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One God: The Father

1 Corinthians 8:4-6
New International Version (NIV)
4 So then, about eating food
sacrificed to idols: We know that
“An idol is nothing at all in the
world” and that “There is no God
but one.” 5 For even if there are so-
called gods, whether in heaven or
on earth (as indeed there are many
“gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for
us there is but one God, the Father,
from whom all things came and for
whom we live; and there is but one
Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom
all things came and through whom
we live.

Deut 6:4
Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God is one LORD.

Eph 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in all.

1Tim2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified His servant, Jesus, whom you, for your part, delivered up....

Mal 2:10
Is it not one Father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why do you deal treacherously with one another,...?

Mt 23:9
Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly one.

The bible clearly shows that there is one God who is the Father. The God that the Israelites worship, who is different from His servant, Jesus, acts 3:13.

Trinity, being the doctrine of men contradicts these bible verses by saying that one God consist of 3 different persons: Father, Son and Holyspirit. Their is no where it is written in the bible.

What is written is that God is one and He is the Father, who is God over all, including our Lord Jesus, Eph 1:17.

BARRISTERS: @Boomark


Yoooowah! see it below,it was 'fuffiled'........... when it was made is not the issue, but it was after his death! paul aknowledge!

Acts 13:33

''he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus. As it is written in the second Psalm: "'You are my Son; today I have become your Father.''

Jn 3:16

"for God loved the world so much that He gave His only begotten Son,...."

How did he become the only begotten son before his resurrection?

@truthislight

Is Michael an ordinary angel?

@ijawkid

One of the Chief princes is not referring to joint princes of God and those of Satan. They are not of the same kingdom. There are other princes who are not cheifs.

truthislight: boomark is now teaching Anony!
*Smh*

Anony leave trinity alone please!

Abeg, make every body help me beg Anony o!

"Lets be our brothers keeper"

We have tried for you o!

Leave trinity alone! Leave trinity alone!! Leave trinity!!!
Hmmm!

That's the purpose of this thread. To teach trinitarians.

BARRISTERS: @boomark

an heir

he was appointed 'an heir' not when in the heaven;

bolded above, heb 1 verse 2;whom He [size=14pt]has appointed[/size] heir of all things.

his appoitment as heir of all things. is confirmed after his fuffilment on earth;

phill 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name.

that is the [b]dramatic answer [/b]the rhetoric question is trying to pose, im only trating verse 2 alongside because it is parrallel with verse 4, which highlight jesus rise after his obtaining 'a better' name!

So the decree "You are my son..." was made after his stay on earth?

@barristers

Rhetoric questions has answer ready for it. If you are asking so many questions without answers or the following questions implying the answer, then what you are asking is a direct question.
As an heir and due to his inheritance, he was better than the angels and not at their level or one of them.

Mr_Anony: Good so now we are looking at context. When you read from verse 1, you see that Paul was writing to tell the Christians in Philippians to humble themselves to one another. The best example He used was Christ by telling them that Christ is equal to God but brought Himself low.

Let me bring it home to you:

Imagine that you are in church and one brother asked you to sweep the church and you respond by saying "A whole me, how dare you ask a big boy like me to sweep the church?!"

At this, another brother now pulls you aside and points to one other guy quietly cleaning the toilet and says: "You should emulate brother Tunde, even though he is the same status as Goodluck Jonathan, he is not taking advantage of his equality with the president but has humbled himself and taken the status of a servant

That is the context in which that verse was written. If that verse is not enough proof to you then I don't know what else you want.

It was because of His Humility that Christ came, suffered and died for us.

Are you sure you brought it home to me? Can this happen in real life? Who is equal to the president?

You analogy can't happen in Nigeria. Goodluck is the number one and has no equal.

You should have said that i should emulate tunde who is from the presidency but is sweeping the church.

Tunde did not use his presidency nature to his advantage but was serving in the church.

