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Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 6:10pm On Oct 11, 2019

Maximus69:
It's simple Sir!

God has many spirit beings as sons! Genesis 6:1, Job 1:6

According to the illustration the vineyard's owner is God, the caretakers are the Jewish religious leaders who were given the responsibility to take care of God's vineyard {pure worship depicted by the Temple} his first born son (Jesus) is to inherit all his father's properties and care for all other children with love.

The caretakers have mistreated the vineyards and made it unproductive ~ meaning they have profaned God's temple by turning the place into their personal business unit! Matthew 12:12, Mark 11:15, John 2:15

With these action of Jesus these people realized that Jesus is that promised heir to David's throne whose rulership will last forever! Isaiah 9:7

So they conspired to get him killed { John 11:47-53} they thought God had no choice than to send another person (who will condone all their activities) as the Christ but they don't want Jesus, As Abraham's descendants they thought they can set standards for God! John 8:33

All these boils down to the same point. Jesus (Michael as a spirit being) took it upon himself to come as a human to redeem mankind from sin { Daniel 12:1} since no human is qualified to do so {Psalms 49:7-9} as descendants of Adam, we've all inherited sin! Romans 5:12

That's why all those demons feared him { Luke 4: 34} because they all knew his position back in heaven! Jude 9
Even the scriptures made it clear that Jesus will come with the voice of an archangel {1Thessalonians 4:16}

Please why must he come with the voice of an archangel? Why not the voice of something more ponderous if he's not the same Michael (the archangel)?

At Revelation 12:7 there John {a born again Christian who now have a special relationship with God} saw that the great prince who leads the heavenly host against Satan and his demons is none other than this same Michael! John even said Michael and his angels,

Please was Michael (the archangel) not an angel? Did the scriptures call any one else archangel apart from Michael? How come he now have his own angels?

So he is an angel but unlike all other heavenly creatures he is the first born son of God as in the one and only creature God made directly when he was alone!

God bless you!

The word Angel means a messenger.
And was Jesus a messenger of God yes because he was sent by his father to demonstrate the love of the father to humanity.

Secondly the name Michael means "the one who is like God"

and of Cos Jesus is like God becos he inherited God's nature and image.
Can any Angel claim such nature or authority?

Ironically Your points even proof that Jesus is the literal son of God rather than an Angel.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 6:05pm On Oct 11, 2019

Maximus69:
The import of that scripture is that there is no angel God presented to humans as his son! This means no angel is qualified to teach humans how to worship God, so all those worshiping in line with the instructions from angelic beings are doomed!

Jesus was presented to us as God's son, this means whatever we want to do regarding sacred services must never go contrary to what Jesus instruct us to do! Matthew 17:5

That's why anyone who feels that it's OK to worship in any other way NOT commanded by Jesus (the one and only person God presented as his son) will be condemned!

But as for angels, the scriptures made it clear that they're all God's sons. Genesis 6:1, Job 1:6
He didn't introduce or present any of them to us because we have no business with them right from the beginning, had it been our first parents were obedient to God.
We wouldn't have needed Jesus to come here in the first place talkless any other angels! Note that the first time angels appeared was after the event in Eden, otherwise there is no reason for us to see, talk or deal with angels. Their permanent home is heaven where spirit dwells while our own permanent home is earth where flesh dwells! Psalms 115:16

New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
New Living Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was
with God, and the Word was God.
English Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
Berean Study Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
Berean Literal Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
New American Standard Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
New King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
King James Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
Christian Standard Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
Contemporary English Version
In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The
Word was with God and was truly God.
Good News Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was
with God, and the Word was God.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
International Standard Version
In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
NET Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was fully God.
New Heart English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
In the origin The Word had been existing and That Word
had been existing with God and That Word was himself
God.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was
with God, and the Word was God.
New American Standard 1977
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
Jubilee Bible 2000
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the
God, and the Word was God.
King James 2000 Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
American King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
American Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
Douay-Rheims Bible
IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
Darby Bible Translation
In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
English Revised Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
Webster's Bible Translation
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
Weymouth New Testament
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
World English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.
Young's Literal Translation
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God;

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 6:03pm On Oct 11, 2019

Maximus69:
The import of that scripture is that there is no angel God presented to humans as his son! This means no angel is qualified to teach humans how to worship God, so all those worshiping in line with the instructions from angelic beings are doomed!

Jesus was presented to us as God's son, this means whatever we want to do regarding sacred services must never go contrary to what Jesus instruct us to do! Matthew 17:5

That's why anyone who feels that it's OK to worship in any other way NOT commanded by Jesus (the one and only person God presented as his son) will be condemned!

But as for angels, the scriptures made it clear that they're all God's sons. Genesis 6:1, Job 1:6
He didn't introduce or present any of them to us because we have no business with them right from the beginning, had it been our first parents were obedient to God.
We wouldn't have needed Jesus to come here in the first place talkless any other angels! Note that the first time angels appeared was after the event in Eden, otherwise there is no reason for us to see, talk or deal with angels. Their permanent home is heaven where spirit dwells while our own permanent home is earth where flesh dwells! Psalms 115:16

You are explaining what you like and not what the Bible teaches, I think it is best to stick to God's word.

The rule to understand the word of God is to follow it according to prophet Isaiah's instructions.

Isaiah 28:9-10 New King James Version (NKJV)
“Whom will he teach knowledge?
9And whom will he make to understand the
message?
Those just weaned from milk?
Those just drawn from the breasts?
For precept must be upon precept, precept
upon precept,
10 Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little.”

