though. There is dignity in labour, even dirty labour.

admax:
So what's the moral of this long epistle?

That some women can fight dirty, implicate anybody just to get their way.

SaffronSpice:
Hehehe.
You are a gift that keeps giving.
You, tell me about my land.
LOL.Dude what strain of weed do you smoke?
I asked you to provide a proof to back up your claim and you are here posting fiddlesticks after leaving me with "to be continued" .I guess you dug around and found nothing to bolster your lies so you absconded,eh ?
Come off your low horse,man.
You are ignorant and arrogant at the same time- what a bad combination.
You know nothing about mobaland.Have you ever been to the place before?Yet you think you are a doyen of mobaland's history.
Ridiculous!
Why am I even engaging you?
You were demistified the last time we debated this topic,so sit down and be humble .
Mobaland is blessed.Do you know the rank of the Oore of Otun in Ekiti?
I won't nibble the BBC,tell us your history,and all other diversion baits you posted.
All i have to tell you is - leave Otun/mobaland out of your revisionism.

Tell me his rank before October 1st 1960.
Because we know that many Baale & white cap chiefs are now even 1st class Obas. Many raised by military governors.

Show me the gazette showing his rank before independence.

Otun is just about the last place I want to worry about its history to be honest. I have far more interest in Indus valley civilisations for example.

MissRaine69:
There is no such thing as a former gay man. He is the worst candidate in terms of being a husband he will just sleep with men whilst married. That's his orientation you can't switch that off. What's deceitful is pretending to be heterosexual just to fit in socially. He is just another man who is on the DL.

But he might be genuinely bisexual. Lots of gays/lesbians are.
So you might be right that he could still do men.

But a lot of bisexuals (married as hetero) already secretly do their gay/lesbian partners.

One could even be married to one for decades without knowing. At times his best buddy they watch football together is the gay lover. I know a married lady with kids who still secretly does her lesbian friends from their university days. Her hubby believes she stopped when they got married. But she didn't.

His story will change if by 2019 or 2023 he gets no plum FG position.

He's saying what the powers that be want to hear.

We yaff seen it.

But the wardrobe nor increase her 5 naira akara bweast size.

KEVIND:
Then how come Election took place in those areas without any single gunshot in 2015.

Lol. Maybe they just gathered all the PVCs, went to one Emir's palace and all voted APC without real voters being there, who knows?

He's just being silly disingenuous though.

Boko was purposely strengthened & unleashed on FG to weaken GJ government, so why won't their activities increase?

Sorry about that.

But do some introspection honestly.

What could be scaring them off?

Are you good in bed in your opinion? If not, some may just consider it a waste of time sticking around. Let nobody fool you. It is not all about sex BUT very important for many people.

Does your behaviour change after first sex like becoming possessive?
Do you now start harping on about marriage after sex?

Consider all the guys you have been with: are they all the same type of people? Maybe potential gigolos? Did they pay you money after sex or you insisted "codedly" on money?

One embarrassing thing almost no guy will tell you after sex: some ladies have a pungent (usually strong fishy) VJ flavour that she may not perceive herself. It maybe due to bacterial vaginosis that is not causing her any symptoms.

It can be treated nicely. But nobody wants to embarrass a lady. And they won't return again though.

If all the above do not apply, then just be more careful. Study your dates more. Find out their plan. And more.

grandstar:
Linda is pretty. What I detest about her and are family is this over fascination with money

My dear, 90% of people are like them moneywise. Let no body fool you.

All those kidnappers, ritual body part dealers, greedy girlfriends, scammers, politicians, corrupt civil servants, relatives squandering money sent by abroad based relatives hate money, bah?

The Ikejis even earn their money legitimately sef. What one cannot say of very many people out there nowadays.

macof:
You are the one acting dull here. Making noise about Bini being a powerful empire. No real historian or cultural anthropologist considers Bini a praiseworthy Empire. As a kingdom it did remarkably well but lets not exaggerate and insult true Empires

Well, the writing by an enlightened kinsman of yours below completely rubbishes your BEDC credentials:

http://adwalay..co.uk/2017/07/the-benin-invasion-of-lagos.html

SaffronSpice:
if i am the otun guy you're refering to here,then your situation is worse than i thought.
Are you not the same person who could not post something reasonable to support you argument before fleeing from the thread?
Now you are here claiming i solicited for historical facts from you.LOL.Don't make me laugh.
Like I told you then, your problem is pride.
This I find funny 'cause you are empty and yet full of yourself.Hehehe.
Pls limit your revisionism to Benin stop dragging mobaland into its mire.

