₦airaland Forum

HNosegbe:
Mr Beaf, can you please tell us what makes you so certain that the paper set out ab initio to "subvert" the administration? What we have here is a newspaper saying that it has a copy of former President Obasanjo's letter to GEJ, and they have said that they stand by their assertion. This means they are prepared to tender it as evidence should this ever make trial.

So let's drop all the 'conspiracy theories', let the case go to court and let the courts decide.

When people play games with the highest office, they can only reap whirlwinds.
Put yourself in the bracket; if you were to forge and publish a letter addressed to the President, what do you think the repercussion would be? If on the other hand, you claim that a spy stole it from Aso Rock and gave it to you, wouldn't you feel extremely lucky to to only be held by the police?
As I keep saying, being in the opposition does not equate to being a subversive. Lines have been crossed and we can only hope that strong examples are made of those men.

So long as they identify with Nigeria, they are Nigerians and nobody is more Nigerian than they are.

yelanst:
@ Beaf,
Thanks for throwing more light on this program. I have a good business plan. How can i have access to this fund? Do they have any corporate HQ ? if yes, Where? I need funds to pursue my business plan. Thanks.

You will find info here: www.youwin.org.ng

tolu001:
@beaf

Is this beaf pork sane at all, why is your thinking so lopsided?, i've never seen u reasonable or objective anywhere on nairaland and i'm sure outside nairaland you are no different.

People like u walking freely on the streets of Naija is a DISASTER to the country. Don't you worry, your days of reckoning is by the corner.

The above will not free the errant journalists. They pushed hard and are being treated harder, the Nation newspaper cannot toy with the Presidents name simply because they are in the opposition.
As I have said over and over, opposition is not the same thing as subversion. I hope those journalists spend good time in jail, it will teach others never to forge any document and attach the Presidents name to it, or in the very least, not to publish any purported letters they claim to have been sent to Aso Rock. There are several security implications in their actions and I pray fervently that they serve very stiff jail sentences.

mukina2:
where when and how where you banned for calling an argument daft?
if i banned you i know what you got banned for, do not twist anything here.
are you sure you  were banned unjustly?

Abeg, mek we hear word jare.
I commented on someones post and ended my comment with the word, "daft" only to learn that I was banned for calling someone daft. There is quite a difference between calling an argument daft and levelling the same word at a person. Strange things happen sha, I think I can hazard the real reason for the ban, though; I had just started a thread on Tinubu on the one hand and alh harem had just started a thread to ridicule me on the other (which I reported, but which made the front page anyway, in rhyme with our strange theme).

Una de try.

[quote author=Omo_Tier1 link=topic=779846.msg9321501#msg9321501 date=1318410274]is this how GEJ intends to create thousands of Steve Jobs in Nigeria? Another waste of money!

This is like a farmer that plants a seed amount weeds and is expecting a bumper harvest! Complete insanity

So long as the structural set up of the economy is flawed as even GEJ has admitted to, and there is no visible sign that something is being done to fix the structural flaws, the impact of this will not go beyond the pockets of political associates.

My take is competitions like this should be left to training institues; budding idea centers, colleges, schools, universities, etc with the active backing of the FG through her agencies.[/quote]Why do you think "training institues; budding idea centers, colleges, schools, universities, etc " are not holding such competitions?

You claim the economy is structurally flawed, yet you keep fighting all attempts to fix it tooth and nail.

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The accusation of forgery can be gleaned from the questions Abati asked the Nation as well as the words of the Nations editor in chief to AFP. Its all about forgery.

olawalebab:
You sound as the lawyer and the judge. Those words are too harsh, or una already the lawyer that will charge them

The game the journalists played is proportional to the treatment they are getting in response. There is no country in the World where any press person is bold enough to publish "secret" communications they purport to be from a sitting President.
Those men are going down, and they are going down hard; they decided to test the highest authority, so let them reap the bitter fruit.

Opposion does not equate to subversion.

Demdem:
I honestly dont think so. instead, i think they are just starting their investigation. The typical Nigerian Police style. why dont u think of it this way:
O yes, the President knows all letters on his desk and he noticed that one critical one is missing and wants to know the mole in his office
Until it is substantiated that these letters are forged, the journalists are still innocent.

The more reason why the perpetrators need to be locked away and questioned by the security services. They cannot play games with the Presidents office, that is subversion, a serious offence which carries a hefty punishment. There are really no kind words to describe what the Nation did. Those editors are in real trouble indeed.

