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Mr anony: I am saying that the 3 persons are 1 God NOT "Gods". Try to get it right first.

That is what am trying to get. And stop dodging the question. Cos it is very obvious you seems not to know what to say.

So are you saying that
1 the Father as a person is not God
2 Jesus as a person is not God
3 the Holy spirit as a person is not God.
Like you said, the 3 persons are not 3 Gods. Don't tell me am not understanding it or run away. Just Answer me so i can get it.

Mr anony: I would have thought that by explaining the fact that God is indeed 3 persons, the point becomes clear that there are 3 different wills at play. However, the meaning of Trinity is that these 3 wills are eternally unified. I don't know what else you want.

where are we going to insert the will of Jesus and that of the holy spirit in the bible? Let the church fathers decide so that Pentecostals will adopt.

Men and their doctrine. SMH!!!

Mr anony: Interesting. Now this is all I will ask you to do. Imagine I said these as a child of God: Tell me which of the following statements amounts to blasphemy.

1. The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is God, living in me, who is doing his work.
2. Believe me when I say that I am in God and God is in me
3. whoever believes in ME will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to God
4. And I will do whatever you ask in MY NAME, so that God may be glorified in ME
5. You may ask ME for anything in MY NAME, and I will do it.

If you are honest, you probably won't have a problem with statement 1 & 2, You may start getting concerned at statement 3. And you will definitely stone me for blasphemy by statement 4 & 5. Only God has the power to make those statements. It is either Christ is indeed God or He is the worst blasphemer that ever lived. He doesn't leave you any other option.

And those doing greater works than Jesus are indeed God or equal to God? Smh. Don't you also know the we too are in God? Does that make Him my equal? Smh!!!

It is not wrong to ask Jesus any thing. "Jesus, thou Son of God please heal me" and he healed them to the glory of God the Father. A way of reconciling us back to his God. Read Hebrew and Revelation to know the one that receives your prayer from the High priest.

Read Jn 16:23-28 and see who you pray to. See this "I came forth from God(how many persons?), I came from the Father(1 person), v27,28. By this we know that you came forth from God(how many persons?)," v30. Smh!!!

frosbel: anony you dissapoint me, I used to respect you , now you are looking for extra-bible ways of explaining a supposedly biblical concept ?

What else ? sun , moon and stars ? or maybe me , you and them

that is not the Anony you know. Check him out. I too was surprised and i checked.

Unless...

Mr anony: The day you understand that Trinity is not 3 Gods, that's the day you'll actually begin to understand your bible

Are you saying the 3 persons are not Gods. As in the Father is not God, Jesus is not God and the spirit is not God? The day you answer this well you will understand how men have synchronized your thinking with mens doctrine.

Godhead nko, are you afraid to try that one? Smh!!!

Mr anony: I say Amen to the above. Jesus Christ tells us to worship the Father. But what do we do when the Father tells us to worship the Son?

When the Father has given the Son a name above every other name so that every knee MUST bow to Him. (Phil 2:10) Will you not bow you knee to Christ? What about when the Father is glorified when we pray to the Son? (John 14:13) Will you not also pray to Christ?

You answered well but there are lots of anomalies in what you said.

I hope you saw other forms of worship i posted. Check your dictionary and compare or contrast them to the one Christ said we should give to God.

I will always bow to my Lord, my Christ. Did they teach you that you pray to Jesus? That sounds like what they use to teach us then. Please go and read Jn 14:13 again and tell us if he said pray to me or that we should ask in his name. See v16, even in heaven Jesus prayed to the Father to send us the Holy spirit. You pray to the FATHER through Christ.

While reading, think of Christ as the High priest to God, our mediator and our advocate with the Father and not what men taught you to believe which is found nowhere in the scriptures.

shdemidemi: Matthew 2:2
New International Version (NIV)
2 and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”

It is not by quoting scriptures out of context when you don't have answers. When you are ready to study, we will show you that they all never supported 3 different Gods in 1 God. Unless they are not Gods individually(ie each person). Aren't they? Can you answer that?

Do you actually know the meaning of GODHEAD? All of you are running from this question cos you that what you know is man-made. If you are not afraid of it, show us how it supports trinity. Dearth of scriptures are not allowed.

deSika: the thing is so simple i dont know why you cant see it. Why will God say let us make man in our image and then go on to say and God created man in his image . Our image - his image. How can 'his image' be equal to 'our image'. This is too loud for you not to hear it.

