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biolabee: GBAMMMEST....

Mee234 disappointed me. I thought he would have answered your question after posing as a DL and know that they teach bible truth.

I just wanted to know why the pastors are angry. Did their children go against Christ commandments or that of men. This is the problem we are having: The children of God being disciplined in the church because of the commandments of men. This is the bondage from which we are set free through Christ.

shdemidemi: Again, this is not contradictory but rather a whole different scenario like you said. Paul is speaking to the Body of Christ, and James, Peter, John are speaking to the believing element of the Nation of Israel. And the Nation of Israel and the Body of Christ are completely different - that’s the way God has separated them. For example, the believing element of the Nation of Israel had believed for their salvation that Jesus was the Son of God, (their Messiah); they had repented of their sins and had been baptized in water. (Matthew 16:16 and Acts 2:38) Whereas, Paul’s Gospel tells the Body of Christ that, for salvation, we must believe in our heart that Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose from the dead.

In other words, there’s no reference to the Body of Christ. There’s no reference to the working and the controlling of the Holy Spirit with the gospel preached by the Jewish sect.

As for the Lord and King question. The church is Christ's mystical body, He is not the king of the church because we make up His body, on the other hand He is the king of the Jews -

Two entities make up a kingdom- a king and his subject

In the book of acts1 they asked Christ 6 So when they were assembled, they asked Him, Lord, is this the time when You will reestablish the kingdom and restore it to Israel?

The question was a legitimate question but Christ had other plans before that could happen which is the gospel of grace for the entire world.

Christ did not say no, it won't happen. He said to them, It is not for you to become acquainted with and know [b]what time brings [the things and events of time and their definite periods] or fixed [c]years and seasons (their critical niche in time), which the Father has appointed (fixed and reserved) by His own choice and authority and personal power[/

All i wanted is the scripture clearly supporting that, king to the Jews and Lord to the Gentiles.

We have one Lord- Jesus and he is the king of God's kingdom. Therefore he is the king of all, both Jews and Gentile.

The promise was made to the Israelites first before it was extended to the Gentile. That was why they asked him that question in act from where you quoted cos they where not aware it now includes other nations..

How the Gospel was preached to the gentile may differ because they don't have the law of Moses but it is still the same gospel of Christ.

It is still one King, one Lord(over all), one Christ, one gospel for two sects- the Jews and the Gentile.

shdemidemi: I guess you don't know much about these guys, they run away when you start quoting scriptures. oladegbu might come back to paste his deeper life tract and run away to open another jewish gospel thread.

So those things are from tracts? no wonder they are most times out of context.

@flourishG
next time use "shatap" instead of "shut y mouth." But some command can be insulting. Do not bring anyone down with your words. Bless bidam instead.

shdemidemi: 1) godliness leads Everyman to repentance....not the other way round
2) there is one Christ
3)there is one gospel of grace to the church ( Gentiles and Jews ) and the promise God made to Abraham (nation of Israel still stand)
4) there is one resurrection
5) only Paul got the revelation and the gospel to the church

Quite different from what you assumed, I guess.

The are the things he wanted to learn in disguise. He cannot humbly say, "Please teach me these things sir."

iv4fb: @seunlayi, now your statement got me really pissed up. What do u mean Jamaica's doctrine is different from Nigeria? Was John raised in Jamaica? Was Odih love raised in Jamaica? She was made and spent her childhood in kaduna, brewed behind d 4 walls of hyporcrisy, necessitated by the exalted position of her parents, and do you know how long she spent @ is it AkwaIbom now or Crossriver.

Don't give me that crap of doctrines. Don't hold brief for nobody, let's be realistic, we're not under bondage and we should not condescend so low.

I'm not saying what they did was bad but by deeperlife's standard it was so wrong that if were done by some lower pastors, even the pastors will be told to drop their portfolios.

This just shows the capability of the future generations of deeperlife, they'll certainly destroy everything the founder stood for. By virtue of standards in 'the industry', someone like John can inherit the church, what will he preach?

Who joined them before the altar, while ignoring her sinful appearance according to their church doctrine?

they have to know who they server in order to know How to serve Him. they are still confused, lets wait until they receive full revelation. until then, all their bible quotes to support trinity are all out of context cos they don't know yet. Including all that Olaadegbu has been struggling to post.

frosbel: "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." - Matthew 15:9

"They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them." - Matthew 23:4

Chai! Our God never wanted us to carry the burdens of the doctrines of men so we can focus more on serving Him.

shdemidemi: Bookmark, thanks for putting it more clearly.

