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Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 1:41am On Apr 02, 2019*

Maximus69:
Revelations 18:4 says come out of [Babylon the great]

Jesus said: Therefore “Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.”It's always the same old story-we come out from among them, and still we face persecution's by them..

Maximus69:
Story! Story!! Story!!! Russel may have come from Buddhism, who cares?

I would be worried-if Russell's story-knew the scriptures in the first place-if he had any sort of relationship with God, then he wouldn't have tried to turned the Word of God further away from the truth.
''The problem was, Russell believed he was God's only true servant-that's a false sign in itself, Russell tried to seek God' through Russell's own glory!!

Maximus69:
So it's left for hard working students of the Bible like Maximus and others to make thorough investigations in order to know what really happend! Act 17:11

If you really knew what you were talking about-we wouldn't be having this conversation. 'you would know Christ, visa versa-and your studies is really a waste of time-guessing the scriptures doesn't mean you know Jesus in the bible, no more then an atheist who thinks he know's it all..

Maximus69:
Story! Story!! Story!!!
Russel may have come from Buddhism, who cares?
Revelations 18:4 says come out of [Babylon the great]
So for someone to abandon a religious group and join another is clearly justified in the HOLY scriptures!
What is of utmost importance now is whether the second century church committee who TRANSLATED and COMPILED the Bible made mistakes or not, mind you 'it was the Bible writers that were inspired NOT the translators' therefore they are prone to blunders! Bible scholars from far and near have made a lot of research to know why the teaching of Hellfire have totally contradicted the whole idea from the beginning of the scriptures, and God has blessed them with insight so that they're able to fish out the adulteration added to suit the thinking of the committee that did that evil work!
So it's left for hard working students of the Bible like Maximus and others to make thorough investigations in order to know what really happend! Act 17:11
While billions of lazy churchgoers like you keep leaning on what you can't correlate with the first 39 books of the Bible,simply because some greedy religious leaders are lying to you to keep you in the dark and making fortunes due to your ignorance! Romans 10:2,3 Galatians 1:14
And in a bid to keep you in the dark,they're telling you that the sacred writings is a MYSTERY so that you won't try any inquiry to find out why their teaching is incomprehensible but don't bother,you can remain in the dark Sir, we have learnt that the term 'MYSTERY' belongs to BABYLON THE GREAT! Revelations 17:5 compared to 2Thessalonians 2:7

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Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 7:29pm On Mar 31, 2019*

I suppose if you are trying to connect-how about producing the right bible scriptures, try proving your theory that Hell doesn't exist?

Maximus69:
Genesis 2:17, 3:19, Psalms 37:9-11, Proverbs 2:20-22Ecclesiastes 3:19,20, Ecclesiastes 3:19,20,9:4-10 All these can be found in any version of the Bible,so it is not easy for some group of people to trow the whole earth in darkness simply because they are religious title chiefs and want to interpret what they were not granted the spirit to do so!

These verses you have produced doesn't prove your argument--matter of fact it was a waste of time..
The truth is, the Watchtower have gotten most of it's teachings from the Catholic Church' in the first place--Most Witnesses used to be Catholics or Protestants, Charles Taze Russell in the 1870’s. Russell was raised a Presbyterian, then joined the Congregational church, and was finally influenced by Adventist teachings, "and by his own admission, he had a hard time accepting the existence of hell. He sought out the Bible, and as his “studies” continued, he systematically began to reject the major doctrines of historic Christianity.
So because Russell denied Hell-it doesn't mean his right-nor does it mean the Catholic Church is right about Purgatory, matter of fact bible believing Christians wouldn't dare to change the Word of God, let alone argue about it, this is why we stay on track with bible knowledge-the Lord said: test everything, test everybody, test the word, test our priest and pastors-test them all {1 Thessalonians 5:21} 'speciously Russell's word, I wouldn't be surprise-where Russell is spending eternity, in the same Hell he denied..
The two most common words for hell are hades and gehēnna. Hades was the Greek word for the realm of the dead, but Jesus uses it more specifically to refer to a place of torment {Luke 16:23} a place that is the opposite of heaven {Matt 11:23} Originally gehēnna referred to Hinnom Valley south of Jerusalem, where centuries earlier child sacrifice was practiced {2 Kings 23:10; Jeremiah 7:32}
By the time of Jesus, gehēnna was a picture of hell, such that Jesus warns "fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell [gehēnna]" {Matthew 10:28}