You cannot interpret God's word the way you like of feel it is a very big offense against God.

In your explanation you left out the fact that Jesus was the son of God and was God by nature inherited from his father even before he was presented to the World.

John 1 King James Version (KJV)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
with God, and the Word was God.The same was in the beginning with God.

You see that your explanation cannot hold water.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 1:22am On Oct 11, 2019

Maximus69:
All intelligent creatures {angels or humans} are God's sons by virtue of his likeness! Genesis 1:26-27

The title son of God simply connotes authenticity as in someone born in our midst but who is not from this source! Isaiah 9:6 compared to John 8:23

It means he when we read what's recorded at Genesis 1:26, this person is much more of the likeness of God unlike we who are products of procreation!

The religious leaders of Jesus' days knew what this meant, that's why they started criticizing all his teachings! Matthew 12:24
They know that if truly Jesus is what he claims to be, then they must submit themselves to his teachings! John 11:48

Satan is the one behind all those rival groups who suddenly formed alliance against Jesus, that's what Satan is also doing today with all these rival religious groups against Jehovah's Witnesses!

Note that they're not united in their doctrines but against Jehovah's Witnesses, they'll spitefully hide their differences to agree as if they're one!

used this parable to demonstrate his relationship with God and how men will killing him inorder to posses the (vineyard)Earth.

Luke 20:9 Then began he to speak to the people this parable; A certain man planted a vineyard, and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time. 20:10 And at the season he sent a servant to the husbandmen, that they should give him of the fruit of the vineyard: but the husbandmen beat him, and sent him away empty. 20:11 And again he sent another servant: and they beat him also, and entreated him shamefully, and sent him away empty. 20:12 And again he sent a third: and they wounded him also, and cast him out. 20:13 Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him. 20:14 But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours. 20:15 So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them? 20:16 He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid. 20:17 And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? 20:18 Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

As we can see from the parable Jesus was describing the kingdom of God and himself.
As The man sent his beloved son, so also God sent his beloved Son into the World.
The workers conspired and killed the Son so also the people conspired and killed Jesus

There is nothing in this parable that implies that the son was adopted or was only son by title.
Rather the Bible hints that the son was the inheritor of the man's vineyard.
Jesus is the heir to God's throne not by adoption but by inheritance.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 1:20am On Oct 11, 2019

Maximus69:
All intelligent creatures {angels or humans} are God's sons by virtue of his likeness! Genesis 1:26-27

The title son of God simply connotes authenticity as in someone born in our midst but who is not from this source! Isaiah 9:6 compared to John 8:23

It means he when we read what's recorded at Genesis 1:26, this person is much more of the likeness of God unlike we who are products of procreation!

The religious leaders of Jesus' days knew what this meant, that's why they started criticizing all his teachings! Matthew 12:24
They know that if truly Jesus is what he claims to be, then they must submit themselves to his teachings! John 11:48

Satan is the one behind all those rival groups who suddenly formed alliance against Jesus, that's what Satan is also doing today with all these rival religious groups against Jehovah's Witnesses!

Note that they're not united in their doctrines but against Jehovah's Witnesses, they'll spitefully hide their differences to agree as if they're one!

If Jesus was an Angel then this Bible verse contradicts itself.
Becos this Bible verse hints that none of the Angels was selected or qualified to be called the Son of God but he that God beget.

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

As we can see from that Bible verse at no time did God ever call any Angel his Son neither did any call him his father.
Of cos we know that Angels and Man are called the sons of God.
This means that Hebrews 1:5 is taking about literal Father son relationship which only Jesus has with God. No wonder the Bible says Jesus was BEGOTTEN by or CAME OUT from God, and the Bible want on to tell us that he was the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of God.
While God has billions of Sons consisting of both Angels, Man, cherubim and seraphims only Jesus is the Son that was BEGOTTEN by God hence he has God's nature, substance and attributes that is while he is reffered to as the express image of God.

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the
express image of his person, and upholding all things by the
word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins,
sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 1:17am On Oct 11, 2019

Maximus69:
All intelligent creatures {angels or humans} are God's sons by virtue of his likeness! Genesis 1:26-27

The title son of God simply connotes authenticity as in someone born in our midst but who is not from this source! Isaiah 9:6 compared to John 8:23

It means he when we read what's recorded at Genesis 1:26, this person is much more of the likeness of God unlike we who are products of procreation!

The religious leaders of Jesus' days knew what this meant, that's why they started criticizing all his teachings! Matthew 12:24
They know that if truly Jesus is what he claims to be, then they must submit themselves to his teachings! John 11:48

Satan is the one behind all those rival groups who suddenly formed alliance against Jesus, that's what Satan is also doing today with all these rival religious groups against Jehovah's Witnesses!

Note that they're not united in their doctrines but against Jehovah's Witnesses, they'll spitefully hide their differences to agree as if they're one!

Questioning the sonship of Jesus is like making God a liar
For when we deny that Jesus is the literal son of God then we deny or doubt the love of God torwards us.

For God loved us so much that he gave not an Angel or adopted son but his only BEGOTTEN Son born by him to die for humanity.

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the LOVE of God toward us, because that God sent his ONLY BEGOTTON SON into the world, that we might live through him.

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 1:14am On Oct 11, 2019

Maximus69:
Only begotten son simply means the one and only angel God created DIRECTLY without involving any coworker!

