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Logicboy03: Lets address your claims.


1) Who told you that I want to marry a christian? FYI I also have an atheist gf

2) I am violent? More than half of your fellow christains have condemned me to hell or threatened me with punishment from God

3) I dont help the needy? When I have stated hundreds of times that I do charity?

4) I am not a humble human being? I have made fun of myself on this forum. Gone to the Islamic section and shown christians how it operates etc
I guess, I would seem arrogant to an ignorant person who is ridiculed because of his lack of facts

Don't worry, after the vote i will check if those things i said there are true. Lets assume they are true for now.

A reconcilatory committee will be set up to look into the matter.

inurmind: Infact we will also give u bishop oyedepo's blood of Jesus aka his Canaan-land made tasty time.
the anointing in that blood by far surpasses any MB or GB.

Ours is different. We give 90% of our income to charity. We are just happy making people better.

wiegraf: Ah, politics, why the attack on lb? We just want to hear why we should vote for the distinguished goshen over the international renown that is anony. Something valid, not vote for an xtian because you don't want an atheist to win. This here, good ser, is playing dirty

We have stated all those thing long time ago. Now is time for serious politricking.

musKeeto: Lmao @ boomark.. Round of applause.. GoshMb...

thanks.
*whispering to musKeeto:
Just do a little editing of your vote he will not know*

*clears throat* eh erhmm! We are looking at a super package of making the GoshMB a yearly routine, as long as Goshen360 stays in office.

This offer is a very "temptation" offer, don't miss it.

inurmind: Bump

vote for logicboy and u will all get free cabin biscuits

we are giving our voters digestive biscuits with lots of sweets and "chewing gums." :p

wiegraf: Heh heh. We'll also need a riot or two to make this a model nigerian election.

You guys are shameless. You're just blindly voting for your brother *smh*.

All the big talk folk in here give about changing 9ja from the roots, getting rid of tribalism etc... Talk. Yappity yap yap. naijah man is only concerned with himself. From what I can see y'all best get ready for more strife before we all go our separate ways. The way we greedy and myopic sef we'll probably have 60+ countries when we're done.

As his campaign manager, state your case for goshen good ser.

there will be no riot. The police are ever ready to handle the belligerent nature of some atheists.

We believe that we will unite one day. Cos one with God is majority.

Logicboy is not a humble humanbeing.
He is belligerent
he is bellicosious
he is aggressive
he is violent
he is unconscious
he is insultive
he is insensitive
he is a heathen
he dosent listen
he doesn't help the needy
he wants to marry a Christian

atimes e dey be me like say make i put my hand in side nairaland and give him a dirty slap.

Goshen stands for humility. He teaches and listen. Get ready for what is call "GoshMB." A free megabyte package for all his voters to visit NL for 1yr.

If i continue listing his qualities and all he will do, seun will charge me for advert. Not that we don't have money for Ads, but we want to keep low profile for now.

seriallink: Seems their plan is working!

e no go work for them.

Mee234: Mr Anony

Anony is our man but time factor will not permit to gather more votes for him. Instead of wasting it, vote Goshen.

flourishG: Tell yourself the truth. I have made my points clear. If Anony had been leading head-to-head with logicboy or Goshen360, Christians can as well unite to vote whoever they want. In this case, Anony' vote is way behind. Wisdom demands the vote should not be wasted. That's my point.

stop listening to weygrat, if he tries anything funny like rigging, he will see himself behind bars,

Logicboy03: Funny enough, that makes a whole lot of sense.

Anony tackles atheists, pagans and the whole lot

Goshen just sticks to christian threads and repeats bible talking points

it will be more senser if you edit where you vote yourself and insert anony there.

The most sensiest will be when you put Goshen360

Atheist:-D:
I vote logicboy (if the voting is still ongoing)

ballot papers for atheists have finish. Voting for Goshen is still on. Just look for "cleaner" and erase that lo....

Yooguyz: strong in the Lord and growing everyday.

Ok.

Yooguyz: I spoke to one about jesus recently and he was trying to start an agument (just like what an average witness would do)..i quickly ended the preaching and after much hesitation he agreed after prayer i told a vision i saw about him, he told me it was true..2 days later we saw and then he started asking me some questions and being the smart guy that i am i won him to christ and filled him with the holy ghost..any1 with similar xperience please share

Are you the one that Filled him with holy ghost?

Todaynatoday: ^^^^ That doesn't stop us from seeking the truth from God. Let this argument just cease because it's causing more division among us (this is what the devil wants). No more arguments, instead more prayers!

there is nothing wrong in seeking the truth. This is a case of not accepting the truth inspired by the Holyspirit. Or did the Holyspirit make a mistake? Was it a mistake that God is referred to as the God of Jesus in Rev 1:6?

