₦airaland Forum

texazzpete:
This is why we were pushing for CHANGE in the way things are done at the Federal level. That was the CHANGE Bakare represented.
The terrain of modern day Christianity is even as challenging as all that you described here. Yet you freely admit that there are 'Men of God' in Nigeria.
Unless the good men become involved in politics and bring their goodness to bear on the darkness, we will see no progress.

you forget, politics basicaly means compromise. Trying to satisfy everybody at the same time, telling white lies and so on and so forth. people dont like the hard truth. The word of God as it is in the bible is uncompromising. if it was, Jesus would have told the pharisees and saducees what they wanted to hear and focused more on freeing the istrealites from roman bondage. No one who represents God can stay untainted while involved in politics. The first lesson you learn is how to lie straight faced to millions of people. That alone goes against the tennents of the lord. you believe in the bible right? so you know that according to the bible the world is lost and all we can do is heed his words, recognise Jesus as the son of God and repent of our sins. No matter how much effort we put into the world it is still doomed. The job of our religious leaders is not to better our worldly circumstance but to prepare us for the coming of the lord. The road to heaven is supposed to be narrow, which means hard, frugal and filled with personal sacrifices, right? so why dont our pastors live that way? they are the total opposite. They are proud, boastful, extravagant and have little or no thought to flock. I am no born again but i am a struggling christian like many others. i have some degree of inteligence and i can read. So no pastor can pull the wool over my eyes.

[/qu[quote author=Rhino.5dm link=topic=661652.msg8280640#msg8280640 date=1304874396]God bless your brain.
I wish more will reason like you.[/quote]Seconded!!!

canadaik:
well, it's a two way situation in my thinking, pst. bakare wants the best for his country but maybe in his passion for that goal, he pursued it wrongly, wisdom and balance was lacking there,

Yeah, wisdom and balance were lacking but he had an overwhelming infussion of pride. And you know what happens before a fall. . . . .

apocalypse:
I don't see anybody castigating those speaking against Tunde Bakare. Who are the unbelievers ? Muslims , Christians or Pagans ?. What is your belief ?. Are we God to decide who is holy , righteous or not. What is different from Bakare , Adeboye , Kumuyi , Oyedepo or Ashimolowo and more importantly who are we to judge any of them.

Ol'boy i am talking about his character perse. i cannot stand anyone who talks with both sides of his mouth. he talks about humility but lives flamboyantly. critisizes buhari and does a u-turn to run with him. claims to see the future of others but cannot see his own. my guy, the list goes on and on.

AGAIN!!!

That people are worshiping there in the first place is a mystery to me. . . . . . . . .fake pastor. He can't even see his own future (prophecy) then how the hell will he be able to see Nigeria's. Anyway, the only reason Nigerians are so religious is because of poverty. when there is so much hunger, fear of the unknown and decay you have no choice but to rely on a higher power to take care of you and these baaastards know it. Thank God he lost. i wonder what would have become of Nigeria if they had won. An islamic extremist and a fake pastor; what a combination. At least we know with PDP we are going to hell slowly, but with BUHARI/BAKARE we would get there with the speed of light.

That people are worshiping there in the first place is a mystery to me. . . . . . . . .fake pastor. He can't even see his own future (prophecy) then how the hell will he be able to see Nigeria's. Anyway, the only reason Nigerians are so religious is because of poverty. when there is so much hunger, fear of the unknown and decay you have no choice but to rely on a higher power to take care of you and these baaastards know it. Thank God he lost. i wonder what would have become of Nigeria if they had won. An islamic extremist and a fake pastor; what a combination. At least we know with PDP we are going to hell slowly, but with BUHARI/BAKARE we would get there with the speed of light.

Facebook? i can even remember when i checked that crap last,

sulad82i:
[size=18pt]This guy's killing is too easy and brings a lot of doubt.[/size]

Those that were killed previously and were known to be inferior in rank to him were taken out by jet fighters with bomb. We all remember when Al-Zakawi (whatever his name) was killed, the guy was bombed to death. We all hear on the news daily that some militants / terrorist were killed in Pakistan by jet fighters with bombs on their location.
Why not Osama?