This verse below tells us plainly that Jesus was born by God.

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is BORN of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Jesus also tells us that he came out from the FATHER

John 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I CAME OUT from God.

John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I CAME OUT from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

We have clear word of Christ on his birth and origin.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 1:09am On Oct 11, 2019

Maximus69:
All intelligent creatures {angels or humans} are God's sons by virtue of his likeness! Genesis 1:26-27

The title son of God simply connotes authenticity as in someone born in our midst but who is not from this source! Isaiah 9:6 compared to John 8:23

It means he when we read what's recorded at Genesis 1:26, this person is much more of the likeness of God unlike we who are products of procreation!

The religious leaders of Jesus' days knew what this meant, that's why they started criticizing all his teachings! Matthew 12:24
They know that if truly Jesus is what he claims to be, then they must submit themselves to his teachings! John 11:48

Satan is the one behind all those rival groups who suddenly formed alliance against Jesus, that's what Satan is also doing today with all these rival religious groups against Jehovah's Witnesses!

Note that they're not united in their doctrines but against Jehovah's Witnesses, they'll spitefully hide their differences to agree as if they're one!

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Hebrews 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Facts to note.

* Jesus was BEGOTTEN by God
* His sonship was by Inheritance.
* His name which is more excellent than those of Angels and that name is God.
*In verse 4 of Hebrews 1 we can see that Jesus is not an Angel becos he was made(BEGOTTEN) higher than Angels.

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 1:06am On Oct 11, 2019

Maximus69:
All intelligent creatures {angels or humans} are God's sons by virtue of his likeness! Genesis 1:26-27

The title son of God simply connotes authenticity as in someone born in our midst but who is not from this source! Isaiah 9:6 compared to John 8:23

It means he when we read what's recorded at Genesis 1:26, this person is much more of the likeness of God unlike we who are products of procreation!

The religious leaders of Jesus' days knew what this meant, that's why they started criticizing all his teachings! Matthew 12:24
They know that if truly Jesus is what he claims to be, then they must submit themselves to his teachings! John 11:48

Satan is the one behind all those rival groups who suddenly formed alliance against Jesus, that's what Satan is also doing today with all these rival religious groups against Jehovah's Witnesses!

Note that they're not united in their doctrines but against Jehovah's Witnesses, they'll spitefully hide their differences to agree as if they're one!

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

As we can see that Jesus(word) was with God at the beginning of time(creation of the World).
And Jesus who is also called the word was also called God.

This verse proves that Jesus is not an Angel or was he created an Angel but rather he is the Son of God begotten by God and hence he is also God by nature and not an Angel.

Other Bible verses to consider.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. John 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 1:05am On Oct 11, 2019

Maximus69:
The name Jesus was given to this mighty spirit son of God when he became human to put on the form of a lower creature than that of angels! Hebrew 2:9

But according to Jesus' own teachings, God exalted him above all other heavenly creatures for his humility! Philippians 2:7-11 compared to Luke 14:8-11

How can God call or name Jesus God, if Jesus was an Angel(a created being)?
Note it was Satan's desire to be God that lead to the war in Heaven and now on Earth, so how would God the Father allow an Angel to share the glory which he did not want to give or share with Satan?

Inorder words will God deny Satan from receiving worship only for him to give it to another Angel(Jesus).

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 1:03am On Oct 11, 2019

Maximus69:
The name Jesus was given to this mighty spirit son of God when he became human to put on the form of a lower creature than that of angels! Hebrew 2:9

But according to Jesus' own teachings, God exalted him above all other heavenly creatures for his humility! Philippians 2:7-11 compared to Luke 14:8-11

This verse proves beyond doubt that Jesus is not an angel but the son of God.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 2:6 Who, being in the FORM of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

It says that Jesus was in FORM of God that is he has the nature, substance and image of God.
Only one born by God call have attributes of God.
No angel has the FORM of God.

2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 12:59am On Oct 11, 2019

Maximus69:
Only begotten son simply means the one and only angel God created DIRECTLY without involving any coworker!

Abraham and Isaac were a typology of God and his Son Jesus Christ
Just as Abraham was willing to sacrifice his only BEGOTTEN Son Isaac, to God.

So also God was willing and gave his only BEGOTTEN Son to die for humanity.
Both were Begotten by their respective parents.

Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 12:57am On Oct 11, 2019

Maximus69:
Only begotten son simply means the one and only angel God created DIRECTLY without involving any coworker!

Sorry but begotten means to procreate, you are trying to change God's word to suit your church beliefs rather than change your church beliefs to suit or confirm to God's word.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/beget
beget verb
be·get | \ bi-ˈget , bē-\
begot \ bi-ˈgät , bē- \ also begat \ bi-ˈgat , bē-\ ;
begotten \ bi-ˈgä-tᵊn , bē-\ or begot ; begetting
Definition of beget
: to procreate as the father : SIRE
// He died without begetting an heir.
1
: to produce especially as an effect or outgrowth
// Violence only begets more violence.

Genesis 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. Genesis 48:6 And thy issue, which thou begettest after them, shall be thine, and shall be called after the name of their brethren in their inheritance. Deuteronomy 4:25 When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of the LORD thy God, to provoke him to anger: Deuteronomy 28:41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity. 2 Kings 20:18 And of thy sons that shall issue from thee, which thou shalt beget, shall they take away; and they shall be eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 8:08pm On Oct 08, 2019

Maximus69:
God gave his only begotten son, means God gave something he had which is a son. But this time his only begotten.

