₦airaland Forum

uzolexis:
Nigerians are chest beaters nobody can take that from us, I am not here to discuss my traveltunities which I love talking about by the way cos travelling is one of my fav hobbies, so yes I love talking about places I have been to and things I have seen and I think Nigerians should travel out of Nigeria more, we would be humbled if we do that. Like I pointed out in my earlier post,Nigeria is overpopulated so you dont need to tell me about the population of Kenya and Zambia but how have these countries been able to control their birth rates so that they don't have a population explosion like we do. Our population is a big burden cos we can't harness it to our advantage so it's not somethibg to be proud of, we should concentrate instead on educating pple about birth control and all of that.
I know it's mostly foreigners that are in control of the tourism industry but it's creating jobs for the kenyan pple as well as bringing in foreign revenue to their economy.
Thanks for your congratulatory wishes , now let's concentrate on building our country shall we SA is way ahead of us in most development indices,the sooner we accept that, the better for us and the sooner we can work on fixing things.

Actually, there is nothing wrong with our population; it`s one of the things that make Nigeria the giant of Africa. Have a good evening.

MPSA:
What is wrong with your mind, why you wish my country(SA) bad luck in 20 years to come? NONE OF YOUR WISHES WILL HAPPEN, BELIEVE ME SIR KAK NOTHING NEGATIVE WILL HAPPEN SIR

What is wrong with my mind is your economy-that is still controlled by the white minority. You think it`s going to be like that for ever? No, you still have to fight for that, so you`ve just started fighting. Once you finish fighting for that, then you begin to talk about the South African system. Every country go through that process. You are funny;` why are you wishing my country back luck?` Don`t worry whatever I wish your country is not important, concentrate on making your country better and it would be better.

MduZA:
Honestly I have never heard south Africans saying things like:we are better,we outshine them,we are smart,we are the giant of Africa etc..

You may want to tell me more about that.

IronGalaxy:
No it's not the first time I hear about "How you liberated us" song , you guys never miss an oppoturnity to remind us, i see it on this site every time, Yes your chest beating is legendary, No no no even under Apartheid most South Africans never flee South Africa like you see with other African States, people who fled to other countries were our struggle stalwarts, Thabo Mbeki was exiled in UK and studied there, I'm yet to hear the UK claiming the gave us freedom, our leaders were in places in Zamblia, Tanzania , Angola and so forth. There is.a. lot of propaganda perpetuated by your government, like how clothing was send to South Africa during apatheid, I mean come on! No one in South Africa knows about that, What I'm against is that you can't claim you gave other people freedom while you didnt even die for that freedom, I read about how Mbeki was given a hat, I'm sorry to say now you handed us freedom is both arrogant and unfounded, what now of Biko, Sisulu, Sobukwe Hani etc?

First talk to Thabo Mbeki, then get back to me. Uk versus Nigeria in anti-Apartheid struggle. Hahahh!!!! Young man, you may want to pull another one.

omoharry:
will you African stop all this "I am better than you buohaha!! what is wrong with we AFRICANS...haba!! cant we live togther without chest beating among ourselves..we African are all chest beaters...we dont like one another..Hate is what we have toward each other..that is why the white man is better than us...far better than us.even Animals of thesame kind live together and agree among themselves..are we coursed or what Nigeria is better than South AFRICA.SOUTH AFRICA IS BETTER THAN NIGERIA..KENYA IS BETTER THAN NIGERIAN AND NIGERIA IS BETTER THAN KENYA...where has this chest beating landed us...anytime any day, we Africans remain Africans, weather you like it or not...we are all black people and before the white man eye and view we all suffer thesame derogatory statement or impression from them...no AFRICAN IS Better than another...people can be disadvantage as a result of thier country poor leadership but it does not exempte any black man from any African country to be viewed as a different race from the other...we all suffer thesame racial descrimination in the white mans land ...then why are we now descriminating against ourselve while we are together...let us change the way we reason..NO BODY IS BETTER THAN ANOTHER..WE ARE ALL BLACKS.

