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Good point bro. Sadly, most Nigerians and Africans at large wear inferiority complex like a cloth. Elements of inferiority complex have made their way into our culture. Some subconsciously accept it. In fact, probably most of us accepted the superiority of western culture up to a turning point. I sincerely believe it should be a major prayer point. Every spirit of inferiority complex, away. .

emmaodet:
Bro i understand you clearly and let us look at it this way -
If we say the african culture or setting is backward simply because a man has the ability to chase out the woman if she commits then same can be said about the western culture which is the opposite of african culture that it is a backward society that encourages and empower women to chase out men when they commit or Even when they didn't commit.
Atleast, you will agree with me that a woman can just pick up a phone and call the police, inform them that the hubby wants to kill her or molesting her and they will kick his ass out.
Please tell me, is there any difference between a man that can call his family to kick his wife out in nigeria and a wife that can call the police to kick her hubby out abroad? Am just flipping the scenario, same story but different players.
So if you agree nigerian culture is backward because the law is tilted towards men then you need to agree that the western culture is Backward and Archaic for tilting towards women, children and animals before men.
We shouldn't let the hate we have for nigeria becloud us.

If both are backward, then what's forward? . There must be a standard you are measuring these against. What are those standards, and according to whom? At least you acknowledged the fact that one is not inferior to the other. Most people automatically assume ours must be backward, with the western culture being the standard.

ednut1:
yes both are backward. But over there many have turned to baby mama or singleness. Over here many ladies are still desperate for that same marriage. The matter tire person

I understand now. . I just wan throw that one inside. .

A40:
Maybe not up and coming as a star but perhaps as a leader. He did a lot or had to do a lot on his own

I don't want to hear anything about Isiah injury. He averaged 38 mins in that sweep. Lol I no wan hear any story

That one is quite painful ooo. Even your coach couldn't help you out. .

A40:
Lmaoooo he's still salty at MJ even though MJ gave him his due props as the 2nd best PG of all time.

Who will break it to Isiah that Magic and other dream team members didn't want him on the team? Is it Jordan's fault that he had such a terrible personality so much so that neither the coach (Pistons coach btw) and other members of the team couldn't stand for him

up and coming is kind of an undervaluation, Man. . He won the MVP in 1987/1987 season and had averaged over 30 points per game 5 consecutive seasons prior to the 1990/1991 season . Although I agree with the fact that they beat him up, with some help from the referees. Besides, it is said that Isiah was injured during that 1990 season(regular). If he was healthy maybe that could have affected the outcome of the finals(at least they don't get swept). .

A40:
Of course they beat an up and coming MJ but once he had a decent squad. It was a sweep!!! And they never recovered.

Speak for yourself man. Don't come here making unnecessarily belittling remarks about Nigeria. What the hell does " i knew Nigeria had no future" mean? You sound like someone that has never left Nigeria. .

blackslayer:
My own G7 country citizenship process:
F1 visa => OPT (2 years post college stay) => H1-B visa (Employment based sponsorship) => Green Card => Citizenship

I was born in Nigeria and my parents live in Nigeria. I don't consider myself a Nigerian at heart because i never fit in into their way of doing things and thinking right from a very young age. Reason i had the foresight to bounce from that shit hole at a young age of 18 and this was back in 2000. I knew Nigeria had no future.

Oh, people were not living in Africa when they colonized our forefathers?

TWoods:
lol perhaps I can come to your home and take what you have worked hard to build?

They traveled freely because the lands they went to where largely empty! I’m sure no one will stop you from migrating to an empty island somewhere and develop it to whatever you want. Oyinbos built their countries from scratch to benefit their children... you do the same rather than simply looking to be a parasite and demanding to be allowed to.

How about you move on to forums created by Ghanaians? I have comments all over the place, containing facts. Perhaps you are the one that lacks the ability to find information before commenting. Nonsense.

Noisyrians:
Grow up. This is not funny. Th world today deals with facts not some whimsical crap. if you have facts put it out for all to see, instead of hiding behind your hatred to spew crap

I don't understand why you think if 7000 persons got student visas, then it must be all over the news. We have a population of over 200 million. Definitely, at the very least there are over 7000 students out there with parents/guardians wealthy enough to provide the sponsorship enough to get a student's visa.

