₦airaland Forum

Kobojunkie:
Dude, i think I tried to do exactly what you are doing here like 10 or more pages ago, and then again and again and again, but it just keeps going ON AND ON AND ON ,  Not even sitting to spend time to understand what is being said. lol

You really don't have to wait for people to post and run in to do follow follow. Do you not have your own brain?

And the response above yours is for you too.

manny4life:
Dude no one is disputing all you have just mentioned, what our contentions has always been the cost, seems like to me that you did not grasp from what we was all talking about in the begining. As long as its a government project, its subject to scrutiny, more so, as long as the project was made public without detail is nothing short of poor execution of government. I mean we can dance around it continously, but it remains what it is.

Moreover we do acknowledge we don't now the cost presently associted with it, in economics and finance, there is what called financial forecasting which use nearly precise data from existing sources to make assumptions , therefore, people who have experienced this solar stuff either through a study, a company report, price quote or anything will be used as a comparable measure to this project. Although it might vary in scale, however the resource utilized remain the same regardless. In other words, same PV panels and all other equipment used in the U.S. in CA, will be used in Nigeria as well, only difference is the size but cost and benefit will increase/decrease per unit of of its scale.

Why the long and unnecessary essay if you're not disputing my contentions?

Furthermore, you admitted that you don't know much about the project, but you're still spinning your wheels scrutinizing and calculating without details, facts and figures. Doesn't it sound pointless and redundant? or you're just trying to have it both ways? Like saying you're not disputing but at the same time disputing?

And you can not blame the state for poor execution of anything because propose = intent. The state only stated it's intention to introduce, not even to buy or sell. Maybe it's even a discounted PPP program, who knows?

The state stating it's intention to introduce electric cars shouldn't = people reaching and manufacturing conclusions and passing judgment off ordinary intention/proposal?

And why are we even talking about figures without budgets and operational modalities? Don't you need numbers to work with and compare or you just run your own financial forecasting with your own manufactured or phantom figures?

Precisely, what are you using to measure this proposed budgetless project?

manny4life:
Oh yeah that is what u think. If I may ask, what would that truth be, and what is the bs?

Let's start with electric cars could be powered via solar energy and charging stations.

That we know little or nothing about this proposed and budgetless project, therefore we can not conclusively make informed decisions about it's survival and viability.

That it is ridiculous to conclude that Lagos state should remain in the cave and not plan for tomorrow's challenges till we solve Nigeria's power problems.

That by law, Fashola can not produce and distribute electricity in Nigeria.


And if you think we haven't settled these issues, let's take another stab @ it. I have time and I'm game.

At least, we managed to separate truth from BS.

But it is not unconnected with the intention to deport her to Nigeria. Thus, We all know the reason.

You just arrived at and manufactured your own conclusion, you don't know why and the article clearly stated that they don't know why she attempted suicide.

Abi NL folks have access to her brain?

May be she don't wanna leave her friends, her school or even live with her mother. You just don't know. Are you in her head or have you interviewed her? The article didn't say anything about her disliking or hating Nigeria.

And the thread starter clearly stated his intentions which is to bash naija by any means necessary hence the manufactured conclusion and bogus title.


Drawing your own conclusions and overreaching beyond what's in the news article doesn't mean you're right or your facts are straight.

Trashing your country based on genuine grievance is one thing, sensationalism and deceptively twisting news articles and manufacturing your own side story just to needlessly trash your own country is another.

It's called dishonesty and flawed sense of judgment.

Nigerian hell hole? Didn't  the article opined that it wasn't clear why she attempted suicide?


Another negatively loaded alarmist thread designed to needlessly trash and smear.


What else is new? Negative Calvary is on patrol.

One of them is to make sure that there is a sticker on every car, and they must be renewed every 2 years or 3 years, and before you can renew it, you make sure emission test has been done and passed.
This will help the environment and renewal, i am sure you know wont be for free, so govt can generate money with that.

2. They can impose property taxes on homes, and make sure that they are paid to the govt,  and if you refused to pay, your home or the revenue from it can be garnished, mind you the govt will have to put things in place to make sure that it works.

3. BRT as done by the govt, though, i haven't seen it, but heard some good things about it, so i think the govt needs to encourage people to use it, and make driving within lagos an expensive one, it will cut down on the polution, it will generate money for govt and at same time cut down on the traffic. . . all they need is probably some Toll going into the highlands.

#3 Sounds good and workable.

#2 Sounds good and I'm glad you inserted "govt will have to put things in place to make sure that it works"

#1 Sounds dead on arrival simply because of fraud via fake stickers and documentation. Bar coded stickers should be introduced instead because they're hard and almost impossible to duplicate. I know the state is into bar coding so it shouldn't be a problem reading the stickers with hand held readers.

xcapade:
Yes somebody got to pay but there are over a million ways of generating revenue

Stopping Luxury cars is discriminatory and crude.