Ah! At least you admit you were the ignorant Otun guy as your kinsman called you.

You wanted me to give you details of your land. And I refused. Not my job.

Now you claim you did not. How funny.

You should be telling us your history.

Founded by another angel hurled from heaven along with lucifer? Or used he dongoyaro leaves to descend from heaven? Or Maybe Mobo was the biggest empire since Roman empire? Let us hear.

I do empathise with you for having no consequential history. At least nothing that any foreign outlet like BBC or relevant documentary channels would think the world should keep learning about. So bask in the good fortune of the privilege to have been at the boundary of Benin Empire with Oyo. Otherwise nobody would have heard of it here on Nairaland or anywhere outside your environ.

The aggressive tone of you lot shows that the "respectful & sophisticated" tribe you guys claim is just an eye-service but seriously vicious when out of sight. We all already knew that anyway.
You can start a thread on Otun. I have never started a thread on Benin Empire. There are enough people out there to do it. So I never began anything just to hype Benin Empire.

But SW people get near epileptic fits on sighting Benin threads. Their BEDC people go into overdrive.

The below was written by one of your kinsmen. I guess you will label him omale.

http://adwalay..co.uk/2017/07/the-benin-invasion-of-lagos.html

If a Yoruba writer admitted this much just writing about Lagos, clearly mentioning Benin imperial power, then imagine the scale of it if done honestly all over Yorubaland & Dahomey.

We already knew that.

Only Zombies do not.

Defraud to do marriage. Na wa o.

Kenyans do all their hard work in the other room. By then energy for other things is gone.

Africa man get wahala o.

So many still dey dark ages?

Dude, having a little kid gives the whole thing a new dimension. Please do not have another kid yet.

Because as in most modern marriage troubles, money is the root of it.

Are you ready to make it work? If yes, then identify what you can do better. Correct your own faults.

Then have a genuine talk with her. Find out what she expects. How she sees things with you in the next 2 years, 5 years, 10 years.

Then state your expectations from her. In a calm way. Tell her every family has issues. And spilling family secret to others is disrespecting own family.

Both of you are now just being yourselves. The veil has falling. Actually better to be oneself, pretty or ugly. It now a supremacy battle. It needs not be. You're both complementary, not boss/servant thing.

At least you can know each other's flaws now, work on them & accept those you cannot change.

If she has an aunt or uncle she's fond of, involve that person with her consent. She might heed his/her counsel.
Separating temporarily should be last resort. You might enjoy your new freedom so much and not even want her back again. She likewise. But what about your son??

Keep working hard. Get an economic uplift.

Persevere. It is your home to save. If you feel constantly driven towards violence, then perhaps time to reconsider things. Sadly.

liftedhigh:
Hmm...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdCM_wB3_W0

I saw this years ago here on Nl already.

[quote author=Obaluf0n post=58531172]First emboldened -- OK.

Second emboldened -- an ignorant Otun guy soliciting for information on his own hometown from you means nothing, really. There are ignorant Bini folks out there too who would solicit for data on any story that intetests them no mattet how convoluted -- ignorants folks are everywhere. With that said, I shared a link on Otun history during our last back & forth which stated Otun was a market town and was never conquered neither by Oyo nor Bini.

Side comment -- Please looking at the wikipedia excerpt I quoted in my other post, why does it refer to Oyo a much larger territory with several nations under it as a kingdom but refers to Bini a much smaller area with few nations under it as an empire, do you by chance know why or is this part of the subtle plot to tuck Yoruba under Bini?[/quote]

Maybe you should read my other submission earlier about meaning of an empire. Empire is not just about size. I do not remember comparing the size of Oyo to Benin in imperial times. Because I am not an expert on Oyo. It certainly stretched to some Savannah lands going up North. It was used to explain why Kankanfo used date palm to symbolically mark Oyo-Benin border while Benin a rain forest plant called Ikhimwin. According to some writers/experts I asked. Traditionally planted by Benin people to mark a new village, settlement or boundary.
I guess the problem is that you see TUCKING YORUBA UNDER BENIN AS A GOAL. Instead, it is Yoruba people coming up with empire denial as if their lives depend on it. They descend on every thread involving Benin history.