Maximus69:
The Catholics have fed you with the teaching of hellfire for close to 2,000 years and all the religious groups thereafter have been misled by that teaching as the committee scrupulously inserted the idea while compiling the Bible. But instead of investigating to ascertain if this idea is from the true God,all your lazy religious leaders kept building on the false idea and continue in opposing one another in confusion.
So it doesn't matter what Jehovah's Witnesses teach but making research to find out if the idea of sustaining living creatures under excruciating pains for all eternity correlates with what God said in the beginning about disobedient intelligent creatures! Genesis 2:17, 3:19, Psalms 37:9-11, Proverbs 2:20-22Ecclesiastes 3:19,20, Ecclesiastes 3:19,20,9:4-10
All these can be found in any version of the Bible,so it is not easy for some group of people to trow the whole earth in darkness simply because they are religious title chiefs and want to interpret what they were not granted the spirit to do so! They've succeeded in fooling most people in times past but they've not succeeded in fooling ALL THE PEOPLE all the time!

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 11:52pm On Mar 30, 2019

Than we should ask Maximus69 what does the JW's preach about Hell-"nothing?

Ubenedictus:
now you want to teach me the catholic faith abi?

The catholic church has taught both hell and purgatory, they do not invalidate each other, they instead compliment.

If you dont know ask and stop making untrue claims.

The story you screenshot was rebuted by the vatican.

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Witness To Loved Ones Who Are Roman Catholics by brocab: 12:35am On Mar 29, 2019

So the problem we have with many Churches across the globe, they don't focus on the people that personally know God-they only focus on the numbers of people that had been baptised into that religion!
When asked-most people will say they were baptised into a religion-but if I was to ask about their religion-2 from 50 may know something about their beliefs--while the others live their lives like they haven't the slightest idea who God is-but still they are taught by the Church they are saved going to heaven when they die.
Many Churches these days play into a worlds system-every person is classed as a number-the Catholic Church claims to be the longest Church standing, and yet most of it's members, haven't the slightest idea if God really exist..
So if we were to count the numbers of the believers in every Church-then I suppose Jesus is right when He said:
{Matthew 22:14} Many are called but few are chosen ...

henriettttta:
Shut up

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Witness To Loved Ones Who Are Roman Catholics by brocab: 12:34pm On Mar 28, 2019*

Not really, the Catholic Church isn't growing-baby baptism is a matter of speech-people claiming to be Catholic and never able to understand the truth about Catholic faith.
So spirituality it isn't growing-psychically the Catholic Churches are empty, people coming and going-out of 50 people who claim to be Catholic, one or two at the most may know a little about it's practices...
While the rest of the 48 people who claim to be Catholic haven't the slightest idea-which end is up!!

henriettttta:
People keep criticizing the Catholic faith yet they keep growing in numbers

I've read this thread from the beginning and all I can say about the OP is that you're a religion fanatic

Ask yourself this question are you just reading the bible or do you really understand it?

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 11:25pm On Mar 27, 2019

Your fruit is bitter, and your sin, "Is", you have chosen to lie against the truth-which is the Word of God, you don't bring Jesus to me-but you stand against everything the Lord had written-preaching what is unbiblical in the natural...

Maximus69:
Your problem is lack of intellect!
You're quoting a book that i also could just start quoting against you in the presence of audience. I said SOMETHING visible that a neutral individual could SEE to know that what someone did is evil!
Well for your information you're just ARGUING and your arguments lacks substance as in immaterial!
Say something that all eyes can SEE not just quoting the book that everyone can start quoting to say you don't know a thing from it!

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Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 3:03pm On Mar 27, 2019

This is more than enough intelligence ''is all you need:: {Mark 10:15} Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it.”
Sin is like something refusing to do what is right-you have refuse to produce the Word of God-its a sin to lie..