Name a few,


And people rolling around in luxury cars and throwing lavish owambes on the backs of other tax paying lagosians is equally crude and discriminatory,

wirinet:
Babapupa, see how you shoot your self in the foot, or is it in your fingers in your attempt to deitify Fashola. The link you provided was dated Aug 23 2006 , or was fashola in power in Aug 23 2006.

When we are having a debate counter your opponent's arguments with your facts instead of just dismissing it as meaningless internet analysis.

How do you know the villagers are fine? from the picture? or you have been to the village?. Are those the panels that is used to power a village of 5,000 inhabitants?

Baba you are giving Fashola a bad name.

Quit being silly and stop acting like you don't know how to read, I said "the state", not Fashola.

Why is it so heard for you to read and comprehend?

Is the village not in Lagos state?

And what difference does it make if it was in 2006? Did it changed the fact that the state carried out it's obligation and helped?

And are the folks in the picture complaining or do you have a letter of complaint from them?

Your 5,000 inhabitant is irrelevant, it was done so end of story. The article inferred that money was saved and you didn't pay for it so why are you crying?

You guys need to quit coming up with all these silly nitpicking arguments.


@Fhemmmy

Use your head for a change and quit doing follow follow.

MUZBO:
@Babapupa, don't waste time defending Fash from these crap-talking bunch of player haters. Aloy started this thread with the intent to disparage so they'd never be rational. Kobojunkie is busy living the American dream, driving SUVs and contributing to the green house effect yet telling us to ride bicycles instead of electric cars. When I brought in some superior points he became as quiet as a church mouse. The CNN program- Inside Africa did an exposé on Fash and his exploits on the environment and Fash said: "We have decided to do things that people can see and judge us by. . .". Let those cortically blind knock-out mice keep knocking themselves out; the sun would shine whether they see it or not!

Of course these guys don't give a hoot about Lagos state or any other entity in Nigeria, I see them pull the same pathetic nonsense all the time. They'll start a thread just  to talk crap and ridicule other people's ideas and initiatives without facts and sound reasoning.

These guys act like perpetual pessimistic sadists with nothing to be proud of or encourage anywhere. Look at Aloy Emeka, I posted yesterday that if Fashola fixed Nigeria's problems tomorrow, he'll still come up with some other reasons to yell, cry and still be dumbly and cluelessly negative, the guy turned around and proved me right.

You can't help but question their sanity sometimes. Imagine the dude suggesting that Fashola should go start a farm like Obasanjo with public funds, you got to ask yourself if these guys are for real or they just love to pull crap out of their ass just for the heck of it.

I really hope and pray that these guys don't get behind any state gov' desk in Nigeria, we'll def' get worse than what we're experiencing today with their flawed sense of reasoning.

Their mentality is like having a six burner stove and refusing to boil rice or make fufu on a separate burner till the stew is ready on the other burner. It's very kindergarten to say you can't and shouldn't think about or find solutions to tomorrow's problems because you still have today's on your table. It's so ridiculous, even kids multi task.


They even lie with facts, I mentioned the 10 lane Badagry express with dedicated BRT lane and light rail system, dude came back with some BS about other states doing the same thing when it's obvious the project is 1st in Africa and there's nothing similar on the drawing board outside lagos, even in Abuja.

How do you discuss issues with dishonest and factually challenged people peddling bold face lies and distortions just because they want to criticize and bad mouth by any means necessary regardless of know and documented facts?  And when you ask them to prove you wrong with their own facts, they abscond and show up later with other ridiculous nonsense.


I  truly agree with you of course. Just because we engage them doesn't mean we're oblivious per their objectives. We know and see what Fashola is doing and I'm proud of him.

They obviously need to go find something to be proud of in their neck of the woods if there is any.

Lagosians are ok and have no problem Fashola and his ideas so NL naysayers are irrelevant.

wirinet:
Babapupa, you are going to make me to start looking at Fashola more critically with all the lies and propaganda you are spewing out on nairaland. We already appreciate how Fashola is transforming lagos, so you do not need to tell us cock and bull stories to vote him in in 2011.

You said he wants to introduce electric cars in 2010, i explained that it is not a feasible project and even asked you to show me where electric cars had been provided for public or private transportation in any part of the world. You defense was that you do not know the details of the scheme, but you are ready to defend the scheme with your life.

Then you bought a fable that Fashola want to power a village of 5,000 inhabitants with solar energy, you then went on to lie that to connect the village of 5,000 inhabitant to the national grid would cost 150 million naira but with solar energy would be about 10millon.