Please name any being that does not bear the image of this God. besides who is the God made that statement? is it 3 persons speaking to themselves at once? lets see if those spoken to have their own unique image. kindly answer these questions.

Things people don't know about the new covenant.

Hebrews 4:3-10
9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10 for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

Most people are still counting days(sat and sun) before they keep the sabbath because they dont know the true sabbath desired by God.

Hebrews 13:16
16 Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.

Most people are still paying tithe because they dont know the true giving that pleases God.

this is the reason the apostles never taught people to keep saturday sabbath. this why they never taught people to pay tithe.

frosbel: ^^

You hit the nail on the head Bro.

I know shdemidemi worst fear. whenever you quote where they put the Father and jesus together he catches cold. something like this:
Acts 3:13

New International Version (NIV)

13 The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.

When you ask him "who is God here"? to say it is the Father will be hard for him.

^^Seconded

FAILED!

ijawkid: You can as well ask the scriptures who granted the son to have life in himself........

There is nothing Jesus does or can do that was not given to him by his Father..

1.Creation
2..Ressurection..
3..Rulership


And as regards the Godhead definition...

Is God the Father part of a Godhead or he grants it to whom ever wishes??.....

I think they have dodged the definition of Godhead so much because the just say and believe what they don't know as true. dont be suprised, someone will come here and say that "i and my Father are one" means Godhead. SMH

@ firstborn of all creation= second Adam of all creation.
SMH!!! With lafta

what men do just to prove this mystery.

shdemidemi: If you cannot understand, it makes it impossible for God, right? Why don't you worry about how the sun seem to hang in the sky amongst many other divine works visible to you? JESUS IS GOD.

It seems you find it difficult to say that the Father anointed Jesus. He even said that the Father SANCTIFIED him and sent him into the world, Jn 10:36.

This bible truth is no where near what you believe-that he is the Father in the flesh.

frosbel: don't flatter yourself and pretend that I have not responded to this question.

Check the dictionary for the meaning of those words , I am sure you know how to use one .

He even ignored the one i showed him. Let him continue waiting.

deSika: chief, all you need to do is to engage a little reasoning.

In Isaiah the parties involved in the reasoning all have the ability to reasoning. Thats why man can be included there. But in genesis the parties involved must need have the ability to create, that rules out any angel being a part of 'let us'. So who is the 'us'. it must mean that there is a 'more than one personality' about God.

The two scenarios are differednt. Come to think of it. Why would 'Let us' be used. Do you have any alternative idea

There is no alternative my brother. I can't give our humble God directives. what you are not seeing is that He is far greater than man and He knows the best for man to even use "Let us" instead of Saying go and do this and that because i know more than you. Do you get it now? So having the ability to reason is not the case.

the same thing goes to the "let us" during His creation. Jesus told us that He learns from what he sees the Father doing.

Image123: Unfortunately, frosb will ignore such questions that can help him until time 'covers' it, I wonder how his conscience copes.

Have you also wondered if the isralites were taught by the prophets to worship man when you see things like " a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, “My daughter has just died" what did he actually said while worshiping him?

Definition of worship
noun

1 the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity:the worship of God ancestor worship
2 the acts or rites that make up a formal expression of reverence for a deity; a religious ceremony or ceremonies:the church was opened for public worship
3 adoration or devotion comparable to religious homage, shown toward a person or principle:our society’s worship of teenagers
4 archaic honor given to someone in recognition of their merit.
[as title] (His/Your Worship) chiefly British used in addressing or referring to an important or high-ranking person, especially a magistrate or mayor:we were soon joined by His Worship the Mayor

Compare these things to the worship given to God which must be in spirit and in truth.

Mr anony: My dear frosbel, you are yet to answer my question:

This is interesting: Now here's what I want to ask you: Where do you draw the line between [b]worship and obeisance? What is the difference?
Once you tell me, we will check to see if Jesus was worshiped or paid obeisance to.[/b]


It is still waiting there for you whenever you choose to answer it.

John 4:21-25

New King James Version (NKJV)

21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

25 The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things.”

Read carefully this english words and see who the isrealites worship, who Christ said we should worship, who is seeking true worshipers, who reconciled us to himself through Christ-Col 1:19-20, 2cor 5:18-21(do you know what this means?), who we all go to through Christ(Jn14:6). It is either you obey Christ, through whom God has called you for reconciliation and while doing so you are obeying the will of the Father cos Christ brought the will of the father to us. Do you disagree? Don't deceive your self by running around these things. you are not doing it for me.