Maximus69:
Your problem is lack of intellect!
You're quoting a book that i also could just start quoting against you in the presence of audience. I said SOMETHING visible that a neutral individual could SEE to know that what someone did is evil!
Well for your information you're just ARGUING and your arguments lacks substance as in immaterial!
Say something that all eyes can SEE not just quoting the book that everyone can start quoting to say you don't know a thing from it!

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 1:31pm On Mar 27, 2019*

Would you prefer if I call you a lemon, "why" because it's bitter!! Your sin, is, you have chosen to lie against the truth-which is the Word of God, you don't bring Jesus to me-but you stand at my door preaching what is unbiblical...

Maximus69:
Pause mode Sir!
Remember even if i don't know the Bible i can understand the word FRUIT that it is something all eyes both believers and unbelievers can SEE! So can you just mention the name or description of that FRUIT
Moreover you spoke about sin, so what sin have you SEEN me commited

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 1:27pm On Mar 27, 2019

So Jesus was from the beginning of time-just like His Father and the Holy Spirit-they are One!!!

Maximus69:
Before Jesus came to this earth,God created the heavens for himself and angels

Jesus said: before Abraham was born, I am: {John 8:58}
God the Father said: {Hebrews 1:8} Now about the angels He says: “He makes His angels winds, His servants flames of fire.”
But about the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom, ''You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You above Your companions with the oil of joy.”
And again rightly speaking-it is said:{Psalm 45:6-7} Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you above your companions with the oil of joy.…

Maximus69:
Before Jesus came to this earth,God created the heavens for himself and angels but earth he has given to humans! Psalms 115:16
So Jesus said some will get visas to heaven through baptism by water and spirit! And they are going there for a special purpose.Revelations 20:6
First they must have known the God of Israel by learning all his purposes and learn so much from Jesus[God's son] about how to participate in his government[Isaiah 9:6,Daniel 2:44] that's why Revelation 14:1 says TWO names were WRITTEN on their foreheads! Therefore all ancient servants of God before the coming of Jesus from the beginning are awaiting a resurrection to life here on earth,only few servant AMONG Christians will go and rule with Jesus in heaven!
Jesus and Solomon got their inspiration from the same source so they're not contradicting each other,it is the reader that needs to know that Jesus taught a lot in PARABLES. Matthew 13:10
So for you to fully grasp what he is saying,you must first know God's program from the beginning,what is his plan for righteous people and what he intends to do with practicers of evil. Then you listen to Jesus and draw a conclusion from his PARABLES,otherwise if you concentrate only on Jesus' parables without considering other texts you'll continue to reject what God said from the beginning! Matthew 5:17
Jehovah's Witnesses,thank you o!

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 1:04pm On Mar 27, 2019

{Matthew 7:15-20} “Beware of false JW prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits.
So we judge by your fruit...To be honest your knowledge of the bible is not good-matter of fact you do need to repent, and ask the Lord to forgive you, ask Him to enter into your life, to save you from your sins...

Maximus69:
Here they goes again!
Instead of leaving reasonable comments that will help readers,it is judgmental! judgmental!! judgmental!!!
Hey Mr brocab,are you Jesus the one who is to judge

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 12:57pm On Mar 27, 2019

They don't understand bro, the JW's believe by sight-the blind leading the blind-they don't believe biblical doctrines, nor do they believe the Spirit still teaches, they believe some bible passages, they feel it is enough for them to learn..

Hairyrapunzel:
So jws now accuse jesus Christ of falsehood? E get wetin una no go do and say to defend your non biblical doctrines? So tey them say Jesus Christ they tell stories when no really happen. Lol

After all you have explained so far do yo know it's only your assumption at the end of the day? Jesus Christ did not intend to do anything you said. You just intended things for Jesus Christ in your head.

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 12:50pm On Mar 27, 2019

Because of Jesus’ symbolic use of Gehenna, the word gehenna is sometimes used as a synonym for hell.
In fact, that’s how the Greek word is translated in {Mark 9:47} “hell.”
The occupants of the lake of fire/gehenna/hell are separated from God for all of eternity.
So you will be separated from God!!