@Anony

Isaiah 42:1-8 (NIV)
The Servant of the LORD
1 "Here is my servant, whom I
uphold, MY CHOSEN ONE in whom
I
delight; I will put my Spirit on
him
and he will bring justice to the
nations. 2 He will not shout or cry
out, or raise his voice in the
streets.
3 A bruised reed he will not
break,
and a smoldering wick he will not
snuff out. In faithfulness he will
bring forth justice; 4 he will not
falter or be discouraged till he
establishes justice on earth. In his
law the islands will put their
hope." 5 This is what God the
LORD
says-- he who created the
heavens
and stretched them out, who
spread out the earth and all that
comes out of it, who gives breath
to its people, and life to those
who
walk on it: 6 "I, the LORD, have
called you in righteousness; I will
take hold of your hand. I will
keep
you and will make you to be a
covenant for the people and a
light
for the Gentiles, 7 to open eyes
that are blind, to free captives
from
prison and to release from the
dungeon those who sit in
darkness. 8 "I am the LORD; that
is
my name! I will not give my
glory
to another or my praise to idols.


It is very clear that God, the Father chose him. The Father called him in righteousness to do greater service for him.

Remember php 2:5 said "let this mind be in you, which is also in Christ Jesus."

king Saul was chosen by God but Saul chose to disobey God. The mind in him is not that of a servant to God.

Christ was chosen by God the Father, His God and Christ has chosen to obey his Father.

@Anony

Phillipians 2:6: Who, being in
very nature God,
did not consider equality with
God something to be used to
his own advantage;

You have been reading this out of context.

v5 says "let this mind be in you which is in Christ jesus." this is trying to show us the mindset of Christ as he serve. Believers should not be boastful no matter the power they have.

Who, being in the very nature(form) of God: An ordinary man is a god. A man filled with the Holyspirit is a god greater than an ordinary man. How much more the lamb of God filled with the seven spirits of God, Rev 5:6. The Father promised to put His spirit upon him, mt 12:18.
So he is a God.

did not consider equality with
God something to be used to
his own advantage;
If Christ should raise himself equal to his Godly nature(ie the state where he is God not the Father o), he would have ruled as king on earth. The pharisees would tremble at his feet. No body will dare plot to kill him or spit on him. While they were flogging him, he would have commanded the angels to release him and to beat a hell out of those soldiers. He never used it to save himself ie to his advantage.

But he was obedient to the will of the Father(luke 22:42) to the point of death.

truthislight: how can you be standing the central doctrine of christiandom on a video?

Is the bible no longer enough?

If you should simply tell us that trinity is not standing on the bible but on a video we will all leave you and your trinity and mind our ways and you mind yours.

If that is the case, fine and well, and dont use the bible next time to paint it.

If you say it is the bible, then address the op.

Those shapes you are showing in that video are the same shapes that church of satan also makes use of in their illustrations.

Are you saying that the throne of Yahweh and the throne of satan have those in common?

I thought the two "temples cannot shear" things

My broda i wonder o!

It goes to show that trinity did not originate from the scripture.

# Is the Republican party the
best? I think not. Why else were
they beaten? Because they are no
longer in touch with the people.

# Are they ministers of Christ? I
am talking like a madman--I am
a better one..." II Cor. 11:22-23.
so also, verse 4 and 5 of hebrews

1, were to be read altogether [/
i]this way (see the bridge
between vs4 and 5 in the first
word in vs5 'for')the answer is
contained in verse 4, fortunately
provided by the same writer;
hebrews 1:4-5;
4, Being made so much better
than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more
excellent name than they.
5, For unto which of the angels
said he at any time, Thou art my
Son, this day have I begotten
thee? And again, I will be to him
a Father, and he shall be to me a
Son?
[i]''To which of the angels did He
say: "You are my son...."? is
criminally seperated from a
context,thereby rendering it
impotent.
the point here is that the answer
is within the context and the
writer presents it in a technical
way, hence the argument!
Anthypophora uses the principle
of rhetorical questions to ask
questions which the speaker
wishes to answer. as you see
above.
Boomark

Rhetorical questions always have an already made answer for it which ever type of rhetorical question it is. So tell us the answer to Hebrew 1:5.