Let me enlighten you on the  technical details;

A village of 5,000 should have at least 1,000 houses or hut, assuming an average of 5 persons per household. And the basic electrical consumption should be at least 200w, allowing for a few light bulbs, a fan, TV, video and radio. (No fridge, Electric cooker or Iron). So the total consumption of the village should approximate 200,000watts or 200kilowatts. (minus light consumption for public spaces and street lights). To generate a 200kw of electricity using solar would cost well over 10 million naira. In fact to generate about 10kw to power a well fitted house by only solar energy would cost you at least 5 million. I am sure your defense would be "i do not have the details" as usual. Maybe what fashola did was to but some solar lamps costing between 5,000 - 10,000 naira and place them in public places, and voila, Fashola has powered a village using solar.


I looked at your links and found out that you just googled " solar lamp lagos state" and then copy and paste whatever information you find, without understanding the facts.

First the very first statement of the site which says[b] "The tropical climate makes solar energy the most viable alternative source of renewable energy in Nigeria"[/b], is wrong.  Solar energy is not usually viable in tropical climates, not enough sunshine hours, too much humidity, wind not powerful or sustained for long enough, and a host of other problems. Solar energy is more viable in desert areas or very windy coasts of the world. In the tropics, solar energy is best used in conjunction with national grid or generator, so one would act as a back up for the other.

Observation: I noticed that there are lots of days when the traffic lights installed by the lagos state government do not work due to inadequate sunshine. The designers should not have relied solely on Solar, they should have incorporated grid electricity and a small storage battery, so that one can act as back up for the other.

www.ecofriend.org/entry/solar-power-brings-light-to-the-dark-nigerian-village/+solar+lamp+lagos+state&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a">http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:YzUoWvXcTsIJ:www.ecofriend.org/entry/solar-power-brings-light-to-the-dark-nigerian-village/+solar+lamp+lagos+state&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Dude, I'm not interested in your recycled and irrelevant argument.

I quoted a news article about the state's solar power initiative in the village, read and comprehend.

And of what use is your meaningless internet analysis?

The villagers are obviously fine with the state's help, but you're entitled to rant to your satisfaction of course.

Roflmao @AloyEmeka!!

Is it possible that you could IGNORE these posts that are just meant to keep taking away from the main issue here? I think it is clear at this point that this to him is just another avenue to advertize THE MAN rather than

focusing on the IDEA itself which is what the thread is really about.

There has been some rather interesting and intelligent comments on this issue and I believe if we IGNORE the ramblings, we might get some really good input here.

See irony.

Is the same AloyEmeka you're rolling on the floor with not the same person responsible for diverting the thread? Who was crying about food, roads and medical? Abi not the same AloyEmeka you're hi 5ing? what's electric cars got to do with food, water and medical? or is Aloy Emeka and his posts invisible to you?

Did you say anything to him about staying with the issues? Of course not, why act dumb with your silly post?


Even with you still siting and whispering from the fence like a coward, your post is still full or hypocrisy and dishonesty. Shouldn't you be Roflmao at your absurd post?

Btw, pulling facts and pictures to highlight your points points = advertize THE MAN?

Is it paining you that I'm backing up my points with facts and pictures?

You must have been advertising folks with all the links you've posted in this thread alone.

Very comical.

You really are overworking your brain.

agitator:
Typical Nigerian way of thinking. Taking photos of villagers with solar panels. Please show us the wiring and the houses that are lighted up.

Basically, you're saying the solar panels are just for decoration? The villagers just like solar panels so den just plant dem for backyard to pose take foto?

Are you even using your brain?

You sure you don't wanna read again?

Bishop Kodji is the first village that got electrified under the Lagos State government’s pilot solar energy project. It is a small island in the Atlantic Ocean off Nigeria, living on fishing and canoe carvings.

Before the successful tapping of solar energy to produce electricity, the 5,000 population here had never known what electricity is! Harnessing renewable energy sources in such remote areas are much cheaper compared to what it takes to connect each village to the national grid. It costs about 150 million naira (around 1.2 million dollars), while solar energy project costs only about 10 million naira (around 83,000 dollars) per village!

You don't have to like the fact that the village is enjoying electricity because Lagos state carried out it's obligation by providing solar alternative.

I do and I'm happy for the villagers.

About the problem with Nigerian way of thinking, some of us are not cynical pessimistic sadists and we don't dwell in negativity and mindless criticism, but you are free to, it's your choice.

Aloy~Emeka:
I am very sorry. The guy is sounding more desperate and ridiculous at the same time. How can someone post those links in defense of Fashola?.  A hospital like any other in Nigeria and a pledge to open a rice shop?. Does he know how many igbo traders that trot the whole of West India everyday looking for farmers who can sell cheaper rice to them?.

