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Ubenedictus: did Jesus die on a cross or not??

Yes He did.

To whose image did you liken Him? Whose image did you bow down to saying this is our lord Jesus Christ?

ijawkid: Good work bro......

Thanks dear.

Who released greengory from cage? Your idols will not do a thing. We serve the only true God.

This is just the beginning!

Image123: A soldier can kill under lawful authority. He can't go home can kill his wife or neighbour, or go out and start shooting others. But as a law enforcement agent, if the sentence is death and proven so, he can kill. The law told the Israelites not to kill and the understood it in its proper context. Little David killed Goliath, the enemy of God's people. God helped him in the wars also.

Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Rom 13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.

No one is to take law into his hands but to submit them to divinely approved authority. That's why people report things to the judges and the police and other law ENFORCEMENT agents.

And also kill whom to kill.

To kill by whose authority? Christ said do violence to no man and your divinely approved authority said kill. You choose to disobey Christ and do something worse than violence by obeying your divinely approved authority. A thing that will adversely affect your fellow man's wife, children and family.

Besides who told you that the people they kill are Gods enemy? Whose cause are they fighting for? God or man? Christians killing Christians. Abi US Christian soldiers are the ones for God while the other ones are His enemies?

You guys need serious deliverance. Modern Pharisees.

Ubenedictus: a simple biblical principle, images arent condemned unless they become idols. U dont need a new command say make this and that image.

The question still remains-
To what image will you like Him?

Catholics likened Christ to the image of criminals and sinners and proudly bow before it offering prayers to it.

Who did you liken Christ image to?

1 see people bowing, kneeling and offering prayers to the idol they assume is Mary.

2 Parents teaching their children how to pray to the black idol of a pope.

Anyigala: As a Practising Catholic for more than 25 years, and having been to mass in a number of states in Nigeria and Europe for some times now, i can categorically say that we don't worship Stars, Moon, Sun, Rome,Pope, Mary, Saints, Status, Candles, incents, Chairs or tables. WE WORSHIP THE LIVING GOD, CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH-YOU KNOW, GOD OF ABRAHAM,MOSESE,ISAAC AND JACOB. THE I AM. (pun intended).

I have a feeling that some protestants that come up with this nonsense actually think that by repeating it all the time it will become true one day. Well, It will not because,lie is lie and truth is truth. We worship the living God and only the living God and that what it is.

Those that worship 'amadioha' will also tell you that they serve a living god. And they might have done that for more than 60yrs. You can't come here and tell us you worship satan, na to fall your catholic hand be that.

Ubenedictus: ofcuz i have scriptural backing to make images and even to put them in d house of worship so far as i dont worship the images themselves then nobody can accuse me of idolatry.

You can as well prostrate before the image of that 'may be' criminal just as Joshua did to the ark, nothing do you. Joshua gave you scriptural backing to make image of thieves, sinners and bow to it.
Hmm...your scripture is very scripturistic. Idol on.

God the Father is the God of our Lord Jesus. How can God over some body still be His equal share one God title with Him?

Does it mean being a God over somebody has no meaning again or is it just an english language?

Trinity has no bible backing!

Pastor Kun: Seconded

Thirded

Image123: Wanted to know your view, so that you are not sitting on the fence where you can fall and break a bone. My advice to christian US soldiers in war.

Luk 3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.
They should not collect or extort money or goods from anyone by force, they should not torture people or FALSELY accuse anybody. These are traits of the soldiers and police in all time, and in places where they are not restrained or cautioned. The christian soldier should not be like his worldly counterparts or colleagues as they involve themselves in drunkeness, drugs, r.ape, debaucheries and partyings. That's my advice to them, and also that they do all things in the fear of the Lord and in expectation of the coming King Jesus.

Are you now becoming phariseeish? Christ said woe unto them. Though your advice is good but dodging weightier matters.

Do violence to no man! let me ask you again this way.
Can Christian US soldiers involved in war kill their fellow man?

kenono: Which pictures pls? All I saw were pictures of monster- looking women, how can you say those ppl are beautiful?
I wonder the kinda beautiful woman you will marry if you were a man.

some of the fulanis look good while some of them just changed the taste of my garri.

ehie: die of a stroke playahata

Hahaha.
Just because i told you am eating, that's why you rain all those abuse on your self.

I hope you don't look like those puppies on your profile?

Ubenedictus: like d ark of d covenant and d image of cherubims in d temple right? My bible say he likes it, damn he even asked d israelites to make them.

joshua prostrated with his face to d ground b4 d ark, my bible didnt say God was angry. U have become a false prophet saying that which God didnt say.