To one sect He is The Lord to the other He is the king

One sect is part of his body the other sect is his subject

welcome.

Please explain the bolded with the scripture.

shdemidemi: Say it, attack the scriptures if you want to or simply explain what you think the scripture is saying. Shdemidemi didn't write it, remember.

Gal 2

7 But on the contrary, when they [really] saw that I had been entrusted [to carry] the Gospel to the uncircumcised [Gentiles, just as definitely] as Peter had been entrusted [to proclaim] the Gospel to the circumcised [Jews, they were agreeable];
8 For He Who motivated and fitted Peter and worked effectively through him for the mission to the circumcised, motivated and fitted me and worked through me also for [the mission to] the Gentiles.
9 And when they knew (perceived, recognized, understood, and acknowledged) the grace (God’s unmerited favor and spiritual blessing) that had been bestowed upon me, James and Cephas (Peter) and John, who were reputed to be pillars of the Jerusalem church, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, with the understanding that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised (Jews).

One Gospel proclaimed to Two sects of people- the Jews and the Gentiles.

I hope he is not accusing a brother of teaching/spreading Two different Gospel.

Bidam: Lol,the devil is the accuser of the brethren. It's no surprise his followers are like him.This is what happens when you don't endure sound doctrine.

ok, sorry o. But am still in wonderment of the so much confusion.

shdemidemi: I will, definitely. I am on my iPad now, I get really exhausted when I type too long on it. I will get back to you at about 3 pm when I am on my pc. Thanks

ok. you'r welcome.

shdemidemi: I will reply u 2mo bro

ok.
This one is from my main man ijawkid for you


2 Peter 1:3-4
NCV
3 Jesus has the power of God, by which he has given us everything we need to live and to serve God. We have these things because we know him. Jesus called us by his glory and goodness. 4 Through these he gave us the very great and precious promises. With these gifts you can share in being like God(Godhead), and the world will not ruin you with its evil desires.

2 Peter 1:3-4
(King James Version)
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature(Godhead), having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Remember when i said we possess this fullness of Godhead by means of Christ and its enough to make us gods, Col 2:9-10.

Colossians 2:9-10
9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity(Godhead) lives in bodily form, 10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

just take your time to respond to all them.

italo: Jehovah's Witnesses. LMAO!

You will continue to laff in ignorance. Yes! Jehovah's witnesses. NWT will help you see the name of the true God if you have not seen it before. Have you? Where?

italo: Jehovah's Witnesses compiled nothing.

They took the adulterated version from the protestants and adulterated it further.

Your own bible should have the name of God happily written in it if it is not adulterated. Besides my Jehovah witness Compiled bible is the one that showed me that making the image of unknown persons and calling them Jesus is very wrong.

shdemidemi: Godhead is the divine nature and attributes of God. Within the Godhead, we have an invisible God with an image and a Spirit.

Jesus as a major role to play in the Godhead. He is the image and the word of the invisible God, Jesus can step out of the godhead to perform the will of God just like He did when He came to become flesh.

Godhead is the divine nature of God ie something like his qualities. You don't go into His nature to look for any spirit. He owns the Godhead and He gives it to whomever He wants.

Romans 1:19-20
King James Version (KJV)
19 Because that which may be
known of God is manifest in them;
for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him
from the creation of the world are
clearly seen, being understood by
the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead; so
that they are without excuse:

Col 2:9[b]
For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.[/b]

Do you see how wrong your trinity doctrine is. Jesus did not step out of Godhead in the flesh. Its fullness dwelt in him bodily(in flesh). have you ever wondered who told the trinitarians that Godhead consist of 3 persons? where did that come from?

Hebrews 1:3

New International Version (©2011)
The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

New Living Translation (©2007)
The Son radiates God's own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command. When he had cleansed us from our sins, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God in heaven.

English Standard Version (©2001)
He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

International Standard Version (©2012)
He is the reflection of God's glory and the exact likeness of his being, and he holds everything together by his powerful word. After he had provided a cleansing from sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Highest Majesty

NET Bible (©2006)
The Son is the radiance of his glory and the representation of his essence, and he sustains all things by his powerful word, and so when he had accomplished cleansing for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
For he is The Brilliance of his glory, The Image of his Being, and upholds all things by the power of his word; and he in his Essential Being has accomplished the purification of our sins, and he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
His Son is the reflection of God's glory and the exact likeness of God's being. He holds everything together through his powerful words. After he had cleansed people from their sins, he received the highest position, the one next to the Father in heaven.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

American King James Version
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Image is God's nature

shdemidemi: where did you get that from?

lets ponder on this verse and the word counsel,

In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.