Janosky:
Wayo write up no wonder the wayo man wey copy am no wan give credit to the original author
If u actually studied the Bible you know that Gehenna is the correct word instead of hell at Mark9:48-49

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 12:39pm On Mar 27, 2019*

Maybe the hole bible is a story book to you--maybe you are only here to try and seek some attention from people you don't know, just to make some kind of name for yourself!
{Mark 9:43-48} Jesus said hell was a place of worms, maggots, fire, and trouble. From that we get the image of a lake of fire and the concept of perpetual burning, ''The evil ones there are full of remorse and torment ''Jesus also said that hell would be "outer darkness." He said that some in His day "will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth" {Matthew 8:12, 22:13}
The Bible speaks of a lake of fire reserved for the devil and his angels {Matthew 25:41}
That is what's wrong with the world today-they refuse to believe the Word of God.

chiedozie198100:
so heaven n hell dey share fence?

no be small thing oo.

my dear that story was a parable. don't take it as an event that really happened.

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 1:14am On Mar 27, 2019

Why not pray and ask the Lord yourself-if you are keen enough. just maybe the Lord will explain it to you in Word..
{Luke 16} the poor man laying in Abraham bosom, and across the gulf burning in Hell was the rich man?

chiedozie198100:
Adam and Eve disobeyed God, where r they?

those that were wiped out during the flood of noah's time, where r they?

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Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 7:15pm On Mar 25, 2019

The name Jesus wasn't actually mentioned in the Old testament either-but some how you believe His Name exist-so if you can believe that, then believe everything Jesus taught about Heaven and Hell in the New testament'' it was when Jesus was in ministry, He was under the law of the Old covenant-now we all know the Old Covenant was an agreement between God and the children of Israel.
The New Covenant is an agreement between God and Jesus Christ. (Therefore it includes all who are united with Jesus Christ, or as the Bible says, all those who are "in Christ." wink

The New Covenant did not start until after the death of Jesus Christ. For it was sealed by the precious blood of Jesus paying the price for the complete remission of sins for all who believe in Him.
Jesus himself plainly said the New Covenant involved His blood being shed. {Matthew 26:28}"For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Hell wasn't mention in the Old testament but Sheol was the place of darkness, honesty 'this is good enough for me to believe Heaven and Hell exist, Just the way Jesus had preached it to exist.

chiedozie198100:
I'm not a jehovah's witness.

and may I remind you that adam and even where not condemned to a lake of fire, but to return to the dust they were made out from.

those that died in the flood were not dumped in hell fire.

in fact the whole hell theory was never part of the old testament.

saying that hell is a literal place is like saying that there is actually animals with weird physical structures as recorded in revelations, or angels in heaven that will physically come down to earth and blow trumpets.

my dear most bible illustrations are not literal in its expressions.

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Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 6:25pm On Mar 23, 2019

JW don't believe in Military, they never fought a war-matter of fact they used their religion to shy away from War, you claim to be military, and you claim you were Mafia, again JW's never fought a war..
We war against the Spirit everyday, war against the principalities, against the demons that hide in religious darkness, no-one is against you personality, it's your doctrine that doesn't line up with the Word of God-it's this that is brought to our attention!
Even the world believe's 'Jesus's name-even the demon's believe!
You come to us preaching your doctrine without having any power, without the Holy-Spirit being present, and you believe this is your doctrine everybody should listen to and obey and believe.
In the name of Jehovah-demons can't be cast out, in the name of Jehovah your sick are still sick, the blind are still blind, and your dead are still dead-your doctrine has no power to it's word.

Maximus69:
Sir,in the field of military intelligence it's a crime for any intellectual to deceive himself with stunbborness!
There are thousands of religious organizations teaching people all sort of ideas and analogies,if you've
evet traveled outside Africa this won't surprise you at all. NONE of them can present any valid proof of what they're inculcating in the minds of their followers,all they could do is refer you to books. So what makes the beliefs of JWs so special and unique to you that you can't rest ever since you learnt of their doctrines? I've been to places Sir and i can tell you categorically that JWs are just like one out of thousands of religious ideas taught to be kept in the minds of the adherents!
Sir stop deceiving yourself. If you truthfully have peace, you should have taken them as just one of those religious groups spewing gibberish. But your attitude shows you're not at peace because their presence is killing you as you're damn sure that THEY ARE THE ONLY GROUP HAVING WHAT YOU CAN'T OVERLOOK!

