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obadiah777: WHAT THE HECK DOES THAT MEAN ? AN ARCHANGEL IS DIFFERENT FROM AN ANGEL. ANGELS ARE MINISTERING SPIRITS FOR THOSE WHO WILL INHERIT SALVATION. SO AN ANGEL IS BASICALLY A PREACHER OF SORTS. AN ARCHANGEL ACTUALLY FIGHTS WARS AND DETERMINES THE OUTCOMES OF WARS BETWEEN NATIONS. I THINK YOU HAD A GOOD THING GOING TILL YOU INTRODUCED THAT HEBREW CHAPT 1 VS 5 AND 13

Hebrew is what they can't crack. If the Son was an angel, that rhetoric question wouldn't have been asked. So for the archangel to fit into this he must not be an angels. He must have been created above the angels he leads.

obadiah777: HUN YOU KNOW SCRIPTURE ALREADY TOLD ME NOT TO READ 30 PAGE THREADS. IT IS NOT GOOD FOR MY BODY
ECCLESIASTES 12 VS 12 much study is a weariness of the flesh. <<<< LOL
BUT THANKS FOR THE SUMMARY OF THE ARGUMENTS. THE GROUP THAT SAY CHRIST DID NOT PRE-EXIST BEFORE THE NEW TESTAMENT NEED TO BE FLOGGED WITH HORSEWHIP

I ALREADY PROVED HE NEED. LET ME GO GET THE VERSES

Hmm...
It is not a group o! Just one person only. So you need to channel your horsewhip to frosbel's but'tocks

plappville: See you that doesnt err...Archangel Michael is your yahweh .......the holy spirit decieve you ?

Dont even say that....u are the fake/false prophet in this court hahaha.....i just be luck i'm on mobil this night...

That "erring" thing from him dey veeex me and also make me laff. Something like laffing with vex.

obadiah777: BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ANGEL AND ARCHANGEL BRUV. THOSE VERSES YOU QUOTED SAY 'ANGEL'. ARCHANGEL IS THE OGA PATAPATA

Ya. But that will be if the archangel is not an angel himself.

plappville: Who is in same page as you, boomark? See where laziness has landed you confusion garlooo Haha.. So the Holy Spirit has surdenly changed ur mind? I thought no one sees what you see. A strong prophet changing His views in pretence surely (JEsus and God) has same spirit....you are beginning to see differently.

Jude 1:9 wasnt good enough, John5:25 neither.
1. Zechariah 3:1-2 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the "Angel of the LORD", and Satan standing at his right hand to oppose him. 2. And the "LORD" said to Satan, "The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! the Angel here reffering satan's rebuke to God (Yahweh) u said no, it was yahweh who was referring satan's rebuke to "who," i dont know, maybe to you then a lesson for next time. Never jump in a thread claiming to know better than others. Just an advice !

You know the page i am on is a thick one. Hebrew 1:5,13, is still making me the invincible.

I asked you these questions:

is the Father God?

is Jesus God?

My dagger is getting more thinner due to over sharpening.

BARRISTERS: @Boomark,

who is this [size=14pt]Man[/size] with His sword drawn in His hand?

Joshua 5:13-15

13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, a Man stood opposite him with His sword drawn in His hand. And Joshua went to Him and said to Him, “Are You for us or for our adversaries?”

14 So He said, “No, but as Commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.”

can you tell us who you feel the man was who appeared to the pulic/human/joshua on purpose and being sent by God.

and

who are 'the armies' here

briefly?

Michael.

The armies are angels but may not be all the angels. Nigeria soldiers does not mean all nigerians are soldiers.

obadiah777: STRONG POINTS MADE. STRONGEST SO FAR. THE POINT HERE IS ARCHANGEL MICHEAL HAS THE AUTHORITY OF GOD OR CHRIST. CHRIST AND GOD HAVE THE SAME SPIRIT. HOLY-SPIRIT. SO EITHER WAY WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. IF HE IS NOT GOD, THEN HE IS CHRIST. EITHER WAY HE IS ONE OR THE OTHER AND NOBODY ELSE. SO THE OP IS CORRECT IN THE PREMISE OF THE THREAD. ARCHANGEL MICHEAL HAS THE AUTHORITY AND POWER OF EITHER CHRIST OR YAHAWAH.