As we both know that Elohim(God) is not a singular word, we come across a word there 'counsel'.

Counsel is the interchange of opinions as to future procedure; consultation; deliberation.

coun·sel
[koun-suhl] Show IPA noun, plural coun·sel for 3, verb, coun·seled, coun·sel·ing or ( especially British ) coun·selled, coun·sel·ling.
noun
1.
advice; opinion or instruction given in directing the judgment or conduct of another.
2.
interchange of opinions as to future procedure; consultation; deliberation.

New International Version
In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,

New American Standard Bible
also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,

King James Bible
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
We have also received an inheritance in Him, predestined according to the purpose of the One who works out everything in agreement with the decision of His will,

International Standard Version
In the Messiah we were also chosen when we were predestined according to the purpose of the one who does everything that he wills to do,

A will is what somebody wants to happen at a particular time. When you are still deliberating on who to assign your 2 plots of land, it is not yet a will until you make a final decision. Then at the appointed time, your will will instruct(decide, advice, show etc) who gets the 2 plots of land. So God is not reconsidering/deliberating on His will.

I want to do this one separate cos you are now now making reference to joshua and others instead of Jesus.

Deuteronomy 18:15-22
15[b]"The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him[/b]. 16 This is according to all that you asked of the Lord your God in Horeb on the day of the assembly, saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, let me not see this great fire anymore, or I will die.' 17The Lord said to me, 'They have spoken well. 18 I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19It shall come about that whoever will not listen to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require it of him.

Hebrews 1:1-2
1 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.

John 6:14

English Standard Version (ESV)

14 When the people saw the sign that he had done, they said, “This is indeed the Prophet who is to come into the world!”

Acts 3:22-26

English Standard Version (ESV)

22 Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’ 24 And all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and those who came after him, also proclaimed these days. 25 You are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant that God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your offspring shall all the families of the earth be blessed.’ 26 God, having raised up his servant, sent him to you first, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness.”

Acts 7:37-39

Amplified Bible (AMP)
37 It was this [very] Moses who said to the children of Israel, God will raise up for you a Prophet from among your brethren as He raised me up.
38 This is he who in the assembly in the wilderness (desert) was the go-between for the Angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai and our forefathers, and he received living oracles (words that still live) to be handed down to us.
39 [And yet] our forefathers determined not to be subject to him [refusing to listen to or obey him]; but thrusting him aside they rejected him, and in their hearts yearned for and turned back to Egypt.

This is Stephen reminding those who would not want to listen what moses said about Jesus whom our God is using to speak to us.

italo: But I asked you who compiled the so-called book that you use, when and how, you had nothing to say.

You only know how to kill yourself over other people's beliefs.

I use New World Translation. Jehovah witnesses compiled it. and it has the name of my God written in it. I go for what is written(content) not the compiler.

italo: Unfortunately, that is what you erroneously understand from that simple statement of mine. How then can you understand the gospel?

I know English is the problem. you did not understand what the word because did to your english here. I believe the Bible is 100% true. Because it was declared 100% true by God's Catholic Church which is 100% true.

What do you always think whenever you hear the word bible...just a book that was declared true by catholic church? SMH

shdemidemi: I actually did explain that man is man and at his best he can only be a man. God is God, He is not a man. God made man in their image ( not in the term of flesh but spirit). Remember one thing, the bible does not tell us everything but it tells us what we need to know, so at any point where the bible does not say, let's try not to infer. The question is, does Christ have the same image as He had as a man in Bethlehem? We were not told but the closest thing we know about that is in
2 cor 16 Consequently, from now on we estimate and regard no one from a [purely] human point of view [in terms of natural standards of value]. [No] even though we once did estimate Christ from a human viewpoint and as a man, yet now [we have such knowledge of Him that] we know Him no longer [in terms of the flesh].

Was Christ no longer the image of God as a Man just because i said God also made man in his own image? to cut the whole thing short, the image of God is the nature of God not picture.

Abraham knew nothing about Jesus at that time. He knew God as God(elohim)

Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham and of Isaac
and of Jacob, the God of our
forefathers, has glorified His
servant, Jesus, whom you, for
your part, delivered up....

Mal 2:10
Is it not one Father that all of us
have? Is it not one God that has
created us? Why do you deal
treacherously with one
another,...?

Who is the God of the isrealites and of Abraham?

There are no three gods, there is one God the father, the son and Holy Ghost. The prophet that came after Moses was Joshua and many more came after Joshua.

