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Joagbaje: That's the question you should first ask. The pastor who have chopper or jet ,did they say they use church money for it? He said some people bought him chopper.

People bought it for him and vanity made him accept the 2nd and 3rd ones.

Who make it a pastor job to feed citizen of a nation. What a pastor owe is the teaching which will make the people prosper. Not to spoon feed individual.

John 21:15-17
New International Version (NIV)

15 When they had finished eating,
Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon
son of John, do you love me more
than these?”
“Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that
I love you.”
Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.”
16 Again Jesus said, “Simon son of
John, do you love me?”
He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know
that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.”
17 The third time he said to him,
“Simon son of John, do you love
me?”
Peter was hurt because Jesus asked
him the third time, “Do you love
me?” He said, “Lord, you know all
things; you know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.

Jesus did not ask the sheep to feed peter. Pastors shouldn't be competing for who will be the richest on earth. He is not the only rich pastor in Nigeria but excesses is what is attracting all these things you see here.

Techwriter: hmm...See responses. I can't believe Nigerians still reason this way after Christianity has been here for years. Whats the difference between priests and kings in the New Testanent? I will open a new thread i will title "In defense of Oyedepo" to answer mst of the questions raised here. Watch Out

You will see how your hand will fall...i mean how you will fall your hand.

italo: Matt. 26:
39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

42 He went away a second time and prayed, “My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.”

44 So he left them and went away once more and prayed the THIRD TIME, saying the SAME THING.

Jesus sounded very Catholic there, didn't he?

Do you not understand what He meant when He said do not use vain repetitions as the heathens do. He sounded anti-catholic here and upon that called their likes HEATHEN.

italo: I know.

What was Jesus doing in the Garden of Gethsemane. Praying or Praising?

Did he pray when he went to heaven?

Want you to understand something there. Those that need help and those that don't.

ogoamaka99: @ pastor kun,
I am not supperised at this post.JESUS speaking in Mathew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. You are just showing the true meaning of yor name -anti pastor. Howerever Oyedepo is a blessed man for so said JESUS Math 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

It is now for money sake.

teeo: Why do you think he isnt feeding the poor? So he must sell his Rolls Royce before you know he feeds the poor.

At his level he shouldn't beat his chest that he has fed 50 poor people while he cruise around with what could have helped 5000 poor people. The body of Christ is meant to help one another not one person.

torhuke: All Join... Pastorz shuld live like human beingz, not animalz. If 2-face started frm d scratch of music & grew to buy a plane, whtz wrong wt a pastor whose church started frm d scratch buyin a choper. As long as he did nt steal, all Join..!

Growing on whose money. Is it his money making venture?

Millions of people in Nigeria still need help. They are the one to take care of them in Nigeria. And not fly abroad to collect oversea tithe.

Ezekiel 28:17-19 (RSV)

17 Your heart was proud because
of your beauty; you corrupted your
wisdom for the sake of your
splendor. I cast you to the ground;
I exposed you before kings, to
feast their eyes on you. 18 By the
multitude of your iniquities, in the
unrighteousness of your trade you
profaned your sanctuaries; so I
brought forth fire from the midst
of you; it consumed you, and I
turned you to ashes upon the
earth in the sight of all who saw
you. 19 All who know you among
the peoples are appalled at you;
you have come to a dreadful end
and shall be no more for ever."

This a prophesy of what must happen to satan.

He shall be burnt to ashes and shall be NO MORE FOREVER.

If you don't believe this prophesy from God, it means you are forming your own belief.

plappville: You were absent when the post man came to deliver the Hanky

Hmm

seriallink: Satan was proud and wanted rulership too. Check the scriptures below;

Ezekiel 28:15-18

15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Was satan a cherubs that time? v16

v18,19 shows that satan will be burnt to ashes and will be no more forever. This one is for the hell fire people.

pastormustwacc: ^^^Since when did you become the church, that you are answering for the whole RCC, you be pope? LWTMB. Na wa o - see the type of psychotic christians i have to deal with?

*dies*

Abeg wake up. We still have lots of rebuking and corrections to do.
Italo has gotten a lot of his belief debunked. This is the point a lot of confusing things will be on his mind.

italo: If you shout a lie a million times, it will still remain a LIE.

