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I take it that this is your weak attempt to reply me.
Have I accused anybody else but YOU as a "tribalist" or a hater of ND people? You and Sjeezy have proven yourselves over and over.

Your tribalist nonsense don't faze me, that's what we do when confronted with truth, we play the tribalism game, especially you.


I have nothing against ND or any other group of people in Nigeria. I just detest shedding of innocent people's/fellow citizen's blood to achieve a bogus and non credible end. I used bogus and non credible simply because MEND and it's criminal sponsors ignored the main culprits, the looters and main saboteurs within the community and spills innocent people's blood at will.

I'll never take their course seriously or accord it any form of credibility till they go after the enemies within, the crooks and looters.

Corruption, looting and stealing by the leaders in the region did more damage than what you guys attributed to the federal government because corruption is evil and it's consequences are eventually dangerous, far far dangerous sef.

SMH -you have no shame at all one day you are blasting yorubas, the next you are praising yoruba leaders

only when suits their end. na sociopathic behavior.

If na your own people the Military slaughtered like dogs, na different song you go dey sing. But it matters not to you since the innocent and oppressed people of the Delta are not your people.

Karma is a two way street and it is beesh both ways!!

Then the most logical thing for you to do is to go look for military people or their leaders in abuja.

only cowards and petty criminals attacks and kill innocent people.



karma is a 2 way street only when both parties are armed and at war with each other.


abge try agan,

Look at this ode?

what's criminality, cold blooded killing of innocent people got to do with tribalism?

must you people hide under tribalism at every turn and corner?

abi it's not on record that that mend kidnapped and killed innocent Nigerians.


where is the tribalism. I know how you guys play the tribalism game, but please try make sense sometimes,

just like God use cyrus the persian, to free his people, he can also use criminals to free Nd. seconded, God bless ateke, and co, tompolo remains a patriot for life, my people this is just a stage in the quest for freedom, and criminal and patriots alike are welcome, alcapone and co worked for the us govt in world war 2, so give us a break about criminals, che guvera and fidel castro were one time in their lives label criminals. we are watching.

this is what self serving, self centered and selfish people spew. if na your own mama, papa, brothers and sisters mend slaughtered like dogs, na different song you go dey sing. but hey, it matters not to you as long as no be you and your people dey die and the criminals and crooks responsible for  looting and stealing you dry were let go and their blood replaced with innocent people's blood,

enjoy your end with innocent people's blood.


karma is a beesh,

Why is Soyinka messing up his name and reputation by messing with murderers and cold blooded killers?

You're trying sha, @ least you pulled some disjointed rubbish out of your ass.

Why I'm even messing with this olodo pavement head?

My apologies, sounds like sarcasm the way you phrased it. It wasn't compounded.

Next one will be Nobel prize.

I know say na sarcasm but anybody wey pull 20 million people from the edge of chaos and abyss deserve Nobel.l


Fashola for Nobe Prize.

Actually, zik's action wasn't rational and thought trough. Personally, Awo didn't  wrong zik in any way, other folks within the region did by Cross carpeting to Awo's AG Party.

Awo and Zik were the main brains in the south and by extension the most sophisticated political minds in Nigeria. Awo did the right thing by going to Zik because he saw what Zik didn't see or failed to see, same thing a lot of our current leaders in the south are still not seeing and incapable of seeing.

You can not do business with Hausa folks and progress, Awo saw this and reached out to Zik and zik should have ignored the '54 mess and pay attention to the bigger picture. Unfortunately, he did not, he knowingly went with the hausa folks for personal reasons because it was obvious he wasn't getting nothing but a junior partnership roll for his effort by messing with the North. He basically advanced the Northern agenda because the Hausa folks were playing for keeps, that same agenda is still killing us as a Nation.

The North is a major and solid block against divided south and they've been using the most effective ruling tool (Divide and rule) in the world against us. Unfortunately, we still haven't learnt our lesson.


What if Zik had set aside his pride and formed an alliance with Awo?