The decree is the focal point. You said the answer should be within the context, why then do you criminally separate v5 from the context?

obadiah777: YOU ARE RIGHT. AND I DID ERR A LITTLE YESTERDAY. YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW I KNOW THAT THE ARCHANGEL MICHEAL IS CHRIST ? CHRIST IS FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH AND CAME TO DIE FOR ISRAEL. MATTHEW 15 VS 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. <<<< SO CHRIST IS AN ISRAELITE FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH ( HEBREW 7 VS 14 ) WHO CAME TO GIVE SALVATION TO THE ELECT OF ISRAEL.

AND IN SPEAKING TO DANIEL, ALSO AN ELECT OF ISRAEL THIS IS WHAT THE LORD TOLD HIM

DANIEL 12 VS 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people <<< JESUS AS MICHEAL STANDING UP FOR DANIELS PEOPLE WHO WILL BE ISRAEL. CASE CLOSED

This was how you closed a case yesterday. I opened it again.

Try that Hebrew verses and see.

Christ is still a messenger now but not an angel. He still possess flaming fire looks.

plappville: Good question, thats far bk, maybe p7 - p10 icant scroll bk now. It's not important, just, for joke sake....

Yea, i now remember he has a group. That article is one his group members.

TroGunn: The fact that the Archangel is also a prince should be another pointer to Christ. Being a prince denotes rulership. Christ is clearly Prince of Peace. Doubt you have other angels being referred to as Prince other than Michael. If Michael is not Christ, which kingdom does he/will he rule?
About this 'ordinary' angel matter, while not looking down on the service of God's faithful angels, Michael being Archangel clearly is more superior to the angels he leads.

Daniel 10:13
New International Version (NIV)
13 But the prince of the Persian
kingdom resisted me twenty-one
days. Then Michael, one of the chief
princes, came to help me, because I
was detained there with the king
of Persia.

Chief/foremost princes is not just one person. They are more than one. Michael is the prince of the people.

Mr_Anony: My dear friend just watch the video first then we'll talk.

I would love to watch your video but can't.

Many where shocked by it. Many did not know such scriptures existed. Its a shocker to trinitarians. A "no way out thread" debunking trinity from the root.

JeSoul, please let this thread make it to the front page.

[url]nairaland.com/1127181/Jesus-Christ-servant-of-God-trinity-debunked-again[/url]

plappville: Nice thread......this one is hits thé trinity dogma strongly.... No way to dordge.... @Boomark you're so on point Scripturally, Good work...bro!

thanks.

I strategically deleted their hiding place. I will need your support and others in case they want to build another tower of babel.

Bélla3: hehehe

just be careful. Logicboy gave him some biscuits and he voted for him(logicboy).

Mr_Anony: Perhaps you should watch the video first for yourself instead of placing your faith on frosbel's synopsis

Will the video debunk everything that is on the first page? The way this thread was started is to make trinitarians have no say from the scripture.

frosbel: Don't even bother , it's the same old rehash of trying to explain God with unbiblical Trinity concepts and symbols.

A quick summary of the first 2 minutes :

1. God cannot be fully understood

2. Says God cannot be only spirit , has to be more than spirit.

Well we all know that this flies in the face of scripture , where God is said to be a spirit.

And guess what , it was JESUS who said his father is Spirit.

"For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth." - John 4:24

3. The he starts talking nonsense about God being a 3-dimensional using pagan symbols to buttress his point.

example :

[img]http://wcdpittsburgh.files./2012/03/triquetra.png?w=192&h=180[/img]

4. Then he goes on about hyper-dimensions, etc to explain the Trinity.

Obviously he cannot use scripture to support his fallacy.

Thanks frosbel.

Doctrine of men at work. Which one is 3-dimensional again? As if they are the ones that made GOD how he is.