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But i still think non of them. Hebrew 1:5, 13.

obadiah777: BOOKMARK THE NEW BASKETMOUTH YOU GOT MANY JOKES BRAH

You too dey crack my ribs most times.

obadiah777: AND TO PUT A NAIL IN THE COFFIN AS TO WHO THE ARCHANGEL MICHEAL IS

1 THESSALONIANS 4 VS 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: <<<< THE LORD HIMSELF WITH THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL. THE ARCHANGEL IS THE LORD.

I don't even know how to start with you but look at this.

Daniel 12:1
King James Version (KJV)
And at that time shall Michael
stand up, the great prince which
standeth for the children of thy
people: and there shall be a time of
trouble, such as never was since
there was a nation even to that
same time: and at that time thy
people shall be delivered, every
one that shall be found written in
the book.

Michael is described here as a great prince who stands in behalf of the people. And not the Almighty God.

In Dan 10:13, he is said to be one of the foremost princes. God is a king not a prince.

In v21 Gabriel said Michael the prince is the one that holdeth with him in these things: showing him(daniel) things that are noted in the scripture of truth.

Michael is a prince and he is serving God Almightty.

plappville: What....are you out of your mind? Michael is Yahweh? i almost miss this hehehehehe....

Let me ask you some question now, here are two events, i believe you didn't bother to read the thread before commenting:

The Angel of the LORD
1. Zechariah 3:1-2 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the "Angel of the LORD", and Satan standing at his right hand to oppose him. 2. And the "LORD" said to Satan, "The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you!

I don't know whether he feeds on weed or vegetable.

obadiah777: BOOKMARK IS A DRUNK. HE IS ALWAYS TALKING RUBBISH

Because i never reply the "bishrub" you are defending since you came here.

plappville: Hahahahaha....boomark is saying there was two Gods in heaven oooo, So the Bible wouldn't have used "ANGEL OF THE LORD" The small god would have been inserted so we don't argue anymore. Bro boomark don fall my hand, To you, JESUS WAS NOT YAHWEH, WAS NOT THE ANGEL OF THE OT, BUT A small god. please provide scripture before i take that your dagger from you

1 Is the Father God?

2 Is Jesus God?

Answer these before we proceed. I just need to understand something. If you no get am well, them i will be forced to test my dagger.

truthislight: my friend comot for road, you are sounding confused.

Just look at the sense you made up there.

point out the nonsense i made.

truthislight: the word public servant is a reference to governmental authority that attend to the public.

The spirit creatures that attend to the public are Demons.

But angels are are messengers/ministers to Yahweh in the absolute sense of the word angels.

The twenty for elders are also ministering to Yahweh:

"The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying," (Revelation 4:10).
"Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." (Revelation 4:11).
................

The act of judging making given to Jesus and the 24 elders is an assignment from Yahweh. :

"Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead." (Acts 17:31).

Revelation 20:4 King James Version (KJV) 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the
souls of them that were beheaded for the witness
of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had
not worshipped the beast, neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their
foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
...............

"Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations. And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel." (Luke 22:28-30).

This are all messengers / ministers of Yahweh.

Hebrew 1:7
NWT
Also, with reference to the angels he says: "And he makes his angels spirits, and[b] his public servants a flame of fire.[/b]"

This is from New Word Translation. Are they still demons?

BARRISTERS: @boomark

still waiting for your response on 'show a bible verse' and not your opinion that called angels public servants

again, can you pls add these alongside

1, who is satan ? is satan an angel?

2, how does satan came about having 'his own angels'

Hebrew 1:7
NWT
Also, with reference to the angels he says: "And he makes his angels spirits, and[b] his public servants a flame of fire.[/b]"

1 lucifer(satan) was a cherub, a perfect angel made by God.

2 when he rebelled against God, he deceived other angels who followed and serve him.

cyrexx: hahahaha.

Binding atheistic spirit?

So atheism is now a spirit? Allow me to briefly play along with you a little bit.

We are indeed Legion. Binding will not be enough to get rid of us, you will need to cast us and and if casting us aint enough, you will need to loose us.

But we aint going nowhere. The internet and even this website was created by our godless brethren. And the Atheistic Lord of the Internet shall ensure that disunity among you christians remains unresolved as long as you have access to informations on the internet. Our Atheistic Lord of the Internet will ensure that Frosbel camp never agrees with Anony camp who will never agree with Ijawkid camp who will never agre with Obadiah 777 camp who will never agree with..... ad infintum.

In the name our Lord we command further disunity among nairaland christians.

Amen.

We are still very much united despite our differences.