You clearly forget that at the material time, what you call Yoruba today did not exist as it does now. You were Ijebu, Awori, Egba, Oyo, Owo, Ekiti, etc. It was more like Benin, Esan, Afemai of today. They saw themselves as related but different. The standardization of Yoruba lanuguage (oyo Yoruba largely) has blurred the lines. But still my relatives native to Ekiti & those native to Ondo still have dialectic difference even till now. Emir Kanu Lamido Sanusi also made this point a few years ago.

The internecine civil wars in Yorubaland were political but it was partly made possible because they saw themselves as different. Though modern Yoruba people cannot imagine it. Back then, it would not have been perceived a civil wars by most. It was different nations/kingdoms against each other by and large.

You also miss another point about empire & conquest. Successful empires moderate or large were NOT build through 100% conquest. In fact wars have been the least preferred option except where inevitable. It was through strategic alliances. Such as offering smaller kingdoms/chiefdoms friendship and protection in return for recognizing the larger/more powerful king as overlord. And pay homage/tribute.
A land that accepted such friendly terms of suzerainty get lots of freedom to operate internally.
I will give you an example.

In the height of transatlantic slave trade, Benin had banned slavery in core Benin area. But vassal lords insisted on their own internal freedom to trade in their own people. The Oba had to accept. A French slave trader made an interesting observation then. Travelling from Benin City to the port of Ughoton (Gwatto) near Benin, he found along the route about 100 slaves displayed for sale. Like you would see bags of garri or pineapples along Nigerian highways today. In his journal he wrote that all the slaves and slave traders were Yoruba, Igbo and other tribes. That Benin people were banned from taking part in slave trade. Cannot be sold or sell another person.
Today, Benin is one of the few tribes in Southern Nigeria without a slave diaspora. Aside a few raided in border areas by criminal syndicates then.
The smartest way to build an empire was to persuade if possible by projecting military might (intimidate a bit, stick & carrot) then fight if inevitable.

So Benin had swathes of land in Eastern Yourbaland, parts of Ijebu country to access Lagos by land. These were considered different lands then. NOT one Yorubaland as it is now. The level of local autonomy depended on how the land came under control. Owo was highly autonomous for example. Despite being conquered by Benin, there had long been blood relationship between both royal houses, so terms were fairly generous. Even Yoruba historians agree on that generous terms.

Vassal lands did not always remain so. Many used any slight opportunity to try to wriggle out of it or just rebelled. Wars to quell rebellion were not uncommon. So no surprise that only war-like Obas like Oba Ewuare I (1440-1473), Oba Ozolua (1480-1504), Oba Esigie (1504-1547) & Oba Orhogbua (1547-1580, who took Lagos) made the most gains of territory. Lots of surviving Benin ceremonial plaques depicting the triumphant King returning from war were of Oba Esigie.

Sorry I digress a lot but necessary.

Obaluf0n:
Stop lying fam! Well, I am not surprised. [b]Didn't you say you were some old British schooled diplomat? [/b]British trained diplomat who cosigns meme as a source of historical fact

We discussed the emboldebed before, Bini never conquered any part of Ekiti nor was any part of Ekiti a vassal town to Bini.

Otun Ekiti was a market town, it was a trade point between east and west. It was never conquered by Oyo nor Bini, stop lying old fellow.

You can lie I know. But I never knew you have comprehension problems too.
Anybody who follows my comments on important topics would know what i do for a living. Certainly as in real life, some may have found reasonable tips to some problems. No need to brag. British educated yes. Why not? I did not deny others the privilege to.

I remember that topic where you insinuated that the current Oba of Benin isn't well educated. I made it clear that how a UK-educated man that served as a diplomat (ambassador of Nigeria to Scandinavia covering several countries, Italy & Angola) cannot be poorly educated.

Please in your haste to insult others, still try to read well & understand. Thank you.

You see, these days, anyone can claim anything. What I said is on record. And I have said it here for years. One Otun guy first argued same like two years ago. Later he ended up soliciting for more historical info about his town. I have seen many here.
It is even irrelevant now anyway.

KingOvoramwen1:
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Akure defeat BENIN?! ..... STOP BEEN PATHETIC ..... THE DECAPITATED HEADS OF YOUR KINGS ARE AT THE BENIN PALACE

The thing is a son of the former Eleko/Oba of Lagos was my schoolmate. He actually told me his family history. Before I heard same from other sources.

