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shdemidemi: You are also right here, I believe what the issue is with people arguing against the three distinct nature of God is that we try to reason things with our own logic and understanding. An illustration is When the bible and God see a couple, man and woman as one, we find it hard to see them as one cos we still see two separate entities and two separate people in the physical. Even as God sees them as one, the husband remains the head of the woman, In a similar way we see God and Christ as two.

I have actually decided not to argue about this topic anymore until I have a clearer understanding on how to perfectly explain the relationship between God and HIs only begotten son.

shdemidemi: I am not here to out-argue(eme) you. I will just put what proves God in three persons right. Like you have rightly quoted Stephen called Christ a servant of God, fine. Lets check this part of the scripture to answer the reason why Christ could be regarded as a servant and not even a son by Stephen.

Philippians 2:5-8
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.


please check that without being biased, so we can move on to other quotes.

shdemidemi: Who is gonna be the king of kings and Lord of Lords that would reign forever after rapture?

If you say it is all about God of Abraham, who exactly is the actor/subject of the entire scripture?

To whom was everything made? for whom was it made? To whom would everything be? who holds everything together as one?

frosbel: They don't like seeing anything that debunks their myth

shdemidemi: Bro, forget all the arguments. Pick up your bible to see what the entire story of this sacred book is all about, it all starts with Christ and ends with Christ. Stories from the beginning of man and during the angelic conflict before man points to the gospel of this same Christ. Trying to separate What the scripture calls the only begotten son from the father lacks depth of the entire picture of the bible as a whole.

shdemidemi: Bro, forget all the arguments. Pick up your bible to see what the entire story of this sacred book is all about, it all starts with Christ and ends with Christ. Stories from the beginning of man and during the angelic conflict before man points to the gospel of this same Christ. Trying to separate What the scripture calls the only begotten son from the father lacks depth of the entire picture of the bible as a whole.

Mr anony: good to know

lol, really? My op answers your question easily

Let me show you:



Wrong again, Three Persons are not each "a God" rather the three Persons are God. That is simply how God is: God exists in three Persons.


Happily, Now compare the following two verses

1Co 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

Now, compare the contexts

1. In 1Corinthians, Paul affirms the Oneness of God a in contrast to the polytheist systems around

2. In Deuteronomy, Moses affirms the Oneness of God a in contrast to the polytheist systems around

Now the question before you is why would Paul take the pains to mention the Father and the Son in contrast to polytheism? Was he referring to two gods, No he wasn't.
Also pay close attention to the parts of 1Corinthians 8:6 that I highlighted in bold. What message do you think Paul is passing across there? He is giving an explanation for how and why all things came to be in contrast to how a polytheist would use multiple gods to explain his/her existence.

shdemidemi: Philippians 2:5-8
New International Version (NIV)
5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

The bible says, Christ is in the very nature of God but made himself nothing. That debunks your Christ being a servant mentality cos the question is- was he really a servant? Of course not, according to that part of the scripture.

About Peter, you need to be very careful when reading or quoting Peter. He was not an Apostle to the church but to the Jews. The same way the ministry of Moses was fulfilled by Christ, and the ministry of John the Baptist was also ended by Christ, peter's ministry ended after Paul started his ministry ( as far as the church is concerned).

In the book of Acts-
Now when the people saw what Paul had done, they raised their voices, saying in the Lycaonian language, “The gods have come down to us in the likeness of men!” 12 And Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul, Hermes, because he was the chief speaker. 13 Then the priest of Zeus, whose temple was in front of their city, brought oxen and garlands to the gates, intending to sacrifice with the multitudes. 14 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard this, they tore their clothes and ran in among the multitude, crying out 15 and saying, Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you.......

JesusisLord85: Revelation 17 "There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. And the beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition."

The Lateran Treaty (1929) made Vatican City into its own country and made Pope Pius XI its first king. Pope Benedict XVI was the 7th Pope and his reign has been cut short by his resignation. It seems that the current Pope is the 8th and final Pope/King of Vatican City?

Reyginus: Chai! We've lost him. Smh.

obadiah777: * PASSES THE BLAZE TO THE BELLIGERENT LOGICBOY* IS THE NUMBER SYMBOLIC ? NOT REALLY. IT IS AN IDENTIFYING NUMBER NOT A SYMBOLIC NUMBER. IT IDENTIFIES THE SUBJECT

Mr anony: This is what the Trinity means in short form

1. God is One
2. The Father is God
3. The Son is God
4. The Holy Spirit is God

5. The Father is not the Son
6. The Father is not the Holy Spirit
7. The Son is not the Father
8. The Son is not the Holy Spirit
9. The Holy Spirit is not the Son
10. The Holy Spirit is not the Father
11. God is one being and three persons.


