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italo: Get an English teacher.
You can't worship your parents and tell God you worshipped no one else.

Exodus 20:4-5
4 “You shall not make for yourself an
image in the form of anything in
heaven above or on the earth
beneath or in the waters below.
5 You shall not bow down to them
or worship them; for I, the LORD
your God, am a jealous God,
punishing the children for the sin of
the parents to the third and fourth
generation of those who hate me,

Acts 17:29-30
English Standard Version
(©2001)
Being then God’s
offspring, we ought not to
think that the divine
being is like gold or silver
or stone, an image formed
by the art and
imagination of man.

catholics make supposed images of Christ and Mary. They kneel, bow and kiss it while making their prayers. These images are of things that are likely to be in heaven, earth or underneath. This is a clear disobedient to God according to exodus because He said "do not make them or bow to them".

These images are made with stone, bronze etc and are made according to how men imagine the divine ones should look like. That is why the have varying images of the same person. A crystal clear disobedient to God.

With this i can comfortably say that catholics worship idol.

So tell me where it is written "do not worship your parents" and also teach us what it means to worship ones parents. I hope there will be no childish acts. Teach.

My missile wrapped in the word will always locate them wherever they go.

Giving them a section will make them go deeper into i.... Worship. Some of them need to know the truth.

plappville: Have you ignored the fact that He went through some changes to obtained a better name etc etc...this made Him unique among The other Host of God.
Remeber, God cannot change as the bible says, Jesus went through several changes. Now to you, if Jesus was not God before He came to earth and was not That Angel of
the Lord, then who was He?
8 But to the Son He says: "Your
throne, O God, is forever and
ever; A scepter of righteousness
is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness
and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has
anointed You With the oil of
gladness more than "Your
companions."

Who are the elders in heaven? Are they angels? This will help you see what am thinking.

We are focusing at the point of "begottenation." when did the decree declared? "You are my Son...."

1 was it when he was above the angels b4 he came to the earth?

2 was he equal to the angels?

3 was it when he was made lower than the angels?

4 was it when he was glorified above the angels after his death?

I want you to tell me yourself, let me be sharpening my dagger.

Lovethywilbedon: Boomark, I sincerely apologize for calling you a lier. Now can you or any of you numerous friends who hide behind the curtain to insult the catholic church be courageous enough to declear the name of their church.

Thank you!

I am a Christian. As it were in the days of the apostles.

Logicboy03: Please, stop embarassing yourself as a jealous hater.

I have already explained that it was the islam section.

You are hereby disqualified from this context. You may come back next year with logicboy04 or logicboy10 depending on how many ban you receive before the this year runs out.

italo: Yes sir, I get you. 'The Holy Spirit and Lord inspires millions of denominations to teach millions of different doctrines. He also inspires anybody who disagrees with a doctrine on Saturday night to break off and form another so-called denomination on Sunday morning. The Holy Spirit inspires one denomination of the "body of Christ" to say "Jesus is God" and another denomination to say "Jesus is man."' Thank you Sir!

But Sir, on St. Paul's dispute with St. Peter. Don't you see how the body of Christ dealt with the issue in the unity of the council? Don't you see how St. Peter how St. Peter acted and spoke definitively as the head of the Church in the end - backed by St. James?

Give me an example of this kind of council in your so called 'two or three are gathered' church.

When have all the so-called denominations gathered in a council to thrash an issue with the head of the Church proclaiming definitively the way forward?

Just one example Sir.

will your church agree to gather with the Christians so we can thrash out idol worship from their brain?

italo: I don't worship idol, so whether you stop worshipping the Bible and your parents or not, it has no bearing on me and my salvation.

Besides, you will have to first admit that you have been worshipping the Bible, your parents and your bed etc before you can tell me that you have stopped it. You can't stop doing what you were not doing.

So if i first admit then you will second admit? Read and meditate on the bible quote above. Delusion has captured you people. Even satan can lie that he is not lying. Gods word made it clear.

Do not mage image of any thing be it Mary, Jesus, lucifer etc and bow to it. You can't make images of people which aid you to worship God and tell God you made no image.

