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40manlappy:
If he can get a reference letter that will cover the NYSC period (1 year), maybe he can claim Secondary School Teacher.

cc: curllygee, eddycross

percee17:
Hello people, a very excellent job you all are doing here. I have been a silent follower and this is my first post. Firstly, I must share my testimony. Read here sometimes ago of someone thanking God that he stayed in the pool for less than 24hours, I quickly claimed it. To the glory of God, we FINALLY created our profile the night of the 30th of May and alas! ITA landed 31st May! Thanks to God almighty. Thank you all.

Now to my question, we have a challenge on proof of funds. Most of our monies is in a joint business account which we are both signatories. This account is very active with a monthly turnover of about 12M. Do we have to move the money to the Primary applicant or just use the business account as the POF account?

eddycross:
4031 is under category A. One year experience under that NOC is valid for Express Entry as long as it isn't stated at Youth Service, but Work Experience.

peppers:
Gurus please assist with the below. I see @boss13 and @40manlappy are online.

Biko plese

optionese:
@ysmd says she wants to put compliance officer in her job history and put accountant in her personal history for the exact same period, is that not something a VO would wonder about?

Wumiadeaj:
I have hnd in Accounting, I have ACA, i have MBA too, pls when filling MBA do they request for speciality or something cos I picked entrepreneurship back then, I started working as an audit trainee in 2004 after NYSC, I then did a contract job with one of dis big 4 audit firms between 2005 to 2007, moved to another audit firm in 2008 as an audit senior, started working as accountant in 2008 and av worked with two companies as accountant till date. Can I feel NOC 1111 as my area and then feel accountant wherever my profession is requested while I support with letters from all the companies I have worked.

Morbolar:
So what you are basically saying is that at the time the chartered accountant who is a compliance officer was getting married, he ought to have filled compliance officer as profession on his marriage certificate and not accountant. I dont think the Visa officers are robots. They are human and i'm sure they think

peppers:
Please which one is schedule A o?

@boss1313 i sent you a message please

curllygee:
I have been following dis thread quietly. I need some explanations. I have seen that people claim 1 year NYSC experience as part of work experience. My NYSC experience is in NOC 4031 ( secondary school teacher). I studied accounting so I taught accounts during youth service. After that I have worked for only 6months as an accountant in a company(NOC 1111) before I resigned to face my full time masters programme which ended on Thursday with my thesis defence. I will be writing ielts next month, my question is, will my teaching experience pose a problem as against my profession as an accountant as i can only claim one year work experience in NOC 4031 though I have about 2 persons that can give me reference letter with dia company letter head. please I need advice.

Bimpsy99:
Thank you my brother. This our Boss on this thread doesn't seem to get my point. Please Snap a screenshot of yours or anyone who doesn't have multiple in bracket. No one is fighting here we only want facts and proof not theory.

Its simple, anyone who hasn't traveled outside naija for more than six months should snap what he has for PCC in the upload section, let's see if there is no multiple in bracket.

debbiejosh:
Boss13 is just trying to lay emphasis on the point that your information must synchronize, giving no room for error or reason for VO to ask for more proof.
The VO might request for more proof asking for other documents, or an interview in Accra.

Also remember there is a Schedule A with Personal History section for the last ten years, if the marriage is over ten years, then the VO can explore other options.

Some are not even lucky to get option of submitting proof, the VO just verifies through your social media profiles (LinkedIn, Facebook) and concludes that you misrepresented,by giving false information.

Boss 13 might seem harsh, but the Canadian journey gives no room for error. The VO assesses you on what you submitted, and by his/her discretion.

As we strive to package error free applications, may God's grace be on us all.

merrymum:
Please o, I really don't understand this occupation on marriage cert thingy. Is marriage cert to prove marriage or to prove occupation? I believe it's the first. So if I worked for one year as a banker during which I got married (and they probably put 'banker' on my marriage cert), then worked 3 yrs as a field engineer, and this is what I'm using as my primary NOC, are you saying my application will be rejected because it shows banker on my marriage cert? Please o, let's be sure of the info we pass across so as not to scare people. Lol

justicia:
@Boss and all. Can one also avoid deed of gift by simply asking your sponsor to write a letter of sponsorship for settlement funds and then transfer the money mentioned in the letter to you in furtherance of the letter. And the latter can then be notarized. One can then add proof of source of funds of the sponsor What do you think?

Austynodv:
Hello my people in the house. I hope you are all keeping up real good.
I need some advice from the gurus here please.