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Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 1:13am On Mar 21, 2019

Janosky:
Wayo write up no wonder the wayo man wey copy am no wan give credit to the original author
If u actually studied the Bible you know that Gehenna is the correct word instead of hell at Mark9:48-49

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 5:13pm On Mar 19, 2019

If Hell wasn't real-then this proves you don't believe in Jesus-because it was Jesus who preached Hell just as much as He did Heaven, but you don't believe you will be in either of them!

Barristter07:
So this poor post is the best you can offer.

Mr Asalimpo, it says clearly Soul AND BODY . no division . clear enough. Matt 10:28

Since you now admit the human body can go to hell , Why don't human bodies go to hell today if HELL is real ?

Or is Jesus a Liar ?

Over to you.

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 5:03pm On Mar 19, 2019

That's funny?

Barristter07:
Spirit does not HAVE FLESH . Tongue is Flesh, How come the rich man still possess his Fleshly tongues if he was spirit ?

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 5:00pm On Mar 19, 2019*

Maximus69:
Jesus was born by a Carpenter,he's mother got pregnant before sleeping with his father,he grew up to become a carpenter,nobody knew Jesus as a teacher or scholar in any rabbinical school[as Bible school was called then] until he went to John[his COUSIN] for baptism,thereafter he began gatheting followers and performing signs.

{Luke 2:45-50} So when they did not find Him, they returned to Jerusalem, seeking Him. Now so it was that after three days they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions.
And all who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers. So when they saw Him, they were amazed; and His mother said to Him, “Son, why have You done this to us? Look, Your father and I have sought You anxiously.”
And He said to them, “Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father’s business?” But they did not understand the statement which He spoke to them.
And who was Jesus's Father, it deafeningly wasn't the carpenter Jesus preached about, do you Maximus understand anything about when Jesus began His ministry! And yet it is written in the scriptures as clear as it sounds.

Maximus69:
Mr brocab Sir,it's how well that matters most than how far!
Neutrality is what i am using as my personal key here.
Jesus was born by a Carpenter,he's mother got pregnant before sleeping with his father,he grew up to become a carpenter,nobody knew Jesus as a teacher or scholar in any rabbinical school[as Bible school was called then] until he went to John[his COUSIN] for baptism,thereafter he began gatheting followers and performing signs.
Hmmm if i should critically look into his background,i will never have accept him as the Messiah/Christ. But what about prophecies regarding the messiah that WASN'T compiled in one single column in the scripture? His powerful teachings that turned Jewish zealots{thugs fighting for freedom of the jewish nation} to harmless sheepish citizens?
You have to start quoting from different Bible books and correlating them to prove that Jesus is the Messiah,this is what made it so difficult for those first century Jews to accept Jesus' teachings because they claim that first century Christians do cherry-pick scriptures to support their leader! Today instead of concentrating on the prophesies about what TRUE Christians would achieve in this last days, most people are just supportive of the long time tradition that's common!
Well Maximus don't know Russel neither do i know any of this so called founders of churches today,but one thing i know is that logically Churches are formed and they do breakaway from one another yet there is nothing of any significance or uniqueness,it's still the same tradition that's carried from generation to generation. The group that Russel started in the 1870s have also broken to pieces just like other churches formed before and after the twentieth century but one out of Russels arrangement has emerged with tremendous achievements that's undeniable!

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 4:47pm On Mar 19, 2019

That's funny! huh

Maximus69:
If only you know what wonders spirit beings can do to suit any purpose of theirs! When Elijah had encounter with God,he[God] appeared in different forms and at last the Bible said God wasn't even in any of those things Elijah saw! 1King 19:11,12 Surely it is angels that God sent to do all of that[ Exodus 13:21 compare to 14:19]yet Elijah is hearing the voice of God!
So when you hear SPIRIT know that they can arrange anything as in ANYTHING to prove a point yet they only used such means purposefully because it's within their capability! Jesus is alive as a spirit being once again not as flesh but Thomas who has suffered all the humiliation and abuses for being with the Christ needed to be convinced so that he too could be bold enough to teach others about the resurrected Jesus!
So Jesus would do everything possible to strengthen his friend!
Regarding the resurrection of Jesus and his born again brothers Paul said 'they died and were buried in the flesh but resurrected in spirit form'! 1Corinthians 15:44-47
Jehovah's Witnesses,thank you ooooo!

