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Uche2nna:
The project is going to create jobs,  so will the constructing and maintaining good roads , electricity, water , u know the basic amenities that some people actually take for granted in countries that are serious.

Electric cars in Nigeria is like putting the cart before the horse,,,,,,, and besides that technology is light years away from being perfected.

What's your point? because the state is proposing electric cars doesn't mean they are not spending money on your everything you listed.

Smart people solve and pay attention to problems of tomorrow today. Nigeria is f'ed up because we have backward thing leaders and enabling masses, we're stuck in permanent reverse and afraid to move forward.

No meaningful development is immune to errors and you can not progress without vision and taking the necessary steps. You have to start from somewhere.

Aloy~Emeka:
Are you kidding me?. Lagos state bought the Yatch hotel for $40M and I can pull it up if you continue to argue this nonsense.

You pulled up garbage,

Lagos Government Did Not Buy Sunborn Yatch – Fashola

http://www.tundefashola.com/archives/news/2009/02/19/20090219N01.html

Sunborn Yatch - Lagos Denies Financial Involvement

http://allafrica.com/stories/200910160340.html

Kobojunkie:
Lol . . . . You continous need to label it all apples and oranges makes me wonder if you know how that is really applied.


Electric cars as investments DO NOT save MONEY IN ALL situations and this seems an example.

a) NEVER STATED that I did not like the idea, so no need to try to SCORE BROWNIE points by pitching me as the ENEMY here again

b) When you factor the cost of EACH car and the cost of powering EACH car regularly, as well as maintainance cost, it is likely you are NOT going to SAVE money.  Electric cars are offered more as alternative fuel cars and not necessarily MONEY SAVING cars.

c) Every freaking idea out there can have the lines "CREATE JOBS" slapped on them as well. The article DOES NOT MENTION job creation as reason or possible for this project. It simply states that this is more for environmental reasons.  High-tech transfer is relative. Are the Environmental agency workers going to be working under the hood of the car as well??

Dude, again, you are not addressing imbeciles here.

You still haven't proved that this project is not gonna create jobs, throwing words here and there is meaningless.

Like I said, you don't have to like the idea, but it's a brilliant idea and a great step in the right direction.


lol @ hi tech transfer is relative, the BRT buses must be servicing and maintaining themselves.

Abeg stop the madness.

Aloy~Emeka:
No matter how you try to prove this, the issue of electric cars is still far fetched. There are many more things we need in Nigeria which includes viable research institutions and space technology but they are not our priority now since we still lack basic infrastructure. Nobody expects Fashola to achieve them all. The ones he has done is more than enough for a sitting governor but if he should go further, it will be more realistic to invest in pressing issues than this electric car project. Have you been to Lasu lately and witness the extent of dilapidation in that school?.   Why not invest more in schools, hospitals and roads that are not federal responsbilities?

Did you remember the raggedy yatch hotel he bought at the directives of Bola Tinubu for $40M?. Is that a viable investment for Lagos state from your perspective?. Below is one of the roads in a 21st century city that vies for electric cars and solar technology:
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The Yatch does not belong to the Lagos state government. Get your facts straight and stop spreading tales. The state did not commit a penny.



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Now what?

Kobojunkie:
Apples and Oranges? High-tech transfer? Job creation via installation?? And this from the same person who mentioned Money was needed for all this to happen in the first place??  You really think you are talking to imbeciles on here, do you? LOL

Still apple and oranges.

Electric cars = investment, saving money and bettering the environment. You don't have to like the Idea, but it's a beautiful thing.

Btw, can you prove to me that the project is not gonna create jobs, hi tech is not gonna be transferred? re- think the slowpoke thing my friend.

Aloy~Emeka:
This is what Lagos needs now:
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We all know what the state needs, the question is, is 2 years enough to get there?

I love the road in the pic you posted and I believe the 10-lane Badagry express dual carriageway with light rail public transport on the median and a Bus Rapid Transit System is the beginning.


We'll get there, it's just a matter of time.

Kobojunkie:
Interesting question considering the Electric Cars and the solar panel recharge grids you posted cost a lot of money. And we are talking serving a handful of Environmental agency workers.