Are you going to receive a new truth which states that a subject to God is now His equal? That 1cor 15:27-28 is no longer what was written there? That the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our forefathers(acts 3:13) is equal to his servant, Jesus whom he raised as mentioned in the same verse and that God, his servant and Holyspirit is what is referred to as the God of Abraham?

Are we going to see that One God who 1Cor 8:5-6 referred to as the Father is no longer the Father alone but includes the Holyspirit and Jesus? That God the Father, v23, who is a spirit, v24, who Jesus in jn 4:23-24 said we should worship in spirit and truth, is 3 persons in one God?

Trinitarians can easily make the angel who is like God equal to God because all they are looking for is where they can find the title "God."

I begged Olaagbade and Enigma to help me understand these contradictions according to the spirit they hear from, they told me to do it my self, that infact it is a mystery. I started wondering if the spirit didn't reveal it well to them.

I believe the whole truth was revealed to the apostles.

plappville: Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him


He never was refering to Himself as you can see, He is His father's spokes man.

For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it.

John 8:26 "I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is reliable, and what I have heard from him I tell the world."

The Father speaking through Jesus:

John 14:10 Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

Good one sis!

Trinitarians put these things and Rev 1:1 inside pocket as they read that's why they don't know who is who.

OLAADEGBU: As I said before, a man with an experience is not at the mercy with the man with an argument. Go to the thread below, there's a challenge waiting for you there.

https://www.nairaland.com/1139826/ever-got-jehovahs-witness-saved#up

I know that's how it will be, i have not even started. But beware of whatever you experience my brother, the devil is in the business of appearing as the angel of light.

truthislight: Revelation is written in a way that after talking about Jesus it will then talk about Yahweh.

In that chapter 1, after talking about Jesus the next as usual was Yahweh.

The title alpha and Omega = Yahweh

the title Almighty = Yahweh.

If you respect the bible you will respect its consistency.

"And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." (Exodus 6:3).

^^^^

it is obvious that the title almighty is Yahweh's.

All you are twisting is to destroy the consistency of scripture like you always done.

Just no regard for holy things in your part.

the bolded quotes are enough to show trinitarians who the God of the Israelites is. And His servant is Jesus.

Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham and of Isaac
and of Jacob, the God of our
forefathers, has glorified His
servant, Jesus, whom you, for
your part, delivered up....

there is nothing here to show the God of our forefathers includes Jesus and the Holyspirit.

Reyginus: Ijawkid will handle that one for now.

hope he will do that shapaly.

SimonAndal: Whuzzgoinon?

just type Goshen360 and send.

Reyginus: I smell rat

I also smell mosquito.

OLAADEGBU: Is it not hypocritical of you and your folks to abandon the threads I opened on this subject only for you to open another one here and then cry wolf?

Here are some of the threads your JW gang abandoned:

https://www.nairaland.com/1067350/another-look-trinity/7#up

https://www.nairaland.com/1038080/wonderful-truth-trinity/16

https://www.nairaland.com/531625/evidence-deity-christ/17

In another look at trinity, you could not answer my questions because i gave you no chance to manipulate, pages 5-7. The only thing you will to contribute here is to tell us that trinity is a mystery or that we should seek a spirit which did not reveal all truth to the apostles.

The spirit that revealed all truth to others except the apostles. The others that got the revelation cannot even explain what was revealed to them. The others received a revelation which contradict what the Holyspirit inspired in the scripture. They received trinity which the spirit did not fully explain.

The Holyspirit revealed all truth to that apostles that is why the word of God said "do not add do not remove." which spirit is giving you what you are adding? Food for thinking. Eat it and think.

I have things that are being ignored, can you answer them without telling me its a mystery?

Mr_Anony: 1. Jesus said God is Spirit and we must worship Him in truth and in Spirit. (Mind you Jesus received worship)

2. God (The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost)

I have given you straight answers because most of what you are asking has already been tackled on this thread.

I know you believe that Michael is Jesus Christ. Well all you have to do now is:

tell us why an angel will receive worship (something Lucifer tried to do and was punished severely for it)

tell us why an angel will refer to himself as the alpha and omega.

I will take a break from this thread now. I just wanted to quickly answer you because I got carried away with my discussion with Ijawkid and I don't want you to think I am ignoring you or anything like that.

Did you see how you failed because you are desperate to defend trinity. That shows you don't want to learn the truth?
1 Jn 23-24: Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed the Father is looking for such like ones to worship Him. 24 God is a spirit, and those worshiping Him must worship Him with spirit and truth.