Let us for a moment deduced that you got it right once in your life time. I shall not even include doubts you have created about understanding meaning or definition of the word; illiterate.

However, I shall beg your indulgence in educating me on the history of Nigeria with references to the several independent and constitutional conferences where Awo solemnly requested Azik to team up with him and declare independence when the North was stalling and saying they weren't ready.

I guess your sorry ass should realize that such request would come as a motion tendered by Awo in such discuss. I am stating unequivocally that there was never such motion credited to Awo. My advice to a dunce such as you is that digging for facts is a better mental exercise than leaping to wrong conclusion based on innuendos.

Unfortunately for you, it's absolutely impossible to substitute ignorance, empty bravado , lack of intellectual curiosity and share literacy with facts and intelligence.

Your dumb ass should have kept quiet and assume the dumb and clueless position with pride.



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The 1954 Western Elections - which was won by the NCNC under Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe ("Zik.’). But after a meeting of the Egbe Omo Oduduwa, several Yoruba NCNC legislators suddenly "crossed carpet" to the Action Group (AG) under Chief Obafemi Awolowo, thereby effectively preventing Zik from becoming the first premier of Western Nigeria. Hurt and dejected, Zik returned to the East, where he promptly displaced Prof. Eyo Ita from the premiership of the region. This helped fuel the anger and disloyalty of the eastern minority elements, who soon organized to demand the creation of a COR state. This was the beginning of tribalism in Nigerian politics.

The 1959 Federal Elections - in which none of the three major parties (NPC, NCNC and AG) won a clear majority, but the NPC had the most seats, followed by the NCNC. To prevent the northerners (a.k.a. the NPC) from having the first shot at the prime Ministership of Nigeria with so much executive power concentrated there, Awo proposed that the NCNC (i.e. the Igbos) and the AG (i.e. the Yorubas) should form a coalition so as to have the first shot at ruling at the center. But Zik, still pe eved at what happened to him in 1954, would not have anything to do with Awo. Instead he teamed up with the NPC to form the first Federal government of an independent Nigeria on October 1 1960. Thus, the Igbos became the junior partner in a Federal govern ment where they would have been the senior partner had Zik agreed to a coalition with the Yorubas.

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"A LETTER TO THE NDIGBO: Cutting Our Nose to Spite Our Face" in Nigerian Times International, January 16-31, 1996



By Chief Eke Urum-Eke[/b

Again, when the British Colonial Government tempted the appetite of the Nigerian political leadership with the offer of quasi-independence, through full blown regional autonomy in 1957, Northern Nigeria, led by the Northern Peoples Congress (NPC) took the position that the North was not ready for that level of political and economic independence. [b]The Western Region, led by Chief Obafemi Awolowo’s Action Group (AG) promptly declared its readiness to accept the offer. It was the Igbo-led NCNC that held the balance. It was an issue that could make or break Nigeria if the three regions chose to go their separate ways to Independence.

The NCNC leader, Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe took the stand that although the Eastern Region was ready to assume the responsibilities of Regional Independence, its attainment without the North would lead, in his own words, to the “Balkanization of the Nigerian Nation” and conceivably a break-up of the country. The Eastern Region would rather suppress its appetite for Independence and the obvious gains it would entail until the Northern Region was ready. That was how Nigerian Independence was delayed until 1960. In short, the Igbo-led Eastern Region would rather forgo the advancement of its own political and economic interests than risk the break-up of Nigeria. Similarly, when Zik moved to the Federal scene as Governor General and later titular President of Nigeria, the NCNC, under the leadership of Dr. Michael Okpara, of blessed memory, continued faithfully in Zik’s giant and indelible foot steps, the political bridge-building and nation building enterprise of the Igbo.



The state of the Nation
Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu "HERO"

the Igbo-led NCNC shunned the attraction of being the senior partner in an East-West Alliance with Chief Awolowo’s Action Group (AG) and chose to team up instead with Sir Ahmadu Bello’s Northern Peoples Congress (NPC) in order to consolidate the frail and insipid attachment of a wary and sceptical North to Southern Nigeria.


