₦airaland Forum

doublecross:
you have sense. 95% of nigerians want that man out so where is the crowd coming from? i wish the people on nairaland can be half as sensible as you are.

Look at how illiterate your post sounds.

95% my foot!!!

Only illiterates pull out figures from the air. Educated people work with factual figures that are well-referenced.

baliyubla:
Watch how his village in Mubi will become vulnerable again, now that their guardian Angel has been taken out. Buhari is Fulani herdsmen and Fulani herdsmen is Buhari.

Anyone who thinks this was just an assassination, without orders from the very top of Buharis government is mad.

Must it be from the government?

Hope you know that politicians outside the government can sponsor this assassination?

If politicians can sponsor military coups without being elected government officials, why can't they sponsor the assassination of a former general?

Please, your conclusion is terrible and it shows your limited level of knowledge on matters like this.

Assassinations are not always backed by government. Any big man can get rid of a former general. Soldiers are humans after all. They can be bribed to finish off a former boss.

After all, it was a fellow soldier that killed JTU Aguiyi Ironsi. It was a fellow soldier (a lieutenant colonel) that led some other officers to kill General Muritala Mohammed.

Lifestone:
Again I will pick my argument entirely from your proposition,. You have rightly said that Christ is the High Priest, He has removed the need to offer animal sacrifices unto God since he has offered himself as the last sacrifice. Today the Pastors stand in the position to guide mankind unto God through the Lord Jesus Christ which is exactly what the Priest then were doing and God rewarded them with the tithes.
It's an heresy for anyone to claim that tithe are meant only for the have nots or that the payers has discretion to appropriate it the way they want. Vs 28 & 29 of the scripture DF quoted was very clear. Don't let us mislead the gullible.

It is not just the responsibility of the pastor to direct mankind to God.

It is the responsibility of every believer in Christ to be a light to the world. You are not just a Christian for the sake of warming a bench. If you have been a Christian for many years and still think that only pastors are expected to direct mankind to God, then you are no different from the man who was given a talent and went to bury it instead of multiplying it. On judgement day when Christ asks how you went about the Great Commission, you will tell him, "My Lord, I was not a pastor, just a benchwarmer".

As for tithes, I don't have a problem with freewill offering that the New Testament emphasized.

However, I have a problem with enforced tithing. It is fraudulent to scare non-tithers with hell or financial difficulty.

Lifestone:
Go read your Bible Bro, the Levites even though they are one of the tribes in Israel, the tribe was ordained as Priest and no other tribe is permitted to produce Pastors (Priest). In today, Pastors are our Priests and are entitled to collecting tithes

Who was a priest and who is a pastor?

A priest offered sacrifices to God on behalf of the children of Israel. There were places he could enter that no one else could enter. God, was in the real sense, only accessible to him. But through Christ's Sacrifice, God is now accessible to everyone. We no longer need earthly priests. Christ is now the High Priest and it is only through Him that we can have access to God. So, how can you be mocking Christ's Sacrifice on the Cross by saying that pastors are today's priests?

Now, who is a pastor? The appropriate word is shepherd or teacher. His duty is to teach the Word to new converts and bring them up for the work of the ministry that God has entrusted in the hands of every of his children.

However, pastors can be likened to priests. But not just pastors. Every believer is a priest. Not a priest of the Levitical Order who collected and received tithes. We are a new priesthood offering sacrifices to God through the High Priest who is our Lord Jesus Christ.

You can offer sacrifices in many ways such as helping the needy, propagating the gospel, teaching the gospel to new converts and even participating in programs that promote peace in your community.

Frankyboy1:
Mr freeze there re many ills bedevilling our society, leave pastors and tithe alone,

He is addressing one of the ills bedevilling our society.

Tithing scam is one of the ills bedeviling our society. Enforced tithing is a scam. The New Testament emphasized freewill giving and not mandated giving.

It is fraudulent to use scare tactics to collect people's money.

Shugavee:
reason for this thread!! English has nothing to do with intelligence. It’s a misguided misconception that needs to change.. English is not our mother tongue .

Which one is misguided misconception again?

Is there a guided misconception before

ExAngel007:
Can you see it?
https://alexis.lindaikejisblog.com/photos/shares/5c180ed74af27.png

The acronyms are the problem.