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Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 4:42pm On Mar 19, 2019

Jozzy4:
Noooo, Sea will release body and soul , but hell will release only soul Lolzzzzzzz. If somebody die in the sea, they won't go to hell so their soul will be in the sea

Don't kill me with laff

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 4:40pm On Mar 19, 2019

Try not to come to soon!

Maximus69:
Amen! See you at Daluwon,i'm out of here too!

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 4:39pm On Mar 19, 2019

Barristter07:
And that your dull thinking faculty didn't tell you that the TONGUE is a part of that Body, So how come the rich mans Body followed him to hell ?

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 4:37pm On Mar 19, 2019

Barristter07:
You have no 'prima facie' anymore. Dubious liar

You just admitted you have been lying since.

We have proved that Hades is Hell from KJV , contrary to your claim.

We have proved that Hades is GRAVE from the KJV .

Mr Brocab, Knowing this , Are you now telling us Jesus went to Take the old saints from the GRAVE ? Resurrection ?

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 4:35pm On Mar 19, 2019

Some of us live next door to you, and what they see about you, isn't Christian-in most Churches they don't have Idolaters running for mare in their towns..

TATIME:
Maximus! Are you still wasting your data on these people?
Look they're tied to the tradition of men and nothing reasonable can make them have a rethink.
Your conductor has said it all. Social media is for greeting our loved ones like JW families far away from us,those we know and those we've never met one on one!
As for the preaching and teaching program, i'm restricting that to only 'the lost sheep of the house of Israel'! So any arguments i go just waka pass go the next door! Na so Jesus tslk am,see you at Daluwon 4!

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 4:07pm On Mar 19, 2019*

I just wished you could stand up for yourselves and study the Word of God, learn about the truth man"-you haven't a clue about which way is up" a lair is a JW who thinks himself to be self righteous 'one that doesn't spend time studying the scriptures-but points their finger-like he is somebody 'when he is nobody!
""As the Hebrew word "Sheol" spoke of the state, condition, or place of the dead in the Old Testament, the same is true in the New Testament with the Greek word "Hades." The word Hades has a number of different meanings in the New Testament.
1. The Grave - The Place Of Bodily Decay
2. The Place Of The Punishment For The Wicked
3. Possibly As A General Term For The Unseen Realm Of The Dead
Hades is always connected with death, never with life. The context will determine its meaning. It does not refer specifically, or exclusively, to the place of punishment. Like Sheol, it is an intermediate place - it never refers to the place of final punishment.
It was not until the time of Christ that conditions in the afterlife were more fully revealed. The Bible says.
{2 Timothy 1:10} But it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel!
The New Testament says the following about Hades.
1. The Grave - The Place Of Bodily Decay
Hades is the place of bodily decay. Peter said the following about the death of Jesus.
{Acts 2:29-31} "Fellow Israelites, I may say to you confidently of our ancestor David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Since he was a prophet, he knew that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would put one of his descendants on his throne.
Foreseeing this, David spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, saying, 'He was not abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh experience corruption'
The grave would have no victory over the Messiah.
2. Place Of Punishment For Wicked
Hades is a place of temporary punishment of the unrighteous dead. Jesus told the story of the rich man and Lazarus.
{Luke 16:23-26} In Hades, where he [the rich man] was being tormented, he looked up and saw Abraham far away with Lazarus by his side. He called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in agony in these flames.'
But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your lifetime you received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner evil things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in agony. Besides all this, between you and us a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who might want to pass from here to you cannot do so, and no one can cross from there to us'
{Matthew 11:23} And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? No, you will be brought down to Hades. For if the mighty deeds done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day
3. Place For Righteous Dead?
There is some question as to whether Lazarus and Abraham were in Hades or in heaven. If they were in Hades, they were in a place that was separated from the unrighteous dead.
Hades Opposes Christ's Church
Hades is sometimes used of the powers of death. Jesus said that the forces of Hades would not stop the spread of His gospel.
{Matthew 16:18} And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it..
In this context, Hades speaks of the realm of the dead -or the grave.
Distinguished From Death
In the Book of Revelation, Hades is distinguished from death.
{Revelation 6:8} There was a pale green horse! Its rider's name was Death, and Hades followed with him; they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, famine, and pestilence, and by the wild animals of the earth
Hades Will Be Destroyed--Hades is not a permanent place. It will cease to exist at some future time.
{Revelation 20:13,14} The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them . . .
Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire , Because Hades will someday be destroyed, it is not to be seen as the ultimate abode of the unbelieving dead.
Jesus Has The Key
{Revelation 1:18} Jesus Himself has the keys to death and Hades. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. . . And I have the keys of Hades and Death..
He has conquered death and the grave.
Only Unbelieving Dead
{2 Corinthians 5:8} Hades is now a place for the unbelieving dead. The righteous go to be with the Lord when they die, Paul wrote. Yes, we do have confidence, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord!
Hades, like its Old Testament counterpart Sheol, refers to a number of different things.
Sometimes it refers to the grave, the place where the dead reside. It also refers to the place where the wicked suffer after death. It may also be a general term for the unseen realm of the dead, but this is not clear. It is never used of final destination of anyone, righteous or unrighteous. Hades will someday end when it is thrown into the lake of fire.
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Then we may ask ourselves Where is hell? Since we have already studied about Hades-We don’t know the specific location of where hell is except that it’s sometimes referred to as being “down,” but we do know that it’s a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth (signifying eternal regret), of outer darkness, and is permanent.
You wouldn’t wish that on your worst enemy. It’s so terrible that it’s beyond description and it’s beyond comprehension, and only those that are there can know what such torment feels like. When hell is mentioned, it is often associated with fire, so hell and the lake of fire seem to be referring to the same place.
Jesus warned His listeners about the reality of hell and the permanent state of being there as He said it is “where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’ For everyone will be salted with fire” {Mark 9:48-49}

