₦airaland Forum

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Get a grip, abeg! The other extreme mostly holds true!

When her insults gets to a point, u become desperate to succeed at all cost, and do anything to show her, yet she'll still find a way of belittling u!!

If d kind of woman u described up there was d norm, divorces won't be d fad presently!

Reyginus:
Refund what fund? The fund they have proven he stole or the ones they are yet to prove? What do you mean by Metuh is still y
using delay tactics?

U don't even get d allegations n I'm here arguing back n forth with u??! I siddon dey look, bro.

EasternLeopard:
You don't insult and fight the regions that feed the Nation.
Imagine calling these regions 5% and threatening them.

Any attack on any community will see ICC hand coving Buhari and his low IQ supporters

Buhari good morning.

When d desirable is not available ... Naija is being weaned off ur oyel! Eat it with akpu n goldberg! Its just 25% of d current budget n d rate at which looted funds are being recovered, it won't be needed! We will get by, other regions will be forced to be creative. The going might be hard, but we will get there!

Reyginus:
That's the point I'm trying to correct. Truth is not subjective. If Femi is shown to be a common criminal and guilty by court standards and I still insist that he's a Saint then I'm a mad man and vice versa.

The court can't find Femi guilty of anytin. He can only be compelled to refund d spent funds. The only thing in contention is d source of his funds. That's why Metuh is using delay tactics, they must refund!! The criminal ones, are d ones who actually collected cash from d cbn to misuse.

Make we rest this case abeg! U're right and I'm not wrong! Shikena!

BakireBulmaker:
He has already won!
Organised labour just want to do 'gra gra'.
PMB is not GEJ!!

Amen! Watching tinz activated. Inbtw, 'I' have 33k litres of pms 'I' bought at #87, 2days ago, how many % profit did 'I' just make? Lol!

Reyginus:
Your analogy doesn't fit. Pele and Messi doesn't work because we are not debating who's better. The Apples falling without recognizing Gravity doesn't negate the existence of gravity. And you dodged the thief question. Even if what he's doing is based on revenge what would you call what he was caught doing?

What you are calling is Perception. Truth doesn't change but we often take our perception of a thing to he truth of it. So how exactly has Femi being shown to be a thief based on your truth parameters, or better put, your Relative Truth theory can I decide to call him a Saint and ever be wrong? It seems you dodged the question. With this relative idea of truth can you ever accuse anyone of anything?

My point exactly! My terrorist could be ur freedom fighter. I'm at a point I realise there are few constant truths, and my truth/perception isn't d holy grail.

Let's just rest this. U write like someone who will ridicule anyone who comes out to try turn our truth about d sun n surrounding planets on its head. Yet, we once believed there were just nine(9) planets.

BakireBulmaker:
Well, I trust PMB. Once his mind is made, if Nigerians like they should hit their heads on asphalt, he wont budge.
Now that's a leader.
Most times, the masses dont know what's right. Often times, they dont even knoiw what they want.
That's why a leader is needed to lead them.

Labour once again is gearing up for a showdown if the subsidy is removed. I support PMB to crush them mercilessly.
They are placing the cart before horse by insisting that refineries be fully operational before subsidy is removed.
Nonsense people!

As strong as PMB is, he can't win against organized labour! U can't force pple to resume to work, they already don't want to, u then give them excuses not to?! I'm seriously hoping, consultation works.

Reyginus:
You are still missing the point. What religions practise is not really different truths. No. Truth is not relative. If truth is a relative then a thief who stole and was caught red handed wouldn't be anything you want him to be.

You are mistaken perception and opinions for truth. The Christian doctrine contradicts the Islamic doctrine and both cannot he true. I don't know if you need a lesson on the philosophical law of thought, the principle of noncontradiction to understand this. First law, a thing can never be true and also be false.

Truth is objective and not subjective or relative. Learn this. Your understanding of the sun analogy betrays true knowledge. When the people thought the earth was flat they were living a lie. It was not true. It is simply a wrong understanding of what really is. Truth doesn't respect our perception or perspective. I shouldn't be giving this lecture.

Tell me, if a person, say Femi, was later shown to have stolen, will I be right to call him a saint? Would you see me as reasonable or foolish for taking this stance? Can I even say I'm chatting with a dog and not a man and still he correct? Seems you didn't get the Truth is like Change statement. It simply means both are constant.

D xtian n islamic don't contradict bro. D xtian doesn't recognize d islamic but islam recognizes xtianity as it forbearer.

My analogy of d sun shows a supposed truth could be shown to be false! Knowledge is limitless! With d tools they had then, they believed d earth was flat, so much so they were prepared to kill any dissenting voice.. Do u think our present level of knowledge is d limit? With d tools we have presently, we think d earth is spherical, and are prepared to laugh out any dissenting voice!