Apples and oranges,

And just to indulge your reasoning. Sure, state workers are first in line, but what's that got to do with potentials like hi tech transfer, job creation via installation, maintenance and repairs?

Let's not get to shortsighted abeg,

Aloy~Emeka:
Which do you rather the government do first?. Solar powered station or a functional dam with a perfect distribution system?. Same goes for water and roads.

The state is attacking everything you listed. The point is, 2 years is not enough to get rid of decades of neglect. The man is not a magician. I'm sure in your personal life, you have tons of stuff on the table awaiting execution but unable to because of funds and other factors. Be realistic my friend.

We both know electricity generation and distributuin is far outside of Fashola's jurisdiction and it's not like they didn't try to do it before.

Right now, every mw of energy generated by any entity in Nigeria goes directly into the obsolete national grid so what's your point? Why waste the state money for zero returns?

You can not tell me they are not building roads

You can not tell me they are not developing water transportation.

Obviously, they can not do it alone, private money and participation is needed.

honeric01:
see, i am not among those saying he's not doing well, what i am saying is that, i want to see the railway project on track, he's been there for 2 years, yes i know, but as a citizen, i am just waiting to see him implement the railway project asap,  i am not saying he should complete it in 2 weeks, but let it start, thats what i am clamoring for.

I'm clamoring for the same thing and like I said, we're on the same page. The reality is, the state can not single handedly fund the project.

It's not like they don't want to do it or they're dragging their feet.  We're talking about almost half a billion dollar project. They also have other major projects like the Badagry express way and lekki-epe express going on at this same time. We're talking about a state, not the federal government.

Light rail is not new to Lagos state, Jakande had the same plans on the table back ion the 80's and the state lost over 70 million dollars because the north played politics with the project. Now we don't have to go trough the federal government and hence the need for private funding.

Money talks my friend.

Again, we have to be realistic with our expectations.

@ texazzpete

The rail system belongs to the federal government and water transportation on a fast track across the state.

http://www.lamata-ng.com/water_transport.html


We all have ideas, but do we have the money to make it happen?

MrPrsdent:
that's not the point.this Fashola guy is psychotic or how do you explain this stupid idea of his.Any decent government,has to tackle basic amenities and infrastructure first BEFORE anything else.You don't start building a 10-storey house from the 6th floor.Haba!

Fashola is psychotic? Are we talking about electric cars or some personal grudge? lmao.

I understand the Idea is stupid to you and the fact is, the governor can not please everybody. We elect him to do a job and so far, he's doing a great job. The man is barelly half way trough his first term in office.

Thanks for this info,  i am still waiting for the railway (blue and red) to be completed first, before this is introduced, i can't wait to see modern railway lines in Lagos state, we need it urgently.

I think we're on the same page about the rail system and we both know they have plans on the table to get it rolling, the hold up is funding.

Seems we expect Lagos to magically transform it self overnight with 100% great roads, bridges and 24/7 electricity.

Fashola just got behind the desk about 2 yrs ago and it's gonna take time to correct decades of neglect. There's health and medical, there's education, administration, transportation and other state responsibilities to worry about and no nation was transformed in 2 years.

Understandably, we all have our demands and expectations, but realistically, this is not magic.  We just need to be very realistic with our expectations.

I strongly believe the state is on the right track.

Perhaps you guys need to consume some more coffee to stimulate your brain cells. It matters not that Nigeria has electricity distribution problems. It is far easier to provide power to dedicated charging stations than to an entire neighbourhood.
We use GSM in Nigeria. How do you think the network masts are powered? Has the epileptic power situation in Nigeria caused us to have no mobile signals?


However, in my opinion the Lagos state government is a little premature on this. The EV tech is still pretty much immature right now. A good idea will be to wait until say 2012 when battery efficiency and plug standardization will improve, and costs will reduce.
As of now, EVs are pretty expensive and their initial costs will erode greatly into any savings on fuel.

Very well said.

The only problem is everything we have today, even your PC is premature because something better and cheaper is coming out tomorrow, there's never a final destination in terms of technology so waiting and waiting keeps you @ square 1 indefinitely.

