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It is obvious Ola didn't know how Revelation came to us. Read Rev 1:1.

If i send you message and you go there go claim my glory, just prepare to go kirikiri prison as you dey come back.

italo: @ Bernimoore,

Firstly, we don't bow to and make supplication to any statue. We can bow before a statue but only in reverence to the depicted Saint or God who bestows honour on that Saint.

Does this your definition of worship apply to everybody or just to Catholics?

If it applies to everybody, can we then say that Joshua and the other Israelites worshipped the Ark of the Covenant? Or are you going to judge them differently than you do Catholics?

Joshua 7:6 Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell facedown to the ground before the ark of the Lord, remaining there till evening. The elders of Israel did the same, and sprinkled dust on their heads. 7 And Joshua said, “Alas, Sovereign Lord, why did you ever bring this people across the Jordan to deliver us into the hands of the Amorites to destroy us? If only we had been content to stay on the other side of the Jordan! 8 Pardon your servant, Lord. What can I say, now that Israel has been routed by its enemies? 9 The Canaanites and the other people of the country will hear about this and they will surround us and wipe out our name from the earth. What then will you do for your own great name?”

Do you just make an image of any body and name it saint Peter, bowing and revering it?

Can you boldly say that God instructed you people to make such images just as He instructed Joshua and Moses?

This is where the problem is. No body is bashing church and you can't tell me to shut my mouth from saying the bad deeds of a pastor or church cos many will learn from it.

Learn to serve Him in spirit and in truth.

ijawkid: Which GOD??...

I don't even think you know the God you worship anymore.....

they worship so many things which they equate to one god.

SMH for Italy.

They no longer bible quote and God's commandment. What they follow is bulletins quotes and Pope's commandment.

^^From the above quote, it is clear that there are other Gods. But they all have a God over them who is the Almighty God and not their equal in authority, power, might, strength, nature, headship, any way etc. Because He tells them what to do and they do it.

If genesis maths is where trinity is Derived from then trinity is a standard failure.

Ubenedictus: so the passages i quoted are not in ur adultrated bible huh?

u shuld be ashamed of ur self. U have eyes but u are blind, ears but u are deaf.

u are very dishonest! How will u see wen d eyes of ur mind is blind. Just answer me who is the male child that rule with a rod of iron?? Who is he??

At least those you are calling blind have shown you that the woman you believed to be Mary for many years is no longer Mary. Catholics used it in a book to prove their rosary.

SMH For ubenedictus.

chukwudi44: Hahahaha how do you know the books to be read as scripture? It was simple because this synod told you so.The entire gospels and some other gospels were anonymous .Their canonicity and authours were only sourced through sacred tradition.

Why don't you quote other books like enoch,jubiless e.t.c that were not canonised by these church councils

Are they the ones that wrote the scriptures?

We are talking about rosary developing as the scriptures did so you don't start missing the point. Cos i have so many stories in my life i would also say developed as the scriptures did which i would like the synod to add for me in the bible.

BERNIMOORE: @law-conffessor



1,Because God possess the exclusive power (unchallenged power) to give an order,without consulting anybody including catholics!
2,there was an 'emergency' that warrant the order!
3,There was a command directing isrealite to do so from God!and because God is 'a jealous God'(exodus) who does not permit anyone to give order without his permmission! the catholic erred by putting law into their own hands creating images without Gods consent and permmission! okay? he is unaccountable to anyone,and unquestionable!

Gods exclusive power is unchallenged, but creating idols of mary without 'Gods command' is an embarrassement that bellitles God' catholics erred by putting the law in their own hands! ok?

This is one little thing the fail to understand. They are protecting their Pope and their synod while constantly disobeying God. Worshipping woods and stones which He gave no command on.

Rich4god: lol...
But God inpired Moses to build a statue...

What is keeping you from buying a copy of that bronze snake and worshiping it? You must have been missing a lot without it, especially the healing power.

italo: I weep for Christianity!

See confusion!

Jesus is sure not the author of this confusion.

Now who is telling the truth?

Everyone is saying different things and everyone will claim to be under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Somebody/some people is/are lying/preaching false doctrine...