Lovethywilbedon: You see! That proves my point that you are A LIER. You said that you are "INVISIBLE". That is a "BIG LIE". No human being is invisible. It is a lie for you to say that you are "invisible". As a matter of fact, this is the second lie you have posted just to avoid telling us the name of you SHAMEFUL denomination. I still don't understand the type of christian you claim to be. A christian who prefer to SIN by lieing just to avoid stating the name of his/her church. You reported that I said that ""the apostles were called catholic church."" Guess what?. THAT IS ANOTHER "LIE" I didn't say that. Show me a post where I did. What I said is that "the church founded on the Pentecost day latter (after some time) became known as the Catholic Church". That is seen in the reply I gave to [plappville(f)]. Go back and read it for yourself. So even after I promise not to use the name of your church against you when ahead to tell 2 more lie. So far you have told 3 lies and that still proves my point that you are a lier. I don't know what you are even afraid of that you resoted to use LIES, except if this you is "REALLY A SHAMEFUL ONE INDEED". Okay let me make you anothe promise. "I Promise to Stop Coming After You With My "'ATOMIC BOMB'" once you declear publicly the name of your Church". SO ONCE AGAIN CAN YOU WITHOUT THE FEAR OF ANY EVIL DECLEAR PUBLICLY THE NAME OF YOUR CHURCH. I Just hope that this won't be an opportunity to tell more LIES.

You have to apologise to me for calling me a lier. I said i am invincible not invisible. Have you seen how you are lying an innocent me? ;( Also show me where i said you called the apostles the catholic church. Italo and ubenedictus are notorious in twisting another persons comment. Now you have joined them in their notoriousity.

Ubenedictus: This is anoda word play, christian vs catholic, kind of! He did! Wow! I'm a member of that building and the apostles are d foundation stone.

hahaha, oh, like wen u were born, bookmark was d name written on ya forehead.

no u aren't a catholic, that is probably becos u don't believe u were sent to d whole world to proclaim d kingdom!

Are you saying that catholic used the remains of the apostles to lay the foundation of their church building in Rome sa as to fulfil what he said "on this rock i will build my church." this is illiteracy.
Sorcery and rituals are now being unveiled. When Obadiah777 said it i thought he was joking.

I can't be a catholic because am not deluded to practice idolatry.

Ubenedictus: i guess bookmark na deeper life!

That is why he rebuked idol worshipers "deeperly."

BARRISTERS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question

Quotes

"The effectiveness of rhetorical questions in argument comes from their dramatic quality. They suggest dialogue, especially when the speaker both asks and answers them himself, as if he were playing two parts on the stage. They are not always impassioned; they may be mildly ironical or merely argumentative: but they are always to some extent dramatic, and, if used to excess, they tend to give one’s style a theatrical air."

based on the above, ''playing two parts on the stage'' ''suggesting dialogue'' the rhetorical questio in Hebrews 1:5,14 in our argument comes from their ''dramatic quality'' how? jesus became better in a dramatic way! he was made a man (less than the angel) then he obtain the name that fired him over every creation 'jesus christ'
so the rhetoric drama in this case rest on verse 4 of heb 1;

Hebrews 1:4
4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they

can you see that this rhetoric question is of dramatic use? you may find it hard to accept because of your mind's positioning, but thats no problem, it would be superflous if after reffering to jesus as an 'angel of covenant' in malachi 3:1 then the question 'to which of the angels did he ever say' is not ''impassioned'' but rather ''playing two parts on the stage'' and the other stage part is within the context; hebrew 1:4.


thanks for pointing this out!

You're welcome.

WRONG!!

Your big barristerish english will not confuse me.

See what is meant by dramatic quality of a rhetoric question. Barristers(b) and within barristers (wb). Assuming you have suffered and later made it without your friends coming to your aid when you needed them. The drama:

b: which of them came to my aid when i needed help?

wb: non

b: which of them carried me in his car when i was trekking from lagos to kaduna?

wb: non

you don't expect any of you friends to answer those questions because the facts are already there. *If any of your friends had helped you, asking such question will be meaningless.*

back to Hebrew.

To which of the angels did He say: "You are my son...."? Non. If not the question wount have been asked.

italo: The Apostles never even mentioned the word "Bible." They never knelt to it and prayed to it. Stop lying and stop idolatry.