Skymoore1004:
If 7000 left to study in Canada 2019 then Nigeria is a rich country with plenty money for all. It means there’s no reason to even leave since we are ballers . No be only 7000 even 70,000

I would advise you now to go and get some proper education. I am a published researcher man. And if I don't know what pooling means I would google it, man. Meanwhile, I dropped out of Legon to get a far better education elsewhere. It's as simple as that. And you seem to have an exaggerated sense of your knowledge. Let me reiterate again, I never opined that pool testing should not be adopted. Perhaps you should go and read my post-the first one you mentioned- again. In a follow-up comment I stated that although it's something I recommend given our population, it's better to test a percent of the population individually, extract certain factors from that activity and then commence pool testing. You make it seem as if I clearly consider pool testing inappropriate, hence the reason I suggested that you should get a better education. You really do need that education, man. Honestly, I would like to know if you even attended a university and if you did, what did you study? Cos it doesn't sound like you have adequately enlightened yourself on the subject matter. I have mentioned its limit with respect to individual testing, but since you don't necessarily read my comments, you probably passed over it-i wasn't twisting words, I was stating facts. Again, when the percent of infected persons is more than 2%, pool testing is considered inefficient. The source below indicates a case where pool testing is inefficient
https://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/the-institute/ieee-member-news/everybody-in-the-pool-algorithm-researchers-tackle-the-coronavirus-test-shortage.

I have checked NCDC's website and over 12% of the tested samples are positive, which implies that pool testing may be inappropriate. I suppose that's why they chose not to go that way. Germany, which you mentioned has an infection rate of about 6%, while South Korea has about 1.7%, so if the current infection rate was the same when they began pool testing, I would consider it relatively useful, especially in the case of South Korea. I could argue that perhaps if they had ramped up testing earlier, maybe the pool testing would have been possible, but we are where we are. Also, the number of samples you can pool together depends on the rate of infection. So if you commence testing by employing the pool testing method, you may be pooling the incorrect number of samples. Now the second source has a graph which shows that increasing the pool size increases the number of false negatives. As such if you chose the wrong number in a pool, there's a likelihood that you a pool that tested negative may contain samples from some persons with the virus.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2003.09944.pdf

Besides, 88% of the persons that tested positive in Ghana have no travel history. That's quite alarming. Perhaps you should think about this.

Please if you do not have anything useful, or you have not gotten better enlightenment do not mention me again. Good luck.

vaxx:
I can as well tell you , you are more of Williams Shakespeare student rather than a scientist as you are trying to impersonate .You don't negate an argument by just stating it, you provide explanation as well.

now let me educate you, the anonymous legon drop out , what is “Pooling"" it just means that if you have for example 100 samples to be tested , you put them in pools of ten and, therefore, you test, at a time, 10 pools. So, instead of testing 100 samples, you actually test 1,000 samples. This is a common simple arithmetic, how is it limited to individual testing is what I am expecting you to state , not just mere twisting words together. just because Nigeria cannot do it , doesn't mean others cannot do it . it is a method that was derived in 1945 for screening samples right from the Blood Bank.

For the fact that there has been a robust data collection programme, of which 98.5% of samples posted negative to the virus shows that Ghana understand this scientific techniques far better than Nigeria, no matter how you publicly disagree. Ghana contact-tracing regimen is outstanding in Africa -i mean on per capita basis.

just 2.2% tested positive of the samples collected. that alone shows it is the best option.

You seem to think it's that easy. Collect samples from the recovered and produce a vaccine. You must be one of these guys that studied marketing. .

jawalis:
You mean More Malaria patients were discharged?
Audio Discharge.
I keep asking myself and the entire Nation what the hospitals and agencies discharging patients has been administering to the patients that aid such fast recovery and recuperation.
And why can’t the Medical researchers, virologist and Other health professionals come together and enquire for that special gene, trait of biological concept of the body of those discharged patients and collect sample while the push effort to produce probably a temporary vaccine for the main time.