Femi has been shown to have spent stolen funds, knownly or unknownly, he is guilty!

Whatever u're chatting with, as long as u're getting legible replies, u take it on faith, it is human.

Truth remains relative! A thief caught red-handed might believe he his taking revenge for a perceived slight, and among pple of like thoughts, he will remain innocent. I once stopped eating eggs because of its cholesterol, until I read recently, cholesterol is good for a body of fighting high bp.

U don't get my point, so don't bother. Apples have been falling from trees since time immemorial, yet it took a Newton to postulate gravity. Pele played football, yet we have Messi n CR7, n in future, someone greater might happen. A bumble bee lacks aerodynamics, yet it flys n hovers gracefully/lessly! Knowledge is limitless! Some things are black n white, but most have grey areas.

BakireBulmaker:
But the 'consultations' are already causing the population untold hardship.
Let PMB just remove the subsidy already.

If he does it d GEJ way, u will be surprised at how fast d street will be filled with protesters! Let him calm labour and all others down, they are d ones that will lead all dissenting opinions.

This is d perfect time to remove subsidy, as pple are already used to buying at exorbitant sums, just pray he jumps on it!

Reyginus:
Let me help you here. You see, truth is like change, constant. It doesn't change and it's not a matter of opinions. Take for example the sun and the earth and other planets. They all rotate round the sun and the opinion of a trillion entities won't change it.

The same thing for the fool. Once you are a fool you are one. We don't judge the nature of things by listening to men with poor understanding of them. A dumb guy can say anything about this status. Dumb people will. But to opinion of a single wise rises above them all.

The same thing here. The opinions or feelings of others don't count. If you can show with evidence that he's guilty, your emotions or opinions will not say otherwise.

Hear u!! Truth is relative! Ur truth might not be mine(xtians, muslims, idol worshipers and atheists). Comparing ur truth to d sun, earth n other planets shows u think knowledge is limited. For centuries, pple believed d sun went round d earth, some believed d earth was flat, so much so, they killed any doubter!

If truth is like change- constant, then how come it doesn't change? Ur truth, no matter ur indisputable facts, might never be my truth! That is just d way humans where engineered.

Reyginus:
No, it's not. If you are one there's not a thing like prerogative in it. It's just like the truth. But you seem not to get my point which simply is Proof. If I can show without reasonable doubt that you are a fool then You are a fool. We have to establish that first but have we? Not yet. Why do you think it is even a matter of prerogatives?

U might think I'm a fool, but a million others may believe otherwise sic-GEJ.

U can show with all ur own "without reasonable doubt", d fact remains it just u giving ur view of so called facts(that's why d US courts have 'hung juries'). Different pple looking at ur indisputable facts will arrive at different opinions; some might even term me 'brilliant'!

Non of d indicted is yet to give a defence, stating those funds were legally sourced! So, Mr Philosopher, make better use of ur 'fool', 'philosophy' and 'help'!

Reyginus:
What if I call you a fool would you feel I did something wrong or my action is justified? I mean who's a fool and how do you know one if I tell you a person is one without having a discussion with him or her? For you, that makes the person one. How logical?

Your understanding of reality lacks an understanding of the law. And your poor understanding of the law is a product of the poverty of philosophy. So, tell me, Mr Reality, what's the real thing here and how did you arrive at it?

By d way; calling me a fool is ur prerogative, me taking offence is my prerogative!

Reyginus:
What if I call you a fool would you feel I did something wrong or my action is justified? I mean who's a fool and how do you know one if I tell you a person is one without having a discussion with him or her? For you, that makes the person one. How logical?

Your understanding of reality lacks an understanding of the law. And your poor understanding of the law is a product of the poverty of philosophy. So, tell me, Mr Reality, what's the real thing here and how did you arrive at it?

All u said above was ? Couldn't make head or tail of what u were getting at!

What has foolishness or philosophy got to do with receiving stolen funds? All d indicted agree they received funds, their defence is that they didn't know it was stolen!!?

So, Mr Law Prof, which part of the law in any country accepts ignorance as a defence? Or what so difficult about understanding that?? None of d indicted is yet to claim, they didn't receive d funds, and until they do so, how can their guilt be in doubt?

What so hard about realizing the funds they received were stolen and as such should be repatriated to d rightful owner?! Can anyone of them prove d funds they received was part of d fund-raising activities of their party? Or u're trying to make me believe, govt funds are allowed for party activities?!

Reyginus:
Is this a joke or what? How did invitation became a permanent residence? Truth is, whether he's guilty or not, to the dumb populace he's guilty. That's the new low we're stuck in. Once your name is mentioned alongside some amount of money you are already guilty.