If i stop kneeling before the bible will you stop worshipping idol?

Its a simple question to you, ubenedictus and other catholics. Let see those deluded by the quote below and would not want to repent because they believe a lie.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
New International Version (NIV)
9 The coming of the lawless
one
will be in accordance with how
Satan works. He will use all
sorts of
displays of power through signs
and wonders that serve the lie,
10 and all the ways that
wickedness deceives those who
are
perishing. They perish because
they
refused to love the truth and so
be
saved. 11 For this reason God
sends
them a powerful delusion so
that
they will believe the lie 12 and
so
that all will be condemned who
have not believed the truth but
have delighted in wickedness.

Lovethywilbedon: Wonderful!!. You must be a Very Bright, Brilliant, Clever, Intelligent Boy, for haven asked you question and answered it by yourself. You know what?. I Score 100%. So now you can Clap For Yourself. As a matter of fact this is THE GREATEST DISPLAY OF IMMATURITY I have ever withnessed in Nairaland. Anyway that is non of my business. Now haven done all the collection and parkaging WHO? then gave it the Very Name, "The Holy "BIBLE"". Is it The Catholics or The Protestants?. If you are Sincere to yourself, that You Are Not ASHAMED To Be A Protestant, answer that Simple Question CORRECTLY.

You are seriously interested in current affairs while we are interested in bringing you back to God.

You are interested in things synonymous to: who is the first president of Jamaica? Who discovered that mosquito can bite? Etc.

Who are these protestants you kept mentioning as if they stole something from you?

italo: I'm only trying to imitate you anti-Catholics. So if I'm being unreasonable, you know where the problem lies.

Jesus did not read the Bible! He didn't kneel to it and pray to it. But you do. Isn't that idolatry?

You are being childish. If you want to imitate anti-idolaters, you have to go to your bible and get proof. Or have you forgotten we got our proof from the bible?

Like we did and it says "do not make the image of anything or bow to it...." I also handled the issue of Holyspirit as the only perfect spirit intercessor not mary's spirit from the scripture. You better start telling us where it says do not read you bible. That is when you will start imitating us.

Or don't you have a bible/scroll?

^You can't rough handle me. I am invincible. If you will not resort to bringing your facts from the bulletins, then get ready to start acting childishly like italo.

Is the church Christ formed a building/house? You don't even know.

The apostles and followers of Christ are his church and they are called Christians. That is why my church is called Christians not catholic. You tell an obvious lie here if you say the apostles where called catholic church.

Go and read what the bible meant by church or body of Christ. I am a Christian not a catholic.

Lovethywilbedon: @Boomark....... I don't know the type of Christian you are. A christian who is ashamed of the name of his church. Wait! I forgot, are you an Anglican?. You better not be, well they are by far, more better than many of you "NAMELESS" protestants. Anyway I have piece of advice for you. When next you see Catholics being attacked just keep your mouth shot because it is obvious you don't even know your own church talk less of knowing what we Catholic do and what don't do. All you have in you head is all the faulse and lies you where told about The Holy Roman Catholic Church by your so called pastors. The main problem is that you people belive these faulse prophets so much that you can't even make researchs on your own to find out what went wrong. If you don't want to join the TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST, then you better stop attacking her. If you have any problem with The Holy Roman Catholic Church, meet any sincere catholic for explanations or you visit any of the following website and make use of thier search engins. [1.]Biblechristiansociety.com. [2.]Newadvent.org. [3.]Catholicanswers.com [4.]Catholic.com [5.]Ewtn.com THANKS and GOD BLESS YOU.

these sites will tell you what you want to hear. If you want to test the strength of what you believe in, bring it here and we will make it strengthless.

I am not in the Category of seers/lookers, i am an attacker.

the apostles were call Christians, so the name of my church is "Christian."

Definition Of Trinity:
Unanswered questions.

The Trinity is defined as one God
"who" exists in three eternal,
simultaneous, and distinct
persons known as the Father, the
Son, and the Holy Spirit. - according to Olaagbade.

If you read carefully you will see that this definition said "one God who...." so i asked "who/what is this ONE GOD who exist as the Father, Son and Holyspirit?" Is this "one God" a title/name or a being who exist as the three persons? I got no answer. I asked him to redefine it for better understanding, but he couldn't.