...And it sure aint The Holy Spirit.

I continue to look on...wondering who to believe.

Why you are confused is because you must have been believing for years, those that claim to be seeing in spirit.
Those that will tell you to go and pray so that you will start seeing in the spirit when you show them from the scripture.
Those that will tell you it is a mystery wherever e hook dem.

I still wonder the source of what they have been believing concerning the dead since it is difficult to reason it out from the scriptures.

italo: I don't know, but I know that the wine in the cup becomes the blood of Christ after consecration.

Matt. 26:27 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

What was poured out for many? Was it the blood of Christ or a symbol of it?

What was given up? Is it the body of Christ or a symbol of it?

You don't have to laugh at what you don't know.

Another thing you should ask your self is:
did any part of His body got missing when they ate of the bread?

italo: So which and/or where is this "church/body of Christ of yours which the gates of hades has put so much confusion into/prevailed against?

You can't apply the blessings of a true prophet to a false prophet just because they both bear the name 'prophet.' This is just for illustration purpose.

Ihedinobi: @Image123, wow, bro. Thank God for you. I agree with your post in its entirety.

I think the thing that impedes our understanding of this matter may be a false human compassion. I don't think any of us feels bad about throwing dirt out of our living and work space. Nor do we feel particularly good about living or dealing with people who feel obliged to do so despite the fact they hate our guts.

Regardless, good posts, bro.

SMH

According to what image123 said, the rich should have been sleeping in hell fire. I wonder why he was awake looking for drinking water.

italo: Dear Boomark,

Don't blame Catholics.

Blame Jesus.

He was the one who took BREAD, and after blessing it, said "THIS IS MY BODY!"

So how is it our fault that we believe him and you don't?

Brother, you got it right there. He said "THIS IS MY BODY" not "THIS IS JESUS."

Jesus Christ is your messiah, your saviour, greater than you to infinity. You can't rescue or pick him in any way or form.

Catholics are to be blamed for showing no respect to our Lord. Who is at the right hand of the Father saving and rescuing them from the works of satan. Who they now boldly say they can pick from the floor.

SMH in pity.

chukwudi44: If the holy spirit did not inspire these synods then why are you using the bible produced by these synods?
Do you think the books in the bibe were the only scriptures in circulation?

The word of God is not produced by synod. Or did they tell you the bible is the word of synod?

Of course there are stories of people worshiping baal and the queen of heaven in the bible. Seems they are what inspired your belief.

SMH!

Rich4god: Kant Stop laughing...
How did you know that the Holy Spirit didnt inspire the synod.

The Holyspirit cannot inspire people to worship idol.

SMH!

chukwudi44: Ol boy stop dodging his question.

Are Joshua,moses,solomon e.t.c idol worshippers ?

If I must answer your question Jesus's images are displayed on roman catholic churches worldwide.

To your second question,every elementary student of church history would know that the bible did not exist until the fourth century CE.The canon of the scriptures which l8 became the bible were dcided almost four centirities later @ the synod of hippo 393 CE and council of carthage ion 397CE

They are not idol worshipers but those that images any how, without instructions and guidance from God are worshipping idol.

The images you are talking about are they the same everywhere? How did they get Christ picture in the first place?

The Scriptures contains the word of God and it is inspired by the Holyspirit. It is not inspired by a synod.

nne3870: pls dn't shw ur ignorance, how can u feed a scattered flock?

So he is ignorant by putting ur views in the right direction.

chukwudi44: So you think people should forgo their sleep because you asked a question on nl? Does it occur to you that most of us will go to work in the morning.life does not revolve around nl alone.


Yes of course Jesus is pysically present in the eucharist.we know this because he said so in the scriptures and has constantly manifested himself in several eucharistic miracles over the years

Were you forced to wake up and answer?

His question is simple. Is Jesus the eucharist? Anything can perform miracle these end time period.

Besides we don't know what a eucharist is. You don't just make any things and call it Jesus. Just as you guys carve a cross with whose image i don't know placed on it, calling it Jesus. This is insult of the highest order.