Why not go for it and learn what you need top learn, upgrade and expand as needed, amplify the importance and awareness withing the general public and create needed downstream green jobs and Hitech transfer via installation, repairs and parts supply.

Aloy~Emeka:
That is not the reason to embezzle the state's money and insult their indigenes. If graduates do not have jobs in Nigeria, that is not a reason to turn them into night soil men.

This is obviously your interpretation. Like I said,he is not forcing graduates to drive taxis.

I really don't get the wisdom in knocking other people's efforts to help the common man put food on the table. Do you have something better to offer them? Of course you don't have anything but criticism and unfortunately, criticism ain't gonna feed nobody. Like or hate it, the taxis are gonna be some happy man's means of livelihood.

Maybe you prefer jobless and penniless graduates because we both know it's absolutely impossible for the man to built white collar establishments all over the state packed with graduates.


We're both on the same page per corruption and mismanagement and like I said, I don't care for the guy,  I just can not knock any form of job creating moves, not in this economy.

Stop writing nonsense here. I don't care what his vision is but this one is off the hook. The cost and its feasibility beats me. May you walk me through it?. Simple airport, we cannot maintain 12 hours constant electricity and you are looking for electric cars. A project that is still in infancy in the west. Haven't we tried the satellite thing that fell off the space?. Get real.

Thanks for editing your post with additional junk, quit being desperate.


Definitely on point about your irrational side. What's apples got to do with oranges? lmao.

The Airport is not Fashola's jurisdiction so go sell that to some clueless JJC. I'm sure Fashola go make arrangements for his own airport when his ready to build one.

What's this nonsense got to do with Fashola, has any of this nonsense prevented him from advancing his state?

You really can do better and please stay on  task and quit looking for irrelevant Bits & Piece to hold up your faltering and redundant argument.

Your argument is void of credibility, you are not in Fashola's head.

It is your God given right to open your mouth and talk, it just doesn't mean you know what tha hell you're yahking about.

So we should sit on our hands and not think or move forward because we don't have stable power? This has got to be the silliest  cave man mentality and absurdity.

Thank God your ramblings are limited to NL.



Most charging stations are solar powered, they don't tap off the grid. This is common sense and don't tell me technology is a million years ahead of you.

This is what they look like these days.


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Aloy~Emeka:
Tell us the plan if you have something different from the newspaper article?

Unlike you, I don't throw ice at the sun, I don't yell and cry about a project I know little or nothing about. You and I are not privy to whatever plans they have on the table beyond the news article.

Do you know how much it's gonna cost, do you know who's paying for it? do you know anything about the accompanying infrastructure? Of course not. All you're doing is yahking away just for the heck of it and  Monday night quarterbacking.

You're displaying your unreasonable and irrational side.

Folks like you yelled and cried when the state government rolled out the BRT, we listened to your 24/7 BS about maintenance and infrastructures. Today, the state government not only have the necessary infrastructure in place to keep BRT running for years to come, they have maintenance yards all over the state, they have Material Procurement centers, they have training centers. Thank God the state didn't pay attention to folks like you, BRT is a huge success.

Same BS was leveled against the Drivers institute but with biometric system, simulators and on site eye clinics, the institutes are more sophisticated than what they have in the US.



@ Kobojunkie.


I see you're itching to get in the game, all you need to do is bring up any fallacy of mine per the Delta. It's only natural for folks to coil when something unfavorable is said about their kins and home town, but it doesn't mean truth and right was misappropriated. Feel free to prove me wrong.

I hardly waste my time on Beef, the dude hardly make sense. His boyfriend Tinubu is his only pre-occupation and concern, he has tons of Tinubu's pics and artifacts on his hard drive for crying out loud.


About illogical, please tell me what is and what's not with your own take per the subject matter. It's only fair instead of siting on the fence with your toy water gun. I'm game.

Kobojunkie:
Roflmao!!!!

Aloy~Emeka:
Stop writing nonsense here. I don't care what his vision is but this one is off the hook. The cost and its feasibility beats me. May you walk me through it?

Directly or indirectly, you're making my point for me.