We know how to get him back. Plus including all of you atheists.

musKeeto: *pushes wheelbarrow with drinks, beer, alcohol for iNec staff and NYSC loanees*

Buy ur pure water here, holy water dey too oh...

Sprays holy water on oBadiah...

Buy your pure water o.. Holy water too..

Sprays acid on boomark...

That thing na pure water....

I have enough mosquito coils for you. If you trouble me too much i will use my hand or broom.

plappville: Thank you sir Boomark, but remember the Bible teaches us that God is one and only one being.
Are you now suggesting Him (Jesus) was a smaller God to Yahweh? Meaning two Gods? please explain clearer thanks.

The issue of Hebrews 1:5 you guys kept posting in refuting all the OT verses we presented is what i mean by using the word "contradiction".
Of course, the bible does not contradict itself, the problem you guys are having is you do not want to accept those scriptures.

After showing how captain of the lord's host recieved worship from Joshua, How the same angel bears God's names, How paul referred to Him as "that rock was Christ" There was no place in the OT that told us that same being doing all these roles was " GOD, we all know no man can see God and live, but the person that recieved worship was seen by Joshua. If you disagree this person was not an Angel of the Lord as he introduced himself, then you are suggesting him to be a smaller God. If so, where or how did you come to this conclusion?

God over all, the father is one.
In Almighty and Christ:
the Father=God
Christ=god

there are no 2 Gods. God is the God of Jesus.
Christ and an angel
Christ=God
angel=god

its just the use of capital letter.

Michael is a mighty angel and is in charge of doing so many great things. You guys say angels don't receive worship while the commander who is an angel received worship. Why?

I took note of "the rock mass which was Christ" which meant something else. Hebrew 1:5 showed that the Decree was not made to an angel. v13 also.

BARRISTERS: @boomark


thank you, but the word 'public servant' is not used for the angel, i cant remember seing 'public servants' except ministering servants im i right?

that's from NWT.

Public servants=ministers (ministering spirits)

obadiah777: ARCHANGEL MICHEAL IS GOD HIMSELF

Hmm...

Go and read some of the posts before i call you a false prophet. . Am not going to call you that now, may be later.

BARRISTERS: @boomark

2b, apart from being srevants, are there other angelic features either in apeearance or form/look that differentiate them which is not shared by other spirit creatures in heaven other than the duties?.

again can you pls explain who jesus companions are; [i]'your companions' [/i]in this verse pls;

heb 1:9

You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your[size=14pt]companions[/size]

kindly answer pls.

Romans 8:29-30
King James Version (KJV)
29 For whom he did foreknow, he
also did predestinate to be
conformed to the image of his Son,
that he might be the firstborn
among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did
predestinate, them he also called:
and whom he called, them he also
justified: and whom he justified,
them he also glorified.

His brothers(brethren) are his companions. The apostles we know kept him company. These people and others are those anointed as kings and will rule with him. They are co-heir with him. 1cor 1:9, Heb 2:11, 1Jn 1:3.

I don't know other features of the elders but they are not public servant. They serve God.

Christian Association of Nairaland(CAN), please let us hold a meeting.

Focus:
1 to choose btw Goshon and Anony.
2 to bind every atheistic spirit hovering around this section(including their mosquito).

That tiny thing has grown wings.

TroGunn: Techinically, there's nothing wrong is saying Jesus is God, a god,(as translated from Hebrew "Elohim" which means - Strong One or Powerful One), as long as you acknowledge that he's no equal to the Almighty God and Creator Yahweh. Jesus is really a strong One- Revelation 5 hightlights this.

No one is saying Christ is just an "ordinary" angel. (Btw "ordinary" angels are also called "gods" [powerful ones] - just one siglehandedly killed 185 000 Assyrians soldiers). Christ plays the role of the Archangel (Chief or leader of angels). Clearly, in this role he commands angelic armies to achieve God's set objectives.

I honestly don't know why people find it difficult to accept this.

Nothing delights Jesus more than serving and carrying out his Father's instructions faithfully (John 4:34) - he's always at the forefront of such. He set a perfect example for us in obedience to God. It's why he had no issue "becoming obedient to the point of death" ( Philipians 2:8 ). Surely, Jesus would not consider being the messenger (angel, if you like) of the Most High Yahweh something demeaning.

People should get over this already!

