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solite3:
How does trinity denies that Jesus is ths Son of God?

By claiming that Jesus is co-eternal with the father and is of the same age and has the same authority like the father.

[quote author=Maximus69 post=82770114]Excellent!

God will never admit he feathered evil people {Deuteronomy 32:5}, Jesus purchased obedient mankind as children for himself with his blood that he shed on the torture stake. So the fatherly responsibility of teaching his children {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} was what he took upon himself when he started teaching humble, sincere and honest hearted people. Mark 4:2

All those who reject his teachings will perish because they've rejected the pure teachings from the FATHER before father, who sent his only begotten son as a representative to teach them what they need to know in order that the blessings of everlasting life could reach them! John 3:17-18

Adam failed in this regard that's why Jesus stepped in, otherwise we wouldn't have needed Jesus to come and die for anything if Adam had performed his own duty! Adam sold all of us to sin, but Jesus have paid the price.
Now what each of us need is to accept Jesus as his/her personal Master, Lord and King so that he becomes our saviour to redeem us from damnation, that's all!



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True.

budaatum:
That's what you don't get. Many have called science 'paganism' from very early days, and as we've agreed there's paganism in scripture. That's after all where you get the pagan trinity from.

As to what God might be or not, I do not have an image for you so can't help you there. I can say though that you are in God's image, God's Word even, and that would do me.

What do you define as paganism?

Is Science a myth?

As is usual, those who blab about being "educated" would rather refer you to websites even they dont understand. Its way too difficult to expect them to actually sit down and analyse their position.

We know all about the big slam . . . that was not the question of the thread. The question is quite simple - where did the big slam come from? Nothing?

Just to humor myself . . . i got this off the wikipedia page thehomer links to . . . of course since he has no knowledge of his own . . .

According to the Big Bang model, the universe expanded from an extremely dense and hot state and continues to expand today.

this is a silly claim - where did this "extremely dense and hot state" come from? So is the claim that matter and energy have ALWAYS existed? How did this "dense and hot state" result in the complex organisms we have today? How did it create such a delicately balanced universe that depends on such fine tuned laws of nature with very little room for flexibility?

How then can we claim that net energy in space = 0 if matter had ALWAYS existed in the form of a "dense and hot state"?

Hopefully thehomer isnt going to answer by telling us to "link here". That's all he seems capable of doing despite bleating about "knowledge".

Gbam!!!!!

solite3:
your argument has been defeated.

Do you know that your Salvation depends on you acknowledging that Jesus is the Son of God?
The trinity doctrine denies that Jesus is the literal son of God so they are not saved. not my word but God's word.

If you do not confess Jesus is the Son of
God then you are separated from God.

“Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is
the Son of God , God dwelleth in him, and
he in God. ” 1 John 4:15 . And again,
“Who is he that overcometh the world,
but he that believeth that Jesus is the
Son of God? ” 1 John 5:5

And if you deny Jesus is the Son of God
and that God gave His literal Son then
you make God a liar and you do not
have eternal life. “ He that believeth on
the Son of God has the witness in
himself: he that believeth not God has
made him a liar; because he believeth not
the record that God gave of his Son. And
this is the record, that God has given to
us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
He that has the Son has life; and he that
has not the Son of God has not life. ” 1
John 5:10-12

“But these are written, that you might
believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son
of God; and that believing you might have
life through his name . ” John 20:31.

solite3:
So in other words Jesus is a father also.

Jesus is a father the same way Satan is called father of wicked and evil people, so also Jesus is the father of those who trust in him.

John 8:44-45 King James Version (KJV)
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the
beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is
no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh
of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Secondly every thing owned by God belongs to Jesus by Inheritance that includes the Children of God, that also makes Jesus a father.

John 16:15
All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I,
that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Maximus69:
We are both saying the same thing here Sir, but from different perspective!

Just as Satan{a spirit being} had no children of his own, Jesus{a spirit being} also had no children of his own. It's the same circumstances which made Satan become father to some people that's going to make Jesus become father to some as well. The difference is that Satan rebelled against God's sovereignty, so all those who took after his rebellious acts automatically become his children! John 8:44
On the other hand Jesus is obedient to God always {John 8:28} so all those who took after his footsteps {1Peter 2:21} becomes his children. But while Satan and his own children are heading towards destruction as they've been disconnected from the source of spiritual food { Deuteronomy 8:3,Matthew 4:4} Jesus and his own children will live forever because they remain connected to JEHOVAH (the source of life)! John 17:3

That is why Jesus the great Prince who spent so much trying to make Peace between God and sinful humans will become father to all exercising faith in him forever! Isaiah 9:6

I agree with you.

budaatum:
You mix up far too many things for even you to understand what it is that you argue. You might have noted that I keep putting paganism in parentheses. Its to point out that its meaning is so broad and needs defining. You, for instance might not include scientists in your definition, but I could.