Why only 6 navy seals? (Probably cos they are so “super-power”)

We all know that taking the terrorist alive has being one of the intelligence goals so they can collect infos from them on how? who? why? where next? and all sort of learning to get from them. So why will they just execute the main man that can give the most of infos?

And if you all remember, there are pix or videos showing their bodies after or during their execution. Where is Osama’s? Why only Americans men that were involved in the killing and burial?

Someone pls let us know, if u live outside the U.S, and your country of residence is represented in Afghan, if they say on the media that they can confirm the killing or not, or just that they were told by the Americans about it.
Just asking  

I will attempt to answer all your questions without insulting you (which is going to be hard considering the disjointed logic and lack of reasoning you potraid in your post).
1) America needed some sort of proof to show that osama was really dead and from past experience mass bombing always had bad collateral repercussions (from the press and civilian casualties) that they did not want to deal with again.
2) Navy seal teams are always small in number, never more than six. They are experts at sneaking in and out of bad situations.
3) The warrant on osama was dead or alive. Who’s to say the baaasstard did not have a suicide vest on at the time. If it was you would you take the chance?
4) Which country would want osama’s body for burial? You run the risk of his burial place becoming a shrine where lunatics and depraved people visit.

Lastly there are some things you cant lie about. It’s like me saying I am the president of Nigeria. Wont the real president stand up to counter me? To make it clearer for you to understand, if osama was not killed wont he come out with present day newspaper in hand to declare America as liers?

ol’boy wake up

puskin:
. . . . . . .and when did Saturdays become working days??

Are you a civil servant? In the private sector you are expected to be on call 7 days a week. . . . . .

[quote author=Inked_Nerd link=topic=658129.msg8243510#msg8243510 date=1304318822]
It's not just the Middle East. They need to get the hell out of every other country they're freakin' occupying [/quote]We'll think about it. . . . . .

hooaaahhh!!!!!!

Blazay:
Many Nigerian MBA holders are driving cabs please. . . visit any Airport in the US.

There are soooooooo many of them on this Nairaland and OTHER Nigerian websites. . .posting away from their I-phones as they wait ALL day and ALL night in those long lines waiting for 5-5 dollar customers.

i still say you dont know what you are talking about. are you saying MBA's gotten from nigeria? then i probably would understand and agree. Nigerian degree's are generaly not appreciated. but an MBA from an american university? do you know the cost of getting one? are you talking from personal observation or hearsay which is common among nigerians.

Blazay:
Better than those MBA holders driving taxis all over the USA.

Obviously you dont know what you are talking about. You think say US and Naija be the same? where degree's mean nothing. You have an MBA in america and are driving cabs, yeah right!!!!

lastpage:
@Kilode You dont need to wander afar to find the definition of  "a messenger of God" as used in the Bible! I even gave a few examples FROM THE BIBLE, in my former post.,.,, ,.as opposed to this your list of some  "20th century, modern-day, self proclaimed MOG " whose authority for the acquisition of that title, l can not honestly vouch for!

In case you miss it, go back to my Post and read again, the definition of "A Politician" and show me "one man" in The Bible, who fulfills that definition.
And again, the Bible did not ask us to wallow and die in ignorance but that we should "seek and search out the truth", so we can be free!
How can you then obey the Bible, in that context, if you cannot even ask QUESTIONS about issues that baffle you?

I am not for "insulting any Pastor" neither would l sanction the "gloating" over the misfortune of anyone, how much more Pastor Bakare! I do respect him a lot and my curiosity as to "What happened, that this has to happen", stems from my personal respect for him and his antecedents, over time. Asking "genuine questions" is an eternal right of any Christian or human for that matter. (if it was someone like Alao Akala that said these things, l'll probably hiss and pass it over! )
If you want to "Hero-worship" any Pastor, that is your choice and entitlement; feel free to close your eyes[/color]
Whats the story about being a joint author of the KJV? that was really funny l must say!