Bro, online chit-chat can be helpful at times. There is nothing wrong in telling the truth especially if that truth needs to be told. The exchanges here have been helpful. Maybe South Africans think they are better than other African countries, I`ve told them that their political history makes that tricky. Trust me, that can only make all of us very good Africans, especially the younger generations.

uzolexis:
Stop spewing hate ...in terms of development index Nigeria is not near SA. SA is way ahead of us. Nigerians are chest beaters and that's a fact. Nigerians need to travel to other countries then we will stop making noise about being the giant of Africa, I mean other African countries o, not even Europe or north America.
I was in Zambia recently and I was amazed at their level of development,Nigeria does not come close to them right from the airport to the city and every other place I visited. Power didnt go off for more than 2 hrs at a time and in the 10 days I spent there, i didnt experience power failure more than 2ce, I'm presently in Nairobi and it's the same thing, power failure is almost non-existent and their tourism industry is very developed, I don;t even want to atlk about other western countries sef cos it will take us decades to get to their level and this is a fact.
A proud man does not know his weakness and there is no way you can work on your weaknesses if you don't know them. Nigerians should stop bragging and forming best in Africa cos we are not even close, we are just overpopulated and loud mouthed noise makers, we need to calm down and fix our country.

Madam, you mind pointing out the hating part of my piece? I can see what you mean when you said Nigerians are chest-beaters. Here you are, you have just come back from Zambia and Kenya and you are here to tell us of this wonderful achievement, advising us to travel more....... to Kenya and Zambia. We can see that Nigerians are loud indeed.
The population of Kenya and Zambia would not be more than 3 states in Nigeria. So you can see that your comparison is wonderful
And, by the way, any idea who is in total control of the tourist industry in Kenya? I know you are only interested in consumption, but you may want to just find out. Congratulations on these adventure to Kenya and Zambia.

IronGalaxy:
Educate Us? Lol Really? I laugh when i hear such, are you aware that this fallacy is known only in Nigeria? Even under Apartheid there were excellent Black institutuions of learning like the Univeristy Of Fort Hare, which still standss today, how exactly did you educate us ? you really need to stop forcing yourselves on our history, your corrupt government lied to you and extorted money from you and told you that it's heading to South Africa, we know about the likes of Zambia, Tanzania and how they played the role , we simply don't recognize you, no one handed freedom to South Africans but South Africans themselves , I don't recall a Nigerian dying for our freedom. So please stop this fallacy

The problem is, you are hearing for the first time that Nigeria educated you, right? That tells me Nigerians are loud chest-beaters, isn`t it?
My friend, how would you feel if I tell you that you are chatting to someone that once sat in the same higher institutions with 2 South Africans that Nigerian have brought to Nigeria to study Mass Communication for free in the early 90s? There is nothing wrong in you being in denial, but please talk to those that have been around for long to verify. At least, I mentioned Thabo Mbeki earlier on. He was based in Nigeria co-ordinating your anti-Apartheid struggle and whenever he had to travel our secret agents would give him Igbo hat with Yoruba attire completed with checks in the pocket to roam the world incognito. The courses our government brought you to study were mostly Mass Comm. Law and Politics and your people are spread all over Nigerian institutions studying because the end of Apartheid was already looming. So the fact that you South Africans never heard about this shows that Nigerians are chest beaters. Have a good day

MduZA:
You are missing the point...the point is Nigerians should stop acting like if they are the only ones who supported the struggle against apartheid...the presidents of Madagascar and Haiti stayed in SA as refugees for more than ten years,we were involved in Burundi,Sudan ,Lesotho and ivory coast conflicts...currently we are in the DRc...soon our soldiers will be rescuing you from BH..thats how great we are..our president was in your country 2 weeks ago at invitation by your president...your leaders kneeled down begging for SA assistance in different sectors including defence,agriculture,mining ,automotive ,energy etc...but south African leaders never asked anything from Nigeria..except cooperation.personally I dont have any problem with your country,show those artificial muscles to your peers in west Africa.

One thing you and I can agree on, without much ado, is that the South Africa of today is not the South Africa of the 80s and 90s. What Nigerians wanted for you is self-determination and that is what you have today. It`s not only that our efforts have been worth it, but you can also be forgiven for having a sense of who are you? For the next two decades, you will be wrestling with what Nigeria had wrestled with in the 70s and 80s. Good luck

MduZA:
Nigeria should also refund all the money spent in the form of bursaries given to Nigerian students studying in our world class universities today....surely if south Africa was not against dictatorship and the abacha regime you would have not been able to attain democracy...favour has been returned...i dont remember hearing of a Nigerian soldier firing a short for the freedom of south African freedom fighters,its official,very soon south African special forces will be deployed in your country to rescue you from BH..we will never make noise about it because we are not the empty chest beaters...just like Tanzanians,Angolans and Zambians who effectively fought for our freedom , they are not boosting abou it..let those who believe that good things only come from the whites be recolonized...we dont think like them,actually we are not them.