Of course a lie is a lie. Telling us the image of the person on your wooden cross is Jesus is a VERY BIG LIE.

Joagbaje: Its religous mentality And poverty mentality. Either it's plane or chopper, it's only a vehicle. . A minister should used what is needed for his work like everyone else. is there a pastoral vehicle ? Volkswagen or 404? It depends on what God calls an individual for. Those who ministernamong peasant may have to live like peasant to reach them. Some are called to reach the nobles. The riverine village preacher may need a canoe not a car. The international evangelist or preacher may need a chopper or plane. Chopper is made for man not monkeys. You don't criticize another man. It's between him and his God.

This is why people now do whatever they want in the church.
Jo are you actually rich or you just have a rich mentality as a poor man?

No body cares what psquare does with their money. A Christian servant should watch what he does so that wount mislead the sheep. No body said he shouldn't use cars o. But what is a shepherd doing with excess chariots when the flocks that contribute to his well being have needs. Don't come here and tell us that since they are not complaining, it means it is right.

So calling now have class. Some are called to attend to the rich while some are called for the poor. I tire for O yes members.

teeo: And who are u to judge. Why is it that people have been blinded by what they see. Who told u that he is using the church money to buy his Rolls Royce, the Jet belongs to the church and is used to for church outreaches to foreign countries.

Wealthy people in the church give personal gifts to him and he uses it to live well. Must he die a pauper because he is a pastor.

Abeg just park well oo

We are not judging them we are rebuking them.

Did any of the apostles die a pauper? Even if he use 90% of all he has now to help the poor, he will still feed well well.

As rich as our Lord is, how many chariots, horses did he own that can easily shuttle him and his disciples Samaria to Bethlehem. But He walked so as to meet His people at the point of their need. He never accepted any despite the fact that He also healed lots rich men. And He can own thousands of it if He wants.

Christ asked Peter to tend and feed His sheep not the sheep feeding Peter. Pastor should be contented without owning a Jet. You can't tell us that if they don't own all those things they will die of malnutrition or they wount dress well. They are to focus more on helping the poor and those in need.

They are servants not celebrity.

pastormustwacc: First: *Why did he call the church a sleeping giant*? Why is the church sleeping?

We are at the end time and it is still sleeping. For how many years.
I wonder what will happen when it becomes an awoken giant. May be things in Revelation will start happening.

Ubenedictus: then i rest my case

Fine. Continue resting with idol hanging round your neck.

ijawkid: Thanks for bringing out this point...

Christ called those doing that heathen not me. But i will follow his footsteps and also call them heathen.

We are anti-paganism. If catholic is pagan, then
anti-pagan=anti-catholic.

Matthew 6:7-8
New King James Version (NKJV)

7 And when you pray, do not use
vain repetitions as the heathen do.
For they think that they will be
heard for their many words.
8 “Therefore do not be like them.
For your Father knows the things
you have need of before you ask
Him.

italo: You don't want to know why non-Catholics kneel and bow to their beds? Is bowing to a bed not idolatry?

Are you sure the Bible condemns repetitive prayers of Catholics?

Rev 4:8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:

“‘Holy, holy, holy

is the Lord God Almighty,’

who was, and is, and is to come.”

These heavenly beings are obviously very Catholic then. They keep repeating the same prayer forever and ever.

Jesus is also Catholic. He prayed the the cup should pass over him using the same thing THREE times.

The Bible condemns all of us, right?

Italo, my friend, don't you know the difference between praise and prayer?

pastormustwacc: Are you serious?

Very serious.

They can't serve two masters at a time.

"Those who are obstinate
toward the authority of the
Roman Pontiff cannot obtain
eternal salvation ." - Pope Pius
IX, Quanto Conficiamur Moerore,
DNZ:1677, (quoted in Apostolic
Digest, by Michael Malone, Book
5: "The Book of Obedience",
Chapter 1: "There is No
Salvation Without Personal
Submission to the Pope" ).

Does this mean that the salvation God brought to us through Christ means nothing without the Pope? That there is no salvation without the Pope? I have not known that Pope is their saviour.

But God made Christ the only way to Him and Christ said we should ask the father through Him. So this is the prophesy that someone will seat as God in the Temple.

*shedding tears in french* plappy, french handkerchief please.