It's about time they talk about this. It's been bottled for far too long. . For what it's worth this guy kicked the GOAT's ass for several years until he couldn't, so if anyone should want the smoke, he definitely has earned it. .

Roland17:
Isaiah Thomas wants all the SMOKE!!!!!!
#Lastdance

Lost my reality? I would like to first ask you, as someone else asked me. Are you a researcher? What bullshit. Detection limits of individual testing are the same as pool testing? Are you kidding me? Where did you get that information from man? It's been recommended that any region with more than 2% of its population infected does not qualify for pool testing. You are probably one of these guys that went UPS to read marketing. I don't understand why some of you guys think if someone punches holes in your arguments it must be because he doesn't know anything about it. I just told you i grew up in Ghana, and in fact I studied Biomedical Engineering at UG, and I left cos the research there was crap. I have not disputed the advantages of the use of pool testing. I have only made known the fact that it has only been recently applied to COVID, as such its efficiency is something to be concerned about. Besides pool testing may have been effective for other viruses/diseases but there's no telling how efficient it is with respect to COVID cos it's unprecedented, at least at this scale. Given the urgency of this, we can only apply whatever methods of testing and treatment that have had some success, learn, and modify our methods for better efficiency. As far as I am concerned you only have superficial information on the pool testing method, and that's alright, there are aspects of knowledge we are/were ignorant of. But if you do not have adequate information on a subject, when someone points it out go and search from reliable sources, then provide a comment.

vaxx:
I am afraid you have lost your reality, the testing methods as we know are all western inclined scientific principle. therefore, it make more sense to redirect you to western country adopting this old techniques in availability of the individual testing.

now, Google "Corona pool testing" and you will find that it's an innovative method being used in Europe (Germany, France, Italy, UK, etc) and other parts of the world (USA, Canada, Australia, etc). Corona pool testing has increased worldwide testing capacities many times over , just like I said before . It has the same detection limits as doing individual testing. Corona pool testing has the advantage of speed and being cost effective. I am sure you probably doesn't know much about Corona pool testing just like you don't know the capacity of Ghana scientific research .

It's works "perfectly" well for virus with a very low prevalence rate. 2.2 percent rate is way lower. Remember, it has a very high sensitivity as well.

The point is pro-Ghana forces. . cannot come here and peddle incorrect information about Ghana. Especially with respect to being advanced. It's bull shit.

Noisyrians:
You grew up in Ghana so what? Stop talking rubbish!

Yes, I am a scientist(advanced student). Not in biomedical science, though. . And I agree with your assertion that one is the standard while the other has only been a thing recently, as I suggested in a reply to someone. A trend towards the flat summit of a curve has to ultimately mean a reduction in the number of positives per test. Now, this is based on the assumption that the positives have been uniformly distributed, which may not even be the case here given that this hit us in a very short time. But we could assume that assumption holds approximately given the rate of transmissibility of the virus. In the absence of vaccination, testing is one of the ways to negate the spread of the virus, at least on the part of the government. The government cannot assume all residents will observe all the precautionary measures. As at this moment, a number of people carry the virus, and it must be spreading at a rate that is unknown. Bear in mind this rate could be accelerating. So we would first need to eliminate this acceleration if any, decelerate it, then create the circumstance of an approximately constant number of people with the virus. These can only be achieved by pulling positives out of the population or isolating them from a healthy population in this case. So adopting an accelerated mode of testing people is the way to go, if the factors of percent of the population with the virus, and the number of false positives and negatives per population among many others are established. So the reasonable thing would be to commence testing using the standard, then after a certain number of the population have been tested, we can switch to an accelerated testing method, which in this case is the pool testing method. However in the case of Nigeria, given the relatively nonchalant attitude of most with respect to the virus, it would be more reasonable to start pool testing now. And by the way, you sound like someone living outside Nigeria, living with parents, which are at least in the middle class, or at least in the middle class yourself. Do you know how an average Nigerian survives? Forcing people to sit at home isn't a reasonable way to combat the spread, especially in Nigeria. Nigeria is too sick a country economically to survive such a policy. . You may be able to survive this by sitting at home, but a lot of other people can't. The doubts about the recency of the pool testing method are reasonable though. But given our circumstances, any method for testing or treatment with about 70% accuracy is something any country should consider. Also, you added that the pool testing method has a higher chance of getting false positives. Where did you get the fact of "higher chance" from?