Most of the things said by prophets, they themselves did not understand, they don't have to. Example of this is in Daniel 12

8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, “My lord, what shall be the end of these things?” 9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

There are no 3 Gods? so the Father is not God, the son is not God and the spirit is not God? 3 different persons who are independently called Gods will give us 3 Gods.

italo: Can you please translate this to English?

That is advanced Engrish. No translation is needed.

italo: When and how did he adopt Timothy?

I believe the Bible is 100% true. Because it was declared 100% true by God's Catholic Church which is 100% true.

If someone had lied to me that the Bible fell from the sky, as some of you anti-Catholics believe, I would not have taken it seriously.

So the scripture/word of God was not 100% true untill the catholic church declared it 100% true?

Smh!!!

italo: The question was for boomark, but if he has hired you to be his spokesman, then answer the question.

My hand no dey am. Demi can handle you if you don't dodge his questions. I can see you have learnt more dodgematic skills(dodgeous replies).

the handiwork of prophet bidam(fake) is unfathomable.

Yea i remember, demi is not aware that you believe in the traditions of spoken word which has no scriptural backing.

shdemidemi: Are you so blind to see. Is any man on the face of the earth infallible,? If you agree that God inspired the collation, why don't you follow what has been collated, why would you then follow humans who God used to collate the bible.

Are you that foolish?

You have not seen anything yet. For the sake of men, he will chose to ignore the scriptures.

Their church fathers did not compile the "book of the word of God" i use ie the holy scripture. I hope you use the same book.

shdemidemi: Are you so blind to see. Is any man on the face of the earth infallible,? If you agree that God inspired the collation, why don't you follow what has been collated, why would you then follow humans who God used to collate the bible.

Are you that foolish?

You have not seen anything yet. For the sake of men, he will chose to ignore the scriptures.

Their church fathers did not compile the "book of the word of God" i use ie the holy scripture. I hope you use the same book.

italo: God and Paul were never against making and using images. Quit lying!

Did God say you should worship Him with images. Didn't your church fathers tell what Jesus said? That we should worship God the Father in spirit and in truth?

shdemidemi: Jacob did not wrestle with the air, He actually wrestled with someone visible. He said, he saw God. What I want you to get is that, if the son steps out of the Godhead, He is not entirely God any more. The full glory of the father, the son and the Holy Spirit as one is what man has not seen.

Please what is Godhead and how is Jesus IN the Godhead? Use scriptures.

shdemidemi: 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

God is not a man, but He said, let us make man in our image. He is the same God that calleth those things which be not as though they were.

He is making something that is not him as if it is him, that is different from Christ being a visible image of God. Christ was not made to be an image, He is actually the visible image. Like we said earlier, your visible image is what you see in the mirror, your child on the other hand is another entity that is close to your visible image.

When He was seen as a flame, pillar of cloud and all, we were told. Like you said, His back was seen. Think it through, if his back was seen, there is surely a visible image to the full deity called God.

You did not explain how man is no longer the image of God or how he is. So you are now saying that the isrealites did not know that the God that appeared to them is Jesus? So God showed moses Jesus' back instead of His own as He agreed with moses?

Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham and of Isaac
and of Jacob, the God of our
forefathers, has glorified His
servant, Jesus, whom you, for
your part, delivered up....

So Abraham did not know that the one he was relating with, whom he called his God is Jesus(the image of God) instead of the Father?

Mal 2:10
Is it not one Father that all of us
have? Is it not one God that has
created us? Why do you deal
treacherously with one
another,...?


Mt 23:9
Moreover, do not call anyone
your father on earth, for one is
your Father, the heavenly one.

Deuteronomy 18:15-22
15"The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him. 16 This is according to all that you asked of the Lord your God in Horeb on the day of the assembly, saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, let me not see this great fire anymore, or I will die.' 17The Lord said to me, 'They have spoken well. 18I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19It shall come about that whoever will not listen to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require it of him.

How did these people know that they have a Father since God did not tell them that "we are two here o"-my voice and my image(Jesus). You have to address these things before we proceed. Remember we are not arguing.

Bidam: I think he has answered the question and it suit your belief,so why are you posting irrelevancy?

Answer the question. He said he hasn't answered it and i didn't see any.

shdemidemi: You did not answer my question...I said was makes you spiritual, you are quoting what a spiritual person should do,Please concentrate.

WHAT MAKES YOU SPIRITUAL?

I think i want to learn from this question. but why is he not answering?

shdemidemi: I take it that you don't know what makes you spiritual, You are as religious as they come.


1 Corinthians 15

King James Version (KJV)


15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.


You need to know these things cos what you believe might actually be in vain. Being religious does not save you, spirituality does.

Tell him!