You only need to understand the meaning of only begotten. After all we agreed on the meaning of son, and it's clear God has lots of sons {angels}. Genesis 6:1, Job 1:6

The Bible also called angels morning stars and sons of God {Job 38:7} and Jesus referred to himself as the bright morning star! Revelations 22:16

Perhaps he is not one of those morning stars!

Don't contradict yourself, you need to allow the Bible to explain it self.

Since Angels are sons of God as you said, why is Jesus called only BEGOTTEN Son? considering the fact that there are uncountable numbers of Angels.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 8:03pm On Oct 08, 2019

Maximus69:
Where you're getting it all mixed up is saying God has no other spirit sons apart from Jesus!

Jesus is God's son like other angels.

Confessing it means accepting all that Jesus taught people in thoughts, words and actions as the only kind of teaching that can make God wipe away all our sins!

Jesus died for all sinners, but the only set of sinners who will benefit from that sacrifice are those who fully accepts Jesus' teachings as the ultimate.

For instance most religionists thought they're Christians, yet they teach people what Jesus never taught. Of course if you ask them who is Jesus?, most of them will say he is God or he is God's only begotten son. But ask them Jesus' final decision on matters like singleness, marriage, polygamy, vengeance, curses, alcoholic beverages, prayer, fasting, politics, materialism, me first attitude and so on, then you'll hear them relating the ideas of someone called Pastor!

So they don't grasp the concept {accepting Jesus as God's only begotten son}

Let me give you few examples.

Most people will start making noise in the streets in the name of preaching. Whereas they ought to bow to Jesus' method Matthew 12:19

They can stand praying in the public for observers to start calling them prayer warrior! Matthew 6:5-6

They can repeat the same words in their prayers as if God is counting how many times they're saying it! Matthew 6:7

They condemn anyone they noticed with alcoholic beverages! Luke 7:31-35

They curse their adversaries incessantly! Matthew 5:44

They grab political appointments! John 6:15

They highly cherish material possessions! Matthew 6:24-34

They take it as a curse if someone is not married or couples that have remained childless! Matthew 19:10-12

But when you ask them "who is Jesus?"

They'll start eulogizing him with all manner of mouth praise! Mark 7:6-7

So take your time to know the meaning when God's word says (confess Jesus as God's only begotten son) or (sanctifying him as Lord in your heart!). 1Peter 3:15

God bless you!

I want you to tell me in your own words what makes Jesus better or higher than (other, as you assume)Angels

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 8:00pm On Oct 08, 2019

Maximus69:
It's not complete without adding the word only.

God's only begotten connotes the one and only son God had when he was all alone by himself! Proverbs 8:22

All other sons of God be it humans or spirits came through the handiwork of God's firstborn son! Colossians 1:15-16

But that doesn't mean the first creature himself is not an angel, he's just the first that's all!

Adam was called God's son {Luke 3:38} because he is the first human son of God who came to being through procreation work which Jesus did! Proverbs 8:30-31

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Let me get you, your argument is that Jesus is an Angel conferred with the title son of God and not the son of God by act of procreation?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 2:59pm On Oct 08, 2019

Maximus69:
God gave his only begotten son, means God gave something he had which is a son. But this time his only begotten.

You only need to understand the meaning of only begotten. After all we agreed on the meaning of son, and it's clear God has lots of sons {angels}. Genesis 6:1, Job 1:6

The Bible also called angels morning stars and sons of God {Job 38:7} and Jesus referred to himself as the bright morning star! Revelations 22:16

Perhaps he is not one of those morning stars!

In your own words what does Begotten mean?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 1:16pm On Oct 08, 2019

Maximus69:
@bolded means the one and only creature DIRECTLY made by God, when all other things were created through the instruction of God as given to Jesus who is acting on the instruction from his God and Father! Colossians 1:15-16

So God never gave birth to anyone the way women deliver babies, he created some while those created are completing his work as his coworkers.

For instance, when God created Adam and Eve there was nothing like telephone, television, Radio, internet, plane, rocket, spaceship, cars, skyscrapers and so on. But today we have all of this because MAN {God's likeness in the flesh} have learnt so much by closely watching the works of God to CREATE all these new things!

So if Moses is resurrected today, he wouldn't give the glory of all these to humans but to God who imparted the ability to create all these in man's heart!

Jesus was created first, that's why he is called the only begotten son of God whereas all of us are God's children too. The only difference is God created Jesus directly whereas the rest of us exist through the power God implanted in Jesus to create us!

So all the glory and honour must returns to God who is all in all! 1Corinthians 15:27-28

Thanks!

Your idealogy that Jesus is an Angel of God who God annoited as his son is untrue and cannot be proven in the Bible.
Here God is laying emphasis on the fact that Jesus is his literal Son.

If you do not confess Jesus is the Son of
God then you are separated from God.
“Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is
the Son of God , God dwelleth in him, and
he in God. ” 1 John 4:15 . And again,
“Who is he that overcometh the world,
but he that believeth that Jesus is the
Son of God? ” 1 John 5:5
And if you deny Jesus is the Son of God
and that God gave His literal Son then
you make God a liar and you do not
have eternal life. “ He that believeth on
the Son of God has the witness in
himself: he that believeth not God has
made him a liar; because he believeth not
the record that God gave of his Son. And
this is the record, that God has given to
us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
He that has the Son has life; and he that
has not the Son of God has not life. ” 1
John 5:10-12
“But these are written, that you might
believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son
of God; and that believing you might have
life through his name . ” John 20:31

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 12:23pm On Oct 08, 2019

solite3:
Good we are getting somewhere you are right that Jesus is not an angel.
As a Son he is God just like the Son of man is also man.
He is the begotten Son because unlike the angels he is God.