Landnaira5:
Are you aware one is theGold standard testing procedure while the other has limitations and a higher chance of getting false negatives. Are you a scientist? I don’t think pool testing is going to flatten the curve in anyway and that’s that. You will find more positive people yes but they would have been negative if the sat the Bleep at home when they asked us to. A few people on my street tested positive in the first 2 weeks and they are monitoring some people, but I’m not scared. Why? I stayed the duck at home. If those other people didn’t go out they won’t be worried like me.

Are you aware people with permits as essential workers are using their cars as taxis?? To take people around and you expect the numbers to reduce? Haq we’re not ready. My point is the virus will spread even if we start testing 10,000 a day.

I think the first two weeks would have made ALL the difference if Nigerians stayed at home. But here we are now. The lockdown was not well planned.

Stop the exaggeration man. In Nuclear and Medical research? I grew up in Ghana, man. . I also attended the University of Ghana for a while. So i know what research is like in Ghana. . So I am afraid that's a big lie. Ghana is not ahead of Nigeria in advanced research. Ghana doesn't even do much in advanced research. Besides you only restated my support of pool testing. You were looking for an opportunity to gloat about Ghana's involvement in advanced research. It's not as if you invented pool testing. Why are you even mentioning the western countries? I didn't have to do that to make my point. Must we apply everything that the western world applies? Encouraging the use of a method based on the fact that the western world uses it is a terrible way of convincing people-for their own good. The idea of pool testing for COVID was actually suggested recently by an institution in Isreal. It's efficiency for this virus has not actually been extensively studied. But in these trying times and for a large population such as Nigeria, that should be the way to go as it's effective. However, there's still a problem of determining how many samples should be in a pool. You have to be able to properly establish the percent of the population with the infection. you also have to factor in the number of false positives and negatives. In my opinion, you need to have tested a certain percent of a population to establish the factors earlier mentioned. I do not know if those at NCDC have tested enough people to establish these factors, neither do I know what fraction of the population is reasonable. I will have to do extensive research to determine that. I will leave that to those who have been paid to do it. My point is making theses choices are not as easy as you make it seem.

vaxx:
The fact is that, when it comes to some aspects of advance research, Ghana is far ahead of Nigeria. This is so in the area of nuclear and medical research. This is so because we in Ghana easily use our poverty status to seek external assistance . but I think Nigeria is too big for that. lol.i was surprised Nigeria can even seek IMF rapid credit now .

now to the matter of pool testing, it is very sensitive; it detects even the minutest presence of the virus and amplifies it many times. Remember, that Ghana prevalence rate of Corona virus is still very low, around 2.2% of the population. same as in Nigeria as well, pool testing is ideal, fast and cost effective testing method for Corona virus. Google "Corona pool testing" for more information. You will find out that most European countries like Germany, UK, France, Italy, Spain, etc; and North American countries USA and Canada are all using the PCR pool testing method. Corona pool testing has increased worldwide testing capacities many times over.

But honestly, you need a balance between the activity of testing more people and effective testing. For a population of over 200 million, pool testing is a better option. In fact, there's a high possibility that Nigeria has recorded a relatively larger number of deaths because of slow testing. You need to be able to isolate as many potential positive patients as possible. The earlier you can do that, the better. Although we cannot compare the results of the testing methods, I would think the facts available should urge the NCDC to reassess the efficiency of their method with respect to Nigeria's circumstances-population especially. For a country that has a limited number of testing kits and post-test health management facilities, i would think pool testing should be more effective. Although you may question the efficiency of the pool testing cos, it essentially involves testing a collection of samples, but I suppose scientists must have ascertained the effect of dilution e.t.c on the efficiency prior to recommending such a method.

Landnaira5:
Congratulations to Ghana but I think you need to also tell us that you guys are doing POOL testing while Nigeria is doing case by case testing with aggressive contact tracing. You know what that implies right? You can’t compare both countries since we use different testing methods.