As for producing a document in court; its of little use when that document is already known to be fake.

oyb:
gej presents the apprentice fg version

plenty of entertainment, motion but no movement

the 'entrepreneurs' are still going to come back to the real world of poor infrastructure, corruption, security agents gragra

the same gej who was running his mouth about steve jobs - tell the dunce

we don't need any gitzy made for tv govt program, we simply need an enabling environment - steve jobs and steve wozniak would probably found it impossible to build the first apple pc with phcn power cuts. as for manufacturing and distributing the computers. . .



empowerment

You're now too old to participate, therefore you show bad bele!
The deal is for 18 - 35 year olds and entry is open for the next 22 days.

werepeLeri:
What a smart way of sending me your number- I get it. Will ring you.

Lol! You're a double winner.

Xorenxo:
To create 110,000 in 4 years is a tip of the iceberg where the Nigeria job creation committee acknowledge that there are 12 million unemployed on their website.o

The FG should use the 50 billion allocated in the 2011 budget year for training as many jobless as possible in short term onr week edp program mes and agriculture related jobs for the trainee to be able to create jobs for at least 10 per beneficiaries which will at least give 6 million jobs in one year.

They can repeat the fete in 2012 and by 2013,there will be hardly any unemployed in Nigeria.

If they want to continue on the approach of the ivory tower planners and executors to solve the problems of unemployment they will never solve this problem and will multiply the number of recruits for the terrorist,smuggler,LovePeddler and armed robbery industry of Nigeria.

I had submitted over 10 free ideas to the Job Creation Committee.
They appear to listen to those who are interested in chopping the money on irrelevances such as conferences,reimbursable and salaries for pseudo consultants.
God Help Nigeria

Go and start a business. The govt has opened the way for you, why won't you sieze it?
Govt does not need to train unemployed people, instead those unemployed people can start businesses to employ and train others. The FG can't continue acting like a granny to all citizens, that is more the job of local govts.

Demdem:
fantastic. This to you is rule of law right?

Come to think of it, what is wrong in first investigating before arrest and detention as its being done in the civilized world? i see no difference in what this govt has done to these journalists and what our previous military govts did.

I believe investigation must have been concluded. The President knows all letters on his desk afterall.
Like someone hinted earlier, journalists are not above the law. 419 people are regularly arrested and locked up, so why should it be different for other forgers?

yemi313:
Is there a website for this? How do you join the program. Please, anyone?

The website is at:

[size=21pt]www.youwin.org.ng[/size]

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They know the answer, but pretend not to. Its like anyone can start up a newspaper and start frantically forging like the Devil after seeing a pretty girls panties.

Akainzo:
This was exactly the same line of ranting you used when the police arrested Dokpesi, you ranted to high heavens how guilty Dokpesi was, but what happened, Dokpesi became the campaign coordinator for your GEJ.

You have started on the same drive again, soon, you would be made to swallow spit. FYI: Rule of law that GEJ proclaims and that he purportedly wants to promote by signing the FOI bill, would imply that if you cannot charge someone within 48 hours, then you cannot arrest them until you've concluded your investigation. So they should not be locked away, they should simply be charged if the police conclude that the letter is forged.

"You said" "They said". Dude, don't you have a mind of your own?
Don't worry about me, stick to the topic. Or haven't you noticed there is a topic?

olawalebab:
@beaf, it's very possible to get any correspondence meant for the president, am not saying The nation should not be touch when they commit crime, but let the law takes it cause. Why not sue them instead of resorting to a combat like style.

The right thing is to arrest every last one of them, lock them away, question and charge them, after which they will be returned to detention. Being in opposition does not equate to being subversives that flaunt decorum and morality to forge documents and purport them to be from the highest office in the land. A time comes when the benign snarl becomes a full throated roar.
They have pushed their luck too far this time and the price is being paid. I hope they serve very stiff sentences.

The opposition from the North and SW stretch the rules to breaking point all the time, but forgery is way beyond the bounds of actions that can be overlooked.

Relax101:
Hunger strike is not meant for every body. Im wan die. lol

His own type of hunger strike means drinking only cornflakes, champaigne and tea.

olawalebab:
@beaf, i don't understand the word 'forge' you use, The nation said they still stand by their story, don't crucify them yet. Let them prove their case in the court of law and court of public opinion.