'Paganism', as you call it, has infiltrated all ancient religions, is the point here, and the triangle is a clear example, whether rightly or wrongly. It is afterall a fundamental basis of a triune God which has resulted in the Trinity.

And 'pagans' still use it.
https://www.learnreligions.com/pagan-and-wiccan-symbols-4123036

How is science paganism?

That's were you keep getting it wrong you unable to see the difference between God's word and pagan tales.

God is not a triune.

www.trinitytruth.org/

budaatum:
If you knew what you speak of, you'd know where my siggy comes from.


I do not just accept a thing to be true because someone wrote it in a book. Its why one must read many books to determine the truth, and not just live on bread alone as some do.

I know a thing is real by applying my senses to it to determine. Its why God gave me them and why Jesus made mud and rubbed it in my eyes so that I can use my senses and see.

Then you have a lot more books to read .

SNizar:
Nailed it!! Feminists are bitter, sad, unhappy, potentially violent, and sharp tongued individuals. And yes, no matter what you girls do, we'd always fing a way to come out on top.

I concur.

Sandra8:
You said it already in your previous post dear I have to give dear but don't waste it. Love you

I anticipated that you will not be able to answer me
Let me help you, most feminists are ladies who have been abused or cheated upon by men and they lash out their anger on all men, most assume that feminism would be a solution to the problem, at the end the results do not meet expectations neither will it change who men are.

budaatum:
I have read tons of books for and against and about Freemasons, blue, so I'm not exactly ignorant on the subject, and can confirm that your recommendations are what I called conspiracies. As in statements with very little basis of truth. But that's besides the point.

Paganism was humans first conceptualization of gods, and its ideas exist in all religions with origins in antiquity.

Here's a thread on an ancient religion in Egypt. You might see how it influenced Judaism.

I laugh either you don't read any book on Freemasons or you lack understanding.

Let me ask you how do you know that something is real and not fricition?

budaatum:
They are still facts, blue, whether true or not. Just as the books you mention are facts too.
It's up to the discerning reader to separate the truth from the chaff. One must even do this with Scripture, because 'pagans' have inserted their 'facts' in it too, often to some devastating misunderstandings and consequences.

Here is an exercise in biblical understanding. Do not go believing any of it though.

The scripture does not support the idea that Solomon has a seal.

If the triangle and it's meaning and purpose were divine, pagans would still not be using it.

Sandra8:
Let's assume for a second what you said its true dear, can you change the tide of things? Can you reverse feminism even from nairaland or the world over? No you can't dear .
Note: every movement have good and bad elements. Bad people exploit the movement to breed bad elements. Feminism isnt perfect but is here to stay! Your future daughters are already feminists before they were ever born dear . So take it easy OK boo

What really is feminism fighting for?

budaatum:
And that's your qualification to speak on the subject? Lol.

Imagine if I said "I have friends who are Christians". Can you imagine how knowledgeable I might be about Jesus Christ the Messiah?

Like I said before go and read those books I mentioned by Freemasons then you can have a clear understanding of what is going on.

budaatum:
I think you think one believes, hence you "trying hard to find evidence to support your argument and preconcieved beliefs rather than verify the authenticity of the facts you are advocating", when I am only providing facts for your consideration. Please know buda does not believe!

Below is the Seal of Solomon. You may read up on it to see how far back triangles exist in Judaism.

Where is it written that it is the seal of Solomon other than in books written by pagans and Freemasons.

Those are the things you call facts.

budaatum:
Well, we obviously have here evidence of triangles in Judaism, whether you accept it or not, and what you call paganism is obviously in it and in Christianity, as you yourself have seen and admit.

And honestly, I don't think you know enough about Freemasons apart from the conspiracies you seem to believe. In the end, they sure will enslave the less knowledgeable, and not just because they want to but because the less knowledgeable will always be slaves to those who bother to know more.