I challenge anyone to produce any bible verse/verses that refutes the above statements. And please when you do, point out which of the statements you are trying to refute and how your bible verses refutes it/them.

I await your responses


P/s: If you don't believe the bible is the word of God, please don't bother commenting. Your opinion is not needed here

Mr anony: SMH. Did you read the op at all?

Boomark:
That is what am trying to get.
And stop dodging the
question. Cos it is very obvious
you seems not to know what
to say.
So are you saying that
1 the Father as a person is not
God
2 Jesus as a person is not God
3 the Holy spirit as a person is
not God.
Like you said, the 3 persons
are not 3 Gods. Don't tell me
am not understanding it or run
away. Just Answer me so i can
get it.

Mr anony: Read the OP again. I made myself quite clear there

deSika: is that not what is recorded in the bible. Or you want me to formulate my own ideas ni.

Pastor Kun: And in which version of the bible did you read the hubris bolded above

Bidam: Mockers of the Faith. calling Jesus Christ the Eternal King an angel.SMH!

Bidam: Even if Jesus was a servant then. Can a servant not be like His MASTER?

shdemidemi: I am sure we both understand He was not a servant but He humbled himself as such for us. Referring to Christ as the son of God does not mean an offspring of God but He is the son as part of the Godhead.

alexleo: You made some points here. Not all though. Thanks.

benalvino: Godhead is same as deity or divinity. Jesus was fully divine by nature.

deSika: hey bro relax, lets do some maths. Shall we

the clue is there for you.
If 'his image' (one persons image) = 'our image' (more than one persons image). It therefore means that the more than one persons have same image and not different images. Do you get that

the God that made that statement is recorded in the bible as ELOHIM (the plural form of God).

My point is this.
The words 'let us' and 'our' gives us a very LOUD indication that there is a 'more than one' ness about God. You cannot just wish it away, you cannot deny it either.

And take note that angels can not be part of the 'let us' equation. As they cannot create and as such cannot be beckoned on to do what they cannot do.

Does that help you.... You are welcome.

shdemidemi: Man is not totally in the same image as God because, He is 'man'. 'Let us make 'man' in our image', God/Elohim (plural) said. Therefore Christ is a complete/perfect image of God.

nep2ra: Here was I thinking you turned a new leaf.

alexleo: Don't worry yourself. I don't have any problem with you. Its me and frosbel who thinks he is all knowing in the scriptures . Ordinarily I don't argue heatedly about tithe. Thanks.

alexleo: Its not your question that made me say you are late. I said you are late because pastor kun and shdemidemi gave me some more convincing point about this topic. My stand is let no one condemn tithers. Let people do as they are led by the spirit of God. Their points are very good and that's all I need then I pray about it for God's proper guidance. Noise making and calling pastors fraudulent and all that are waste waste of time to me. What I need in every issue is convincing points and until am convinced I ll not agree with you. Thanks.

alexleo: You are late sir.

alexleo: Stop messing up. You still soud your usual stu.pid and useless way.
Stop fooling yourself that you are a christian with your false teachiings of satan. My friend don't even talk because as far as am concerned you are a slave in the UK. If you want us to talk about status, run out of your slavery and come to Nigeria then we start.

JesusisLord85: Yes I know that passage. Now explain to me how you interpret that. TRUST that I will give you a clear interpretation. Now before you begin to type, consider this passage:
Acts 21:20-25
"When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. 21 They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. 22 What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23 so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. 25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality."

So Paul lived according to the Law, as did Peter. It seems strange that people think they did not.

See my thread about the law. I am studying this at the moment, as I am not sure we are not to observe it.

truthislight: Fourth FAIL!

alexleo: Yeah you are right. Until they show me where it is written. For example the apostles talked about not judging people concerning the sabbath day or any holy day, or about food or herbs they also talked about no more sacrifices of animal for sins as practiced in the old testament etc. Jesus amended the law of an eye for an eye, the law of thou shall not commit fornication, the law of thou shall not kill, about divorce etc. These are some of the old testament practices they amended but did they mention tithe as they did concerning the ones I mentioned? I VE NOT SEEN IT. For some one to come here and type fail when the bible did not say fail is an excercise in futility.