Although lagos state should overlook farming from my opinion. there are so many arable states in Nigeria whose governors walk around clueless  in chieftancy attires.

But you said he's not doing anything about the food situation in his state and I provided proof that he is. You also cluelessly suggested that he should do what obasanjo is doing with public funds. So, who is ridiculous?


Why don't you show me the any other hospital in naija. Till you do and back everything you're typing with facts, the joke is on you.

lol @ pledge to open rice shop. Dude, Eko Rice hit the market way back in February. You're not even making sense anymore or you just don't know how to read and comprehend.  lmao.

Stop the stupidity abeg.


“Prejudice is a great time saver. You can form opinions without having to get the facts.”

E. B. White

agitator:
Lagos state government is not the only state that had provided equipment for the Nigerian police (check you facts)

you are trying to argue blindly 9ja way, and that is what has brought us to where we are now.  Somebody does little things he is praised when he starts deviating and people complain, others will justify it by pointing out the things he had done before, thereby encouraging him. Pointing out fault is not crucifying him.

Slow your roll, I said Fashola is solely equipping the Nigerian Police in Lagos, I didn't say he's the only governor providing equipment for the Nigerian police.

So what facts do you want me to check again? Now, who is arguing blindly?

Read and comprehend and quit letting your misguided thoughts shuffle ahead of your brain.

I don't do pessimism and negativity and I'm not asking you not to wallow in your negativity.

We're all sharing Ideas and knowledge about our states/country. Share with me or prove me wrong with your own facts and pictures, @ least I'm man enough to come up with something to support each of my contentions.

And if you don't mind me getting petty just like you. Did any other state donated 114 police cars. Did any other state donated power BMW bikes?

Did any other state created police fund?

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Talk is cheap, put up yours or keep quiet.

Aloy~Emeka:
How do you know that?

Many hospitals are better than this crap you posted above. What is the big deal about new beds, some microscope, oximeters and a small autoclave?. The major business my family is involved in is hospital equipments and I understand the business more than you can count ABC.  Nevertheless, his effort is commendable for a government hospital but don't mention it to another person that it has the best diagnostic eqipment in Nigeria unless there are more equipments that are not shown in the picture.Again, Fashola is trying but I don't know why you keep posting this road everywhere as if its the only road in Lagos besides, other states are doing the same in road construction.

Pictures will not cut this, where is the water?



You've messed up all your efforts to boost Fashola's image on this thread with this rubbish you posted here. What is the big deal about starting a rice brand?. Why is Lagos state meddling with that kind of business in the first place?. I am talking about farming like Obasanjo farms and not a rice brand.  $20K will fill one 40ft container of rice from bangladesh and you can create a brand with it. If you like, you can call it BABAPUPA parboiled rice. If it sells, you head to CAC with a lawyer, make the name official and head to India, Thailand or Bangladesh for more supply. You may need to prepare to stay longer abroad  because it takes time to bag the rice and they wouldn't bag it for you unless you pay upfront. Let me teach you small scale enterprise so that Fashola's maga won't make you tremble next time.  I created my first business brand at age 22.
A lot of this nonsense you posted up here are in Nigeria mainly run by catholic charities. Go to Umuahia, Enugu, Onitsha, Iperu Remo, Adoka, Benue state, Jos etc. Get real  please, its either you haven't travelled beyond Lagos in Nigeria or you are convinced you just caught one online mugu in me.

Dude, you said the state is not doing anything about roads, food and medical.

I produced credible evidence  that the state is spending money and paying attention to everything you listed.

Don't you first have to admit that the state is indeed doing something about medical before you start latching on to the fact that it's not up to your armchair standard? what do you really want? do you really know what you want or you're just b-polar?

Let me indulge and stoop to your level for a second.

I don't care what you know or what your family is into. I worked at a couple of hospitals too and I know what's in the pictures.

What are major diagnostic tools? Xray, MRI, Cat scan, fully equipped and functional lab like the one in the picture.

So, did you conveniently forgot to list those or prejudice took over while you were listing  your microscope, oximeters and a small autoclave?

Did you really missed all the big machines and spotted just the little bitty oximeters, lmao


Btw, you lied, I know a whole lot about oximeters and there's non in the pictures.

See how bad bele and prejudice took over your brain?

But your argument was that the state is not investing in medical.

Instead of crying like you always do, why don't you show me a better equipped hospital like the one in the picture, do that or just keep quiet.

About badagry express, sounds like it's paining you.  Did you not criticize the state for not spending on roads?

Talk is cheap, show me a modern 10 lane freeway with dedicated BRT lane and light rail system outside Lagos state. It doesn't exist in Abuja, not even in Africa/outside Nigeria.


About water, I'm sure you know how to read and comprehend.