And there are also the morally incapacitated who call those who stick to the rule of law supporters of corruption. An emerging and powerful group of poor minded intellectuals who call you a supporter of corruption for questioning the logic that makes a person who's not been found guilty guilty.

The easiest way to ruin the reputation of anyone now is to mention his name in a money scandal. By default he's guilty. But these set of people, that is, who label every one guilty once charged, are truly the corrupt ones. Their thinking have been corrupted by their poor understanding of the law. These ones need help.

Well, u seem to have a poor understanding of reality! All those being invited have direct links to receiving illegal funds, they can either cough it out(Senator Nemadi) and be released or go d whole hog of a trail.

That they don't know it was stolen funds is moot before d law; they either refund, pay restitution or forfeit assets!

If u understand that, and still support them, then U need help!

pedrilo:
This govt is setting a dangerous precedent and some myopic Nigerians don't seem to understand it.

What is dangerous and myopic about each current govt probing their predecessors?

The masses win in all scenarios! The fear of witch-hunting will be d end of all corrupt practices!

It wasn't spineless as such, it was him being his clueless self! I've noticed a trend abt ds PMB govt; they leak their decisions and guage public reactions before any official step is taken.

GEJ didn't do consultations, him n his co-buffoons woke up and removed subsidy!
PMB is consulting with NASS, NLC and other stakeholders. They leaked d consultations n d populace is still passive unlike what was obtainable during d budget signing crisis. #commonsenseatwork!

Let see if they cn succeed.

MrBendel:
So in sincerity you see nothing wrong in forgery? What a pity....

Mr Bendel, abeg read with a discerning spirit.

kcnwaigbo:
When did the 1999 senate pass the senate rule used by that senate? Abeg make I hear word!!! The probability of the FG winning this case is zero!! The useless Buhari knows this hence the dillydaying in prosecuting this case.

Hope u read d AGF has mandated d DPP to initiate charges on d case? The dillydallying wasn't for fear of a loss, but d cry of u wailers, when Ekweremadu is called to answer for his alleged sins!

[quote author=kcnwaigbo post=45446170]Which stupid forgery? Anyway it is not about rushing to court but rather about winning!! The chance of the FG winning this case is zero!! The 2011 senate rule dies with the seventh senate!! If you said the current 2015 senate rule is forged then you will have to come out with the original!! [/quote



I'm wondering if u read d article or just typed ur comment? The onus is on the accused to prove how they came about d 2015 senate rules, who approved it, who printed it, who distributed it etc

When did d 8th senate sit to pass d 8th senate rules? U are allowed to be a wailer, but, pls, add commonsense abeg!

modath:
If this is true, it amounts to insult upon injury for Hero, share the money & still got a bruised nose..

Clueless, incompetent, ineffectual buffoon etc

Just couldnt get anything right!

tsdarkside:
you dey craze!!!!...are you my pastor!!!.....thunda scatter you!!!.....

you think because you are yoruba i will go easy on you!!??......thunnnnnnnndaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!.....


ohhhh... sorrry...wrong person...

i meant ashjay001:

Them dey mention beta tribes, urhobo sef open mouth? Enjoy ur darkside abeg!

tsdarkside:
nooo...i am just saying what i think...its not nice that i am happy when a igbo succeeds,and the igbo dont give a rats-ass when iiii succeed...

do you really hate me(your urhobo brother) that much!?.....

you can not abandon me and leave me alone in this contraption called nigeria...i mean....come onnnnnnnn...you are wiser than this kanu-games.....

I do pray for all of Naija to be peaceful n successful! Fortunately, I don't believe in degrading anyone to rise, I can rise all by myself n God!


I told u, u didn't get my post. I'm Yoruba.

tsdarkside:
what igbos like you dont want to understand is,nigerians are happy when igbos succed...it is very strange that yooouuuuuu dont feell the same way when nijeria succeeds...

Pls, bros, u didn't understand my post! So chill, abeg.

Ugonnax:
Y0ruba. Few days ago I was with a foreigner on a trip, when I listed the major tribes in Nigeria during our chat, he said y0ruba rhetorically...the tribe that envys the Igbos. I was surprised and asked how do you know this? He said Nairaland. So keep disgracing your people!

No wonder yorubas are buying up all ibo lands as fast as d ibos can sell them n setting up biznesses all over ibo land! Envy tins my foot!

wadetaw202:
It is blindness to equate a cow to human being

We all end up being blind in one direction or d other! A ritualist sees nothing wrong in sacrificing a human life on d premise of attainable wealth/power.

Some prefer a Phd holder embezzler over a nepa certificate holder of proven integrity.