The most popular definition is: "three person in one God." If you still ask, who is this "one God" these three persons are in? I don't think trinitarians have answer to it according to the scripture.

A better definition would have been: "three persons referred to as one God." But did the bible teach anything like this?

This teaching is for those that never had the chance to study the trinity they believe in and also to make it know to all that trinity is the doctrine of men.

BARRISTERS: @Boomark


are you saying that To which of the angels did He ever say "You are my son...?"

is an affirmation? my brother it is an open sentence! and that goes for 'the unique first spirit creature and angel/messenger jesus christ' unique in the sense that there cannot be 2 of such angel/messenger before he obtained the superior name, who obtained/inherit a superior name that elevates him above others! ok? can we debate that?

see Ray foucher comment on that, he is not a JW

[size=14pt]"Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him."[/size] (1Pet 3:22)
[size=16pt]Angels are subject to Jesus not to another angel. Calling Jesus by the name "Michael the archangel" is not degrading as some think. It no more makes Him an ordinary angel than calling him the "Lamb of God" makes Him an animal. He is not "an" angel, rather He is "the head of" the angels.[/size] Compare:

"For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways." Psalms 91:11

[size=14pt]"But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?[/size] Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?" (Heb 1:13-14)

To which of the angels did He ever say "You are my son...?"

A rhetorical question is a figure
of speech in the form of a
question that is asked in order
to make a point and without
the expectation of a reply.[1]
The question is used as a
rhetorical device, posed for the
sake of encouraging its listener
to consider a message or
viewpoint. Though these are
technically questions, they do
not always require a question
mark.
For example, the question
"Can't you do anything right?"
is asked not to gain information
about the ability of the person
being spoken to, but rather to
insinuate that the person
always fails.

Source
[url]en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question[/url]

Ubenedictus: u are accusing sum1 and u are d first crying victim! Now that is childist and a bit of hypocrisy

Don't you see italo is being childish by repeating "stop worshipping your bible" everywhere? Is it because you Guys don't read your bible then other wount read. Don't you know the apostles encouraged reading and meditating on the word of God written in the bible?

Ubenedictus: just like u called joshua in d bible an idol worshipper abi?

That is too cheap to make me a scapegoat. Joshua lay on his face and never worshipped an idol.

Lovethywilbedon: My friend you have not even attempted any of my request and you have started attacking someone else. Is this a sign that you are ashamed of your potestant denomination?. Or are you a member of the NON-DENOMINATIONAL protestant denomination. Which ever one it is, we are waiting for you. Just make the name public and we will teach you the lesson of you life. And then show you that THE HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH WAS, IS, AND WILL FOREVER REMAIN THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE CHURCH FOUNDED BY JESUS CHRIST. You don't need to be afaid when your are "THE ORIGINAL" it is only when you are "fake"

The only lesson i know you can teach you can teach me is the techniques of worshiping idols in a modern way.

I can see you are more interested in who is the first, middle and last. If you want, be the 1st to go to church every Sunday while you are living in sin, it is invain that you worship God.

Read Rev 3:14-18 you will see how Christ will vomit the church/those that have turned away from him. Those that have resorted to the worship of idol. The church formed by Christ is not made up of idol worshipers.

These are the things you should consider. If you insist on being the first, then i will tell you that the first shall be or is the last.

ijawkid: Sorry to say this.....but u be MUMU....

Would you be happy if I called the scriptures ""SCROLLs"??....since the word Bible is your problem,let me start using the word SCROLLs....

All in an effort to keep engaging in idolatry you resort to childs play.....

Let me quote a scripture that showed Jesus quoted from the scriptures...or should I say Scroll??....because the same scroll Jesus read from we still read it....
_____________________________
Luke 4:17

##New International Version (©1984)
The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to
him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is
written:


##New Living Translation (©2007)
The scroll of Isaiah the prophet was handed to
him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place
where this was written:
_____________________________

Just like Jesus did I read from the scriptures.....I don't bow down to the scriptures nor pray through it........rather you are the ones who bow down to marys image and pray through her........blatant idolatry....

@italo

He has shown you that Christ read from the scrolls. Will call it idol again?