It's obvious you don't know what you are advocating for.

Go and read Morals and dogma by Albert Pike and books by Manly Hall then you will get the real picture and not some wishful thinking.

God cannot I repeat associate his word with Paganism.

budaatum:
Well, we obviously have here evidence of triangles in Judaism, whether you accept it or not, and what you call paganism is obviously in it and in Christianity, as you yourself have seen and admit.

And honestly, I don't think you know enough about Freemasons apart from the conspiracies you seem to believe. In the end, they sure will enslave the less knowledgeable, and not just because they want to but because the less knowledgeable will always be slaves to those who bother to know more.

I have friends that are Freemasons.

I declined the offer to become one.

Sandra8:
Without feminism we won't even be having this discussion in the first place dear. Now google search how feminism has improved the lives of women dear, don't be lazy

What feminism has done is to turn women into sluts and baby Mama's

Don't get me wrong am not against women having certain rights and privileges, I love and respect women and I think they deserve to be protected and cared for.

What I don't subscribe to is the feminism movement that advocates for women to be equal with men I all things without considering the biological differences between the both sex.

feminism movement currently is more like a tool, used by those who want to destroy and reengineer the society, rather than be a tool to benefit women it is destorying women and the family unit.

Here is an example .

https://www.nairaland.com/5429662/women-going-topless-public-now

Sandra8:
After all has been said and done, men take pride in telling a woman, "you won't marry like this"- if you support feminism or women's right.
Truth be told that is a last resort by men to bend you to do their bidding against your common sense.
This is a cheap form of bullying, tactics kids employ on each other and not for adults. If you are old enough to date as a man, and you still use this tactics to silence your fellow woman you should be ashamed. Bullying is a crime under United Nations, in fact “Being protected from bullying is a fundamental human right,” said Marta Santos Pais , Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Violence against Children UN. That been said sensible guys will toll accordingly.

Times change and we must change with the times, women's movement, feminism etc will not seize but grow from strength to strength daily, weekly, monthly and yearly. As hard a pill as this is for men to swallow, they must certainly still swallow it. Many men here will eventually marry feminists in one form or the other with time. You can't stop the TIMES, you can only DENY it.

The power dynamics in relationships have long swayed to the females side than to mens side. Some ladies may not yet realize this but it's true.
Men make it look as if it's easy to get into a new relationship or even find a bride these days unlike women. Men spends weeks, months even years wooing their crush to agree to their love proposal. Time is even more valuable than money because once spent cannot be recovered unlike money. Men not only spend time in this pursuit they also spend loads of money(they tag this as investment in hopes it will pay off later on)

Now ladies imagine the dissapointment he must feel when you still turn him down despite all these. It's very painful to fathom.

You must also realize that men see ladies as trophies to be won and displayed to the admiration of others, that is their fellow guys.
Of cause we are more than trophies, we are human beings but just to buttress my point a man who finds a woman he desires that agrees to marry him feels blessed cause many men tried but failed to win you (their treasured trophy).

The point is men are as vulnerable in relationships as women but they never like to highlight that point (but majority of romance post on nairaland will confirm my view) , truth be told even more vulnerable because they do most of the hard work in relationships, women are mostly the beneficiaries of relationship.

Lastly relationship status of either male or female should never be a yard stick to judge or discriminate against anyone. Marriage just like any personal pursuit (higher education etc) in life is a personal matter and everyone should be entitled to their choice.

Cc
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Fountainofyouth
Seun

Is there any proof that Feminism have improved the lives of women?

budaatum:
I really can't stand when people make assertions that have no basis in facts and that they can easily check for themselves because I can't work out if it's done because they do not know or they know but are lying.

The Star of David is two equilateral triangles. I'll leave you to do your own research.

The problem is that you are trying hard to find evidence to support your argument and preconcieved beliefs rather than verify the authenticity of the facts you are advocating.

First King David has no Star, no where in the Bible is it written that David has a star.

Secondly Current Israel is not God's Israel of the Bible, this Israel have be setup by Freemasons inorder to fulfill their goal of building the 3rd temple.

I know that will shock you.


When you know and understand the level of deception the World have been lead to believe, you will know that all your facts and beliefs are just smoke and mirrors.

budaatum:
I really can't stand when people make assertions that have no basis in facts and that they can easily check for themselves because I can't work out if it's done because they do not know or they know but are lying.