Look! see! they also know about the coming Messiah-Christ.
You have heard from the Master...Worship God

deebrain: HIGHYO....WOW....ONE OF YOUR FEW NEW THREADS I HAVE COME TO LIKE...BIG UPS! The catholics would soon come at you...

After contending with me(us), most of them are now learning
Unless we have freshmen in the house. they will all learn to
throw away their doctrines of men-which is evil and worship God in spirit and in truth only.

John 3:13
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man.
1 Corinthians 15:47
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

I hope these scriptures are convincing. If you are wondering what he was doing at that time, then you have to revisit the angel Micheal thread.

Boomark: Godhead

trinitarians need to ask themselves:
what is all fullness?
What is Godhead?

Col 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fullnessof the Godhead bodily.

Note carefully that Godhead is dwelling in Christ. He is not part or in Godhead but it dwells in him. Godhead means God's nature, divine qualities. Research it.

Colossians 1:19-20
New International Version (NIV)
19 For God was pleased to have all
his fullness dwell in him, 20 and
through him to reconcile to himself
all things, whether things on earth
or things in heaven, by making
peace through his blood, shed on
the cross.

For it pleases the Father to have the fullness of His nature(Godhead) in Christ. So that through Christ God will reconcile everything back to Himself and no other person.

Romans 1:19-20
King James Version (KJV)
19 Because that which may be
known of God is manifest in them;
for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him
from the creation of the world are
clearly seen, being understood by
the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead; so
that they are without excuse:

This one will help you understand that eternal power and Godhead is something that belongs to the Father and not that He is in it or part of it.

Ephesians 1:22-23
New International Version (NIV)
22 And God placed all things under
his feet and appointed him to be
head over everything for the
church, 23 which is his body, the
fullness of him who fills everything
in every way.

It is God that gave Christ the authority he has by putting all things under his feet. But you are mistaken by making him equal to God after seeing the authority he possess. It is God that fills everything He pleases with His fullness.
Godhead is not made up 3 persons but God's nature or qualities.

If what you believe about Godhead does not mean these things, then you are swimming in the ocean of the doctrines men.

deSika: because its what the bible shows us.

But seriously, did you think about those verses. If God could use the word "us" for himself. Does that not send a message to you that this one God may afterall have an "us" personality.

But come to think of it. Why would you restrict a God who uses "us" and "i" to refer to himself to just one personality. Are you wiser than God.

How about this one "come now, let us reason together"?, Isaiah 1:18. How many personality are involved?
smh

shdemidemi: You can never be used by God without afflictions and problems, therefore, no one had a smooth journey walking with God all through the scriptures. We have all these stories in the bible to know the different dimensions of God's power. The journey of Israel could have been for 40 days, they had to go round cycles for 40 years for them to know and appreciate God. Till this present day, you can separate them from the rest of the world in the way they hold the Torah.
The story of Christ like your story was known before the start of the world. Everything that happens/happened is for our learning and edification.

You talk so shallow,
Acts 2:22-23a

"Ye men of Israel, hear these words, Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles, and wonders and signs, which God did by him (Jesus) in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23. Him, (Jesus of Nazareth) being delivered by the determinate counsel…"

What is a counsel?

Ain't you saved by the gospel of this same Christ?

If you were not coached to read your bible with the eyes of trinity, you should have known that what you are reading is SIMPLE ENGLISH not MYSTERIES. It is a pity that men has brainwashed people to start putting 3 person wherever the see the word "God." Non of the apostles taught this.

Acts 4:27-30 (NIV)
27 Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate
met together with the Gentiles and
the people of Israel in this city to
conspire against your holy servant
Jesus, whom you anointed. 28 They
did what your power and will(counsel) had
decided beforehand should happen.
29 Now, Lord, consider their threats
and enable your servants to speak
your word with great boldness. 30
Stretch out your hand to heal and
perform miraculous signs and
wonders through the name of your
holy servant Jesus."

Look at the prayer made to God, who it was His counsel(will) that we must be saved through Christ. If anyone rejects Christ, that one has rejected the will, counsel and purpose of God(Father) to save man.