So when did he command you to make an image of some body you don't if he is a criminal in life and use it to represent Christ. To the point of bringing it to where you pray to Him.

Do you think He didn't know what He was doing when He gave them that commandment? Go ahead and make more idols for your self because you now have scriptural backing.

Idol bonanza for catholics. I have some for sell.

Ubenedictus: very silly! U shuld learn to interprete scriptures, WAS JESUS WITH OR WITHOUT FORM? There was no form nor gender at mount horeb, there was both form and gender at calvary. The couldnt be an image of horeb that had no form, but ofcuz there is of calvary.

Did you see His form and image? Why is it that the image they worship in Rome is different from the one in Aba?

Making image of different sect of people and calling the Christ. You can't lie, the true image of Christ does not exist.

Ubenedictus: hahaha,

saint marian, you think that is a laughing matter?

gregtochi: I make bold to ask you Frosbel, if u are a christian and you say that catholic symbology is rooted in paganism as u so illustrated, why has it stood the test of time Is it a happenstance that the catholic church is still teaching the same doctrines till today without weavering? If catholicity is demonic worship, why has it not been overwhelmed by the teachings of the protestant splinter groups all these centuries Make no mistake, there are some unfortunate things that happen in the catholic church, but I will tell you authoritatively, that the catholic church is the most biblical church you can find.

Broad is the way that leads to destruction. And many pass through it.

Keep that authority to your self.

italo: You can't join us in doing these things simply because we don't do them... But you can and do worship your parents.

You people just read and deliberately refuse to understand. Firstly, we have seen the form of Jesus, Mary and the saints so that verse has little to do with the images we have. Secondly, God said do not make IDOLS. Not every image is an idol. If it were so, then every sculpture or painting or picture would be an idol. An idol is one you use to replace God. Thirdly, I think you are the one violating that command from God. You have made your parents who were made in God's IMAGE into your IDOLS and you are worshipping them.

I agree, like those who worship human beings (like parents).

There's no idolatry so no need to Get out. Its you who needs to get out of worshipping your parents.

Hahaha!
My parents seems to be the only thing you can hold unto. Your looking for a lame bail out.

Exodus 20:4-5

4 “You shall not make for yourself an
image in the form of anything in
heaven above or on the earth
beneath or in the waters below.
5 You shall not bow down to them
or worship them; for I, the LORD
your God, am a jealous God,
punishing the children for the sin of
the parents to the third and fourth
generation of those who hate me,

1 Don't make any image and bring it to the presence of God. He does not like it. You think He will be happy to see you kneeling before an image and at the same time asking things from Him.

2 don't bow to them or worship them, even if it is called holy sacrament or the virgin Mary whose image you have seen in movies.

ehie: I posted natural beauty,pls post the same kind of pictures

ehie please i am eating, stop posting those pictures.

Image123: what's yours?

Is the question hard to answer?

Christians should not join the army. That would be my advice to Christians before, during and after a war.

So tell us your own.

Is that how our Father in heaven looks like?
SMH!

How did they know about the crowning? Or is it part of the mysteries also?

italo: ...But you have no moral right to complain about other people. You worship you parents, according to you.

Ok o. But what i know is that i can't join the Catholics and worship idol, carved image of thieves thinking they are Christ.

I can't bow and kneel before a big statue of a woman thinking it is mary and offer prayers to it.

Deuteronomy 4:15-16 (NRS)

15 Since you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire, take care and watch yourselves closely, 16 so that you do not act corruptly by making an idol for yourselves, in the form of any figure—the likeness of male or female,

This is a very clear warning. Even a blind man will see this. You never saw his form.

Idol worshipers are not Christians(followers of Christ). They only succeeded in deceiving lots of Christians in history.

Get out if you are still under their idolatry, if you want to server the only true God. For we know our root, our owner-Christ.

italo: YOU accuse me of worshipping all sorts of things, then you ask me to teach you what worship means. LMAO!

I won't teach you. I will go with your initial definition which would mean that you worship your parents.

...Just so that you can see how inadequate your reasoning on this issue is (and that is putting it politely).

One of your catholic friends once told me that the word "until" has a different meaning in Greek before it was translated in English. That's why i want to know what your own worship means.

So my brother whether it is worship or shipwor, you don't serve God with a carved image of an unknown person. It is idol worship.