About food, why the side story? Again, don't you have to first admit that the state doing something about food before typing your side essay? And it's not the state's job to set up aggro business, Lagos state is not a private entity like Obasanjo.

Private entities invests in those while the state creates subsidies and conducive environment to operate, but ours is a country where people are not investing in Aggro business.  

Having said, the state is still steeping up with it's own initiatives with projects like the eko rice to augment food supply within the state.

Is it not stupid and dumb to be asking the state to do what Obasanjo is doing with public funds? Really, do you think before you touch your keyboard or you're just clueless.  

Your demands, suggestions and criticisms are not only ludicrous, they're ridiculous and puerile.


About the transit home for victims of domestic violence, show me something similar or anything at all in any other state or just keep quiet.



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How do you know that?

You just proved my point.

I said if Fashola solved Nigeria's problems tomorrow, you'll still come up with something to cry about.

I just listed what Fashola did or is doing about everything you cried about, but you still managed to cry, belittle, negate and discount everything.

Quote from: Aloy~Emeka on Yesterday at 05:57:28 PM
The closest we need now is to map the whole Nigeria digitally, reinvent a functional police that are lettered. State governors can then purchase choppers for the police so they can combat crimes aerially. I don't see how expensive this will be. The private sector especially the banks that carry money around should be taxed more for the maintenance of the aerial police.

Lagos flags-off digital mapping, geographical info system
By Sonny Aragba-Akpore and Adeyemi Adepetun

FOR Lagos State Governor, Mr. Babatunde Raji Fashola, the state should score many firsts before 2011 when his tenure expires.


http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/compulife/article01//indexn3_html?pdate=170609&ptitle=Lagos%20flags-off%20digital%20mapping,%20geographical%20info%20system&cpdate=180609

http://happylagosian..com/search?q=digital


Obviously and fortunately for Lagosians,  Fashola is a million miles ahead of you.

Is the man not doing anything and we're just praising him as claimed by many detractors?

Obviously, you have personal/other issues. You sound too prejudicial and bi-polar.

I really understand people's sentiments about the guerrilla tactics, but people need to realize the kind of tough and challenging tax culture environment the state is operating in.

Burning paying taxes into people's consciousness after decades of free ride is obviously something new and I'm sure a large segment the population is coasting off the rest of tax paying Lagosians free of charge and the state got to find a way to make sure every lagosian pitch in to sustain the state and it's transformation efforts.

The highway, the plants, the grass and the good looking bust stop in the picture cost money to set up and maintain. There are thousands of cleaners and sweepers cleaning up all day all around the state and they are all collecting pay checks.

Bringing in new equipments and training people to serve 18 million people is not an easy moneyless task, lagos welcomes 10,000 new arrivals from all over Nigeria looking for a better life and opportunities.  Education is there, transportation is there, health/medical is there, civil service is there and we still have tons of multi million dollar ongoing major projects all over the state.

This is an active and pro active government, not take money and steal government. These guys have strong and personal desire and commitment to better and move their state forward.

For example, the state just digitalized health information in the state. If you visited a general hospital in Ikorodu for stomach ache last month and you turn and around and visited another state hospital in Lagos island, hospital staff in Lagos island have access to your medical info including info about your last visit in Ikorodu,what you went there for, what was done and what they prescribed, your allergies and basic demographics. The state is saving money and getting rid of unnecessary paper work. This is not eve available in the US because they're still trying to insert and federally legislate it as part of the health care reform bill.

School kids in Lagos have PIN numbers (prelude to state wide social security and ID scheme) Their unique ID numbers gives them access to state benefits including basics like free books, boys scout and girls guide uniforms.




This is a state of the art waste transfer and loading station.
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See this lady? She's the only 18 wheeler truck driver in Nigeria.
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Obviously, they're building a new and different society from scratch and it's not gonna come cheap, somebody got to pay.

Aloy~Emeka:
The closest we need now is to map the whole Nigeria digitally, reinvent a functional police that are lettered. State governors can then purchase choppers for the police so they can combat crimes aerially. I don't see how expensive this will be. The private sector especially the banks that carry money around should be taxed more for the maintenance of the aerial police.

Lagos flags-off digital mapping, geographical info system
By Sonny Aragba-Akpore and Adeyemi Adepetun

FOR Lagos State Governor, Mr. Babatunde Raji Fashola, the state should score many firsts before 2011 when his tenure expires.


http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/compulife/article01//indexn3_html?pdate=170609&ptitle=Lagos%20flags-off%20digital%20mapping,%20geographical%20info%20system&cpdate=180609

http://happylagosian..com/search?q=digital


Obviously and fortunately for Lagosians, Fashola is a million miles ahead of you.