2 You failed by telling me that the invisible God includes: the Father, Son, Holyspirit. Was Jesus invisible while on earth? You will always remember jn 1:18 wherever you think it will favor you.

verb (worships, worshipping,
worshipped; US also worships,
worshiping, worshiped)
[with object]show reverence and adoration
for (a deity):
the Maya built jungle
pyramids to worship their
gods
*[no object] take part in a
religious ceremony:
the family worshipped at
Trinity Church
*feel great admiration or
devotion for:
she adores her sons and
they worship her

Take note of "1" and the bolded.
The worship we give to God is as i stated in 1 according to jn 4:23-24. The worship the angel received is as of the bolded. The angel received HONOUR and ADORATION because he is like God. Zechariah 12:8. No one dare make himself equal or above God. That is why lucifer was brought to nothing and that is why Christ is subject to God his God.

Mr_Anony: You know what I actually agree with you when we read that Christ is subject to the Father but what I maintain is that it is a role He plays in the same way the Holy Spirit is currently playing a role of being subject to Christ. "Seniority" in the Godhead is not by who is sending who. Remember that God is one being from everlasting to everlasting.

I don't want to repeat myself over and over again. In my response to honeychild, I began by showing who the Son is before creation to the old testament to the new testament where He humbled Himself and stripped himself of His God privileges. I was going to continue by showing how He was exalted and how He now sits in a position of absolute power as God but I found out that honeychild was ignoring the post so I discontinued it.

In further discussions, we found ourselves face to face with Christ explicitly declaring His supremacy in the book of Revelations. I suggest you read my response to honeychild and what we have said so far on this thread. It doesn't bother me one bit when i see one Person of the Godhead subjecting Himself to another. God is one multi-personal being.

sub·ject (s b j kt)
adj.
1. Being in a position or in
circumstances that place one
under the power or authority
of another or others: subject
to the law.

n.
1. One who is under the rule of
another or others, especially
one who owes allegiance to a
government or ruler.

Role? I hope your not thinking they are acting movie in heaven.

I hope you have seen what "subject"? Christ is under the power and rule of the God the Father. You believe he is subject to God and also equal to God. Two contrasting things in English.

Stop referring to your reply to honeychild. You use it as an excuse. Besides that's not how to teach. You brought in so many things in one place just to create distractions.

You said it dosent bother you when you see one person in the Godhead subject himself to another. Have you ever seen God the Father subject Himself to the Son or Holyspirit? Do have scriptural proof?

I vote GOSHEN360!

Mr_Anony: I think you missed the point of what I was really showing you there compare again Isaiah 40:10 and Revelations 22:12-13. Who is the one coming to bring judgement on the last day?

Don't you know why? Let me show you.

Jn 5:22
For the Father judges no one at all, but has committed all the judging to the Son.

When you look at 1Cor 15:27-28, you will see that when all these things has been committed to him, then the Son shall be SUBJECT to God who put all thing under him, that God may be all in all.

The Son is still a servant of the Almighty God(the Father). DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THE ABOVE?

I was having difficulty with my browser but am fully back.

Boomark: @Anony
You did not explain 1cor 8:5-6.
Or didn't you understand it? Let
me bring it home to you.
For to us there is one president,
Goodluck and there is but one
vice-president, Sambo.
There is nothing here that
shows that "one president"
consist of Goodluck and sambo.

Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham and of
Isaac and of Jacob, the God of
our forefathers, has glorified His
servant, Jesus, whom you, for
your part, delivered up....

Do you see the one God the
israelites worshipped? God the
Father is the God of our
forefathers. His servant, Jesus is
not part of it. Do you disagree
with this?

Concerning the confusion
trinitarians are having with the
term "God", look at zechariah
12:8:

the house of David will be like
God, like the angel of the LORD
before them.

the angel of the LORD is like
God, which means he is
"similar" to God. That is why
Michael is the one "who is like
God." that Michael is like God
does not make him equal to
God. He still serve the Father,
his God.

God the Father is the God of
Jesus Christ, Eph 1:17, Heb 1:9,
Rev 1:6.

This is what the bible teach:
One God over all is the Father
not 3 persons who are Gods but
in one God. Definition of trinity
makes no sense according to
the scripture.

Try and refute these things
because they speak against
trinity. Can you? And let your
analogy fit into something real
not abstract or unrealistic.

I showed you these things, you dodged it and went ahead treating what someone like God can do. I asked you if each of the multipersonal being is God, you can't answer.