What are acronyms like SWAG and RICE, especially, doing on the billboard of a school?

maybachmusic:
Well.my dad graduated in 1979

He read french


He got 5 appointment letters a month after graduation

Nigeria was going fine then till buharis first coming

So just one story (your father's success story) is what you want to use to convince people that Nigeria was still doing fine as at 1979?

Perhaps you don't know that there are people doing very fine under this government as well just as there are people doing badly.

Moreover, Nigeria began to fail long before Buhari's first coming. Many things can be faulted for this and it includes political instability and the civil war that was funded with billions of dollars that could have been put to better use. That is not to mention the amount spent on rehabilitation. The civil war took us many years back when we should have moved far ahead.

As for the Shagari administration which began in 1979, it is administration that is still highly regarded to have been led by a weak and incompetent man (Shagari). The treasury was looted without pity and the administration shares the blame for the recession that Buhari faced in his first coming.

I remember my department during my undergraduate years.

Every lecturer dey claim pastor but dem no dey even spare married women. Even pregnant women.

They know themselves. Randy, old men. Your cups go soon full.

Qualitygod01:
The police man wey pick that call na clown.

Omo see question

More like, "Are they done with the robbery cos next year is around the corner , I can't come and kill myself "

Na real clown

It is like the police were around the corner and waiting for the robbers to escape. They could not even pretend to not be involved. Perhaps, the robbers forgot to call the police that they were done. The police had to make sure by calling the citizen for confirmation.

This is evidently a robbery backed by the police.

Animals in uniform. Disgusting, cowardly bullies.

If it is Boko Haram, you will see them run faster than Usain Bolt.

The same goes for the police. They only know how to flex muscles against harmless civilians. Some months back when they were told to go and combat Fulani herdsmen, they started complaining about lack of weapons. They don't remember lack of weapons when they want to bully civilians.

GXchange:
I had been a christian all my life until I became an atheist 4 years ago. I started gravitating towards atheism when I began to examine the bible objectively, nesting my examination in empirical facts about the world established from reliable scientific fields. I realized that evidence from cosmology, anthropology, history, physics and evolutionary biology, were at odds with the claims of the bible. I also identified the contradictions and inconsistencies within the bible. I realized that there was no way that the claims of the bible could be true given its conspicuous errors and unscientific assertions. Another turning point in my transformation from a christian to an atheist came when I actually studied the origins of Christianity. It became clear to me from my research that a lot of what I thought belonged exclusively to Christianity was actually gotten from other sources. The creation story in the bible was derived from older middle-eastern texts that preceded Judaism, same with flood story. I realized that a significant chunk of new testament theology was derived from the pagan culture surrounding the legalization of Christianity during Constantine's era. There was also the shocking fact that what we currently consider de-facto Christian doctrine was contrived by men who acted under the instruction of a very occultic roman empire.
Books that were deemed okay by those control were incorporated into the christian canon while those that weren't deemed okay were de-canonized. What's wasn't clear to me was the criteria for deeming a book qualified to be incorporated in the canon. Going by the information contained in the books that weren't included in the canon it became apparent that this process was done to occlude important knowledge and to condition Christians to see the world in a particular way.

I also studied the progression of Christianity throughout history and I noticed how pernicious it had been and how it's doctrines had been used to justify wars and other atrocities committed against human beings. Most notably the crusades, the inquisitions, slavery and racial subjugation as a derivative. I felt that there was no way that a religion which had caused the deaths of millions of people could be inspired by the God of creation.

The final nail in the coffin for me was when I observed the character of the God in the old testament. He not only was misogynistic, sexiest and racist but he was also blood thirsty, heartless, and possessed the emotional strength of an ordinary human; he was bad-tempered, capricious and murderously splenetic. I felt that this being whatever it was was just concocted by men as it expressed traits common to man. I afterwards dumped Christianity and became an atheist.