Barristter07:
Don't be silly o

Brocab said ' Hades is not hell ' after he found himself at a tight corner on the subject of born again .. But we found the KJV exposing him as a liar since KJV itself translated Hades as Hell.

Brocab fails to realize that the favorite Lazarus and rich man story, KJV rendered Hades as Hell again . Destroying Brocabs claim . if am to use his statement against him , it means KJV was wrong to render Hades as Hell at Luke 16.

Who do you agree with, KJV or Brocab ?

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 1:25am On Mar 18, 2019*

Without even thinking about it, try reading the bible-instead of listening to unskilled Watchtower literature that fills your heart with doctrines of unscriptural knowledge, if you were truly a man of God-you wouldn't be arguing against the Word of God!
Your religion began in 1870, by a Adventist Mason-who called himself Charles Russell..
Charles Russell was a Mason of heart, and yet Russell claimed he knew God 'being the founder of the Watchtower, he created a house of prophets and scholars from false prophesies he added and removed bible passages, a 1870 reject wrote a new bible that holds no spiritual valve, that not even you would use nor agree the NWT bible is subjected to the truth!
And this is your religion you hold your valves upon!

Maximus69:
Nobody hates honesty and sincerity yet able to render justice. I've come to understand what i'm learning from JWs that judgment is ongoing worldwide presently because each person is judging him/herself as they render their conscience dead towards sensitive matters that they supposed to see things from a neutral ground!
Had i being that religious in the past,i wonder if my intellect would be able to comprehend all these,but my neutrality coupled with having lots of atheist friends i can stand without being partial to examine where the truth is!

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Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 12:40am On Mar 18, 2019

But it's understandable-someone like yourself having no understanding-you without knowledge will never understand Christ..

Barristter07:
You are not intelligent @highlighted, Not an insult because am going to prove to you why

The Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek and translated to ENGLISH
My question says : Why did KJV translated Hades as Hell at Rev 20;14 ? To counter your FALSE. Postulation that ' Hades is not hell '

Emphasis on " translated " : the Greek word translated Hell at Revelation 20:14 KJV is Hades , Yes or No ? Does KJB rendering Hades as " Hell " not contradict your earlier claim .

Now we see the Liar

Your analysis is dead on arrival!