Man, just forget about this argument. It's not going anywhere. Sad but True.

chidi1:
Chief, I suggest you read the article before giving your opinion. Ossification of bone occurs in both bone density formation and in epiphseal joint fusions. The article only mentioned ossification due to bone density ( not due to epiphseal joint fusion). I made the statement you highlighted to enlighten the initial writer on what I perceived was his misconstrued understanding of the article. Please read his bolded again and compare it to my explanation.

"Primary ossification centers only show minimal bone calcification density (BMD)."

Just waiting for Lebron's response to the last dance. .

. Ndidi passed the MRI test just before the World Cup? What bullshit. Source, please. The MRI test was conducted during the under 17 championship in Morocco and Ndidi was one of 3 Nigerian players who failed. The bottom line is that he failed the test. A guess of his actual age is within my discretion. Take it or leave it.

Joebie:
Ndidi past the MRI test until just before the World Cup, showing he was close to the border at least. Mikel never took that test because it wasn’t a standard then. and you expect me to sit down and listen to your lesson i. eye test? We have moved past that time. Some people look older or younger naturally. It’s an argument that no get head and tail.

What the heck is this? A lot of people look smaller than their actual age. So what's the point? What has hard work got to do with age? You tried to understand why they failed? I am curious, do you even understand how to make sense of academic articles and establish connections with other articles? I would like to know if you are a researcher yourself. It is good at screening old players but young players get caught in the crossfires. The question is how many young players?. We would need a published study to ascertain this. You make it seem like its accuracy is 60%, meanwhile, it has an accuracy of 99%. Again, what the heck. A lot of people out there look smaller than their age during their formative years. So i don't understand how this disputes the fact that he was over the age limit. Now to your compelling evidence. Again, what the heck. What are you doing bro? As someone else brought previously brought it to your attention, the article you specified has no direct conclusive bearing on how MRI scanning works for overage testing. The major factor considered is the fusion of the wrist plates. Can you explain how bone density growth impacts the fusion of wrist plates? As far as i am concerned it's not in that study. I am quite disappointed. You seem not to understand what those administering the scans look out for when they wanna check if a player is overaged or not. You seem to think bone density growth and fusion are the same things. Can you provide an article that establishes a connection between the two? If you can, only then can that article be useful in this discussion. Again for the determination of whether a player is over the age limit, they check for the fusion of the wrist plates. In your assertion, you ascertain that hard physical exercise increases bone mass during growth, and you provided an article as support. Well taken bro. But given the widely acceptable factor considered for the determination of overaged players-fusion of the wrist plates- you have failed to establish a connection between your actual assertion and the fusion of wrist plates. Can you do that please? Do a thorough search, please. I am waiting. Bear in mind my earlier opinion wasn't even scientific, which i specified. You brought the scientific process into the discussion. You don enter am.

Edit: I actually found an article that talks about the effect of physical activity on epiphyseal growth plates. It doesn't even talk about fusion. It mostly talks about mechanical loading, and how it affects these plates. So again this does not help your case.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3194019/

TheGoodJoe:
I am going through your words and I see you adding nothing to the point. This is something I have looked into and tried to get a deep understanding.

I did not and never frowned at the MRI. I am a very big supporter of it. Your assertion up there makes it look as if I or many Nigerians frown at the MRI. I have said it is something we have accepted. I have repeatedly said do not tag those that fail the test over aged. Why? Because of the accuracy is not 100%. It is good at screening out old players but young players get caught in the crossfire.

Ndidi, growing up was smaller than his peers. I am pointing this out because you made a wild suggestion of Ndidi being 28, forgetting he grew up under the watch of a coach. The screenshot below shows it.

Finally, I am okay with MRI screenings but I tried to understand why some young African players fail the test. If Maduabuchi Obinwa was not captured at birth, he would have been tagged an overage cheat. This changed my notion of failed MRI are age cheats.

Ndidi's case sparked my curiosity because we lost a supposedly special talent in the U17 team because of the test. Today, Ndidi is one of the most hardworking players in World football, if not the most hardworking. He attributed this to the highly intense training he was put under a long period by Nduka Ugbade. That was where I drew my hypothesis and did some research.