Nothing stops John from telling us that God gave himself.

John concludes
by writing, “Many other signs therefore
Jesus also performed … but these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. ” John 20:30-31
John did not write “that you may believe that Jesus was God. ” If that were so, it would have been far greater for John to
proclaim that Jesus is God rather than that He is the Son of God.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 12:17pm On Oct 08, 2019

Maximus69:
There is just one difference between Jesus and all other angels. He is the firstborn {Colossians 1:15} certainly there must be second, third, fourth and others born after Jesus.
Do you think the scripture here is talking about Mary's children by calling Jesus the firstborn of all creation?

My friend they are angels! Just as Adam was the firstborn son of God in the flesh {Luke 3:38},Jesus was the firstborn son of God in the spirit. That's why Apostle Paul called Jesus the last Adam because both of them were firstborn sons of God in different settings! 1Corinthians 15:45

So when God asked the angels who will take up the task to come down, live amongst humans and redeem humans from Adamic sin {Isaiah 6:8-10}, don't think Isaiah was talking about himself in that scripture, Jesus told us that it's about him! John 12:41 compared to Matthew 13:14-15

For your information, Jesus agreed to come down, face all the troubles from the ruler of this world Satan the devil {John 14:30} and redeem mankind because of all the creatures God used Jesus to procreate, humans interests Jesus most! Proverbs 8:31

If God gave an Angel to redeem man than John 3:16 becomes invalid.
That calls into question God's love for his creations.
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only
Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have
eternal life.

But God gave his only begotten Son, there is a reason for the emphasis that God loved the World so much that he gave his only BEGOTTEN SON and not an Angel conferred with the title of a son.

Romans 8:32
He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us
all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 12:10pm On Oct 08, 2019

solite3:
Good we are getting somewhere you are right that Jesus is not an angel. As a Son he is God just like the Son of man is also man. He is the begotten Son because unlike the angels he is God.

Joker.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 12:09pm On Oct 08, 2019

solite3:
Jesus is not the Son of God by birth
Are you insinuating God gave birth?
God can not be created, part of characteristics of God's nature is that he is eternal meaning he has always existed and he will always exist.
Jesus is God hence has that quality.

That's not true.
You cannot interpret God's word the way you like it.
begotten adjective
Definition of begotten (Entry 2 of 2)
: brought into existence by or as if by a parent
// "He didn't send his only begotten son through a
whirlwind …"
If God can create plants and Amoeba that can reproduce by
Asexual reproduction meaning that they don't need any
partner inorder to bear their kind than why will it be
impossible for God to beget his kind or is their anything
difficult for God to do?
All through the Bible the word begot implies Father or parent
procreating a child.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 12:08pm On Oct 08, 2019

Maximus69:
@bolded means the one and only creature DIRECTLY made by God, when all other things were created through the instruction of God as given to Jesus who is acting on the instruction from his God and Father! Colossians 1:15-16

So God never gave birth to anyone the way women deliver babies, he created some while those created are completing his work as his coworkers.

For instance, when God created Adam and Eve there was nothing like telephone, television, Radio, internet, plane, rocket, spaceship, cars, skyscrapers and so on. But today we have all of this because MAN {God's likeness in the flesh} have learnt so much by closely watching the works of God to CREATE all these new things!

So if Moses is resurrected today, he wouldn't give the glory of all these to humans but to God who imparted the ability to create all these in man's heart!

Jesus was created first, that's why he is called the only begotten son of God whereas all of us are God's children too. The only difference is God created Jesus directly whereas the rest of us exist through the power God implanted in Jesus to create us!

So all the glory and honour must returns to God who is all in all! 1Corinthians 15:27-28

Thanks!

That's not true.

You cannot interpret God's word the way you like it.

begotten adjective
Definition of begotten (Entry 2 of 2)
: brought into existence by or as if by a parent
// "He didn't send his only begotten son through a
whirlwind …"

If God can create plants and Amoeba that can reproduce by Asexual reproduction meaning that they don't need any partner inorder to bear their kind than why will it be impossible for God to beget his kind or is their anything difficult for God to do?

All through the Bible the word begot implies Father or parent procreating a child.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 8:17pm On Oct 03, 2019

Maximus69:
There is just one difference between Jesus and all other angels. He is the firstborn {Colossians 1:15} certainly there must be second, third, fourth and others born after Jesus.
Do you think the scripture here is talking about Mary's children by calling Jesus the firstborn of all creation?

My friend they are angels! Just as Adam was the firstborn son of God in the flesh {Luke 3:38},Jesus was the firstborn son of God in the spirit. That's why Apostle Paul called Jesus the last Adam because both of them were firstborn sons of God in different settings! 1Corinthians 15:45

So when God asked the angels who will take up the task to come down, live amongst humans and redeem humans from Adamic sin {Isaiah 6:8-10}, don't think Isaiah was talking about himself in that scripture, Jesus told us that it's about him! John 12:41 compared to Matthew 13:14-15

For your information, Jesus agreed to come down, face all the troubles from the ruler of this world Satan the devil {John 14:30} and redeem mankind because of all the creatures God used Jesus to procreate, humans interests Jesus most! Proverbs 8:31

Jesus was born by God he has God's very nature and substance, he is Son of God by birth.
But Angels are sons of God by creation.