To be honest with you, if Nigeria were to be IMF, your country would have died in debt. You were the one that killed Abacha in 1998, right? Well all the British, the Americans and the Australians you worship today used to say you were not human enough to be independent and, by the way, we are talking 70s,80s and early 90s. Talk to those that are a bit older than you when you are able, they would tell you that you never have a base on the Continent of Africa without our money, Thabo Mbeki is still around, talk to him because we accommodated him in Nigeria around this time
We helped you at a time money was no issue in Nigeria. We did it because we saw you and continue to see you as our brothers. We did it because that is who we are. How I wish we are what you call us-chest-beaters. If that has been the case, we would have documented everything we did for you and every naira we spent on you and your country. We would be on television everyday reminding you how we have brought you to where you are today. Have you ever seen us do that?
The question I want you to ask yourself is how many countries have you South Africans helped to free from imperialists on the Continent of Africa? Oh sorry, you are the masters of cash-and-carry military. Young man, Nigeria has been fighting and dying for Africa since the 1950s. How many conflicts have you brought to an end on the Continent of Africa? How many African Presidents have you given refuge so that peace can reign in their countries on the Continent of Africa? I`m asking you because BBC is comparing you to your grandpa in Nigeria.
The problem I have with your country is not just your primitive cockiness, but to be treating your fellow Africans the way you were treated by the whites in your country. Even if they didn`t do as much as Nigeria did for you, all of them played a big role in your eventual freedom. The Nigerians that come to your country are the ones that could not get visas to London and Amsterdam, so your God forsaken country is not the first choice of any educated and intelligent Nigerians. You and your country need to calm down. Enough of your rubbish

Of the 40 million African Americans, just happens that none of them is following this Yoruba course in America. Anyway, let`s hope there is nothing fishy.

obailala:
What would an Obama visiting Nigeria do for Nigeria?. .. Is that also a sign of progress?

For those that don`t get their priorities right, it might be seen as a sign of progress. We have done enough of that nonsense since our independence to know that it means little or nothing

Lemon12:
when last did buhari visited Nigeria

Haha!!! Got the joke

iambijo:
Why he will even come to nigeria ? We have to take ourself serious b4 anybody can take us serious and respect us

Are we more hopeless than the Egyptians, my brother?

spotlessduke:
i think u ryt nigeria needs to restore its little dignity...ff i were dangote i will build school in one the worst ghetto in brooklyn nd disgrace america by havin a documentary showing how bad it is

God bless you. Problem is, we don`t have this type of mentality.

YourCoffin:
Yes. We should also stop Buhari from visiting our country

How do you mean? Are you American?

junketer:
Op i don't understand how silly u guys think sometimes. If u want nigeria's dignity back then the only way to do that is by fixing nigeria. Nigeria is a mess and u r here talking about obama. Na bcus obama never come naija na why fuel scarcity dey? What of lack of electricity, na obama cus am bcus he hasn't visited naija abi? Abeg go and rest. Obama no be buhari wey dey visit other countries for nothing. Nonsense

All of us here agree that charity begins at home and that no-one can stop us from progressing if we get our priorities right. What we also need to do is to tell the world that we would not be taken for granted. I want you to look at Obama and check the Continents he has visited. You will not find a single time he visited any Continent thrice without visiting the most important country on that Continent. Why should we be treated differenlly? So far, the two American Presidents that have visited our country didn`t treat us like that, so why Obama?
All the African countries he had been to are not paradise, are they? Your point is, as long as we have domestic challenges, we shouldn`t react to this type of rubbish. Trust me, America needs us more than we need America.

Great woman!

knightsTempler:

Lovely.

When the time is right , these people will be usefull to the US government in various capacity, some will sent to spy on our country, some will be sent to the US consulate, some will work as translators, etc.

You are the special one.

ikeg7416:
I'm not even south African and I feel insulted for them that BBC had the audacity to compare south Africa to Nigeria. What an insult to South Africa. Even comparing Somaliato Nigeria is an insult to Somalia. There's not BBB one country in Africa Nigeria is on their level, not one. ****

Are you confident enough to tell us the name of your country?