Image123: I'm talking real life, not assumptions. Not every soldier gets to go to war. Like nigerian soldiers have not had to be involved in war for nigeria for more than 30 years now. There is a percentage that goes for peace keeping from time to time. Peace keeping soldiers try to ensue peace in foreign lands by trying to bring rebels, miscreants and sedition movers to judgement. Peace has a price, and when Jesus comes, He would bring peace with a huge price. One should however not engage in ungodly actions whether you are a soldier or a jobless fellow, or a student. There are many nigerian students who wreck more havoc than many a soldier.

What would be your advice to Christian US soldiers who are currently involved in war?

@italo, ubenedictus and co

I hope you guys know the image on the cross you carry about is not the image of Christ?

A very big shameful act!

italo: I can't believe this.

So you don't know what "worship" means yet you go around accusing people of worshipping all sorts of things.

What sort of Christian are you?

Please teach me.

I shall not fear. Even though i walk through the value shadow of death and demons. Because i have the blood of Jesus Christ in abundance. Satan and his demons will never dare the blood. And he who want to get me must pass through the blood of Christ.

With this i will walk smilingly and praisingly to God while they look at me envingly and will never do any thing.

How confident are you? Share it.

italo: Mr man, what kind of Christians are you people...so dubious. I cannot continue discussing with you if you cannot be straightforward.

Let me ask you again:

WHAT IS WORSHIP?

Please tell me.

Ubenedictus: it is a pity my time is so limited, i would have been interested in explaining a few things, the fact that thieves died on a cross doesnt nully the fact that christ also died on a cross. And thanks b to God almost everybody wu sees me with a crucifix knows what i'm preaching and that is "christ crucified". If i cant shout it out loud on the street then i should let everybody see that my christ died on a cross and saved me. Ur talk abt theives is non seqiter.

So you made the image of some one you don't know and use it to preach Christ crucified. Assuming satan was crucified on a cross, you will still make an image of the cross and tell me it is the symbol of your Christianity? Do you know the image of Christ, satan and 100reds of thieves crucified on the cross?

Yet you make such images and take it along when you to worship God, whom Christ told you to worship in spirit and in truth.
The things of Christ are unique.

Ubenedictus: hahaha, again u quote a passage against idolatry to support urself. Can u tell me d meaning of idolatry?

To what image will you liken Him?

italo: I have no idols or pagan symbols...but I have always had my holy water, rosary, crosses and statues and God has always been near me...even IN me.

So why should I take your advice?

I wrote something like this before. You might have skipped it.
The cross you are using is the same as the one they used for so many thieves before Christ and the two other thieves. The image on it is not the image of Christ. You might be giving honour to dead thieves. Christ said 'worship God in spirit and truth'.

italo: What is the need of the "BUT." You see it is easy for you to accuse other people of worshipping things that are not God. Then I asked you a simple question: 'what is worship?' And you answered: "showing great respect and devotion to." You didn't add any "BUT" then o. And it was not my definition, it was YOURS. Now, when I asked if you show great respect and devotion to your parents, you say yes. So going by YOUR definition, you are worshipping your parents.

Except you want to REDEFINE 'worship.' Do you? Go ahead and give me a new definition (that would exonerate you from 'parent worship') if you want to.

'Honour you father and mother'. One of the 10 commandments. The BUT there means that i don't carve their image and take it along with me whenever i want to worship God. That amounts to worshipping idol even though you think you're worshipping God.

How do you know what I focus on? Are you in my mind?

Haven't you read in the OT that you don't make an image of anything either on earth or in heaven and think that is how God looks like nor bow to it. We worship God in truth and spirit not with images. They are not suppose to be found any where near you.

John 11:26 says: "he who lives and believes in me will NEVER die. Do you believe this"

Do you believe this Boomark? Are the Saints dead or alive, Boomark?

I don't have a bronze snake but answer: why did God heal them by using a statue if as you say, we shouldn't reach God by using statues. Can't you see that what you said is contrary to what happened in the Bible?

I believe. But i thought we were looking at who a saint is and that your quote never defined it.

If you make a bronze snake now and look unto it to get healing just as God told the Israelites to do in the wilderness, you are worshipping idol. Do you believe that?

pastormustwacc: I have read it, interesting article. Well, MY RESPONSE IS A SWORD AND IS LIKELY TO DECAPITATE MANY CHRISTIANS, SO IT SHALL BE HIDDEN ONCE AGAIN.

This truth we share is bitter and a pain to their soul. But only the truth shall set them free.