Remember that Angels cannot receive worship or praise but Jesus did.

Secondly Jesus shared glory and honor with his father before the World began this was a very long time before he was sent into the World.

The relationship of Jesus to God is very important to our salvation that it is repeatedly emphasized in the Bible that God gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.

The words there Only ,Begotten , Son, cannot be wished away they mean every single letter of what they stand for.

www.trinitytruth.org/

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 8:10pm On Oct 03, 2019

Maximus69:
There is just one difference between Jesus and all other angels. He is the firstborn {Colossians 1:15} certainly there must be second, third, fourth and others born after Jesus.
Do you think the scripture here is talking about Mary's children by calling Jesus the firstborn of all creation?

My friend they are angels! Just as Adam was the firstborn son of God in the flesh {Luke 3:38},Jesus was the firstborn son of God in the spirit. That's why Apostle Paul called Jesus the last Adam because both of them were firstborn sons of God in different settings! 1Corinthians 15:45

So when God asked the angels who will take up the task to come down, live amongst humans and redeem humans from Adamic sin {Isaiah 6:8-10}, don't think Isaiah was talking about himself in that scripture, Jesus told us that it's about him! John 12:41 compared to Matthew 13:14-15

For your information, Jesus agreed to come down, face all the troubles from the ruler of this world Satan the devil {John 14:30} and redeem mankind because of all the creatures God used Jesus to procreate, humans interests Jesus most! Proverbs 8:31

You still ignore the fact that the Bible said Jesus was begotten by God.
John 3:16 New International Version (NIV)
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only
Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have
eternal life.

As you can see from that verse that Jesus was the son of God before he was sent to the World to die.

No angel was qualified to pay for the ransom for man's except the Son if God.

Revelation 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. 4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
Revelation 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 1:27pm On Oct 03, 2019

Maximus69:
Only God existed from everlasting, everything /everyone else came through creation!

God is the only person that differs from all other heavenly creatures. Apart from God, every other spirit being in heaven are angels!

God first created one angel and this was the one referred to as the archangel, this firstborn creature joined his father in creating all other things, his name according to the Bible is Michael, he is the same person God sent as Jesus!

God never called angels his son because they've always being his sons, they're spirits like him so it's pointless saying "they're my sons when you can't see them"! Genesis 6:1, Job 1:6

When Michael was transformed into an embryo to grow up amongst humans, God had to declared from heaven that this one is his son because people can see him living amongst them like any other descendant of Adam who had inherited sin!

So God spoke from heaven concerning Jesus so that John the baptist can know that his duty as the one to prepare the way for God's anointed one has been accompanied when the Christ arrived!

To illustrate this, consider where you're living with your wife, inside your mansion, any child found in the same abode "in your likeness" no doubt is your child. God is a spirit being and angels as well are spirit beings!

You only need to tell people if such a child is found elsewhere, perhaps in the midst of strangers. It's then you need to single out your own son and say "this is my son"! Matthew 3:17, Luke 9:35

Well that's exactly what God did in the case of Michael {Jesus} after transforming him into human to be born, bread and grow up amongst sinners!

Jesus is more than an Angel he is the Son of God by birth.

Angels don't bear God's nature and divinity but Jesus bears it, this is because he was born by God.
John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

Remember Jesus is an Express image of his father no angel has that capacity.

The Bible says Jesus,
Colossians 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
He is the Son of God by Inheritance, that is it is his birthright.

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
No angel can be as righteous as God himself the only being that was qualified to die for our sins was Jesus because been the child of God he had the nature of God which cannot sin.

Job 4:18
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he
charged with folly:

In summary JESUS was the son of God even before the world was made and before he came into this World.

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Friend Hates God. Don't Know What To Do. Advice by blueAgent(m): 1:12pm On Oct 03, 2019

LeMoor:
It is always amazing how quick people are to tear down others who have questions. And follow it with subtle threats of Hell Fire, despite the fact that even they do not have answers to the questions asked.

The poster asked why God created the devil, with the Omnipotent knowledge that the devil was going to rise up and challenge him and attempt to turn his creatures (humans) to hell (a word whose entymology predates christianity and comes from Hades, the greek god of the underworld). Assuming this account was true ( I am not saying it is, neither am I saying it is not), but does that make God an egotist? who lacked any worthy challenges, and relishes defeating the devil?

Back to the other questions, Someone also said the poster should hand his friend a bible. The bible isnt without its own holes (and please spare me the 'old backdoor excuse' that I should accept everything by blind faith).

The greatest evils ever known to man, have been perpetrated using religion (take your pick, the crusades, the jihad, slave trade (arabic and european), because religion ascribes superiority over adherrents of any other religion. I know most religious people will claim they are humble, but yet will 'pity' anyone who doesnt follwo their one true God.

Now lets go back to the bible that has been touted as the TRUTh. The bible is a historical account of a specific people (in this case the Jews?), to the exclusion and later inclusion of other people that also existed. There are a couple of literatures that predate the bible and have correlating stories.