Is the man not doing anything and we're just praising him as claimed by many detractors?

manny4life:
Nope you cannot charge on solar energy, this energy has to be converted to electricity and I yes it would be good to charge for the electricity converted from solar energy but should be way less as compared to gas driven if everything remains equal. I mean it should be like charging your fone or any other equipment.

Yeah out of adversities comes solution, but if u gonna solve a problem, don't u think u should start with the very least? Like I have seen electrical cars at least in my city, they don't have charging centers, they charge at home or anywhere else, difference is that the socket is quite bigger.

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Does it matter how it's converted? where's is the energy to be converted coming from? Rain? Is the energy to be converted not solar? There's no need to play games or get disingenuous with your answer, we're talking about Solar Powered Charging Station, not technical details on how solar is converted.

Even with the deceptive answer, it's still YES unless you can prove that the energy to be converted is from the rain or other sources and not solar.

You don't have to be deceptive, it's unnecessary.

Good to know you agreed that out of adversities comes solution. 

So, why are we bending our backs over a proposed and budgetless project?

Like I asked before, we don't know who is paying for the cars, we don't know if it's a PPP project or not, we don't even know if there's a long range green energy plan with other R&R funding for other applications around the state.

Why are we even blaming and throwing Nigeria's problems at Fashola because of a proposed project?

Abuja spent/stole over 16 billion electricity money and people are over here crying over Fashola's electric car proposal as if he's responsible for our electricity problems and all the ills in Nigeria or he can not do anything for his people and his state till he fix Nigeria's problems.

Can any soul on NL honestly opine that with 16 billion dollars, Fashola won't light up every inch of Nigeria?

BRT had challenges but they dealt with it and persevere. Can't do can't do is the lazy man's syndrome and I honestly don't think Fashola is a lazy man.

Sure, I'm a lagosian so my vested interest in the state is obvious. I pend time scrutinizing their activities and obviously, Alahusa is not perfect , when they mess up, I send my complaints directly via the governors email service and I advice other folks to do 'same per their respective states instead of crying and siting on their hands.

And electric cars in my city gets charged at grocery stores, public parks, park and ride centers and public funded solar charging stations.

manny4life:
1. Its good to have good ideas and innovations, but there certain innovations that need ground work as a prerequisite, and this is one.

2. You say that we know little bout this project, we someone referenced CA as an example. This same CA when they went public with the new electrical underground rail system that would run from San Fransisco to other cities, they published an entire plan and opened several online and city forums. That you don't know anything about it is nothing but flawed execution of government.

3. The other sources of power other than the grid system is viable but yet in executable and will return to that point later.

4. While we are not talking about huge power production either, how much little do u think that would be created to have the little impact that the government is wants .

I ask you so we talking electric cars and also Solar energy converted into electricity. What is the cost associated as compared to this benefit it would provide. Don't forget that Solar power needs more energy from sunlight, have you taken that into consideration that Lagos particularly has an average of 5.5 hrs of sunlight intensity as compared to CA that has 9hrs of real sunlight.

Is it possible to charge the cars via solar energy?

Yes or No?

About the cost and your analysis, out of adversities comes solutions. The human race used to live in caves but we managed to confront problems and find solutions to challenges hence electricity itself and other inventions.

I just don't believe in self defeatist attitude and can't do spirit, we can deal with our challenges and move forward instead of whinnying and complaining about potential difficulties. We want to develop and advance but we don't want to get our hands dirty.

Nothing comes easy and the developed west didn't achieve  their advancement on a platter of gold, they didn't get a free ride.

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Babapupa,

I love your enthusiasm for anything Fashola, but believe me this one is not feasible.

I have been researching Alternative Energy Sources for over 15 years now as a hobby, so i know a lot about the technical details of solar power. Solar technology is still a very inefficient source of energy and very costly. It still needs further improvement, In fact i am waiting for a company called nanosolar to roll or their panels that promised more efficient panels at very cheap prices.

for example to charge a12 volts 200Ah battery battery at 30 amps, you will need 240 watts solar panels and at least 8hrs of sunshine, And a 100watts solar panel goes for about 80,000 Naira, so the cost of your panels alone would be about 200,000 to charge just one car for 8 hrs (charging a battery too fast would kill the battery). So solar charging stations are out of the question. (sorry i forgot to add that you will need at least 4 of such batteries to run a reasonable car)

Then using massive diesel generators to charge many cars would be pence foolish and pounds crazy. you will still create the same if not more pollution, with so much extra cost and logistic problems, then there is still the problem of charging time.

The most probable alternative energy cars of the future is not solar cars but hydrogen fuel cars, Hydrogen is converted to electricity to power the cars, so you only need to refill hydrogen gas. The technology is still in its infancy.