South Africa needs to refund all the money Nigeria spent to educate them during the Apartheid era, in order to have a proper bragging right. We didn`t just educate them around the world, but also brought them to our higher institutions to educate them, at a time our universities were some of the best in the world.And that is on top of financing their guerrilla fighters around the world They would never have been able to take over from their white masters if we had abandoned them when they were begging us on their kneels. Who is comparing dad and his son? The problem is, when you don`t get the balance of leadership right many rubbish will catch up with you. Everything South Africa is excited about today is handed over to them by somebody. Wait for another 20 years to see where South Africa would be
Anyway, where you have BBC and the World Bank discussing anything Nigerian, their job is to devalue and degrade. Truth is, there is nothing to compare between a grand old dad that has come to wisdom through life experience and a son born with donated silver spoon in his mouth celebrating some flashes in the pan.

Where has our humanity gone?

oluwolexy:
@ Ateri, you got it wrong Awolowo's father is from Ikenne, a well respected Ijebu Remo farmer who died in 1916 when the Obafemi was 7 years old.

Thanks for the correction; it`s the other way round. Many thanks, oluwolexy.

4/10.

Barrack Obama has visited a couple of African countries

spiralwedge:
I

There's no dishonesty or any insinuation in all my postings.

The summarised answer to all your questions is that Obj made Abeokuta the capital of Ogun state to spite Awo.

To single out one monarch on the struggle/lobby is the hearsay. And like i said earlier, it is the same version of your hearsay I heard as the cause of loss of Ijebu state during Abacha/Diya regime.

How can the same story be the same reason for two different problems of two different times at different dispensations?

Written history is what I required from you, nothing else! Hearsays distort history.

You only answered one of three questions.
I will tell you categorically that Makun does not belong to any other town or city in Ogun State but Sagamu, so next time you are writing don`t say what you don`t know. The dishonesty in your piece is that you don`t want to admit that Awujale would not allow a state in Ijebu/Remo zone unless the capital is Ijebu Ode. Anybody that follows the politics of that area would tell you this, so it`s nothing special
You are contradicting yourself by making any reference to Awo in this issue. If Awo was the factor in 75/76 was he still the factor during Abacha/Diya era? Are you telling me that Diya would be in power, create an Ijebu State and allow Awujale to have his wish of having the capital located in Ijebu-Ode when Diya himself was born in the vicinity ( Odogbolu), is that what you are saying?
Once Irikefe recommended Sagamu as the best location for the capital of Ogun State in the mid 70s, Obasanjo would never have been in a position to change that recommenrdation if Awujale had not raised any objection. The balance of power in Yorubaland between Obasanjo and Awo was slightly similar to the balance of power in Igboland between Ojukwu and Azikwe. Awo and his people kept Obasanjo on his toes on all issues and Obasanjo did the same to them, so the possibility of Obasanjo going against what a supreme court judge recommended was zero. But once Awujale opposed it, Obasanjo was in a wonderful position to use his status as a second in command initially. The politics under Diya/Abacha was different. Abacha didn`t want Diya to become more powerful and more loved by his people, so any opposition from Awujale would be welcome by Abacha, since that meant that Awujale and Abacha would become closer at the expense of Diya. So the only constant here is the Awujale, therefore I don`t know why you could find it unacceptable that he played this negative role twice.Ok listen to this: a couple of months ago the dubious Obasanjo now said he would support Ijebu State but only if the capital would be in Awo`s town in Ikenne, please go and find out what your Awujale said to that, so that you would not be surprised when he plays the role thrice. But unfortunately for Awujale now, the balance of power is no more in his favour, he may have to swallow his pride and opposition very soon, because, for the first time in the history of Nigeria, someone from Remo area of Ogun State is the vice-president in a democracy.
You said the answer to all my questions is that Obasanjo made Abeokuta the capital of Ogun State to spite Awo. This is non-sense because I told you that Awo`s parents were both from Abeokuta and Ikenne. His mum was from Ikenne and his dad was from Abeokuta, then how could location of state capital in his dad`s town spite him bro?