Even the KJV rendered Hades as " Grave"

" O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? " 1Cor 15:55 .

Why did KJV translate Greek Hades to English Grave ?

Am not sure you know anything about the subject you dived into.

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Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 12:37am On Mar 18, 2019

First you said: you were a soldier-then you said; you were Mafia-and now you are claiming to be a JW?

Maximus69:
You tried Sir but what is the correlation in all of these? All churches also quote these and members do claim to understand what is sighted and quoted. Yet evil is everywhere,so what are you saying in essence? Are you saying the JWs don't quote and explain these at their meetings? And forget about the holy ghost stuff because all religious groups including Muslims claim they've got the spirit of God that helps them understand the scriptures.
What i understand clearly is there are certain fields that aids the works of the flesh, number one is politics,there is no way you can be involve in politics without getting hooked in all that Paul mentioned at Galatians 5:19-21
Jehovah's Witnesses have totally abstain from politics and this has given them credit from all sides as all the devilish acts that comes from politics dies naturally in their midst! Don't forget i worked with the military intelligence so i perfectly know the havoc that politics is causing as a whole!

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 12:31am On Mar 18, 2019

Maximus69:
The born again issue has proved everything. ¤Flesh and blood can't inherit the Kingdom of God~my understanding here is that we can't go to heaven with this physical body.

If you believe the above-then why are you coming to us as a Jehovah Witness trying to push another doctrine to us believers.

Maximus69:
The born again issue has proved everything.
¤Flesh and blood can't inherit the Kingdom of God~my understanding here is that we can't go to heaven with this physical body.
¤Born of water and spirit~my understanding here is that for anybody to get a pass for heavenly life,they needed to be baptised twice by water and by spirit.
What i'm not getting here now 'why should Jesus[in spirit] go against himself by taking those who never got baptised at all to a new place yet he[Jesus] said for anybody to go to heaven they must be born again[baptised both by water and spirit] whereas neither Moses, David, Abraham, Daniel and the THIEF ever got baptised at all!
Perhaps they'll resort to their normal terms MYSTERY because each time they're caught in their own net of confusion that's where they'll land!
You know a so called Pastor in my neighbourhood also tried to stop me from studying the Bible with JWs but after asking him many mind awakening questions he wanted to hide behind the MYSTERY wall. Then i asked him 'i know MYSTERY means something that is not explanatory, so if it is mystery to you,then what are you doing here? are you here just to disturb me with what you yourself can't explain? Since then he only responds to my greetings,that's if i sight him to greet if not he'll just frown his face and walk away!

Christianity Etc › Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 11:19pm On Mar 16, 2019*

Maximus69:
Well this is the first time your quotation truthfully convey the meaning that's really touching.
Jesus said that, and JWs are truthfully producing some sort of fruit that's undeniably obvious to all!

Maximus69:
Hi Five!

{Philippians 2:3} Don’t Let Pride Be Your Guide “Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves.” Allow me to continual-and lets bring you back down to level 01.
{Luke 12:15} Then he said to them, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.”
{1 Corinthians 6:10} nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
In other words don't take all the glory-where it doesn't rightfully belong to you in the first place..
{Matthew 2:5} All their deeds are done for men to see..
{Romans 13:9} For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
{Matthew 15:17-19} Don’t you know that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and then is expelled as waste?
But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and it is those things that make a person unclean. It is out of the heart that evil thoughts come, as well as murder, adultery, sexual immorality, stealing, false testimony, and slander.

Maximus69:
By their fruit!
Hmmm, that's a thoughtful one there Sir, i which that fruit is just as repulsive and obsolete to quantify the JWs,people all across the globe can SEE the type of fruit that has been produced by JWs!
By their fruit! Well this is the first time your quotation truthfully convey the meaning that's really touching.
Jesus said that, and JWs are truthfully producing some sort of fruit that's undeniably obvious to all!
So Jehovah's Witnesses has successfully produced some notable fruits because they're well organised and always efficient with their own religious activities.
How i wish to say that about those also claiming Christians but aren't recognisable in any way as they're NONE DENOMINATIONAL,therefore they can always go unnoticed by any notable fruit just as Jesus' followers were recognised and labelled Christians in Anthioc! Act 11:26

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