This one is for trinitarians. Of course Christ is serving the Almighty God. They don't want to know that truth from the scripture.

obadiah777: I CANT USE THE DOUBLE EDGED SWORD NOW BRAH OR ELSE I WOULD HAVE CUT LOGICBOYS EARS OFF. THIS VIRTUAL KINGDOM IS NOT OF THE LORDS. WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL PROPHESY IS FULFILLED

I will keep a super glue on standby to "staple" it back.

Logicboy03: It's good to know that I am not disqualified in this contest but only by your context.


Success brings haters. I didnt force anyone to nominate me, now did I?

thanks for the correction.

But if you call me a hater, i will disqualify you with immediately effect.

@Barristers

Angels are spirits, public servants/ministers who are made as a flame of fire, Hebrew 1:7

The 24 elders are not public servants.

plappville: My broda, you kw all the things? yet you are stressing further? well if Hebrews says something that contradict other scriptures that clearly prove Christ has been the ★Angel of the OT★ why don′t you find out when or why did the bk of Hebrews wrote this? Did Jesus pre-existed as God or angel? its has to be one of the above, except you have something new to enlighten me on.

Jesus existed as God not as an angel(god) or the Almighty GOD who is God over all. Godliness varies base on power.

Hebrew did not contradict the scripture. There is nothing to contradict. Hebrew laid the foundation. Until Hebrew is dealt with, what you guys are believing might not be what it is.

plappville: Waooh, see as you finish matter na....Kudos bros, i wouldn`t done i better!

My dagger still dey wait for you.

I never wan throw missile on truugun. I believe he can handle the issue of the elders better than he has done.

BARRISTERS: true2God failed predictions

true2God

true2God changing gear and making u turn, he agreed that some bible translations actually rendered malachi 3:1 as angels


[size=14pt]what a doom prophet true2God! chai![/size]

I thought we have dealt with this angel=messenger thing. The problem now, is it that he was called an angel or what they meant by angel.

John and Jesus were called angels in the same verse. You brought a proof from Revelation which shows that angels of the churches are messengers.

Using Boomark's uniformity theorem, we agreed that in that verse, angel=messenger.

itslordmoh: So what exactly does it mean. I'm confused here.

It means that the church people should continue to see him as their means of salvation even though all are sinners/fallible including the infallible.

Olabode05: Exodus 25:18 'and you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work you shall make them at the two ends of the mercy seat' and verse 22 says'and there i will meet with you and i will speak with you...' so from above you can see that God is not against making image of holy people like angels and saints and adoring him through them,because when you adore him through this holy people you are indeed adoring God the source of all holiness
God is only against bowing down to trees,rocks,rivers etc

Na wa o!

Don't you see that God COMMANDED and SUPERVISED the making of the cherubs(ark), v9. Because if the israelites were left alone, lucifer who was a former Cherub would hijack it to get worship to himself by turning the imagination of the sculptor to himself.

2 Kings 18:4
New International Version (NIV)
4 He removed the high places,
smashed the sacred stones and cut
down the Asherah poles. He broke
into pieces the bronze snake Moses
had made, for up to that time the
Israelites had been burning incense
to it. (It was called Nehushtan)

God commanded Moses to make the bronze snake for a purpose but when they start offering incense, it became an idol. Note that God commanded the making of it. With the same mindset you have now, they too think they are worshipping God through it. They worship idol pure.

TroGunn: The 24 elders are likely humans who will "reign with Christ" in heaven. - Rev 20: 4-6

Since begotten means to produce, originate or bring forth, Christ was begotten at his creation, obviously as a spirit being, being the sole direct creation of the Father. This firstborn Son was different from all other sons of God, because all the other sons were created or begotten by Yahweh through that firstborn Son. - Colossians 1:15-20.
Note that this does not make Christ the Creator, since he was carrying out his Father's instructions. His Father is the sole Creator or source of all things. Christ was the agent used for creation after being created himself.

Christ's elevation, after his successful mission as a human relates to the titles he then received as prophesied in Isa 9:6. Though he was already only begotten Son by virtue of his being created first and also an archangel being a leader of angels, after his death as a human and resurection, God elevated him even further. Christ is indeed very mighty - only his Father Yahweh is mightier than him in all the universe.

I know all these things but i don't know him as an arch angel. That is what Hebrew said not.

Read Rev 4:4; 7:11; 14:3; 19:4 to see more about the 24 elders. Nothing in your quote suggest 24 elders will rule with Christ. In Rev 7:13 one of the elders explained a revelation to john.

Answer from my questions. They are very straight forward questions. Or is there anything you want to adjust in the questions 1-4 i asked?