You are dancing azonto because you saw that Christ is God as if you don't know before. Just because you don't know the difference between him and the Father.

Let me ask you this simple questions:

1 who did Christ say is a spirit, that those that must worship Him must do that in spirit?

2 who is the invincible God?

Mr_Anony: I gave a response to honeychild a few posts above. I think you should take the time to read it. Also you keep misrepresenting Trinity. God is not 3 Gods. God is one multi-personal being.

You can't defend this your trinity definition. The multipersonal beings are they ordinary beings or are they Gods, ie each of them God in one God? Is the "one God" a title or a being that is multipersonal?

Check all the meanings of the word "by," you will see also that by=through when two or more is involved. God created all things and He created all things by Jesus. That God created everything Christ is out of love just like He asked Adam to name everything He made on earth.

God has no beginning but Christ has a beginning and was with God in the beginning. It is still in the same beginning that God created heaven and earth. Christ is the firstborn of God's creation.

Everything you said about Christ in your post is something a being like God can do. My post showed you who one God is, who the israelites worshipped as their one God. You can't say anything against it and it seriously debunked trinity.

@Anony

You did not explain 1cor 8:5-6. Or didn't you understand it? Let me bring it home to you.

For to us there is one president, Goodluck and there is but one vice-president, Sambo.
There is nothing here that shows that "one president" consist of Goodluck and sambo.

Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham and of
Isaac and of Jacob, the God of
our forefathers, has glorified His
servant, Jesus, whom you, for
your part, delivered up....

Do you see the one God the israelites worshipped? God the Father is the God of our forefathers. His servant, Jesus is not part of it. Do you disagree with this?

Concerning the confusion trinitarians are having with the term "God", look at zechariah 12:8:

the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORD before them.

the angel of the LORD is like God, which means he is "similar" to God. That is why Michael is the one "who is like God." that Michael is like God does not make him equal to God. He still serve the Father, his God.

God the Father is the God of Jesus Christ, Eph 1:17, Heb 1:9, Rev 1:6.

This is what the bible teach:
One God over all is the Father not 3 persons who are Gods but in one God. Definition of trinity makes no sense according to the scripture.

Try and refute these things because they speak against trinity. Can you? And let your analogy fit into something real not abstract or unrealistic.

TroGunn: "For to which of the angels did God ever say.." does not show the Christ is not the Archangel, just as Christ saying "Look at the fig tree and all the trees..." at Luke 21:29 does not mean the fig tree is not a tree. Heb 1v5 is all about highlighting Christ's superiority to angels in general.

You have reduced self to a one-scripture wonder in this thread, just so you hold on to previously held belief, though comprehensively proved to be inaccurate and with a lot of holes.

I sense we are flogging a dead horse on this one with you. It's more about your preheld belief than reason. For you being an 'ordinary' messenger of God means demeaning Christ, even though Christ loves nothing more than doing his Father's will.

The arguments and scriptures put forward here (thanks to every contributor) are more than sufficient to make a sincere person to see that Christ plays the role of Michael the Archangel (Chief or Leader of angels).

Respect must be accorded people like Obadiah777, who came in with a pre-conviction, but can freely reason and sees nothing wrong in changing their stance.

OP, what's ur stance? Has ur question been answered?

thanks.

Luke 21:29 did the work. Just want to be sure they are not two different persons who are mighty in heaven.

Jesus is archangel Michael.

JeSoul: I've submitted it to the supermods. Give it a few days. Cheers & merry christmas.

Thanks.
Same to you.

Mr_Anony: Not true.

The bible is not out of this world. I assure you.

The truth scripture has revealed is that God is one being in 3 persons.

1 Corinthians 8:4-6
New International Version (NIV)
4 So then, about eating food
sacrificed to idols: We know that
“An idol is nothing at all in the
world” and that “There is no God
but one.” 5 For even if there are
so-
called gods, whether in heaven or
on earth (as indeed there are
many
“gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet
for
us there is but one God, the
Father,
from whom all things came and
for
whom we live; and there is but
one
Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom
all things came and through
whom
we live.

How do you want to interpret the bolded and the one God, the Father exposition above.

One God over all is clearly written as the Father: one person.

Show us where the bible states that One God is 3 persons. We are not talking about those that are called Gods. But first of all interpret 1cor 8:4-6.

BARRISTERS: can you supply us what is meant by 'beggoten'!

beget
1. To father; sire.
2. To cause to exist or occur;
produce: Violence begets more
violence.

@truthislight and troguun

i never said Michael is an ordinary angel.

Hebrew 1v5 has proven that Michael and Christ are different persons. One is an angel while that other is not.