At first, seeing the world trough the lens of atheism felt liberating. I felt a certain freedom I had never felt before. I could now do things that were proscribed by Christianity. Gradually I felt my conscience grow soft and my moral compass become defective. This didn't mean that I became a bad person, it was just that I didn't feel under any obligation to something higher than myself( you can call this God or the divine) to live a life you'd consider moral. Of course this is no argument against atheism. Christians commit immoral acts all the time and so do atheists. But in my case I felt my previous religious belief gave me more of a reason to live a moral life than atheism did. I know empathy plays a role in keeping humans from committing harm against other people. But as history and the psychological literature on the subject has shown, empathy can easily be suppressed by environmental factors, and humans possess different levels of empathy. The reason my previous religious belief provided as to why living a moral life was essential wasn't rooted in the escape of hell and the attainment of a heaven after death. No. Even as a christian my beliefs were more sophisticated than the fear and reward dynamic of hell and heaven. As a christian the reason I felt living a moral life was essential was because of how that impacted my spiritual experience. The more moral I was, the more profound my spiritual experiences.

On the question of meaning of life which I have always regarded as a every serious and important question, atheism seemed to offer mostly hedonistic or pessimistic answers. Replies from most atheists to this question was usually something like: "The point of life is to be happy and do what you enjoy" or that life was has no objective meaning. We are all just biological products of evolution and one day we will die and that's that. We come from nothing and we will go to nothing." Now I'm not saying that if an answer to the question of the meaning of life is hedonistic or pessimistic then the answer is false. But in my opinion these replies seemed so thoughtless and empty. The idea that happiness and pleasure were the aims to which humans should pursue revealed the selfishness and moral poverty that inspired the hedonistic perspective. The idea that everything is meaningless and we are just bags of flesh that will die and decay revealed the deep antihumanism and crippling nihilism that colored the pessimistic perspective.

There was another faction of atheists that referred to themselves as secular humanists. Although their answer to the question of the meaning of life was nested in a hedonistic and pessimistic world view, it was tempered with the responsibility of making the world a better place and helping humans in need while still being in it. Secular humanism was very attractive to me because I'm a very empathic person, but the more I immersed myself this ideology I soon realized that its primary tenet was also the massage that Christianity preached. Love.

I also regarded secular humanism as not being a very logically consistent perspective to have. If striving for happiness or pleasure along with shouldering the responsibility of helping your fellow humans is what life is about, outside the purview of the existence of the divine, then a serious contradiction arises when the things that make one happy don't make the lives of humans better. Take for instance a natural sexual sadist. Sexually sadistic individuals derive pleasure and happiness from harming others. How does a sexual sadist who is a secular humanist reconcile these two contradicting motivations? The mistake of secular humanists is that they erroneously assume that everyone is empathic and hence should want to care for other humans. But this isn't the case.
Conversely there have been lots of unemphatic and sadistic people who when the call to humanism was nested in a moral obligation to the divine, they selflessly cared for other humans and forwent their immoral impulses.

I attended xperience13 because my partner asked me to. She pleaded that I attend with her and out of love and respect for her wishes I did. This wasn't the only reason however. I felt a certain nostalgia about attending the event as I used to before I became an atheist and since lots of talented artists were billed to perform, I attended.
I wasn't especially thrilled with the occasion, especially with the intermittent prayers for Nigeria that were made under the foolish assumption that prayer was the solution to Nigeria's problems, until Nathaniel Bassey performed. His performance was the straw that broke the camel's back.

As an atheist, despite the condescending conviction that my beliefs were fact-proof, I always felt that something was missing. I felt that I wasn't in alignment with a crucial segment of my life. An important portion of the puzzle of my life always seemed to be absent. I never knew what it was but I always felt that it wasn't present. It's interesting to note that when I was a christian I never felt this way. Atheism mired evolutionists and anthropologists have opined that we humans have a natural desire to ascribe reverence to something outside of ourselves. Sort of like a gene that predisposes us to being religious. I don't disagree with this. What I disagree with it is the extrapolation derived from this observation along with the purported origin for it. Unlike the evolutionists I don't think we evolved this traits as a result of random processes of natural selection. I also don't think that the fact that this is a product of natural selection means that the existence of God or the divine isn't an objective reality.

What if it is an objective reality? What if the need humans have to ascribe their creation and being and the creation of the natural world to a divine creator is proof that the divine exists?
Our emotional systems seen very attuned to profound states of meaning. And it seems like the most profound states usually involve either actions and experiences motivated my love or moments of religious worship. When Nathaniel Bassey raised those worship songs and I sang along, I experienced an emotional state that I hadn't experienced before. I cried like a child. In that unique moment of worship, I felt true meaning. I felt all my flesh-like lusts and impulses crumble in submission to something inside me that felt purer and more real than my physical body. I felt I was in the presence of a divine presence greater than myself and I felt my experience was real and true.