Somebody was talking about wind, the wind on the coast of Nigeria is not strong enough to provide enough election. It is very windy counties like Denmark, Norway and northern Scotland that has wind strong enough that can be used to power wind turbines.

Baba, if you are close to Fashola, tell him to design programmes for the poor and low income masses and not to think of only elitist programmes. We badly need cheaper transportation and Mass housing. Forget solar cars

I'm not arguing or debating the cost and my question remains the same, you do not have enough information per the state's proposed electric car plans.

It is a proposed plan so quit over analyzing what you know nothing about.

Kobojunkie:
Like someone said in the rebranding video, once the Electricity problem is fixed, development will follow.

Aloy~Emeka:
Food, adequate water supply,medical care,roads, sanatorium etc before electric cars and rocket science. Nigerians, get your priorities right.

Every single nation on the face of the earth is facing some or all the same problems you listed and it's not stopping them from finding solutions and coming up with ideas to better the environment and their people.


Protecting the environment is a priority, stop talking like a cave man.

We know if Fashola solved Nigeria's problems tomorrow, you'll still come up with something to cry about so quit the charade.


Besides Lagos state is investing money on every thing you listed and I have documented facts with pictures to share with you.


New hospital with probably the best diagnostic equipment in Nigeria. Pictures don't lie

http://happylagosian..com/2009/07/bola-tinubu-bt-pediatric-complex-and-bt.html


Roads.  And we known with the 10 lane Lagos-Badagry and Lekki Expressways, he's building the most modern and sophisticated freeways in Nigeria.

http://happylagosian..com/2009/05/new-roads.html


Water.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:FjgtlIyldTEJ:thepmnews.com/2009/06/22/potable-water-for-rural-communities+lagos+state+government+water+projects&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a



Eko Rice Hits Market. Lagos State Government is set to launch its rice brand called Eko Rice into Nigerian markets.


http://allafrica.com/stories/200902090467.html


New Transit home for victims of domestic violence. One and only in Nigeria.

http://happylagosian..com/2009/09/fashola-commissions-transit-home-for.html


Would you like to make a new list? I have more to share.

manny4life:
You are excused

I was asking that given the current electricity situation in Lagos, how does he then power this electric cars given the fact that Lagos doesn't have enough electricity flowing to more than 10 million people living in Lagos. In other words, is he depending on the insufficinet electricity from the Grid system or what other source is he looking at?

Thanks for the clarification.

The whole conversation got needlessly blown out and degraded to absurdities.

1. My contentions are the fact that sure, we have energy problems in Nigeria and specifically in Lagos state, but it shouldn't prevent us from thinking, coming up with great ideas to better our people, environment and generally being innovative.  

2. The fact that we know little or nothing about this project, we don't even know if it's just a drawing board idea or a signed and budgeted state initiative, we don't know who's paying for the cars, we don't know the final cost, we don't know where the cars are coming from and we don't know what supporting infrastructure like solar charging stations are part of the proposed project so it's not only premature to criticize and dismiss it outright, it's a flawed way of thinking.

3. About powering the electric cars, there are tons of available options but as usual, folks failed to consider or even accept these options,they repeated tirelessly the power situation in the country that has nothing to do with the state and not necessarily important to the power needs of the electric cars.

4. About your main question. The difference here is, we're talking about possible options per charging electric cars without accessing the national power grid, not mass power generation and distribution of electricity to state residents.


Fashola can charge his electric cars with solar charging stations because the charging stations are not connected to federal power lines.

Fashola is not taking or diverting needed electricity from his people because with solar charging stations, he's not tapping the national grid.

manny4life:
Wow this topic is getting more heated up than I imagined.

The fact is, Fashola can can not generate and transmit electricity in lagos state. They did that before.


There are two facts here
1. Lagos doesn't have enough electricity for the more than 10 million people who live in Lagos
2. By federal law, Fashola cannot generate electricty by the means of not affecting the grid system

Well then, how does he then power this electric cars given the fact that Lagos doesn't have enough electricity flowing. Takes us back to where we started about the Solar stuff.

Please excuse my Ignorance because I'm not sure what you're asking.

Please be more specific.

Kobojunkie:
I don't believe this is really about the man but mainly about the people, if you ask me. I seriously expected that Lagos would have used WIND TURBINES to provide energy to all of Lagos considering

a) If Lagos can work with solar POWER Generation Plants then means the so called FEDERAL LAW against GENERATING POWER IS NULL
b) Lagos is right next to the Ocean and all that power could power that whole state with the right investment. And when I say powering, I don't mean STREET LIGHTS, but powering houses ( Refrigerators, Televisions, Washing machines, Wells etc)
c) WIND turbines power more for less
d) GE is right there in Lagos

You can dance around and come up with all the scenarios available to your fingers and keyboard. The fact is, Fashola can can not generate and transmit electricity in lagos state. They did that before and it didn't do anything for the state so why ask them to repeat the same mistake?