Of course, the feasibility beats you because you know nothing about the plan, you have have zero knowledge, all you have is a newspaper article.

Unlike you, I can not walk you through anything till I'm privileged with the plans and I'm not gonna lose a minute's sleep over what's still on the table and what I know nothing about.

It's extremely irrational and unrealistic to criticize a noteworthy and noble plan just because of a newspaper article. It's not like called you and tabled the plan in your face.

Like I said, all you're doing is gainsaying.


When you

babapupa:
About what?

That the man manufactured the unemployment problem in Nigeria?

That he's forcing gradates in his state to drive taxis?

That he's wrong for trying to create jobs in his state.

Fine, you don't like his taxi scheme, but it doesn't mean what he's doing is wrong.

Get real about what again?

You know what? The post you quoted was meant for the Akala thread hence the taxi reference. Please scratch it, you're free to debate inside the Akala thread.



About Fashola and his Electric Vehicle plan.

1. You're not part of his administration.

2. You have no knowledge per the details.

3. You are not siting behind the governors desk in Alahusa.

4. You don't have a crystal ball to see into to future and you can not evaluate what's till on the table.

The man has been doubted so many times and he's yet to be proven wrong.

All you doing is naysaying and gainsaying and good or bad, I appreciate good thinking leaders with great vision and innovation. Folks like these build and develop sane and credible societies out of adversities.

Do you honestly think Alahusa is oblivious per the energy situation in Nigeria? Are they not Nigerian's sef?

I'm glad they're thinking ahead and finding solutions to tomorrow's problems.


Like I said, we are allergic to visionary leaders.

Get real

About what?

That the man manufactured the unemployment problem in Nigeria?

That he's forcing gradates in his state to drive taxis?

That he's wrong for trying to create jobs in his state.

Fine, you don't like his taxi scheme, but it doesn't mean what he's doing is wrong.

Get real about what again?

I really don't care for the guy, but I'm not ready to criticize the man for trying to help.

This is a simple case of take it if you like or walk if you don't. It's not like he's forcing graduates to drive taxis.

Did the man single-handedly manufactured the unemployment problem?

Nigerians are really funny people, you shout and cry when they're not lifting a finger and you do the same when they do.

I'm convinced we're bi-polar.

A self centered bigot and pathological thief!!

Unless you fit prove say he was a bigot and itemize what he stole from you, you accusation is the other way around.

The nay naysayers as usual.


Seems some folks in Nigeria are just allergic to visionary leaders.

It's like a sad case of damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Awo as the premier of Western Region, only cared for the Yoruba people and Yoruba divisions. The Western Nigerian T.V was established in Yorubaland, cocoa house, Liberty stadium, Uni Ife, etc were all in Yorubaland. Despite the fact that rubber and timber that supplied wealth to the West were produced outside Yorubaland. What manner of man is this?.

The pesin wey fed you the hand me down hate filled story left out the 50 Square Kilometer rubber plantation in Ogun state. What about the vast cocoa plantation all across the western states?

Sure, other states contributed, but be honest with facts and history, bias and hate hand me down stories shouldn't be your only source of knowledge.

Actually babapupa, it is okay to argue against history

I didn't say it's not OK, I said "Only a perpetual ignorant and dumb head in the sand fool argues against history"

Feel free to help and equip him with a credible and documented version of the man's history because talk is cheap.

What exactly do you teach your kids? what's in the history books or your own unfounded and distorted version?


Please stop the madness.

You are a deranged domesticated swine that have decided to constitute into a dirty public nuisance. Well you have woefully failed to comprehend one sentence directive and I would not waste my time leading a punk ass such as you into a complex history of the areas that metamorphosed into the cesspit known as Nigeria. In addition, I would not stoop low to your level of expertise of copy and paste off Wikipedia.

For the sake of the argument, I urge a lazy goon such as you to verify the reason behind the return to Sierra Leone by the returnees that had already acquired Yoruba name. Please check the reasons why the returnees chose to settle in Eko and Abeokuta environs instead of places such as Ogbomosho, Ibadan, Ilesha, Osogbo, Akure, Kaduna, Kano, Benin and Onitsha.