My occupation on my marriage certificate was generalized as 'Public Servant' whereas I have never been one. My occupation is Fleet manager and my previous occupation was Product coordinator, both of which are in the private sector.

Please how do I handle this discrepancy when submitting my documents as I am awaiting ITA?

Kindly advice please.

Hope15:
Nice post there bro!

2 questions pls:

1. On the issue of reerence letters when HR is not yielding, are you advising that even if one's supervisor should have access to company's letter head, he/she should not use it rather write on plain paper?

CAPITAL NO don't use it. Company letter head is available to everyone who works in the company.

2. On the PoF issue using spouse's account, is there any need for the accompanying spouse to write any declaration allowing the PA to use the instruments for PoF?

POF can be in the account of the accompanying spouse. LOE is sufficient here. You can do this if you are trying to disguise where the inflow came from. But be ready to submit your spouse statement of account in case be asked

Thanks

mabeline1:
Hello Boss13,

Please about your comment on marriage certificate we got married in 2009 but due to various relocation we couldn't find the cert but my husband swore an affidavit from igbosere court. I also have my news paper publication for change of name.

My question is I hope it won't be an issue during documentation

Thanks




quote author=Boss13 post=57119023]Please let's try as much as possible to avoid gift deed when gathering our funds. This gift deed issue is well known to Indians and the VOs know how to tackle it. The reason for this is to avoid tension whenever Nigeria applications come through - so that those who come after us can also be successful without we ruining their chances.

In India, CIC agents visit organisations to confirm if an applicant actually works there because of many fake applications. Once the trend for Gift deeds increases in Nigeria, it will begin to raise suspicion. Nigerians are not known for gift deeds. There are ways to manoeuvre POF.

A similar case to this, was the change in supervisor signing on a plain sheet of paper. It wasn't the case previously in Nigeria. Supervisors could sign on branded letterhead and include his contact details. However, CIC was getting negative confirmation from these reference letters because rather than call your supervisor, they will call your HR and HR will deny ever issuing such reference. Also, if you think CIC agents can't visit, think again. CIC agents/lawyers visit Alagbon to confirm from the criminal registry if you have any criminal case. They can run the same template too, but the problem is the delay in time to process each Nigerian application.

Also, please confirm the occupation and address on your marriage certificate, for those who are married, before you submit. Your marriage certificate should not indicate a different work occupation and your reference letter and employment letter stating a different thing. This will result to delay and if you cannot convince them - rejection. Again, if this is someone's issue and he now uses a gift deed - AHA! This person would work harder to convince them otherwise.

bigbroda:
Thanx for your advice bro! Can u please say one or two ways to avoid the gift deed? For instance, one has the ITA today and has about 4M to move into the account in about a month time using the gift deed option. What else do you think he should do if he doesn't want to do d gift deed while also bearing in mind the 3 months grace he has to submit his application.

optionese:
@Boss are you the one that answered @peppers questions? . Your government is working.

I noticed shaaaaaa(no vex o) your comments are harsh small (no vex o)

Not your answers to @peppers sha. All in all I think you are doing a good job on the thread. I know you are one of the advocates of a post ITA. Please don't go, we will miss you here.

Bimpsy99:
Hello bros. Myself and hubby also have (multiple) in front of PCC and he never travelled anywhere for up to six months.So I believe having multiple doesn't mean its peculiar to the person cos it may mean if applicable. I also inquired from people that have filled their form and what I got was it is a default setting.


If you have a different situation please do a screenshot and share. Let's rest the case. An LoE explaining that the exams were not done in UK is fine and ur stamped pages on international passport further strengthens it I dont see any reason for worry.

Moving on

peppers:
Thank you so much.

I am unable to get the required reference letter from HR as they do not give any one just an introduction letter to the embassy. My supervisor Is writing on a plain sheet and I will notarize with her details and my passport. I will also include employment letter, the mail from hr stating they do not give, appraisal, confirmation letter, payslips, statement of acct showing salary, now my picture at work, my tax clearance and pictures of me getting awarded at work and my complimentary card and work ID card. Will also include my bossses work if card. Thank you very much.

Fantastic. Submitting these documents shows that you have gone beyond to convince anybody that you do work at your current place of employment even if your HR does not give reference letter. I think you are okay. Please include her business card, attach the mail from your HR that they don't give reference letter. However, I hope your HR will be able to confirm via telephone that you are a staff. Anyways, if they don't I don't think it will disqualify you. Also, attached that letter of introduction letter from your HR. Worry not about this - you have got it covered. Also explain in a Letter of Explanation (LOE).