If we arent allowed to question the accounts we have been given, so are we saying we accept God isnt perfect? and that his word actually changeth? How do I reconcile my scientific knowledge that proves that in-breeding within families will lead to children with weaker immune systems, yet absorb the fact that God allowed incest when he only 'created' two beings.

if there were only 4poeple on earth when cain killed his brother and attempted to run from God. Who was he scared off when he asked God, 'what if the 'others' find him? And who was God protecting him from when he put a mark on him and proclaimed that "ANYONE that found cain' should not harm him. Bear in mind that Adam only went back to 'know' his wife after this accounts and bore seth. yet Esau went east and managed to raise a whole family unto himself. (Note, I am not questioning God, I am questioning the accounts that have been handed to me). Why give me a brain if I am not supposed to apply it to question things that dont add up? I personall dont think this is a sin.

I personally dont argue religion, and try not to convince anyone to see things or question them the way I do, cause religious pple cop out and tell me it is all 'by faith', and you couldnt argue with that. But when people have questions, let them be, answer the questions, if you can, and if you cant shut up. But quit with all the condescending, hand the soul on the highway to hell a bible talk. Most people dont even know why they believe what they believe, except that they were born into it and have been indoctrinated with it, yet, they look down on other similar people born and indoctrinated into something different, and pity them because they are not 'saved'.

I will stop for now. But please let the poster be. He has questions in his mind, let him ask,

The greatest conflict to ever occur in the entire Universe is
the conflict of Good &Evil(God & Satan) everyliving that has
ever existed has been a partaker in this conflict .
The question is how did this conflict start and why did God allow this conflict and Human suffering did God create Evil what is God's plan and purpose for the Universe? We will look at this
issues critically with the Bible as our guide.
In the begining God made the Heavens(Universe) and the
entire hosts of Heaven, Gensis1:1 the entire Universe were governed by Divine laws of God (Law of love) which ensured
perfect peace and Harmony in the entire Universe so long as
all created beings acknowledged & observed and loved God's law there was peace it was joy and delight of the Heavenly Host to fufill the purpose of their creator they delighted in reflecting his glory and praising him, that was all God required in return for his gift of freewill to all his
creations for God took no pleasure in forced obedience/
alliagance.
Sin(breaking of God's Divine Laws) originated from One
(Satan/Lucifer) who was next to Jesus in Power,Honour & glory.
Using what we call symbolism God asked Prophet Ezekiel to
prophicse against Satan(King of Tyrus)
Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus and say unto himThus saith the Lord GOD;Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God;
every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz,
and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the
sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the
workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in
thee in the day that thou wast created. 28:14 Thou art the
anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou
wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up
and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 28:15 Thou
wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast
created, till iniquity was found in thee. 28:16 By the
multitude of thy merchandise thou have filled the midst of
thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast
thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will
destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones
of fire. 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy
beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy
brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee
before kings, that they may behold thee. 28:18 Thou hast
defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by
the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire
from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring
thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that
behold thee.
From this Bible verse we can see that Lucifer was one of the
covering Cherub who stood in the presence of God,he was created perfect,beautiful and had great power and Authority but he desired the throne of God his maker, rather than exalt
God he desired his own exaltation, inorder to acheive his
selfish desire Satan accused God before the angels of been
selfish desiring praise from his creations why not willingly to
make any sacrifice for others.
He attacked God's divine laws as been too restrictive and
unattainable, he used decit & lies to challenge God's
authority & Soveriegnity over the Universe pretending to be
fighting for all the Host of the Heaven but he was fighting for
his selfish desire to become like God. Isaiah14:12 How art
thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how
art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the
nations! 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will
ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of
God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in
the sides of the north: 14:14 I will ascend above the heights
of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 14:15 Yet thou
shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 14:16
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and
consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to
tremble, that did shake kingdoms; 14:17 That made the
world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that
opened not the house of his prisoners?
Satan accusation against God's divine law can be also be
found in Job1:6-21 and in Genesis3:1Where he told Eve you shall not die contrary to God's
command to Adam and Eve that they will die if they ate from
the tree of knownledge.
Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall
not surely die: 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat
thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as
gods, knowing good and evil.
Satan also uses false myths like
Darwnism,Evolution,bigbang and all false religeons to blind
people from knowning the truth about God even in christendom Satan's influence can be seen in wrong teachings like the worship of mary,Clergy men,sunday
worship,teachings of immortality of the Soul,an Eternal Hell
fire,fake prophets and pastors,fake miracles e.t.c all this are done to decieve people he promises freedom(irony bondage)
claiming that people will be free if they disregard God's laws. today most drug addicts,sex perverts,money chasers,serial killers,masturbaters and other vices can attest to the fact that they are enslaved or are in bondage to sin.
Legalisation of same-sex
marriage,Feminism,Socialism,communilism,multiculturalism
are part of the Devils agenda to acheive a United world
government with him as the Head in rebellion against God.
From the book of isaiah14:12 we can see that it is the Devil
who weakens the Nations he is responsible for all the
calamity and suffering that has ever befallen Man.
God could have destroyed Satan than, but it could have
caused most Heavenly beings to serve God out of fear rather
than love secondly Satan accusations against God could
have seemed true to other heavenly beings.
God is a god of love,Justice,& truth. Deut.32:3-4
Justice requires a defendant to present fully his case for all
to see and judge hence God allowed Satan to continue to
exist and show his true nature & motive.This rebellion in
Heaven by Satan lead to war and disharmony in Heaven.
In luke10:18 & Rev12:7-9 we are told that the Devil with
1/3angels of Heaven he decieved were cast out of Heaven to Earth.
When God made man, Satan desired to enlist Man to his
side in his rebellion against God this he successed in doing
by convincing Eve &Adam to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and bad,which God forbid them not to touch or eat.
Man lost his Dominion over the Earth Genesis1:26-28 to
Satan as a result of Man's sin Satan became the god of this
world john14:3
Satan's rulership of this world is what we see today in form of
wars,Chaos,famine,corruption,genocide,earthquakes,injustice, poverty as we read before he weakens the Nations.
It was imperative for God to allow all this to happen inorder
to unreval the true nature of Satan and to show the entire
Universe what the Universe will be like when things are done
outside his divinelaws,
Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the
soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the
simple. 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing
the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
like i said before Justice requires that a defendant(Satan)
will fully present his case.
Numbers 14:18 The LORD is LONGSUFFERING and of great
mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression.God only
intervenes to avoid the total destruction of man under
Satan's rule.God was willingly to make the greatest Sacrifice
ever made he gave his Son's life as a ransom for the fallen
world.john3:6. Since divine law prescribes death for its
offenders only the death of Jesus could rescue Humanity.
God has proved to all the Universe his love & just nature he
has proved his selfless nature by giving his Son's life for his
creations & also that his divine laws are immutable and are
there for the benefit of all the inhabitants of the Universe.
In Conclusion
God has allowed all this to happen out of his loving and just
nature so that all his creations can appreciate his gift of
freewill.
God has promised to destory Satan,Sin and all the sufferings
it brings.mal 4:1 & Ezeikel 28:18-19.
He has promised to do everything new.
Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new
earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come
into mind. You can be a partaker of God's divine plan by
accepting Jesus .