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not eve cookie?


The way I see it, one mans tribalist is another man's passionate patriot and concerned citizen.

We sometimes use the tribalism label to deflect and circumvent facts.

wey trophy?

I would like you to expatiate with facts and references on the occasion and place where Awolowo requested that Azikwe teamed up with him and declare independence when the North was stalling and saying they weren't ready.

It appears that few cretins on this board are willing to uplift stupidity to a credible level.

Your comments in this thread clearly tells me your country's history ain't your forte.

You even sound like an illiterate sef,

What's so tribal about doing what your people tasked you to do, in civilized societies, they call it great leadership and responsive governance. Only in Nigeria people label good and positivity with derogatory labels.


Did Awo not ask Zik to team up with him and declare independence when the North was stalling and saying they weren't ready?

Didn't Zik stalled with the North and end up teaming up with the North to lay the foundation for our sorry state of affairs?

We all know it's absolutely impossible to get things done with the North in the mix, just look at today's PDP, same nonsense was going on when ZIK joined them decades ago.

Now, what was Awolowo supposed to do? Sit on his hands and not fulfill his charged obligation to take care of and look after his people, especially after other folks refused to join him and go join other incompetent people.

Like or dislike the man, he did his job by actualizing his campaign promises, he took care of his region and served his people and dignified the oath he took. He built and started lots of firsts in Nigeria and Africa. Decades after, his achievements is still moving the Nation forward.

The industrial estate he built is still the only major industrial estate in our country. Successive incompetent administrations are yet match, emulate and capitalize on what the man accomplished in less than 7 years (from 1952 to 1959).

The question now is, what if the man was left alone and regional administration was never terminated? Wetin the west go look like?


The man did his job as a leader and as an administrator. Unfortunately, other regional leaders took their eyes off the ball.

Hate or love him, the man remains the best president we never had,

I'll make sure to respond to you more positively and comprehensively as soon ass Tinapa starts making money to build roads, bridges, hospitals and schools and people of calabar starts drinking disease free water, employ 10 thousand youths and all the other stuff you named. Right now, Tinapa is a big ole' money losing pit with zero benefits, use and gain to the calabar people. That you can not dispute.


About me getting fired, you're basically disputing and buttressing my point at the same time. Go invest your job's money on some project without securing necessary permits to operate and see how fast you get fired.

The obvious implication here is the fact that the state and their partners were reckless and incompetent. Tinapa is gathering dust because of that single incompetent act. meanwhile, Tinapa is losing millions of dollars a day, just imagine how many roads, bridges, schools and hospitals construction jobs that go don create, I'm talking about millions of dollars worth of construction projects since 2007.

Yes!! it's divided already.

Make it official and hand me my passport.

now this is bullocks

one of those thrash

The above is on you till you counter every word/sentence in my post same way addressed the person I quoted like an adult.

Trash talk is basically trash talk, it can not be substituted with adult discussions and intelligent exchange of Ideas. I'm really not saying you can't talk trash because it's your God's given right, just count me out.

WOW. Sorry but I find your argument seriously flawed. What exactly do you know about the project? I wish people just did some research before they castigate and see that the issue is not exactly black and white. The TINAPA project suffered as a result of poor support in terms of legislative bills. First of all the TINAPA project is not just a water park but also contains a large shopping complex, hotel, film studio and other tourist activities. IT is only in phase one of the whole project. There were four phases which would have at there completion added a casino, more hotels and more entertainment venues. Sure one could argue that such a venture should have been the reserve of the private sector, but the funds used to build were not all government funds. It was actually built and the quality of the work was actually good, the structure is there for all to see. At a point wal-mart was considering opening a store there.