There is no how those that believe in one and only true God(Father) will turn to atheism or be confused. Because there is no confusion in Him.

@Christembassy
do u just sing and dance in your church and go home? The apostles were not selfish trying to build there own personal spiritual life. They voiced out against idol worshipping. They taught and impacted. They bound and loosened. They rebuked and corrected. They.... Infact.

Many will start thinking with what we are doing here cos they have been following those teachings sheepishly.

italo: "If it was not a straight forward thing..."

You don't know about it, yet you are making accusations instead of being quiet about it and learning.

What kind of "christians" are you people?

Christ followers are Christians that's what we are.

Idol worshippers are idolistians.

They can't be Christians even though they claim to be.

Service to the only true God is in truth and spirit. Don't go and corrupt your self with carved woods/stones/metal images and what you think is not written in the bible which you have written for your self.

Anyigala: I really don't have much to say to you. If by repeating this falsehood you derive your 10 minutes satisfaction and self importance, by all means knock yourself out. However, we all know what the Bible says about judging and more so,false accusation.

the bible is use for correction, to rebuke etc. I rebuked people worshipping idol and try to correct them. Its not judging.

italo: One question you skipped:

" And even John said not everything that happened was recorded. This means there are things that were said and done that are not in the Bible. Do you know these things? Please tell me if you know these things."

Are the images the exact images of the Cherubs, Yes or No?

This how i have power over the catholics. You can't prove me wrong both ways for yes or no. Because it was not written if they are exact or not. God know his Cherubs and under His inspiration they made it. That is why you can't make a the image of Cherub with you human thinking and bow to it. It might turn out to be the image of the Indian president.

Under whose guidance was those different different images on the cross made. Do not add or remove from the word of God. What is written is enough for you. Stop idol worship.

italo: @ Boomark,

You haven't answered the questions I asked you and begged you to answer o.

Do you think they will expose your error?

Error? There is no error in exposing idol worshipers.

I have given you answers.

italo: Perhaps there are images of Joshua somewhere and people bow before them.



I don't think Christ told the Apostles - the Church - everything that was allowed for them to do. Afterall he said he would send the Holy Spirit to teach them ALL things. That means he hadn't taught them ALL things. And even John said not everything that happened was recorded. This means there are things that were said and done that are not in the Bible. Do you know these things? Please tell me if you know these things. You see how I've answered your questions, pls answer mine.
The images on the Ark of the covenant, were they EXACT images of the Cherubs? If not, whose images were they?

Go an search for Joshua worshipers cos the more idol u get the more closer u are to your god. Remember to also buy bronze snake. That one is for healing and their is no where it is written that you shouldn't serve it.

Which question did you answer. You can't deceive people here. God designed the temple, gave instructions and specifications on everything made for His service. Just like how the scriptures where written, they will do exceptional work under His guidance.
Can you boldly tell Him that the Cherubs He commanded the Israelites to build were not the exact image of His Cherubs? Hahaha. No try am o. I don't want anything to happen to you.

But the idols of the Catholics are all man made. That is why the Mary in Aluu is different from the one in kogi.

italo: We never say an image is Jesus Christ. It is you who says so.

Wait o! Whose image is on the cross Catholics carry about since it is not the image of Christ?

italo: Shouting a lie a million times will not make it true.

Sorry dear.

My dear tell us what will make idol worship true and legal according to Christianity.

Ubenedictus: u are also d temple of God does that mean u have "the fullnes of d deity"?

hahaha, my bible shows me that even afta d general judgement christ will still b at d right hand of his fada, how come?? I thought u said he will just b like u.

I love your response. It shows me that my debunkals were excellent rebuttals.

italo: Which Jesus? The one you call "a god" or the one we call "God"?

The former - NO; the latter - I have never thought of NOT following him.

Even if you want call Him almighty upon almighty times 10 raised to power 1billion, and you make an image of thieves, bow to it saying this is you my lord. You have succeeded in doing something worse than nailing Him on the cross.

italo: ...But we are doing what Joshua did...

Go ahead, make the image of Joshua and bow to it.

At least Christ never commanded catholics to make the image of criminals, sinners and bow to it.

If He wants you to bow to His image, He will do that with a command and with His exact image not the one of thieves. Don't you think so?