Your Popes and co have made a very big mistakes in history. That is what going outside the scripture to borrow practices can cause. Pride will not allow them to change.

chukwudi44: The fact remains that the main bone of contention here is" is the eucharist the body and blood of Jesus" kapish

Ijawkid asked you and anyigala to tell us what a eucharist is. You fail to answer.

A catholic priest affirmed to this statement:
you dropped Jesus on the floor. Let me pick Jesus from the floor.
This the bone of contention.

Jesus being equal to the wafer is not good my brother.

! :
How do we really know that Jesus is in the eucharist?

What he will say is it is a mystery.

Mr_Anony: fleded?

hahaha

we are still waiting.

chukwudi44: I think the title of this thread should be changed to "is the eucharist really the body and blood of Jesus"

The title is not an issue but the bolded statement is.

This is a very bad misnomer. How can one say he wants to pick Jesus from the floor. And also to rescue our Lord from the floor. What if it the wine(His blood) which you forgot is separate, is what mistakingly poured on the floor, will he say let me clean Jesus from the floor?

Don't you think there should be a better way to saying that?

Infact there is no need to talk much. The man, the Rcc father, italo, ubenedictus, you, plus including those that support this statement should ask our lord for forgiveness. Period.

ikananwa: U have done the best!

let us be the ones to correct our selves than leave it for outsides to do so.

italo: No offence taken, as I'm not even ranking anybody.

I'm only trying to know what God is teaching on this issue. Everyone of you has had an argument on doctrine with me at one time or the other and you all ascert your positions as though you were sure it's God's teaching.

This is only a good opportunity for me to get all three of you (and possibly more) to teach me again. It is also a chance for me to know if you will all teach the same thing or different things.

If you admit that you are fallible, how can you then tell another man with certainty that he is wrong on his own interpretation of the Bible. That alone is a claim to infallibility.

I would also like to know where this different revelations you mentioned is coming from and what the "mature revelation" will be at the end of the day.

But then, perhaps I am asking for too much; that would be derailing the thread.

You don't want to believe the scriptures and you don't want believe infallible humans. Are you gradually becoming atheistic?

Will there be no bible references as back up or is it going to be based on true life stories?

We are waiting to learn.

Mr_Anony: fled?

Fleded.

At the cathedral in Venice,
Florida,
Dr. Rice says that the pastor
dropped a Host without
knowing
it, as he was administering
Communion to one of the
servers.
It fell out of the ciborium
without
his noticing it. "So when Anita
and I went up to receive
Communion, I leaned over to
the
priest and said, 'Father, you
dropped Jesus on the floor.' He
got this blank look on his face,
just stunned, and I said, 'May I
have the privilege of rescuing
Our
Lord from the floor?' and he
said,
'Yes, of course.'
"And so I went up to the
sanctuary area, leaned over,
and
picked Jesus up off the floor,
then
went back down around the
front
of the altar and bowed before
the
altar and consumed the
Eucharist.
I went back to my seat and sat
down and then knelt forward.

The bolded part caught my attention. And i was bamboozled when some Catholics said there is nothing wrong with the statement.

I want to know if the statement is generally acceptable to Catholics or that the few that supported it are just ignorant.

The focus is on.
1 Dropping Jesus on the floor

2 Rescuing our lord from the floor

3 Picking Jesus off the floor.

Is this right?

Ubenedictus: now u want to tell me what i blive. Really?? Abi joshua is also a idol worshipper.

You want me to forget the question i asked you and focus on Joshua so you can accuse me of having low memory. I no gree.

If you are not ashamed of the cross, symbol of catholic Christianity answer these questions.

1 Whose carved image is on the cross you bow to?
2 How do you mean the scriptures developed the same way rosary did?

Ubenedictus: tell me another joke.

Another joke is: they wanted Christians to worship idol.

italo: Jesus: "This is my body"

Ijawkid, Boomark: "No, it's not"

I will help you guys with this ridicule.

Ubenedictus: mtcheew so u dont know how to b quiet wen u have nothing to say??

Is it difficult to tell me that you bow to idol since since Joshua is now you leader? You don't know how hide from it.