Read Jn 14:6, 1Pe 1:21 and col 1:19-20 slowly and carefully. Try and put 3 persons wherever you see "God" in the bible and if it makes any sense. These things will answer your questions.

frosbel:
I have given them the glory
that you gave me, that they
may be one as we are one

shdemidemi: So who tells you, we are not one in Christ right now?

@Shdemidemi and trinitarians
Please can you tell us what type "oneness" described by the bolded. One what? It says being one just AS Christ and the Father are one. Teach us.

The worst thing we can do is to deceive our selves by running away or twisting the word of God.

@benalvino
this is for you. I hope you are not running away from it?

Boomark: If you want you can follow what the Indian occult masters are teaching...i no send!

WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO FOR ME IS THIS: If you are not afraid, Quote Psalm 82:6 where God called His children "gods" and tell God that He lied or that He made a mistake.

If you are not a false teacher(or an atheist) and don't have a serious understanding problem, do what i asked you just to teach us because it is in line with what you believe.

I want to laugh at the foolishness of men and their doctrine. No running away from this with excuses. I want you to put me to shame by doing it.

benalvino: we are not gods...
we have 6 billion gods... what are we ruling over? animals? in india they worship snakes elephants..
Egyptians worship pussy and dogs... does it make them gods?
the son is called god... which are all idols.. can you go to a man for salvation? the bible say there is only One God... god they sweet you... you wan be god what are you ruling over?

If you want you can follow what the Indian occult masters are teaching...i no send!

WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO FOR ME IS THIS: If you are not afraid, Quote Psalm 82:6 where God called His children "gods" and tell God that He lied or that He made a mistake.

If you are not a false teacher(or an atheist) and don't have a serious understanding problem, do i asked you just to teach us because it is in line with what you believe.

I want to laugh at the foolishness of men and their doctrine. No running away from this with excuses. I want you to put me to shame by doing it.

benalvino: Yes say what the bible didn't teach its not the first one... you think you are chatting with fools... Jesus called him self a god... you give me a big laugh.

someone like you who after reading ps 82:6 and Jn 10:34 still insist that we are not called gods can deny anything and lie for anything.

Why not tell us what Jesus actually said that made the Jews say he blaspheme in Jn 10:31-36.

benalvino: I chose not to reply you... there is no point... I have more scriptures but no worry. stick to just one scripture with time you will learn how to cross reference

[size=20pt]I can see you are a mormon[/size]
or behaving like one...

just because you cannot explain Ps 82:6 to fit into what you believe but never understood is the reason you called names. The gods in 1Cor 8:5-6 nko.

If you can't explain them, then what you believe lacks harmony with the rest and does not count.

Bidam: In the beginning was the King's Word. His Word was himself and was inseparable from Him. His Word was with him from the start. Everything that exists came into being through the King's Word; no other source of life exists. In his word was life, and this life manifested the knowledge of the King and his kingdom to the darkened and confused minds of humanity. But although the light of this knowledge shines brightly, those who choose to remain in a darkened state like frosbel, ijawkid,boomark cannot see that light.

[b]The king cannot be tempted but his word was tempted. That shows that his word is not the king Himself. This is because the King created his word outside himself by His spirit(power), to serve him and tell his subjects what His will is and do to it. The word cannot speak on it own accord but whatever the King says. Whosoever believe believe the Kings word believes the king Himself cos all instructions are coming from the King Himself, Jn 3:16. So Bidam and co who go about spreading rumors that the king Himself was tempted should ask Him for forgiveness.[b]

Mr anony: I am yet to see a single bible verse that proves that God is not Trinity

One God the Father, 1Cor 8:6.
If you disagree, then you have to explain to us.

You not the Mr anony i know. You ran away from my questions and appeared here as if nothing happened.

shdemidemi: And they knew these names 2000 years before your cousins were born. The Holy Spirit also appeared to your aunt, that is,your cousin's mum to say that which they carry is of God abi. Stop the foolishness and face the truth.

What of (angel) Michael- Who is like God. In other words that angel is like God.

If you put a question mark ? In that name i will prove you wrong.

ijawkid: please how about persons who answered
names like Eli′athah??.....Eli′athah means
" God Has Come'".........what about the name
JEHU??...Jehu means “Jehovah Is
He”..................
none of these names imply that the
possessor was himself God........the name
IMMANEUL is not an exception......i have
cousins and freinds that bear the name
IMMANUEL and they are not the almighty
GOD.....
Oboy na wa for you o........

What of Michel(who is like God).

Smh!!! For demi.