Another set prefers an Allah to a Jehovah, while some don't even care for either!

Who are we to decide or judge what a man chooses to believe as long as he doesn't come into our personal space? U treat his fuc*k up when he trespasses ur personal space n pray u can still handle any fall-out thereafter!

wadetaw202:
And their rights include hacking hundreds of armless people to death at agatu, right?

I learnt children and women were among those murdered by the fulanis herdsmen. I'm sure you also see such unreasonable acts of murder as part of their rights.

I don't like cultists/touts killing each other for mere territory, but it happens. The average Fulani equates his cow's life to an human life, happens in India too, and because they don't have a voice, we don't get to hear of some of d atrocities commited against them.
www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/200426-exclusive-struck-agatu-fulani-herdsmen.html

I pray they find a lasting solution to all these crisis, but pending then, let's try n live in peace.

santafe:
Sorry bro, you are the dumbo here, Saraki should rot in jail if found guilty in court but what evidence has Sahara Reporters provided to link the man with the protesters. you see your life. Majority of you lots in tha country dont think .
That is why your politicians take you guys for granted and the country is a cesspit . No offense

And u wit ur fantastic tot process isn't racially profiled in ur 'home' country? Politicians take us for a ride because, brianiacs like u absconded! Instead of using ur supposed intelligence to uplift ur country, u're living a mediocre life over there and pontificating online as if u're beta off?!

Sahara has shared d news and until d defamed fellow comes out to deny it, sue them n extract an apology, I assume they are right! How is that different from all news being reported all over d world?!

MJ was accused of being gay, did anyone bring out an iota of proof? Did u see any pix on those career damaging allegations? Pls, just chill with ur own admirable life, I really don't envy it or u! I stayed back, hoping to make a difference, unlike u, who prefers to preach from across d sea!

DesChyko:
If I wanted to sue The Punch, summons would be sent to No. 1, Olu Aboderin Street, Ikeja, Lagos , Nigeria.
If I wanted to sue Vanguard, summons would be sent to No. 2 Vanguard Avenue, Kirikiri canal, Apapa, Lagos, Nigeria.
If I wanted to sue Sahara Reporters, where would the summons be delivered? See? They have nothing at stake here, so they can crap all over the place and no one takes the fall. But since you trust them well enough to be your knowledge bank, good luck with that

Oga, ur site must be domiciled in a particular country(NewYork/US for saharareporters)! That u don't know doesn't mean others don't or won't know! Unless u're an illegal entity, u will always av a physical add, n online news site also get sued!

I gat several knowledge banks, which is why, though u're stuck on their address, I know it n several more! Don't limit urself or ur tots, n realise wateva u tink u know, someone somewhere is past it eons ago!

onenaira4:
I've honestly learned today that Nigerians living in that country are beyond stupid and gullible as Bleep. You don't even need to give evidence of anything to them before they take it hook, line and sinker. After reading the SR exposure of the so AK politician building a house and they provided little to zero proof to verify the house they pictured was actually owned by the man in question and I was shocked how little ppl questioned the 'report', I came here, na the same mess.

The guy in question is a politician but did SR provide any evidence that he hired the protesters? Apart from showing pictures of the man in the prptest, what else did they provide to prove the accusations against him?

The ignorance of you lots is amazing. No wonder una politicians play una mugu and no fucking wonder your entire nation politics is a laughing joke to the rest of the world. The people they lead are just too dumb.

I would believe u're d dumb one here! How is what SR reported different from news reporting all over d world? The onus is on d accused to sue their asse_ss for defamation n wrongful accusations or wareva and demand a public apology!

So carry ur sanctimonious dumb as-s back to whichever country u're presently claiming!

wadetaw202:
Why not wait till these guys are actually prosecuted and sent to prison before making your unreasonble and ill-timed comment?

I won't be surprised if the soldiers or the police receive "orders from above" to release those Fulani herdsman. The order may even tell the police to return the weapons back to the herdsmen.

So you Dont know that many of those cattles these guys rear belong to the big wigs in northern politics?

So, what do u suggest the herdsmen should do? Fold their hands while they being robbed blind by criminal elements who are using the nation's current mindset against herdsmen to deny d herdsmen their own rights?

rusher14:
Constitutional ammendment would need 2/3 of both Houses to take effect.

Again Saraki can never get a third of the lower house.

Of course the president needs to assent.

That also requires 30 days.

By which time Saraki would have been convicted.

Don't even mind him, he is hyper-mental! Even if d senate/house weakens the ccb/cct/acja, it doesn't affect saraki's case one iota! It doesn't hold for any case on-going before passage.

TANTUMERGO007:
he needs our support, all those calling for his head are minority(5%)

Cele tan yin!