And how do you transmit this electricity from your wind turbines?

Erect power lines or blow the the electricity from your mouth into homes across the state?

Don't you have to erect power lines?

And is it still not against fed laws to erect power lines and distribute power?


Keep dancing.

Kobojunkie:
I hate it when some feel we DEVIATE from the subject at hand to make it about THE MAN and our NEED to PRAISE him some more. Is it ever possible to counter the problems without making it about PERSONS/TRIBES/BLAME etc Roflmao!!

And I hate it when people have nothing better to say to further their point of view and fall back on silly side line comments like little cowards.

I'm out here in the open defending my position, be a man and do same or remain on the side line like a little girl with your silly grin.

Be a man, it's your choice.

wirinet:
Thank you my brother, providing constant power alone would reduce the so called environmental pollution better and more cost effectively. Why do we always get our priorities wrong. Fashola should set the goal of generating 20,000 mega watts with transmission and distribution with the money he wants to expend on his eclectic car dream. He can partner with universities and the private sector in the design of better and more efficient gas turbines and transformers. it is a shame we still import transformers.

By law, he can not do that.

Fashola can not produce and transmit electricity in Nigeria and Like I said, the state did that before.

Must he refrain from moving on with other Ideas and doing other things to benefit his people because of the fedreal government's problem?

The man is working around the federal government to do what's right for his state.

Do you guys even know what you're asking from the man and his what he can and can not do?

Same thing with the lekki airport, people were saying the man is wasting money (even though his not spending the state's money on the airport) and he should go fix up MMA when even a day old baby no say Fashola can no touch MMA, he can't even paint MMA's side walk. The place is messed up for a reason, it belongs to the federal government.

wirinet:
Thank you my brother, providing constant power alone would reduce the so called environmental pollution better and more cost effectively. Why do we always get our priorities wrong. Fashola should set the goal of generating 20,000 mega watts with transmission and distribution with the money he wants to expend on his eclectic car dream. He can partner with universities and the private sector in the design of better and more efficient gas turbines and transformers. it is a shame we still import transformers.

So why is the world moving away from fossil fuel and talking about green energy?

Fashola's priority is straight, ours is not straight because we are still thinking like cave men and blinding ourselves, he's doing what he can with what's available and allowable.

By law, Fashola can not do a damn thing about your power situation in Nigeria. Fax your frustration to Abuja.

The state Government tried that before and it didn't get the state nowhere because whatever you generate by federal law must flow and disappears into the useless national grid. It's waste of money.

Fashola is the governor of Lagos state, not the president of Nigeria. His solar car initiative is for Lagos state, not for the whole of Nigeria.

Fashola is helping and doing the federal government's job in a lot of areas.

Lagos to distribute 200 transformers to rural communities


http://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/09/10/lagos-to-distribute-200-transformers-to-rural-communities/

Lagos Unveils Solar Lamp, Water Heater

http://thepmnews.com/2009/10/08/lagos-unveils-solar-lamp-water-heater

Solar Power brings light to the dark Nigerian village.

www.ecofriend.org/entry/solar-power-brings-light-to-the-dark-nigerian-village/+solar+lamp+lagos+state&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a">http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:YzUoWvXcTsIJ:www.ecofriend.org/entry/solar-power-brings-light-to-the-dark-nigerian-village/+solar+lamp+lagos+state&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

When the world is up with their gloves tapping alternative renewable energy sources, Nigeria does not seem to stay behind in the race - its tropical climate makes solar energy the most viable alternative energy source.



Bishop Kodji is the first village that got electrified under the Lagos State government’s pilot solar energy project. It is a small island in the Atlantic Ocean off Nigeria, living on fishing and canoe carvings.



Before the successful tapping of solar energy to produce electricity, the 5,000 population here had never known what electricity is! Harnessing renewable energy sources in such remote areas are much cheaper compared to what it takes to connect each village to the national grid. It costs about 150 million naira (around 1.2 million dollars), while solar energy project costs only about 10 million naira (around 83,000 dollars) per village!

Thus, this is the most economic and viable source of electricity, especially in developing and under-developed remote areas, where electricity has never entered.


Fashola is solely equipping the Nigerian Police in Lagos,

Fashola Presents 114 Patrol Vehicles To Police

http://news.onlinenigeria.com/templates/?a=8685

He even set up a police trust fund to care for The Nigerian Police in Lagos,

What do you want from the man? To perform magic and solve Nigeria's problem this very minute.

When they do, you knock them down

When they're not doing, you knock them down

You really can not say this man's priorities is misplaced, I think ours is misplaced because we're so used to the same tired mediocre and shabby leadership and treatment.