For my name, I always have my surname and my first name on all documents and sometimes my third name so I will include my NPC certificate as well. I won't bother with the attestation of names as well.

Just got ahead and get the attestation/affidavit letter. You can get it from the same court in which you want to notarize your reference letter. Plus it is not expensive. Too much information is not bad, little information is.

Thanks a lot.

Bimpsy99:
Hello bros. Myself and hubby also have (multiple) in front of PCC and he never travelled anywhere for up to six months.So I believe having multiple doesn't mean its peculiar to the person cos it may mean if applicable. I also inquired from people that have filled their form and what I got was it is a default setting.


If you have a different situation please do a screenshot and share. Let's rest the case. An LoE explaining that the exams were not done in UK is fine and ur stamped pages on international passport further strengthens it I dont see any reason for worry.

Moving on

peppers:
Hello everyo and congrats to everyone that receievd ITA. Please I have a couple of questions. On my international passport I have four names as stated on my NPC (birth certificate) but on my school documents and work documents I use just two or three of the names, will that be a problem?

You need to state the name as indicated on your international passport. This is the name you are known for in your country. However, There is a section for cases where people bear other names, if you do as stated, please say yes and include them. You won't be required to include your birth certificate - this is for kids, but a VO may require it especially when your name in some of your documents is the same.

When you indicate your bear other names. Don't forget to get an affidavit to show you bear other names. A document upload for other names will be indicated in your document checklist. You can include your affividate and possibly, your birth certificate to show the other names you bear

Also, You can explain using LOE to avoid confusion though, but I don't think it's necessary especially if your last name and first name is always present in all your documents.

Secondly I have funds in treasury bills enough for a single applicant and a little over a million in my statement of account, will that be fine as I expect them to add it all up.

Treasury bill certificate is a good indicator for POF. Since you have enough for one applicant, I believe you are going single, then you are good. If you want to still include your 6 months statement of account to show the other funds, even more perfect. Your POF is more than enough - More is good.

Thirdly do I need a letter of non indebtedness and reference letter from the bank ( I heard from someone that got PR that I don't but all I need is statement of account but on this thread, I read people using all of the above.) please can someone assist with a sample of the reference letter needed?

You don't need to do this.

Fourthly I want to notarize my recommendation letter from my boss but I don't know which one CIC will accept and please can anyone assist with a sample of what CIC needs?

[b]Don't know what you mean by recommendation letter. What's your boss recommending you for? Except you mean reference letter. On the other hand, why can't you get reference letter from your H.R/Admin. This is the authorized dept that can use the letter head of your company. Your boss/supervisor cannot use the letter head of your company. He can only use plain paper, sign, leave contact details and include his business card. It was previously allowed for supervisors to use company's letterhead but it's now being abused. Again, the VO will prefer to confirm if both you and your supervisor are staff members of your company. Using your supervisor is allowed when you can't get reference letter from HR.

I don't know what you are notarizing. Does the lawyer who will notarize this document can prove with all certainty that your supervisor is actually your supervisor. The VOs will do their checks if they are not satisfied, but try to get HR reference if you can. Also, you can attached a picture of you at work, just to support your case that you work in that company.[/b]

Fifth please does anyone have a sample ogbu LOE. I know it pertains to peculiar cases but please anyone that has gotten PR already can assist if anyone's that hasn't gotten doesn't feel comfortable enough.

No typical template for LOE. But you can follow the proper letter structure.

Thank you so much for all your help as usual. I am trying to prepare myself as I know m so close. Stay blessed

Chordata:
Good stuff, I had already inlcuded Nigeria as my country of study but my PCC still shows "Multiple". Took a quick survey and discovered that everyone has the "Multiple" in PCC.
In addition, I quote below guidance from CIC "Applicants are instructed to indicate that their education was completed by correspondence by typing in brackets {by correspondence} on the same line as the education institution name found in the Education Background Information tab of GCMS. The discretion remains with the officer to decide if a police certificate is required for the country of the education institution.

Isnt this strictly a GCMS issue; I presume we're not at that stage yet but correct me if I'm wrong.

Muchaio:
Hello,
After guest stalking this thread for a while, I finally registered.
Finally took the plunge and got ITA May 31. Now filling the forms and I have few questions that I'm begging the gurus to assist.

1. I assessed my ACCA certificate. Country of certificate is UK but I of course did it in Naija. How do I avoid UK PLC AS I've even never been to the UK?