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Physical activity on competitive level and the skeleton

Today, there is compelling evidence indicating that physical activity affects the skeleton and the Bone Mineral Content (BMC) and Bone Mineral Density (BMD) in an anabolic way.

The first study that addressed this hypothesis showed that athletes subjected to high load activities had 10–20% higher BMD compared to the controls.

Further cross-sectional studies (note this is the MRI scan) supported this view when comparing the dominant and non-dominant arm in racket players, a study design that controlled for the genetic regulation of the BMC. The BMC was 25–35% higher among professional tennis players in the dominant arm compared to the non-dominant arm.

Reference:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2596740/

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To give you a few enlightenment, the MRI scan is directly related to the development of the skeleton of the human body.

Ndidi being smaller than his peers and then growing huge, defeats your wild idea of 28 years.

What the heck! How many actual young players failed the test? I have mentioned it, and i am mentioning it again, can you explain how working under strenuous conditions affects the result of the MRI? What kind of scientific bullshit is that? Innovative systems are not always 100% accurate, but an accuracy level of 99% is impressive. If you have a crop of 1000 players, and ten of them, whom are actually younger than 17 failed the test, the probability that you cannot get the same level of talented players in the 990, as you can in the 10 is very very low- Transcendental players aside. If in your effort to ascertain age and a very very small percentage of the talented ones fall through the cracks, that's alright. We work and survive in imperfect systems, occasional failures are not something you should frown on. They are things you should expect. That's normalcy. Moreso this one only fails 1% of the time. you have obviously run out of supports. Please just get on with something that actually needs your strength. There's no point in continuing this discussion.

TheGoodJoe:
All I am saying is that using failing MRI as proof of a player being overage should not count because young players can also fail the test. Coupled with how Ndidi worked under very strenuous conditions with Nduka Ugbade gives a chance of him being young and failing.

Why we like the MRI is because it gives us a high chance of having a sure group of young U17 players, keeping in mind that some of the good young ones can be cut off.

What is your problem now? . I never claimed my eye test was scientific. Before the advent of the MRI test, didn't most of us know our players have not been truthful about their ages? How did we come to that conclusion? By science? You seem to uphold the scientific process so much, yet that guy failed the test. My point is that the scientific process you so much believe in doesn't help you. And don't mention the fact that a few guys that are actually below 17 failed the test. Cos that argument is stale.

Joebie:
Ok sir I don’t understand your science of determining ages accurately by eye test

Bigger chance for a young player to fail? Bigger than what? What's your reference here? Where did you get that from? How many of the Maduabuchi's can you find? A less amount of young players fail? That's quite an exaggeration. A very very small number of players younger than 17 fail, would be a better assessment. In a pool of 1000 players, do you know what 99% translates to? The MRI gets it correct for 990 players. So I will go with that. And bringing up a few cases of failure of a system in that fashion is not quite useful. You can do better. I don't understand how being groomed by a national hero, not an old man implies that Ndidi is using his correct age. Neither does the fact that a Nigerian coach leads his youth teams to advanced stages means he doesn't know some of his boys are lying about their ages. I am not questioning his performance. We are talking about his age.

TheGoodJoe:
So explain why Maduabuchi, a 16 years old boy failed the MRI test? A genuine 16 years old with his date of birth captured in the American database?

The MRI scan is a criteria Nigeria has agreed to abide by not because it is accurate in helping us find our best quality talents in the U17 age grade but it helps us limit the chances of overage players breaking into the team.

The main idea of the MRI scan is that, it is hard for an old player to pass but there is a bigger chances for young players to fail.

A lesser amount of young players fail but a high amount of older players fail. As long as we have less overage players, we are okay to lose some high quality young players to achieve this. Does not mean all players that fail are overaged.

Ndidi was groomed by a National hero from young age, watched grow. Not some old man that came out of the blues to enter U17 team. Keep in mind Nduka Ugbade became one of the U17 coaches that period.