Thats aside, for now.

I cannot confirm this but anyone with access to the Punch Newspaper of this date can unearth it and verify the truth:

If these statements credited to Pastor Bakare are true and correct, a few questions still baffle me:
1.) By the spirit of God: When God says YES, so it will be. The spirit of God never deceives or say falsehood!

2.) This tall one: If the spirit of God has told Pastor Bakare earlier, that Buhari IS NOT PART OF THE NEW NIGERIA BUT THE DECAYING PART, why (and what) on earth would make Pastor Bakare to align with "this tall one"? WHY? he could have aligned with any other person (Say Ribadu, that was not mentioned by "the spirit of God", in that revelation). Why "this tall one" in particular?

3.)Was Pastor Bakare not aware that as a man of God, he cannot ignore revelations given to him by God? Is he not aware that those who ignored the word of God, as spoken by prophets like Isiah and Jeremiah, Samuel, e.t.c., paid dearly for it? While l will not stand and accuse him (because he must have his reasons and out of respect for him), he owes people like me (baby Christians) a lot of explanations as to what informed "his decision" to align with "this tall one". Why?

4.) On the other hand, if Pastor chose to "IGNORE" that revelation and align with "that tall one", was it a blatant act of disobedience to the spirit of God?
*Or Was it because he had  "prior knowledge" of whence come from, that prophecy, as not of the spirit of God?
5.) As someone who had built-up a very solid reputation for speaking out against Evil, in retrospect, what and how does he view the comments attributed to him, before the election? Does those comments edify God, Christ and all they stand for?
Did he, a man of God and Peace, a Doctorate degree holder, ask people who are generally prone to violence, to go to Polling stations with matches and Kerosine! (To vote or to burn?). What was he thinking for Christ's sake? I think the Devil mus be at work here

6.) And why has he not come out to condemn the violence and commiserate with those who lost the fruit of their life's labor? (That is what a child whom you train to graduate level and release to serve your country, is, to the Parents!). Does he not feel for these unfortunate people or is it still about "Politics as usual"?
If "that tall one" feels no remorse and thinks the killings/violation/arson are justified, what about the man who has the spirit of God in him? Does the spirit tell him they are justified too?
There are loads of baffling questions surrounding these issues. many questions and NO ANSWERS,.,.,.,. yet!

NIGERIA, WE HAIL THEE!

If i could i would shake your hand. there are only 2 people in Nairaland i would gladly do so for. Sagamite, kobojunkie and now you. It is refreshing to know that people who can display logic still exist in this hard times. especially when in nigeria, where hunger has taken hold and amnesia plus other serious ailments are the result.

^^^^ i am so impressed. you actualy took my advice and tried to educate yourself. but you still faltered a bit. not to worry you will catch up eventualy. you only read one part, which you did not understand completely, and dived into a rebuttal. dim witted as it was at least you tried. "the role of God as it pertains in the bible was left out". why did you leave that part out? I repeat again "^^^^^you still dont want to understand. That was why i said "go back to school" so that you can grasp the full distinction between monarchical leadership vs political leadership and the role of God as it pertains in the bible".

^^^^^you still dont want to understand. That was why i said "go back to school" so that you can grasp the full distinction between monarchical leadership vs political leadership and the role of God as it pertains in the bible. since you refuse to then wallow in your ignorance.

toks2009:
There was nothing bad in Bakare opting for VP alongside Buhari and i'm very sure he did that due to the passion he had for a change in Nigeria.

But unfortunately,things turned out this way and i know he will be regretting right now,not because CPC lost but the crazy aftermath of the election.

I know Bakare, he is a man of integrity,there was nothing and i mean absolutely nothing wrong running for a political seat.