2. My spouse (accompanying spouse) was refused UK visa a long time ago. B4 I even knew I go marry. Agent issh back then, she was advised to fashi the old passport and got a new one with the middle name stylishly modified (Eg Wura to Wuraola) however all her credentials except the passport has Wura. She has since gotten UK Visa severally on the new passport. Since it is more than 10yrs ago, do we need to worry/declare this? I'm afraid if they do BG check on the name, email fit go uproot skeleton.

3. I also have small comma on my certs, middle name wahala too (I'm a proper village boy no vex). While the name is stated as Wale on my BSc and ACCA, my MBA and passport carries Adewale. WES was issued on Wale cos during my days of ignorance, I evaluated ALL certs. I have gotten a sworn affidavit that we are both me. Will this suffice?

Abeg no vex,

4. Le Boo is from polygamous background. She doesn't want her half siblings anywhere around her application meanwhile the form asks for all family details. Can we just input her direct siblings and move? Me I don't want to play kalokalo with 2080CAD mbok

Gurus, please Epp me

peppers:
Hello house, please can someone advise. A friend of mine used An agent to apply amen has gotten ITA but he wants to remove the agent from my profile after getting ITA. Would there be any complications? He is not using the agent again and does not want his details in his application again. Please advise. Thank you

bigbroda:
I understand and I know d importance. No one would even travel without having some dough to settle down with to an extent at least. I'm actually asking to know if dat money has to be up to d stated/required amount on d POF page. Considering d fact dat some of d dough presented during the post ITA stage might have been spent of flight, shopping, etc. thereby reducing what is available to show. What do u think about dis?

bigbroda:
Congrats to d ITA recipients. I can imagine how happy u guyz are at d moment. I wish u all goodluck. I envy you, hope and pray to get mine soon. Also happy for myself at d moment sha cos WES finally gave me a soft copy of my evaluation report after much pressure, a task I started in January. Info. is key. I applied to WES before discovering dis thread and spent alot on transcripts and d rest to evaluate 3 different certificates instead of doing only d masters. It's all good, I'm kinda through with them, expecting d hard copy.

These guyz talking about customs/immigration officers asking for settlement fund proof at d point of entry are scaring me. U mean I should still have about 6M in my account(due to family size) after paying for flights and d rest just because I need to convince these guyz? Someone should please confirm d chance/probability(in percentage) of being ask dis question at d point of entry biko.

ugoiyke79e:
Boss what happens if they divorce while awaiting PR
This can happen. This can be a reason why POF shlould be in the PA's name .....
to avoid stories that touch.

Jumdah20:
I ve always wondered if VOs could frown upon a spouse transferring funds to the PA, since he wouldn't submit his account statement to show that the funds stayed in his account for over 6 months.

Isn't it possible that VO would think that borrowed funds went to spouse account which he subsequently transferred to his wife?

MummyJaygirls:
A spouse submitting evidence of marriage and my statement of account does not mean I consent to him or her traveling. I guess that's y all monies should be in PA account to avoid further probing and stories that touch

vcole:
It is your insistence on the spouse's account being submitted as pof that is the issue here.
The guideline to any PR application is what IRCC has clearly specified in their section under mandatory documentation. It is clearly written that the proof of funds should bear the name of the principal applicant. IRCC does not and has not stated on any official correspondence that the POF should bear the name of the spouse.
Personal experiences from applicants all over the world have led to individual interpretations of this rule based on their individual experiences with the VO who manages their individual cases. I use the word individual so many times in the above sentence because every application is individualized. The guideline is the IRCC recommendation. Based on this, if a PR applicant intends to follow the rules, said applicant should POF that bears his/her name. In this case a joint account bears the applicant's name and complies with the rules. A spouse's account does not bear the applicant's name and according to the IRCC rules does not comply. That VOs choose to accept a spouse's account based on their discretion does not make it the guideline.

A spouse can at any time he or she desires willingly give funds to his or her partner. It makes sense to any VO that a gainfully employed spouse or one with a source of income for instance from a business can provide funds in bulk sums to his/her partner for whatever reason he/she so desires. Whatever investment said spouse chooses to engage himself in is actually irrelevant to the VO in this case seeing as the spouse is a dependent on this application. The funds invested in a cooperative did not fall from the sky, it came from somewhere. A letter of explanation more than suffices because it EXPLAINS why the funds were transferred, when they were, where they were sourced from and can include evidence of the transfer instruction as well as evidence of gainful employment or business.