At the completion of the first phase shops were opened but not allowed to sell, why? Because the federal government was dragging its feet with legislation that would have allowed TINAPA to be a free trade zone meaning there was no tax on goods. What was the implication of such? Custom officials swarmed TINAPA and shops that had paid rent were not allowed to sell their goods if not they would be closed by officials. So people could look but not buy. Such damaged the reputation of what initially was a promising development. You go on about how TINAPA was not providing portable water for citizens hence it was useless. TINAPA may not have been pouring water and throwing food parcels into the hands of the poor but the project not just during building but more importantly at completion of the first phase created thousands of jobs. I could go on but why not try doing the basic research yourself instead of relying on hear say? They have a website you know? It isn't as black and white as saying TINAPA was bad, etc.

It doesn't matter how you cut and dice it. Any business venture that's not making money is a bad project, especially a poorly conceived, ill advised and misguided project.

All this ya essay just buttressed my point.


If I spent my company's money on a project like that without the necessary operating permits, den for don fire me long long time ago, but trust Nigerians to point fingers at other people. We have zero sense of discipline and responsibility, we exhibit the same foolish and dangerous mindset that's crippling the country.

Tinapa is just another chapter and example of our messed up national character.


Basic research shows that the planners were not professionals

Basic research shows that the planners didn't dot their lines before committing their money

What kind of fool/idiot commits hundreds of millions of dollars without license and approval to operate?

Now the project is a big ass white elephant losing millions of dollars day

The passengerless monorail alone cost 36 million dollars. What about urban monorail transportation to transport people from point A to  B? That's how you help and touch people's lives, not some of no use to people waste and thoughtless project.

You don't have all the necessary infrastructures needed to back up big projects like Tinapa. You don't have good roads to move people in from other states, air transportation is too expensive and out of reach for almost 90% of Nigerians and you don't have well equipped hospitals to handle emergencies.

Casinos in America and other places are thriving because their customers have good roads to transport them in from hundreds/thousands miles and states away.

The so called potential costumers are not moving in for a variety of reasons starting from high cost of doing business in Nigeria especially when others are relocating outside Nigeria. Running a business on diesel 24/7 is straight mindless and unsustainable.


Yes, we have a messed up and incompetent federal system but must we blame them for other people's stupid mistakes and lousy planning? The federal government didn't force you to spend or waste your money on Tinapa  without securing the necessary paperwork to operate.

People sneeze and blame the feds, people cough and blame the feds, people shit for pants and blame the feds, people steal money inside delta and they point fingers at the feds. when are we going to start blaming ourselves for our own shortcomings? this blame government for everything syndrome is getting out of hand. 

It's like a sin to blame and demand representation from your elected leaders at the federal level, it's their job to lobby the feds and bring home the bacon,  too bad they've mastered the art of bait and switch and succeeded in fooling their people that the federal government is responsible for every damn thin, they don't have to do any damn thing but collect fat paychecks, ride in fancy cars, build homes in all corners of the world and spend the people's money recklessly.

Other people bleeped up, not the feds. Good or bad, there are trade laws that must be enforced on the books and it's the responsibility of the state leaders to lobby the feds for adjustments before committing a dime of the state's resources.


Now they're talking about six flags. isn't six flags bankrupt? their stock is worth less than 20 cents.where will the loan/money come from? I'm sure no bank is gonna loan a bankrupt company hundreds of millions of dollars to invest in a challenging business climate like Nigeria. I'm sure they're counting on the state to front the loan via our clueless banks or misappropriate the treasury as usual. 


It's ok to feel and exude pride when we see fancy things in our neighborhoods, but  at what price when you still can't drink your typhoid water, your kids are still receiving lectures in sub standard and ill equipped sheds/classrooms, when people are losing their lives on deadly roads, when people are dying because of non existing medical facilities?


Same way they Ignored the lessons of Tinapa and came up with another scheme like six flags, they'll continue to ignore the people's needs and well being and keep coming up with wasteful and misguided showmanship projects while the people continue to suffer needlessly.