Until Oba Kosoko was deposed in 1853, Lagos was a Benin colony. It was that same year that Eleko Dosunmu had the effrontery to refuse Oba of Benin's command. The first by any Lagos ruler ever. The command was to allow Oba Kosoko return from Epe back to Eko/Lagos. He dared to refuse because British Navy guns were at Lagos harbour (the British now controlling & protecting him) after ceding Lagos to become a British protectorate.
They do not know the history from the source. They read a few revisionist books & think they know.

An Emperor is a king of Kings. One that has vassal kings under him. Therefore having control or influence over territories outside it's native land.
Benin had vassals paying tribute from what is now Delta, Eastern Yorubaland, rulers outside non-Benin areas of current Edo State to Lagos and other places.
Now tell me what else you need to be an empire. They think Empire only has to do with size. Maybe across Sahara desert to North Africa.

Esan chronicles clearly narrates the sacking of Akure in the 1820s because the Deji dared to make the insignia of office (the sceptre & sword called Ada & Eben) by himself instead of receiving them from Benin.

Many claimed that Benin did not spread their language & culture, so it was not an empire. They clearly do not understand Benin's idea of empire.
Benin always wanted to preserve Benin culture & language within core Benin area. So was the sense of superiority Benin had. Benin was very stratified with about 34 Royal Guilds. Each restricted to certain classes of people. To believe that Benin wanted its culture adulterated all over the territories is to completely miss the history.

Even in new territories, Benin only wanted to control central power and take over the elite cadre of the land. For example: When Oba Olua (reigned 1473 to 1480 AD) of Benin sent his son Prince Ginuwa to go and make a kingdom for himself as the Ogiame (The Lord of the Seas) in what is now Warri area, he gave him a full royal court. The courtiers were sons of Oba's own hereditary chiefs to replicate the royal court in the new land. So remains Itsekiri's monarchy & high chiefs mostly of Benin descent till today.
I am product of a similar royal party to Eastern Yorubaland.

Those SW people making noise here mostly have no properly links with the matter at hand. Since Obas are two a penny in SW, some will form royalty here.

Why would Aare Ona Kankanfo of Oyo empire make a treaty with Iyase Ekpenede of Benin at Otun in Northern Ekiti if it was not between two empires? Kankanfo planted date palm facing Oyo direction & Ekpenede planted Ikhimwin tree facing Benin to cement the treaty? Why Otun that is deep in Yorubaland? Simply because as history makes clear, it was to demarcate Benin & Oyo empires. Some nowadays claim it was to demarcate spheres of influence. What is the difference? There is no practical difference at all.

Many more stuff. Their denial is a show of desperation.

frankia:
Look at them. Eko in Lagos is a bini terms if u must know. It means "resting camp" for d worriors dt faught nd conquered. Courtesy Oba Eware de great I.the Bini Kingdom conquered alot of cities even akure. Benin nd British kingdom are de only popularly known kingdom.

These SW people believe that if you repeat lies frequently enough, with a large number of people with ethnic bias reading it, and later claiming to know it as the truth, then you can twist history.

But we are not going to allow it.

SW people have put Benin Empire matter on their head like gala. And we give no single mess about theirs.

Last time here on a similar thread, they conspired to block that I could not comment anymore. That is how dirty they are ready to go.

Many will even leave their wives in bed to stay up and pump out ethno-centric lies first hatched by Awo. To make SW appear like one eternally homogeneous tribe that always dominated the South of Nigeria. Whereas many of them, especially in Eastern Yorubaland, up to Otun in Northern Ekiti, were Benin vassals.

Their sickening ethno-centric antics first cause Midwest to break away from Western Region in the 1963 referendum. We know them long ago.

I never used to take them seriously. But since they used lies & propaganda to oust GEJ and forced a bedridden old man on us, claiming he's the as the best leader since King Solomon, I now cannot stand akimbo.

Zealoy:
y is every average Nigeria girl is only after showing off her boobs or back side, pls is that really an achievement?

Because we celebrate vanity.

Have sex on tv show & become famous & be hosted by governors. Make 1.1 in your degree & get N25K prize.
So which time vanity & nudity nor go sell?

Where are all the armchair feminists?

You won't see them lifting a finger to find justice for this poor girl.
She's not famous.

If it was a showbiz lady claiming domestic abuse now, they will flood this place.

So we have no social services to take up this matter with the police & prosecution service?

Readonee35L:
If you like drive Rolls Royce if your time for death DN reach, your death is non negotiable.