Simply put, it isn't possible for any newspaper to get a copy of a letter from the Presidents desk at Aso Rock.
Even the staff of the Nation know the grievousness of what is going down.

"I think they want to press charges of forgery against the newspaper," the editor-in-chief of The Nation, Victor Ifijeh, told AFP.

http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/5-Nigerian-journalists-arrested-20111012

Being in opposition should not make people subversives, forging GEJ's letters and Obj's signature. What will they do next, sponsor boko haram?

emiye:
Where is the job creation road map?

Or is it throwing money around as usual? Seemingly good project but surely poorly planned.

It is bound to fail, am not a prophet a doom.

How do you know? Abi your office is in Okija?
You are a prophet a doom, sadly.

The govt has done well with the idea, it is for the youth to test it by forwarding their business plans. I hope the process will be televised like Dragons Den, that will even make it self-sustaining from advert fee's.

Torombo:
I'm a bit dumbfounded that most posters think that reducing the number of agencies at the ports from 13 to 6 is a bad.

This situation is similar to what obtains at the MMA with a plethora of agencies checking and wasting your time hoping for an opportunity to take money from you.

I have travelled extensively internationally for 25+ years and in most places [size=14pt]the only officials you need to interact with are Immigration and security clearance 99.9% of the time[/size].

Exactly! I don't know of any country where there are so many agencies checking and rechecking the same thing only because they want to waste your time, make you anxious and demand money. Even in fellow smaller African countries, you don't see the equivalents of NAFDAC, NDLEA and so forth clogging port operations and making the conduct of legitimate business look similar to escaping the evil clutch of Satan.
It is a very laudable move by the govt.

Funny stuff.

[size=14pt]Asiwaju vs Code of Conduct Bureau[/size]
By HON. KUNLE ADEMOYE
Wednesday, October 12, 2011

The recently announced readiness of the Code of Conduct Bureau to commence trial of the revered ACN leader, Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu, over the allegation of multiple foreign accounts which he kept during his tenure as governor of Lagos State, should ordinarily not have elicited raised eyebrows, considering the dictates of the rule of law, which assures justice in accordance with the laws of the land.

However, the issue over which tongues seem to be wagging right now is the curious coincidence. Coming in the wake of the recent Ikuforiji – EFCC encounter, it further lends credence to the suspicion of a systematized arrangement already perfected by the cabal in power through their cronies towards a massive clampdown on progressive and opposition forces.

This is why progressive forces all over the country need to be on guard, because whatever affects this son of Africa and pride of the black race also affects the progressive bloc as a whole, considering his status as a foremost arrowhead of the progressive forces.
The import of this alert should not be lost on the discerning, considering the fact that the reactionary oppressors, where-ever they hold power anywhere in the world, are always conscious of their shortcomings, and are ever desperate to employ every measure, ranging from the subtle, to the vicious, to perpetuate their hold on to power.
The Nigerian context is, therefore, no exception, as amply attested to in the many political battles of intrigues and conspiracy Asiwaju has had to contend with over the years.

In this respect, one remembers the certificate palaver and the allegation of drug running leveled at various times against him. There was even the funny case of a national newspaper, which came up with the story of an armed robbery attack at the Bourdillon Street residence of the ACN leader. In the end, it turned out a fabricated stuff that was better told the marines. There was yet another concoction to the effect that the ACN leader was questioned and consequently disallowed from attending the presidential inauguration of Barack Obama of America; on allegation of drug deal; all of which turned out false.

There was also the deliberate deprivation of Lagosians, by Olusegun Obasanjo, of Local Government funds due to the state during the epoch making tenure of Asiwaju on the gubernatorial saddle of Lagos State. Just recently, I was in Ghana to witness the African Leadership Award bestowed on this outstanding leader of men, and I could not but marvel not only at how Asiwaju is popularly celebrated in Ghana, but also how his fame has spread throughout Africa. All the people I interacted with from the political topshots in Ghana, and even the taxi drivers on the road, spoke in glowing terms about the man.

And, of course, even back here in our native Nigeria, our compatriots in other tribes like the Igbos, or Hausa-Fulanis among others, equally speak of him in glowing terms, and indeed look forward to a leader who would accomplish the unifying feat amongst them, as Asiwaju had done for the Yoruba.
But beyond the geo-political zone of the South-West, there is no doubt that Asiwaju’s stature transcends the entire Nigerian landscape considering his stature as the arrowhead of the progressive forces in Nigeria, as well as the rallying symbol of the political opposition.