It's only a very arrogant person that would say that he understands everything about the nature of reality. Only a very close-minded person would reject the existence of the metaphysical or the divine given the mountain of documentations on the subject throughout history. Now you may say that these documentations are myths. But who is to say that myths aren't dramatization of experienced truths?

Maybe the God of the Bible didn't create the world and maybe Jesus isn't the direct son of God. I don't know the answers to these questions. But what I'm am certain of is that lots of truths are incorporated within Christianity and through participating in worship and in implementing core christian principles, these truths can be revealed.

Atheists are fond of throwing away the baby with the bath water. They, just like I did, observe errors in the bible and then discount everything else about Christianity on the basis of these errors. I think the materialism that atheism is nested in is insufficient to unravel deep truths about life and the true nature of our world.

Praise be to God.

Now, you have to ask for the Holy Spirit to direct you as from now on.

Songs, whether religious or secular, can move people in ways they wouldn't be able to imagine.

But all I can say here is that you were never an atheist. Instead you only found yourself in the place between religiosity and spirituality. The stage where you begin to ask a lot of questions.

HigherEd:
Difference between six and half a dozen again. Whether it's gifts or offerings it was donated by those who were blessed by Jesus ministry and he did not pay tax on it o. Moreover most pastors already pay PayE on their salaries.

How so? How are pastors taxed when the church is not taxed?

Jesus may not have paid tax from the donations he got, but then, He Himself said we should give to Caesar what is Caesar's.

If the government eventually taxes the church, then they should have no problems adhering.

HigherEd:
Christ paid personal tax not "church income tax". What Christ paid was a statutory tax levied by the govt of ceasar on individuals which is no difference to radio and television tax levied by the Nigerian Local governments There is no record anywhere that Jesus paid tax on revenue collected from his worshippers. And yes there is sufficient proof that Jesus collected offerings because Judas was acknowledged to be the treasurer.

Jesus didn't collect offerings.

Offerings in standard English is different from offerings in religious terms.

Jesus received gifts from his students, many of whom were people who had benefited from his healing ministry.

It was not unusual in those days for traveling teachers like Christ to receive gifts from students and well-wishers.

patoski39:
guy u get time o!!

I just get so passionate and worked up when I see someone arrogantly perverting the Word. I just can't overlook such dastardly acts.

mickeymimi:
I really like your submission .not a fan of freeze ..but as christians instead of insulting him ...am sure he can be corrected by the pastor with bible verses .... its just a shame that the guy brings out the beast in some christians even pastors ....Imagine some Christians here defending their pastors wishing him all sorts of evil and cusring him with gutter languages ....and they will pray to God later.. Jesus help us .

Exactly.

The guy I quoted even called Freeze the Devil.

Christianity is in a pathetic state. We have managed to build mansions in the name of God while we have greatly neglected the true temples of God which are our hearts.

See what comes out of the mouths of some Christians and you will wonder why building of churches have become a priority when the true priority is the building of the souls.

bid4rich:
That is why I said you should look beyond what you see!

This is what you resort to when your understanding of the Word is shallow.

Of all verses to quote as a way of telling genuine callings to the ministry, you left the advise given by our Lord and the criteria given by Paul, and went to the Old Testament to pick a verse that can be interpreted in as many ways as possible for different purposes.

bid4rich:
Did Jesus not keep quiet before Pilate?

Was Pilate going against the Word or misquoting the Word as the Devil did?

bid4rich:
If you have read the scripture well, you would understand that, there is so much different between the two

What difference? Please, give just one difference?

bid4rich:
The answer to your question is in Proverbs 26:4. That's the main reason they keep quiet.

So, why didn't Jesus keep quiet? Why did He have to give the Devil fire for fire?

bid4rich:
Nobody call you a fool. Please look beyond what you see from the verse I showed you. In fact look deep

Relate the verse to today's calling and tell us how it supports Oyedepo's calling and not Freeze's calling?

Perhaps, we might see from your own perspective too.

bid4rich:
Have you not read that even devil has transformed himself as an agent of light! Just like Freeze! 2Cor 11:14. Also devil quoted scripture in order to convince Jesus to perform unecessary miracle by temptation also like Freeze. What makes you think Freeze is not being use by the devil with those scripture!