And for the ignorants, please understand that GOD has a hand in politics,he installs kings.

better go back to school. Never put KINGS and POLITICS in the same sentence to further you argument. kings are monarchs, they have nothing to do with politics. or where in the bible did you hear that saul, david or solomon for that matter had a manifesto and went campaigning for leadership of israel. they were installed by God, period.

Ystranger:
Are you crazy?  With her status in Nollywood, she could shoot a film for say $30,000, and with the high turnover rate in Nollywood, I can see her shooting 20-30 in a year. The movie industry in Nigeria is till very primitive and not as stressful, she could be making 20x the amount she would be making as a nurse and still have time for her family.
She can always fly to the US every weekend or have her kids come stay with her in Lagos.
My point: Very senseless move on her part.

Na small pikin de do you. Senseless move indeed!!! For your information (cause i dont know where you are getting your stat's from) RN's on average make 90k per annum. And that is for the first 3 years in the proffession. The more experience you have the higher you are paid. Last year alone RN's with enough experience were making between 120 to 140k. I know this because my wife is one. she graduated last year and she's already making 76k annualy. I dont know about you, but that kind of salary in America or anywhere else for that matter no be joke. Regina has already paid her dueS, she has been there and done that, what makes you think she didn't go into this field for self fufillment. what makes you think she did not go into this field in order to gain more experience as foundation to set up a massive hospital in Nigera. and with the resources in america that would not be a problem. all she has to do is have good credit, walk into a bank and apply for a loan. whatever she makes financialy after then would dwarf any female artist in Nigeria. But at the same time Money is not everything you know. you have to ask yourself, HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH?

Quote from LASTPAGE

"Now, ASK yourself: Did Jesus ever stand-up for elective office? Was his name EVER on the Ballot box?
Did prophet Jeremiah, despite his involvement in "Preaching the good news" to errant rulers EVER stand-up and put his name on a ballot box, and seek VOTES? NO!. Did he rule over some people, with their consent? NO!
[b]SHOW ME ONE PERSON WHO EVER WAS GOD'S messenger, who was a Politician, IN THE VERY SENSE OF THAT DEFINITION.[/b]"


Perfect Quote. . . . . I too like this guy or girl as the case may be.

@kobojunkie. . . . . I was never in support of bakare contesting this election, especially as a running mate to buhari. I believe he should have known better. Politics is a very dirty game especially in Nigeria where there are no rules. To succeed he would have had to decend to the same depraved level as those criminals in PDP and other parties. This is the main reason you and i were at drawn swords (toungues in this case) at one time. His credibility has been shot to hell. Like i said, he should have known better.

werepeLeri:
you are so unfortunate. Others I know receive money in large sums from relatives in Nigeria, yours is the opposite. awwww. pele.

what a reetarded comment. . . . . . How many people can send money from Nigeria to the west to support their family members? if you dont have anything logical or inteligent to contribute you had better keep quiet. . . . . . .

Kobojunkie:
It is very sad!!! People who have been violated for 12 years by the PDP now singing praises of this same group and believing they are all now born again . . . just like that~!!! sad

For Now we can only watch and pray. Good to see you back sister. . . . .

It is worrying to Note that people are getting used to PDP and there rigging ways and have accepted it as a way of life. Nigeria is about the only country that i know that has adapted to oppression. WOW!!

MeGaStReEt:
I am proud of you Beaf, there was a time I actualy got fed up with this whole GEJ and PDP thing, I started reading your post and it inspired me, I have never voted in my life till last saturday, I stood under that skin burning sun all for GEJ, just to perform my civic duty to the one I believe in.

I pray with God mercy and guidance, he will perform better than our expectation, come 2015, there won't be any competition

Clear evidence of how PDP has violated not only the country's finances but the people's will and hope. So much so that people are now envisioning PDP as the only way forward forgeting that they put the country in the depths of depravity in the first place. I have marked all your names, all those hailing jonathan now. I will quote you all when you start complaining soon. And to you beaf, shame on you. You have let your tribal sentiments deprive you of your principles. were you not the same person crucifying PDP in the past saying nothing good will ever come of it. But as soon as your kinsman declared intent you began singing another tune. No wonder the south south is as f.uc.ked up as it is. with people like you around, it has no choice or chance for that matter. SHAME ON YOU.