There was election for Lagos town hall in 1938 in which a seemingly new youth outfit defeated the well established outfit such as NNDP led by Herbert Macaulay. Most candidates for NNDP were Sierra Leoneans and returnees while NYM fielded candidates such as Messer Alakija, Ikoli and Adesanya. Also, remember that your political godfather was a street money-changer who fanned the issue that focused on the son-of-the-soil candidature.

Unfortunately for you, you can not substitute or re-write a man's biography and history with trash talk and your own out of the ass version and absurdity.  

So, our elementary schools copied and pasted  Bishop Ajayi Crowder's bio' and history off Wikipedia right?

lmao. What an idiot,

You wont answer my questions, you wont provide your own documented version of the mans bio and history, all your olodo self have to spew is trash talk.

I bet you fail WAEC sef,

tarano:
Too much personification, title, just build the park and call it Awojobi Park, finish

I see what you're saying, but this is how you build a sane and civil society. Our kids should be able to see our heroes and role models personified with statues and parks. @ least, we're not talking about dead corrupt and evil people.


He did 'same Herbert Marculey here

http://happylagosian..com/2009/05/yaba-glory-regained-with-upgraded-roads.html


He did 'Same for Sam Okwaraji here,

http://www.tundefashola.com/archives/photos/2009/08/12/20090812P01.html

Seun:
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Sorry about that,

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@ least, give some kind of excuse,

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25 Years After, Fashola Honours Engineering Genius, Ayodele Awojobi
…Unveils social reformer’s Statue, memorial garden in Lagos

Oct 20, 2009 - Twenty five years after he passed on, the Lagos State Government on Tuesday immortalized late mechanical engineering genius and social reformer, Professor Ayodele Awojobi by unveiling his statue at a memorial garden located at Onike Roundabout in Yaba.

Speaking at the unveiling ceremony, Governor Babatunde Fashola (SAN) said he would continue to use the privilege of his office to champion the belief of the possibilities of the Nigerian enterprise adding: “our generation will not surrender our belief in the promise of a new Nigeria”.

Said he: “My belief and that of my colleagues at all levels in the Government of Lagos State is based on a simple logic that our history shows that it has been done before by men and women of humble beginnings who distinguished themselves by seizing opportunities through hardwork and dreamt great dreams like Professor Ayodele Awojobi”.

Governor Fashola added that by honouring such men and women: “we connect the present generation to our history of a pre-eminent past; we draw inspiration of possibilities and reiterate an ethic and value for hardwork as necessary ingredients for a brighter rewarding future”.

The Governor recalled that twenty five years ago, the curtain fell for the brilliant and highly respected Professor Ayodele Awojobi who had set a record by becoming, at the age of 37, the youngest lecturer in the University of Lagos to become a Professor.

He added that before the erudite Professor died at the age of 47, he had carved a niche for himself as his name had found global space as a mechanical engineer of repute and fighter against social dislocations and political recklessness.

In his words: “Professor Awojobi was a true genius. It is on record that in his final year in the secondary school in 1955, he played the role of Macbeth in one of the books of Williams Shakespeare. He memorized the whole textbook and was familiar with all the lines that during rehearsals he assisted other actors with their lines”.

Governor Fashola also said the late Professor is reputed for his singlehanded conversion of a Leyland Jeep named Autonov 1 from right hand to left hand and also designed a bi-directional Armoured vehicle which can be moved forward and backward without turning it round and codenamed it Autonov2.

He added that the invention were home grown, home inspired and home delivered technology that required no transfer from anywhere but simply the work of a Nigerian prodigy.

“We cannot deny that the promise that this genius offered our country was not realized then. We cannot deny that many of his ilk have since left the country and inflicted a huge drain on our human resource capacity in many areas”, he added.

Governor Fashola urged all those present that the most enduring memorial that could be done in honour of late Professor Awojobi is to etch his memory in all individual minds, adding that now is time for academics to develop an Awojobi law in their respective faculties.

On the request to rename Iwaya road, the street linking the garden after the late Prof, Governor Fashola promised to lend his support to the Chairman of Yaba Local Council Development Area under whose jurisdiction the area falls in the quest to rename the street.