Have you ever read in the bible where Jesus reasons with the devil? Get understanding!

When the Devil quoted Bible verses, did Jesus not reply him with Bible verses? Did Jesus become boastful like Oyedepo?

How come your pastors are afraid to reply Freeze with Bible verses so that he can leave them alone just like the Devil left Jesus alone?

bid4rich:
The evidence is all around you. Daniel 11:32. Show me where Freeze fits in to this one verse

Into what verse? How does that verse relate to being called to do God's work, a calling which was given to all Christians?

Please, I am not a fool. I even thought you would quote the criteria for becoming an overseer that Paul gave, instead you went and picked an isolated verse in an old Testament book to buttress the calling under the New Testament.

bid4rich:
You see what we are saying! What then is the essence of the bible you carry. Sometimes you carry bible about without reading or on the other hand you read without understanding. That's why the bible say you should not be like a child in understanding but in understanding be men 1cor 14:20

Search out for yourself whether what the pastor said is in line with what the scripture says. You think God will judge you bases on what the pastor preaches, God will judge you bases on His word that you have in your hand. "In understanding be men".

Look at this hypocrite.

Have you ever bothered to search for yourself whether what Freeze is saying is in line with the Scriptures?

If your pastors are not being mischievous, how come they don't reason with Freeze using the Scriptures? Why is it that they either resort to emotional blackmails and boastful words or they let you (their foot soldiers) attack Freeze using emotions?

bid4rich:
Was freeze called by God? It takes a man called by God to correct another called of God. Paul and Peter were called of God but when Peter erred, Paul corrected and criticize him. How can a freeze hired by the devil correct a man called of God? I expect you to know better than this

How do you know who was called or not called by God?

How do you know Oyedepo was called by God?

bid4rich:
You need to be educated. Who was Moses? What about Paul, Timothy, Peter to mention but a few. Were they not called? Turn to Isaiah 45 from verse 1, what do you think the bible was talking about? Decipher that if you have understanding.

Have you not read in 1cor 12:28 and where did God place them. Pls always find out what is written about truth before you join others (freeze) in their foolishness.

Simple question.

Who is a pastor? Moses was not a pastor. Timothy and Paul were pastors. A pastor feeds the flock with the Word of God. In other words, a pastor is a teacher. Freeze is a teacher of the Word, so what makes Oyedepo so special that Freeze cannot correct him? Is Oyedepo greater than Freeze?

Is there a first and a last in the body of Christ?

If you can criticise Freeze, a teacher of the Word, why can't Freeze criticise Oyedepo, a supposed teacher of the Word?

bid4rich:
And what is freeze business with tithe? Does freeze bible different from any other persons bible? Does tithe not mention in his (freeze) bible including your own if you have one. Despite pastors preaches tithe, does everybody in church pay tithe? If I pay tithe is it not my money? And what is his business with my money. If I did not pay what is his headache?

Don't let freeze virus get into your head because I think freeze mental disorder is incurable. Be wise and face your life and not someone 's else that is going nowhere

There should be no mind your business in the body of Christ.

If we hear false teachings, it is our responsibilities as good Christians to challenge the false teachers.

bid4rich:
Not until he desist from attacking pastors. What is his business with pastors. The bible says the sorrow of those people (who does what freeze does) shall multiplied.... paraphrased

Who is a pastor? What is so special about a pastor? Back it up with at least a Bible verse.

post=73861765:
We rather ignore them. That kill and pain them more. Look at him spewing trash and fighting with himself. Thanks for the heads up man. Sai Baba all the way. Chop knuckles my brother

Yes, my brother. Sai Baba all the way!!

Hedonini:
As at the time I quoted you this cursed creature, your useless comment had 65 likes. I have no doubt that you alone liked your comment 65 times, using 65 different cursed monikers. You're that jobless and deranged.

Why are you attacking him over his choice?

Why not embrace your Atiku while you allow us to embrace our Buhari?

Your man has not even won and you people are already becoming so intolerant.

Niceman4u:
In your mind u think Buhari can express himself coherently, intelligently and logically?
Ve u heard Buhari speak intelligently before?
I don't have anything against Buhari but the issue is Buhari is very unintelligent and really needs help.
I think he s the most unintelligent military ruler to ve ruled Nigeria.

You people are just shouting intelligence up and down.

How do you measure intelligence?