Concept:
My messages on my facebook profile are about BB for the past two weeks with strong words.

SAMPLE (On the youtube video about the rigging in Rivers state)

No be only Buhari go cry for Nigeria, please bring bucket, I have started my own. NIGERIA when are you going to let off from the grip of self slavery. Look at the key to your problem in your hand but you refuse to use it. kai!! your condition is worse than the way I left you 12years ago. Wake up!!! ani ke gbe koroba wa ekun yi le di river Benue tabi Niger oh.

Keyword here is "SELF SLAVERY". Tomorrow we will start to blame America for our troubles, as if americans are the one's perpertrating the riggings going on right now. And on another note; All of a sudden because his tribal kin is running for president, beaf has turned deaf, blind and d.umb to the evils of PDP. Now i totaly and completely understand why the S.S is so messed up. With psychophants like beaf around, it will always be that way. BEAF YOU HAVE EXPOSED YOUR TRUE SELF.

Sagamite:
ROFLMAO!!!

Bro's no be laughing matter oooo. . . . .  we need to start thinking seriously about going back to exploit this huge loop hole in Nigeria. The ratio of reetards to sane people is like 1000:1. That in itself is unbelievable. There are millions to be made with people like that. what do you think?

I still dont understand why they say america is the land of opportunity, Nigerian obviously takes the cake on that. what a country.

Beaf:
If GEJ wins, we'll be begging him to stay in four years time.

You have let your tribalistic and ethnic sentiments completely erode your sense of reasoning. i couldn't believe my eyes when i read that quote. I know you will eat your words soon enough.

buzugee:
bruv stop deceiving everybody with ya lies. the only reason you can get free edumacation is because you laid down ya life for america. abi you think say i done forget say you be semper fi ? usa army ? abi na marines ? not sure but i know say you follow go basra go pistol whip some arabs

Have you ever heard of FAFSA? it is a programme that is there for everyone who wants to go to college. it is federaly funded such that your tuition and books are paid for by the government. if you desire to graduate quickly and take more classes per semester than the fafsa programme can cover, the government will loan you money which you start to repay 6 months after you graduate at a low interest rate. The point is the opportunities are there to excel. Can you say the same for Nigeria? I hope i have educated you. ignorance is a disease that only you can cure.

Bad belle people. It always amazes me that people who want something but cant have it always wish those who do bad tidings or hope for the worst for them. I love and miss Nigeria big time but nothing will make me settle back there anytime soon. I have to be demented to do that with all the crap going on right there at the moment. The economy is not as robost as it used to be right? so what do you do about it? do you fold your arms and cry over it? Never!!! one thing you'all dont realize is that america is truly the land of opportunities. for instance since i have realized that the recession affects only a certain part or the economy e.g those without adequate education or those that are educated but are educated in sectors that are irrelevant in present day and also that healthcare and technology is and has been projected to rise in the future i have gone back to college to get another degree in a different field: mobile application development; and my wife has just completed her LPN certification in order to stay relevant and all on the bill of the government. One penny will not come out for pocket. Tell me, will the Nigerian govt provide this avenues to me in order for me to suceed? You and i know that this is a negative. so why would i want to go to a place where politicaly, socialy and economicaly i will be limited?

ndu1988:
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvote gooooooodluck come April 16 2011 for continuity.

I agree. . . . .Let's continue the decay. Yeah vote GEJ to continue the ROT.

as much as Reetardeen disgusts me, i cannot take those pictures as evidence. This is typical of Nigeria and Nigerians. Since everything is in decay and our judicial system does not function we are left with insinuations and accusations with nothing to back it up with. God punish GEJ and PDP for what they have turned this country into.