Indeed, the multifarious travails of the Great Awo who happens to be Tinubu’s role model, in the hands of these same oppressive reactionary forces in power, throughout the turbulent annals of his political struggles, further serves to accentuate the need for all the forces of progress to rally towards a total and unflinching identification with this committed man of the people, and the last hope towards a virile and better Nigeria.
It’s of course common knowledge, even to today’s children of the kindergarten age that every conceivable machination of the most diabolical order, was brought to bear on the vicious attempt to nail this enigmatic Nigerian hero.

They range from accusation of treason, for which the man was sent to a ten year jail term, to allegation of profligacy, embezzlement and mismanagement of funds for which he faced the Coker Commission of Inquiry.But today, Awo’s name remains immortalized in evergreen memory just as Asiwaju has succeeded in making an indelible footprint on the sand of time and registering himself in the affectionate memory of Nigerians, both among the living, and generations to come.

It is heartening to note that even the ACN leader, an illustrious son of Africa, and pride of the black race, not only remain unfazed, but saw it as a welcome development, which at the end of it, will put a stop to endless spells of political mudslinging and malicious speculation by the forces of anti-progress bent on nipping his soaring fame and influence in the bud. Such is the stuff of a great mind.

http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/features/freekick/2011/oct/12/freekick-12-10-2011-002.html

abiolak:
80,000 to 110,000 jobs in four years very poor, Gej n Iwela should set our steel companies, refineries, n other government dead companies up wit the 50bn, i tell u not less than 900,000 people will be employed at a go, its time they stop this rubbish of creating jobs for their families, senators and reps, governors and ambassadors, in the name of nigeria youth, when we have over 150,000 graduate every year.
FG wake up for good

The 50billion is to help Nigerians get off their arses, instead of praying that the FG will give them jobs at steel companies and refineries. We arent a communist country.

This is the an example of the sort of far reaching idea that the country needs to make progress. The private sector must be energised to generate wealth and employment. That is the way it is in all developed countries the World over.

The traditional drivers of development in the developed World are the military industrial complex and the private sector. Nigeria already has the beginnings of a military industrial complex with our space programme and various IT developments; so the country needs to plug any gaps by energising the private sector, especially by empowering our teeming youth population who are hardest hit by unemployment.

Let us pray that the running of YouWin will be excellent to produce the excellent results we dream of.

Great initiative.

[size=14pt]FG Launches N50bn Job Creation Fund[/size]
Wed, 12/10/2011 - 2:15am | GEORGE AGBA and GLORIA EZEIRU

President Goodluck Jonathan yesterday flagged off a N50 billion seed fund for job creation (YouWin) scheme, saying that the programme was designed to  tackle  youth unemployment in the country.

Jonathan said, at the event in Abuja, that his administration was committed to creating job opportunities for the youth by empowering them to become job providers and not job seekers.
He said the YouWin programme conceived for the purpose aims to create between 80,000 and 110,000 sustainable good jobs over the next four years.

Said the president: “In the course of the campaign for the April 2011 elections, I identified unemployment as one of our biggest challenges that we must address to unlock our vast potential. My concern is, let’s identify those that have potential so that we can empower them.

“This year when we met in Malabo, it was discovered that Africa was one of the continents where youth population is very high. In the United States of America and other continents they have population control measures especially in the area of child bearing, but we discovered that in Africa there are no such control measures.

“And I  believe that at that rate we will be able to create jobs faster. And that was why when we created the budget for this year we set aside a N50 billion fund for job creation. Today we have come up with this programme to see how we can help the young people who have the creative ability and turning such creative ability into money.”

He however called on state governors and the National Assembly to collaborate with the federal government in order to expand the programme.

Earlier, the minister of finance, Dr. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, stated that the scheme was not all about winning but focuses on empowering those with good business ideas to put them into use, while those without good ideas would undergo training to grow their businesses.

He said the programme was geared towards replicating what has been done in other developed economies.

According to her, “You know that unemployment is a big problem in Nigeria. We thought it was not all about talking but getting things done. It was a challenge for us trying to come up with some ideas; we are trying to do something that’s been done in other parts of the world. We want to empower our youth to start thinking of how to create jobs, not how to get a job.”