I like this one. You have just put forth an argument worth considering. Are you opining that training hard was likely the reason he failed the MRI? Nothing in that excerpt suggests that. Can you explain the correlation between hard training and MRI test negative result(failure)? Besides, the fact that he was skinny belies his age. But that guy in that blurry picture was definitely not 17, assuming that picture was from 2013. Your point is well taken though. I will take it if you can explain the correlation.
Edit: The MRI scanning process involves the investigation of the fusion of the growth plates of player's wrist. If the investigation is carried out and the result shows that there's complete fusion, then one can be 99% sure the player is over 17. So perhaps you can tell me how training hard affects the fusion of the wrist plates.

https://www.thenational.ae/sport/use-of-mri-technology-is-helping-fifa-in-age-battle-1.479733

TheGoodJoe:
I do not think Ndidi failed MRI due to being overage but excess training. If you read about his early days with Ugbade, you will notice how tedious the training Ndidi faced and how some players gave up because they could not deal with it.

You can see in the excerpt below, Ndidi looked even smaller than his peers while growing.

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“Ugbade is one of the biggest names in African football,” Africa-based sports journalist Oluwashina Okeleji tells BBC Sport.

“His opinion is respected and if he speaks to you, you listen. There is no limit with him. No excuses. He is a hard trainer but will not stretch you beyond your ability.”

Still, the tough training was too much for some but, as a skinny teenager who was also smaller than his peers, Ndidi felt such a work ethic would benefit him.

‘Take the ball and pass’ – keeping it simple pays dividends
The discipline he developed from being coached by Ugbade meant he treated every game equally – competitive or friendly – and his big chance to impress the wider world came in a tournament in Nigeria, where international scouts were watching.

https://bestchoicesports.com.ng/how-nduka-ugbade-disvovered-wilfred-ndidi-europes-top-tackler-at-leicester/

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Same thing I feel happened with Maduka Obinwa who despite being within the age limit failed the MRI scan.

You don't have to remind me of what you wrote. I clearly got that. Sadly you still don't get it. How about you move on to issues you actually can understand.

Joebie:
I don’t have time for your long epistle.
Mind you I said you were not making an intelligent argument. I didnt say you were not intelligent. You wouldn’t need to say much if you were.

So? For all your intelligence, you seem to be inadequate in your ability to make sense of opinions by considering their premises. I clearly stated in a follow-up post that this is an argument from experience with the development of people from humble backgrounds, as such it's not a logical development of facts. And who says i need to develop an opinion based on logic? Anyone is allowed to bring forth an argument provided they provide its premise/premises. An important part of a fruitful argument is that all parties involved must be on the same page, or at least understand the premise of each other's arguments. Besides, i was only joking with the addition of the fact that Mikel Obi is closer to his actual age than Ndidi is, although i believe that is likely. Some of you roll over the place claiming to be the connoisseurs of intelligent submissions, meanwhile, but usual don't even know what that entails. While claiming something is logical you pull in emotional thoughts(generally). Again i am allowed to vent an opinion i believe is very likely partially/completely based on my experience. Now as an intelligent thinker, you ought to ask what my reasons for that opinion are, after which a more fruitful argument can take off. If we really want to base this on logic, then there would likely be no argument at all. I would need to provide MRI test results, then provide a calibrated standard for interpreting such a result. I do not have access to such means, and i am allowed to argue from a different perspective. So you may think about this and come back with something better.

Joebie:
You are not making an intelligent argument

Ofcourse i am. .

Utonwanne:
You are talking in nonsense

I was referring to the under 17 world cup. Going by his current age, he was 17 then. That guy doesn't look like a typical Nigerian 17-year-old. He looked easily over 21. Perhaps your reason for such a stand is cos he looked lean. Perhaps if you can get a full-body picture, I may be able to give a better opinion. The background of these our players may make it hard to judge their age when they are teenagers(according to their football age). However, if you have an association with people from such backgrounds or you are from such a background yourself, you can see through it. If you know, you know. . I hope this exchange is not the beginning of a long one that could span days.

Danielnino00:
Well done o.. Didn't he pass the first round of MRI test for the Africa u-17 championship?

Meanwhile,here's a picture of him from 2013..