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 8:49am On Oct 03, 2019

solite3:
I didn't ignore anything,

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, [b]Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?[/b]And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

at bolded God was speaking to his Son meaning the Son was already present when God said those words , it means the son has always existed.
Again the writer of hebrews asked a question, which angel did God call his Son? Meaning Jesus was not an angel.

No one said Jesus was an Angel, as usual you ignore the this very words of God.

"this day have I begotten thee" does begotten look like someone who is co-eternal?

How come an Co-eternal Jesus gets life from his father ?

John 5:26
For as the Father has life in himself; so has he given to
the Son to have life in himself;

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Mystery Of The Number 666. by blueAgent(op): 5:13pm On Oct 02, 2019

budaatum:
Some say it does blue. Some include all sorts in their definition. In ancient times, the study of numbers and the planets and herbs was considered paganism but we see where its grown to today.

Human understanding just has that way of evolving over time. Our sacred today may be paganism tomorrow as we learn more and put our new wines in old bottles.

From this Bible verses you can see that God knows that paganisms has crept into Christaintity but he is now warning people and Christains to come out of Babylon which is symbolizes Paganism.

Revelation 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 4:57pm On Oct 02, 2019

solite3:
that Jesus is. Co-eternal with God is not a claim but a proven fact.
Micah 5:2
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

There is nothing God created without Jesus meaning he himself wasnt created.

These and more are irrefutable proof that Jesus is co-eternal with God.
Also see

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John did not say "in the beginning God created the word" but rather "in the beginning[of time] the word already existed and was with the father which means the word existed outside time which also implies he is from eternity.
These are proofs which can never be contested.

begotten
be·got·ten | \ bi-ˈgä-tᵊn , bē-\
Definition of begotten (Entry 1 of 2)
// There is no killing the suspicion that deceit has once
begotten.
— George Eliot
// This small, austerely decorated restaurant on the
unfashionable end of Melrose Avenue has begotten a second
establishment …
— Jean T. Barrett
begotten adjective
Definition of begotten (Entry 2 of 2)
: brought into existence by or as if by a parent
// "He didn't send his only begotten son through a whirlwind
…"
— Jesse Jackson
// … she was also a self-absorbed alcoholic with a penchant
for promiscuous infidelity and scant interest in such minor
matters as her only begotten child.
— Deborah Orr
— see also MISBEGOTTEN, ILL-BEGOTTEN

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/begotten

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 4:56pm On Oct 02, 2019

solite3:
that Jesus is. Co-eternal with God is not a claim but a proven fact.
Micah 5:2
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

There is nothing God created without Jesus meaning he himself wasnt created.

These and more are irrefutable proof that Jesus is co-eternal with God.
Also see

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John did not say "in the beginning God created the word" but rather "in the beginning[of time] the word already existed and was with the father which means the word existed outside time which also implies he is from eternity.
These are proofs which can never be contested.

You ignore the fact that the Bible says Jesus was BEGOTTEN by God or came out from God.

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Mystery Of The Number 666. by blueAgent(op): 4:53pm On Oct 02, 2019

budaatum:
You might have noticed, I repeat, that I have been parenthesing 'paganism' all along. That's because it is a sentimental word, one defined by it's users.

Paganism was originally a pejorative and derogatory term for polytheism, implying its inferiority. Paganism has broadly connoted the "religion of the peasantry". During and after the Middle Ages, the term paganism was applied to any unfamiliar religion, and the term presumed a belief in false god(s). Most modern pagan religions existing today (Modern or Neopaganism) express a world view that is pantheistic, polytheistic or animistic; but some are monotheistic.

As you can see, the definition of paganism is so broad that one can be called a pagan by some just by visiting a medical doctor.

Science is simply the use of the senses.

So how does Science equate to Paganism?

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