“It’s not all about winning in the competition, but it’s about empowering them to move their business forward. The programme is focusing on empowering those with good business ideas to put them into use, while those without good ideas will undergo training to boost their ideas in order to move their business forward. We will link them with banks to source for the capital they need. But more importantly, we will make sure that we monitor this programme vigorously.”

YouWin is a business plan competition aimed at job creation by encouraging and supporting entrepreneurial youth in Nigeria to develop and execute business ideas.

http://leadership.ng/nga/articles/6454/2011/10/12/fg_launches_n50bn_job_creation_fund.html

Ess:
BEAFBEAFBEAFBEAFBEAFBEAF where are you?!, finish blow.ing your Oga and come and brainwash your idiots on NL as you are losing supporters. I'm sure you can do it, you have done it before since they always choose tribalism before anything!

Come out now,

You go get headache o!
At the time of posting this, the thread has ONLY 57 replies out of 3448 views! Lol!
That miserable statistic tells us that only a few are interested in the gutter behaviour of those who think hauling insults on facebook makes them seem intelligent or worthy of attention. They are just like this unfortunate thread for damaged people.

. . .But who am I to stop your fun? Let the party continue!

It is wrong to forge letters. I pity those editors.
Its arse roasting day at CID and SSS.

No reasonable person would even imagine that The Nation somehow obtained a letter to GEJ.

@igbo2011

I really love your posts. You have a really positive cando spirit that is to be encouraged; most Nigerians really do not know where to start from and need stronger ones like yourself to point the way to self-healing and productivity.

The most negative aspect of an inferiority complex is that it leads its victims to tear more successful people or schemes down if in the mind of the victim, these things show them in a negative light. The fact though, is that a person who is true to themselves and wears their identity with pride will always be more dynamic, productive, innovative and confident than the person who is fake, has a fake accent and whose child is named, Alphonsus (because they "think" it is better and more acceptable than Chigozie). So, the ones amongst us with low self esteem will continue to under-acheive and attempt to tear down any genuine progress, it is a vicious cycle that will need total national re-orientation to overcome.

Johndoe100:

Johndoe300 - you have lost your forum posting privileges

Reason - stop attacking members.

What this means and the post it refers to we don't know.



We are royal, omo oba ni wa. You need to show respect to your betters, bloody commoner like you.

This is all we know about the ban. Please let us know what is up, and recommend the unbanning of an innocent.

Kilode gan, ogbeni o she nkan. Ekan fe fun awon familly ogbeni  ni wahala. Ke mope Olorun wan be O. OAM4J, Mo ri iwe to ko si mi. Mi o mo pe ami ni kan lon she be, awon ton she po. Anyway emi mo inco ton shelle. Ba wa so fun awon okunrinla ati obirinla kpe ogbeni ton je johndoe300 o she anything o.

I guess I can't complain then. I was banned for calling an argument daft.

The problem is very noticeable on NL!
But it extends way past Lagos, a great proportion of Nigerians have severe mental health issues, but fail to realise it.

Do you spend too much time in church? See a shrink.
Are you in the mosque for disproportionate lengths of time? See a shrink.
Are you one of those that at the slightest public provocation goes, "do you know who I am, I will lock up your fada!" See the psychiatrist.
Are you Yoruba, Isoko or Igbo, yet you name your child, "Michael Nicodemus" instead of Bimbo, Omezi or Nkem? Help yourself, the shrink waits.
Do you tear your neigbour down and have a herd mentality that see's you in gangs of bullies (eg starting NL threads) to round on your "enemy?". . . Mental issue.
Do you shout a lot? Are you sometimes violent? Argue when you have no clue? All na signs of kresman behaviour. See a shrink.

Nice one GEJ! He got the railways working again.

jason123:
That's a lie. Nigeria is the 4th largest producer of Cocoa in the world currently and all this is produced between the Ondo/Ekiti axis. We are behind Ivory coast, Indonesia and Ghana.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoa_bean
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-02/nigeria-s-cocoa-bean-exports-climbed-by-47-last-year-akingbola-says.html

And how much foreign exchange does that bring in? You don't get points for being rude, its a trick for fools.

Otunbakay:
Beaf, u seems not to have an answer to the question. Ah! U 'd better engage your STOOGES BRAIN and come up with your usual or else LABOUR MARKET may just be beckoning. Bros! No offence o; just my 2cent.

Maybe an id!ot like you can answer the question and tell the rest of us what bearing it has on the topic. Not stopping there, ask yourselves why you need to ask a fellow NLer instead of engaging your brains and moving on.