It's easy for these guys to come up with these mindless projects because the governors are clueless, they and their families are not going through what the average man is going trough. They drink good water, their kids are in the best schools in europe and america, their families have access to private jets to fly them to their choice of 1st class hospitals in europe and america and they don't have to travel on the deadly roads.

Your day to day concern is non of their business.

Why do we glorify waste and misguided projects and complain bitterly about lack of common human basic needs?


You can not have it both ways,

Abeg free the man, he has every right to spew his views and opinion just like you 2.


The Tinapa is of zero use to nobody, it's not touching the lives of the average folks in the state. The place is losing milions a day with no end in sight.

I don't have to tell you how many schools, roads, bridges, hospitals, water treatment plants and other infrastructure the money could have been spent on instead of some thoughtless, misguided,  badly planed  and unnecessary egotistical showmanship bondongle and disaster.



What can be improved to serve the people really? Will Tinapa provided disease free portable water for people to drink, will Tinapa provide good schools for the kids? will Tinapa provided good roads instead of death traps? will Tinapa provide good and well equipped hospitals and clinics?

Of course not.


You can't fly rockets to the moon without good launch pads. Invest in your people and infrastructures before dabbling into fancy money pits.

You are talking as if all nigerians put together can fight and win Igbos without the help of external forces. Leave any war between Igbos and the rest of nigerians without any external help and see if we are not going to wipe them of the map of the world.
It happened during the nigerian's aggression against Biafra in 1967 and Biafrans were already matching towards Lagos via ore to take over all nigeria. Their leader Gowon was already preparing to run away from the country due to his fear of the Biafrans until Britain called him to order and promised financial and military assistance to fight the war for them.
USSR, Egypt, Sudan and host of other countries later join in assisting those imbeciles and it still took them a whole three years to get the work of defeating the Biafrans done. So, stop making it as if Yorubas can do anything, after all they are know to be the first to take "Ben Johnson" at the heat of every moment.

It is your God given right to display your tribal affiliation and patriotism, but try as much as possible not to do malapropism with known facts and documented history.

Awo saw to it that Nigeria prosecuted the unfortunate civil war without borrowing a kobo.


Feel free to carry on with the rest of your fluffs and bragado sha,

LMAO.


About time they get called out

what a shame,

lol @ you bumping your own thread for attention, well, for what it's worth, make I support u small with my own post,

No comment

let me know when you go begin petition naija government to stop corruption and begin eliminate the kain nonsense wey allow the depiction inside the movie to transpire in the first place.

The may alternative energy rise up and smash oil dependency

Good thinking


No doubt, green is the way to go. Unfortunately, there's so much dollars and Infrastructure Investment around oil and gas exploration to make green energy look like pipe dream for decades to come.



Long Live Crude Oil

Long Live Bonny Light

so ours should dry up as quickly as possible.

lol,


we never even discover or touch a quarter of our reserve.

There's oil all over the coast of Africa, it's just a matter of time before the rest of Africa discover theirs,



Beaf, abeg go look for better news and quit wasting my time jare,

It is please. Doesn't it worry you that Kaduna which is a non hausa state is doing this to hausas?. This is Nigeria. May be they are deporting kano indigenes because the sniff gutter ,abi?. What is the rationale behind deporting almajiris that grew up in he state. Some of them were even born there.

I see your point. Unfortunately, you and I can't do nothing but vent on the pages of NL. Almajirism is an institution, it's been going on way before my my mom and pops met.

It is sad; but the way I see it, the issue has been boiling beneath the surface for ages and it's about time it erupts to the surface for the nation to examine and debate, to demand accountability and responsibility. The bucks got to stop somewhere because generations after generations of almajirism is unsustainable.

It's a national shame and collective failure per our leaders, They took oath to provide for, shelter and guarantee the safety and security of each and every Nigerian.

For what it's worth, my initial post was reasoned along the same line because people were going on and on about lagos state as if na local/lagos state problem. It's obviously a national problem and it's a  disgrace that almajirism pervades within our society.



@ beaf, today is not your day, I take a rain check.