The Star of David is two equilateral triangles. I'll leave you to do your own research.

The problem is that you are trying hard to find evidence to support your argument rather than verify the authenticity of the facts you are advocating.

First King David has no Star, no where in the Bible is it written that David has a star.

Secondly Current Israel is not God's Israel of the Bible, this Israel have be setup by Freemasons inorder to fulfill their goal of building the 3rd temple.

I know that will shock you.


When you know and understand the level of deception the World have been lead to believe, you will know that all your facts and beliefs are just smoke and mirrors.

zedman1:
When I was younger, the first photo I saw of a man decapitated in a magazine left me troubled for weeks. These days..... Just imagine the young crowd.

You dey learn work.

infogenius:
Too graphic..
What a horrible, terrible and painful way to die.

Imagine the impact of that stone on that guy's forehead

Do you think armed robbers consider all the (pain and suffering they cause) when they cut short the lives of innocent people?

Maximus69:
No one specifically was called Jesus' son, but the scriptures actually called him the Everlasting Father{Isaiah 9:6} because he is surely going to serve the duty of Adam (our biological father) who brought us all under sin and death. Roman 5:12

Jesus is going to be our father by faith,that means only to those who are willing to learn how to please our heavenly father (JEHOVAH) from Jesus. Matthew 17:5

So that's why the scriptures never mentioned anyone as son of Jesus because biologically and by creation Jesus is no one's father. But since Adam has lost the privilege of serving as a good father who supposed to teach his children God's righteous standards {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} someone PERFECT must replace him! 1Corinthians 15:45

Excellent response.

Janosky:
Solite3 Antichrist in disguise..... Hebrews 1:9, your "God" anointed by whom? Hebrews 1:1-2,5 whose son? The son of Our Father who art in heaven...

I wonder. So they mean that Jesus as God, anointed himself and sent himself on errand.
Trinitarians are really confused.

Mummyfour:
I truly don't support the activities of these one chance people, but is jungle justice really the best. It doesn't speak well of us at all in the international community. Meanwhile people that stand and watch their fellow human beings roast to ashes are really strong hearted o. Kai I raise hand for una. Twale!!! I Can't stand it o.

My only concern is that the right people were the ones burnt and not some innocent people.
I don't pity them neither will I turn a blind eye when a true one chance culprit is been dealt with.

Consider the pains this idiots cause families, just last month an Alt staff lost his live to one chance ritualists, they deserve everything they get and even worst.

solite3:
Trinity is not God occupying three different offices rather God existing in three distinct consciousness.
Personalities does not mean offices but consciousness.
That is the meaning of plurality of persons.
In Genesis God said let us make man in our image, he wasnt speaking to offices but rather one person of the trinity speaking to the other persons of the trinity.

So in other words God was acting as the Son and was pretending to do the will of his other consciousness.
That makes Jesus an expert ventriloquist with multiple personality and consciousness.

solite3:
Trinity is not God occupying three different offices rather God existing in three distinct consciousness.
Personalities does not mean offices but consciousness.
That is the meaning of plurality of persons.
In Genesis God said let us make man in our image, he wasnt speaking to offices but rather one person of the trinity speaking to the other persons of the trinity.

James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded

The same God that frowns at those who are double minded has himself double consciousness hence one been the father and the other been the son that was praying for the cup to pass over him if his other consciousness will allow.

That's a typical example of a pagan god an not the Living God, the Holy one of Israel.

solite3:
Trinity is not God occupying three different offices rather God existing in three distinct consciousness.
Personalities does not mean offices but consciousness.
That is the meaning of plurality of persons.
In Genesis God said let us make man in our image, he wasnt speaking to offices but rather one person of the trinity speaking to the other persons of the trinity.

Your Church confessing about the trinity doctrine.

Our opponents sometimes claim that no belief should be held dogmatically which is not explicitly stated in scripture ... But the Protestant Churches have themselves accepted such dogmas, as the Trinity, for which there is no such precise authority in the Gospels,” — (Assumption of Mary, Life magazine, October 30, 1950, p. 51)

johnw47:
you mean your lying allegations that the pope is my pope
and that his catholic church is my church

sewer mouth false accuser beelzebubAgent of ™Absolutely No Understanding
and habitual lying:

your lying can only be matched by false jw's and others of satans mob:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Those who find the truth hateful just hate hearing the truth.