Earlier in his address, Commissioner for Environment, Dr Muiz Banire had said heroes are models and sources of inspiration in man’s daily endeavours, adding that celebrating them ingrain in everyone especially the youth, the virtue of forthrightness, hardwork, diligence, preservation and dedication.

He informed that the choice of Onike Round About is to ensure that the monument is situated around the University of Lagos and a deliberate attempt to encourage all students passing through the route to aspire to greater heights.

Dr Banire explained that the garden has a 9ft bronze cast of the image of Prof Ayodele Awojobi mounted on a 4ft marble base pedestal for future generations to have an idea of the physique of the erudite scholar and social crusader.

The Commissioner reiterated that the garden sits on approximately 467 square metres with walk area paved with interlocking paving stones, wrought iron seats for relaxation, lush grass and flowers planted to compliment the shade provided by the trees, adding that orders have been placed for solar powered lighting to illuminate the garden at night .

In their goodwill messages, a representative of the Professor Awojobi Foundation. Mr Kunle Awobodu commended Governor Fashola for deeming it fit to immortalize the late Professor without prompting, adding that the foundation had to contend with several disappointments.

He added that the guiding dictum for everyone should be to provide service based on conviction, but not material benefits, urging everyone to do something to correct the ills of the society.

Also speaking, a representative of Mr Femi Falana and the Civil Society groups, Mr Debo Adeniran said Nigeria is the only country that destroys its best hands while glorifying its worst, saying late Professor Awojobi was also one of the best politicians Nigeria has ever produced, adding that if he had lived to age of 70, Nigeria would have been the better for it.

He added that the immortalization of Professor Awojobi while being very commendable should go beyond the garden with the consideration of the renaming of a faculty at Lagos State University after the renowned engineer.

In his goodwill message, the Vice Chancellor of the University of Lagos, Professor Tolu Odugbemi, who was represented by the Dean of the Faculty of Mechanical Engineering, Professor M.A Salawu thanked the Lagos State Government for immortalizing the late first Head of Department of Mechanical Engineering of the University, saying it will spur students to aspire to greater heights.

In the same vein, a brother of late Professor Awojobi who paid tributes to him, thanked the Lagos State Government for the painstaking effort it has put into the construction of a beautiful and befitting garden in memory of his late brother.

He promised that the siblings of the late icon will continue the struggle from where he had stopped.

In an another message, one of the students of the late academician, Engineer Titi OMO-ETU commended Governor Babatunde Fashola for the wonderful change which is very observable all over the state.

He added that in Lagos, everyone can have a feel of what good governance looks like.

The Governor later commissioned the Professor Ayodele Awojobi Park by unveiling the statue of the late academic situated in the middle of the garden flanked by the widow, Mrs Bode Awojobi among others.

Among those who attended the ceremony were Special Adviser on Environment, Mr Sesan Olanrewaju, the widow of late Professor Awojobi, Mrs Bode Awojobi, wife of the first military Governor of Lagos State, Mrs Obafunmilayo Johnson, Retired General Ishola Williams, siblings and children of late Professor Awojobi and his students.

There is no doubt that you are a lazy fool that is blinded to the idiocy of ethnic bias. Lift your moronic self and attempt to feast those myopic eyes to constructive research. You can jump off the cliff for all I care, but I must reiterate that all the returnees claimed ethnicity based on whatever that informed their thought.

What an olodo idiot!!


Instead of displaying to us how stupid and dumb you are, why not do your own research to counter mine and other's documented historical facts.


Obviously, you don't know your history. Only a perpetual ignorant and dumb head in the sand fool argues against history.


Btw, you didn't answer mu questions.

it is inside history book too.

Sharing this history book with us would have sufficed. Till then, you're spewing nothing but hate and bigotry.

^^^

Yoruba people installed OBJ too right? You guys don't even try or make sense anymore.

Awo's wonderful achievements dey inside history books, your infant killer bitterness and hatred nonsense dey inside your mind and hate filled head. That's the difference.

The joke is on you,

Ode, go make dinner for your boyfriend, asiwaju is hungry. lmao.