So show us where Christ or his apostles knelt before the image of Mary so as to validate its use.

Lovethywilbedon: Boomark just look at how easily an suddenly you denied being a protestant, just because of a simple request for the remaining "95". Is this how you protestant behave?. Okay there is no problem, I will give you two options. ...........[1.] Just give me the remaining 95 differences between The Holy Roman Catholic Church and the the Protestant Churches so that I will fulfill my promise to you. ........[2.]Now I have decleared openly and publicly that I am proud to be a Catholic and I will say it again, I am proud to be a Catholic. Do you want to hear it one more time?. Okay I AM VERY PROUD TO BE A CATHOLIC. (If you want me to say it 10 more times just let me know imediately you have fulfille my request). Now if you are not ashamed of your Denomination, just state and declear its name publicly so that me and my brothers/sisters will open the remaining "Cans of Worms" on it. Maybe after todays lesson you will learn to keep QUIET when Catholics talk.

Do you know me? Or did any body tell you am a protestant? I am a Christian my brother.

If you are a proud Catholic that ingage in idol worship good for you.

Look for those that are protestants they will help you.

Ubenedictus: u have already said joshua in d bible is an idol worshipper! I cant help ur delusion.

The same way italo wants to force parents worship on us. Joshua was lying on his face before the ark.

You guys are looking for cheap cheap things just to hold unto idol worship. You should know with this that your church traditions has a very big question mark.

italo: I repeat: Jesus never read the Bible! He never even mentioned the word "Bible"! He never knelt to the Bible and prayed to it as you do.

You can use many words to twist it but it doesn't matter one bit.

Stop doing what Jesus didn't do. Stop doing what Jesus didn't command you to do.

Stop the idolatry!

idolatry is intoxicating this guy.

It has captured your 'medular oblongatar.'

SMMedular for you!!

seyibrown: Ok o! #ayamwochingu4anysainsoffrosbelitis

but i and frosbel are One.

italo: Have you read the earlier part of the thread and you didn't find me bringing Bible verses to back up my assertions, or you just feel like saying anything you like?

Sincerely, the name (Jesus) that you bow to... Is it really the name of our Lord and saviour?

Is it what the Angel told Mary would be his name? Did someone hear the Angel say "Jesus" or did the Angel say "Yehoshua" or "Yeshua"? Did the Angel speak English to Mary or did he speak Aramaic? Same goes for God and the Holy Spirit.

God divided the tongues of men. It is written in the scripture. That is why i can call him in any language and He will answer me.

Show me where He divided the images of Jesus to look like different human beings. I have told you satan and his demons must have taken advantage of those uncensored graven images that lack design specification to represent themselves and receive reverence and bow from catholics.

Looking for a scapegoat to go down with you? E no go work. Pride will not help you.

obadiah777: BASICALLY MEANS IF YOU TRY TO CONVERT SOMEONE AND THEY ARE BEING STUBBORN, DUST YOUR FEET AND KEEP IT MOVING BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT GET MORE THAN THE PEOPLE THE LORD HAS APPOINTED WILL BE CONVERTED INTO THE FOLD.

NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

I can see you were ganganized while typing this. That should have been spiritual conversion "gbon gbon clak."

*what's the meaning of that*

italo: What about the images (idols) on your phone and laptop? Are they real or I'm just imagining them?

You will soon ask me if the plate Christ ate from is an idol.

Those images you pope/bishop offer incense to are idols. The images you kneel and bow to are idols. Those images which may represent the image of lucifer and some opportunistic demons you use as a prayer aid are idol. I have told you, the Holyspirit should be your aid.

Stop the proliferation of idol worship.

italo: @ Boomark, I think a little child has been typing on your laptop.

Am glad you can now see how you have been acting. Accusing people of worshiping their pastors, church fathers and parents as an excuse to keep worshipping idol. That is very childish.

Before you call me slowpoke again, explain this verse in line with your explanation of mt 16:28.

Matthew 10:23
King James Version (KJV)
23 But when they persecute you in
this city, flee ye into another: for
verily I say unto you, Ye shall not
have gone over the cities of Israel,
till the Son of man be come.

^it seems you didn't read what truthislight wrote up there about Stephen seeing Christ in his kingdom.