Barrack Obama has visited Africa a couple of times without coming to Nigeria. Is it time to stop mocking around with countries that are not giving us the respect we deserve as the most important black nation on earth? About a week ago Israeli Prime Minister turned down an invitation to visit the White House, why can`t our President tell Obama that Nigerians feel disrespected that he has not come to Nigeria since he was elected and re-elected? Or is America that important that we should allow her to treat us disrespectfully? I know our Presidents always like to be seen with the white man, but what have we gained from it? Of course, there is no indication that he would be coming anytime soon, but the question is, should we make a stand whenever he decides to visit our country and say NO? I personally think we shouldn`t allow him to visit our country. We have to start getting back our honour and dignity and there is no better time to start doing that than now that we are no more in a Uni-polar world. What do you guys think?

I`m sure it was on Nairaland that I read of a girl in Nigeria that was asking question about the boyfriend she was having sex with in Nigeria while being dismissive about the other boy-friend that was studying in Switzerland yet managing to send money to her. We should also ask ourselves whether there is a difference between a girl-friend and a wife. Good to be generous though

spiralwedge:
Irikefe report did not mention any of the hearsays in your original posts. And the Benin-Sagamu Interchange (Makun) (Not exactly Sagamu) was proposed as the capital. The report mentions the old divisions in the state and Remo and Egbado were mentioned as divisions created by Colonial Master, apart from Egba and Ijebu . It is normal for all monarchs to lobbied to win development to their domain.
Military regimes usually dont give a damn what a monarch thinks much as long as that is what they want. They can even sack such monarch.
So I insist placing the capital in Abeokuta, Obj intentionally spited Awo and reduce local influence. Obj himself has said and written that Awo was over-ambitious and needed to tamed. And that he did with all his military might. Even the handing over to Shagari was controversial.

Concerning June 12, there are documented publications and multimedia. I only wanted you to sift hearsay from factual history.

I`m not going to allow you to get away with your deliberate dishonesty, so I have three questions for you.
Since you have accepted that Irikefe Panel recommended Sagamu as Ogun State Capital, can you tell me the hearsay in my piece?
Two, which other individual or traditional ruler in Ogun State lobbied to take away the capital from Sagamu, since you said everybody lobbied at that time? The last question is for you to tell me where Makun belongs in the geography of Ogun State, since you said is not exactly Sagamu
Please, answer those questions so that we can move amicably forward. Thanks

fiizznation:
Is only in Nigeria you will see a man/woman whooping someone's kid with all sorts of horsewhip and punishing kids with different types of punishments e.g riding bicycle, frog jump, levelling grass, touch your toes, hands down legs up on the wall, etc. Then one begins to wonder, what really happened to guiding and counselling a child?

I remember this incident where this Nigeria lady who got employed as a par time teacher here gave one of her pupil a heavy knock on the head just because the kid was distracting his fellow pupils in the classroom. I don't know, maybe she thought she was still in Nigeria. Well at the end of the day, the parents of the kid sued her and the school. The management were left with no other option than to drop her and pay for certain damages. If not for some people that intervene, the woman would have been sent to jail.

You better relocate to London and leave Nigeria alone, if you hate discipline

spiralwedge:
Its ok. Did anyone write about this? Or any published interview where people concerned stated this? Obasanjo would have written it about it if it was true. Especially in his book, Not My Will, where he wrote in details tales about the happenings during his military rule.

Muritala Mohammed set up the Irikefe Panel on State Creation at a time Obasanjo was his second in command, so it was the Irikefe Panel that made that recommendation, you can get hold of his Report and read it yourself. Of course, Muritala was assassinated later making it possible for Obasanjo to take over. So you are the type that would say that until Babangida write about June 12, you can`t believe that an election was annulled, right? Bye

Akinrogun:
more grease to ur elbow......I av always bn circumspect dt d Awujale have supremacist inclinations.....with this article, my instinct feels fulfilled.

My pleasure

spiralwedge:
My brother abi na sister, this is a mere hearsay.

As a matter of fact, this is exactly what i heard when Abacha/Diya wanted to create Ijebu State in the 90s. Only that it was a rivalry between Sagamu and IjebuOde. Ijebu state was supposed to be announced in that broadcast either with Ekiti or instead of.

Concerning Ogun state creation, history has it that Obj hates Awo's presidential ambitions, (Obj doesn't hide this in his books or interviews) and destabilising Awo's base with newly introduced states was Obj's strategy. The Awujale said this sometimes along this line this year during Ogun state's 40th anniversary celebration.

Everything I typed above is factual and indisputable, but feel free to describe it as hearsay and rumour