@Mr Anony

So i gave you things reasoned out from the scripture to enjoy but you gave me pagan doctrine to enjoy.
SMH!!

plappville: Did you ignore @Frosbel's likes?

On pre-existence? Who are they?

plappville: No, you are still getting it all wrong, Why are you saying including "Archangel Michael"? Michael & Jesus = same person.

Archangel is an Angel, but He plays unique roles, He has authourities other angels have not.
So He has not thesame reward/name as his compagnion. Remember when God warns the Israelite in (Exodus 23:02-23)
And this same event Paul clearly made plain to us that It was Christ, (1 Corinthians 10:1-4) you are yet to open heart to accept this

Do you think the Exodus 23:02-23 "Angel" was an ordinary Angel?
The truth is that, Those Hebrews verses are simple to understand when studied with no bias mind.

Hebrew disagree with that.

The archangel is great and a prince too. A princely angel has more honour than other angels.

truthislight: if michael is not Jesus christ then how many persons are allowed to receive worship in among Yahweh's loyal organisation?

I asked you to point out the nonsense i wrote before but you didn't. I asked you if Michael is an ordinary angel, you didn't answer.

Mr_Anony: Enjoy this video and relax...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUy-H5MmeGU

I can't watch the video with my phone.

Would you mind explaining briefly what it says.

Mr_Anony: Start another thread and link it here.

Enjoy this one and cool down.
[url]nairaland.com/1127181/jesus-christ-servant-of-God-trinity-debunked-again[/url]

obadiah777: THOSE VERSES ? HEBREW 1 VS 5 AND 13 MEANS THERE IS ONLY ONE CHRIST. ONLY ONE SAVIOR. THATS ALL ITS SAYING.AND THAT CHRIST IS ABOVE ALL THE ANGELS. THATS IT

Ya. Including the mighty archangel Michael. But they disagree. This is the bone of contention.

truthislight: all spirit creatures that do the bidding of Yahweh are messengers and that automaticall qualifies all to be called angels.

But of all, Jesus christ is the unique.

Jesus christ is the first of them all.

jesus is outstanding one since he is Yahweh's spoken = the word.

Jesus christ is the one that Yahweh used in creating all things. 1 col 1:15-17.

Jesus is the leader of Yahweh army.

Jesus s an only beggoton son of Yahweh.

So, "to which of the angels" is a statement meant to highlight Jesus uniqueness. The foremost one.

GOOD!

He is still a messenger but not an angel. He is above the angels and not an angel when the decree "to which of the angels...." was made. This is because God can make his messenger not equal to the angels.

truthislight: so, michael the angel now receives worship abi?

I thought ordinary loyal angels in the bible dont receives worship?

You see! you have ended up agreeing that regular angel receives worship because you will not say that the captain/archangel = Jesus christ.

Keep contradicting what the bible says.

You are on your own.

Is Michael an ordinary angel?

obadiah777: NOW ALL THIS IS JUST VAIN OPINIONS. YOU DO ERR

So give a shot at those Hebrew verses. I will be waiting for my turn to use the "erring" word.

truthislight: good one boomark.

If you leave your going round in circles you will do better.

thanks.

Am on a straight road broda.

truthislight: good of you.

did that not read "his public servant"

did it say that "they are public servant"?

Make your choice of words stand out properly.

The NWT qualifies it as they are "his public servant"

that is they are "Yahweh's public servant" and not every body public servant.

This is not a government class. I was not reading/quoting from the nigerian constitution.

truthislight: how?

You quoted him and frosbel's post on pre-existence post together, thats why.

obadiah777: BUAHAHAHAHAHA I BETTER STOP SAYING PEOPLE ERR. I DID NOT KNOW IT ELICITED SUCH A POLARIZED REACTION FROM ONE SINGLE PERSON. MAKE THE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE NO GO JOIN UP MAKE THE PERSON COME EXPLODE LIKE BOMB *PHEW*

Its part of the things that make us laugh for those that understand. The vex-laff ratio is 1/3 or 0/3. Though i don't know about others. Keep it coming.