Pikin wey go die - Go die, if you like make you name the pikin Saviour, E go still die

So we should ignore seat belts, use wrong tyres, inflate tyres wrongly, drive recklessly, ignore maintaining car break and other parts?

Because if our time has not come, we will not die?

The West began to make progress when they finally took charge of their lives and decided to get things right.

Maybe that is why politicians (all mostly alhajis & practicing Christians) often leave it to God to look after the masses and save us from bad roads, poor healthcare system & others.

Yhelay:
Thanks for the timely correction but u can do better by giving us this info as first hand rather than second next time... and Op, thanks as well for the post but pls for the sake of posterity, verify every info u give us

Which correction? Go find out about Asoro who was a Benin warrior during that 1897 war. And chief Ologbosere, the traditional second in command of Benin Imperial Army. He fought guerrilla war with the British. For months after the official surrender of Benin army. Until he was betrayed. British soldiers were burning down villages to force locals to betray him out of fear.

Do not let him fool or intimidate you. Ibadan press began trying to dictate our history using early educational advantage.

Can't you see how SW people nearly get epileptic fits whenever Benin history is mentioned?
It was the plot to relegate non-Yoruboid people in Southern politics by Awolowo.

He even raised Olu of itsekiri to Olu of Warri. To the anger of Edoid Delta people like Urhobo, Isoko etc. Because Delta was called Warri province then. Implying Olu was king of that area/province as a whole. It was only resolved when it was changed to Delta Province.

We know the ethnic politics of SW.

We have trashed this topic for years here on Nairaland.
It has become the hottest debated topic whenever it comes on FP.

connectpoint:
Lol... Benin Empire kor... Benin was a mere Kingdom never an Empire

And you know what contemporary people and travelling Europeans and writers then did not know.

Anyway, the opinion of BEDC does not matter. First go and convince BBC and others to change their documentary films based on historical evidence. Then change all other records too. Good luck.

Benin Empire Denial Centre (BEDC) people will soon descend on the thread. From their Base in SW. It is full time job for them. They will find one or two human errors to say it did not exist. They will tell those who grew up near the Benin moats and ramparts they never saw such. Because SW people are the omniscient and sophisticated people on earth.

They are so pained by Benin history prominence internationally that it gives them nightmare.

Cc: KingOvonramwen & Edonation.

connectpoint:
Okowa not going is the right thing to do...I can't comment here on this but i congratulate the UPU for the decision...why must Okowa be there?

He just avoided being labelled an Igbo governor only. A smart move.

I think co-operation broadly speaking is good.
But not one loaded with political sentiments.

connectpoint:
Until Anioma was carved out as a state ke... Is Anioma a state at the moment?

Sorry I meant until it is....

But the logic of the argument supporting Okowa not going should have told you that was an error.

Nikbaebrown:
Who Else Noticed The Governors Of Delta And Edo State Respectively Weren't Present At The Meeting Of South- South/South-east Coalesce aimed at promoting unity, inter-state relations and economical growth I'm Sure Okowa Knws It Would Be Disrespectful and grotesque To harness Delta Into Any unauthentic and romantically incorrect union, especially one that has ulterior motives, because its a Misrepresentation Of Delta's political Identity and history.

Delta & Edo have recreated Mid-West/Bendel stuff before in a similar meeting. Remember that was the only Region created democratically in 1963 referendum. The only genuine region not carved by colonial masters or military dictators.

And Anioma was always part of it. Until Anioma is carved out as a state, it will remain so.

Midwest Region should be it. Otherwise it would be short changing from a historical perspective. Cooperation with SS/SE is crucial though. But the political goal has to be clear.

talk2riel:
Really thrilled with the neatness and serenity. 85% of our cities are trash dump

We did not prepare for population explosion. Better still, we did not control it. People produce waste. Naturally.

oz4real83:
I just saw Oba of Benin's title on this pic. It speaks so much of how important that title was and still is,even to the colonial masters!!!

Obviously. Despite revisionist attempts recently in a much more tribalistic and bigoted country now.

Imagine that FESTAC was holding in 2017. The symbol would be some WAZOBIA thing, not the famous ancient Benin Queen mask. Many today would have argued that Benin is insignificant in the political calculus of Nigeria.

People keep wondering when it all went wrong with us. Simple. It did when we sacrificed truth and merit on the altar if tribe, religion and politics. Corruption and other ills are just symptoms.