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LoJ:
@budaatum

I don't know if this is the right thread for this. Since it is still virgin, we might as well settle here. If needed I will. Open a new one for that.

I read everywhere these days people claiming that you have left atheism for Christianity. I have been following your posts for quite some time now, and I may have missed that. I also fail to see any major shift in your spiritual perspective, although it is true that you have displayed an increased use of biblical lexicon and verses, but nothing out of the ordinary.

I also never considered you a pure atheist (in the materialistic sense) but rather a "state of mind" atheist as per the Taoist approach.

Do let me know, is there any substance to the claims? If yes, what happened? Tell me more.

Shepherd00:
Thank you for being so patient with me. I appreciate.

And why will the Op say he'd enter into the Kingdom of God even if he were a Jackass/stupid person?


What is the connection?

bloodofthelamb:
Hmm, let's take stock of the works of some of the men you mentioned.

Abraham: He is called father of faith and not of works. left to me, Abraham won't be righteous because he lied to save his neck. He doubted God because if he didn't he wouldn't have slept with his wife's maid( Hagar), after God has promised him a son. He would've refused Sarah's offer. Secondly, Abraham received a report that he was righteous when he believed God, not because of his good works which was a by product of grace at work in him.

Verdict- Righteous by grace!

David: Nicknamed as a man after God's own heart. David stole someone's wife and added murder to it. David disobeyed God by counting the people after the express command of God not to. You will do well to take David out of your list because he was a man who prayed like this, "have mercy on me according to your loving kindness."

David eyes was always on God's unfailing love and mercy, and not on what he himself did right or wrong.

Verdict-Righteous by grace!

Moses: Moses was a murderer. He was hot tempered. Moses disobeyed God as well. he struck Christ (the Rock) when he was suppose to speak to it.

Verdict- Righteous by grace!

Job: Job was a fear monger who sacrifice daily thinking that either he or his sons might have sinned against God. I see no difference between Job and the Pharisee Jesus talked about. When calamity struck him, he was busy blowing his trumpet. How he has not look at a woman lustfully and how he helps the poor and so on and on.

Verdict- Righteous by grace!

bloodofthelamb:
You are the one saying so. He that is born of God cannot continue to live wrongly, for the seed of God is in him.

solite3:
The other sinner whose works where bad was justified before God because he recognized his need of salvation and reach out to God for mercy.

solite3:
The question is, do you recognize you are a sinner who need God's mercy?

bloodofthelamb:
God is present in us even if we are living wrong. He is in us patiently believing that we will walk the right path He has set before us.

Shepherd00:
What are these fruits of the Holy Ghost.

Shepherd00:
Oh, Okay. But how do we enter into it?

jcross19:
am not asking you sir.

Shepherd00:
Buda have you seen this movie? 'The Island'

Shepherd00:
What is the Kingdom of God and where is it?

Shepherd00:
Or you"all join them in atheism.

Shepherd00:
The only true Christian in Nairaland

ABCthings:
;DPseudo-false
that is we wouldn't consider them as humans rather be ordinary replica
like china-made, carbon-copies.

ABCthings:
Yep!
and the creation of clones itself is unneccesary, they are prone to psychological trauma(feeling inferior)
but wait! what if they are pseudo-humans
will killing them still be wrong?

jcross19:
are you really called by God? have God instructed you to move down to Nigeria ? when God speaks to you do you think you need people's opinion. let him direct you if truly you have the call of God on you.

LordReed:
Forget that noise. We cried in worship and adoration over the beauty and majesty of Jesus, that imaginary Jesus in our heads who we believed was real but is just a mind virus transmitted through the bible and church organisations. We even felt his love wash over us not knowing we were inducing emotional reactions by ourselves for ourselves. What the heck do you think we didn't experience?

CC: budaatum

ABCthings:
So how does this relate to Clones?

jesusjnr2:
Hello Bro.

Michellekabod2 and budaatum.

Here's the thread link to michellekabod2 conversion story:

https://www.nairaland.com/5023710/thank-god-finally-don-port

There you'll also find buda's testimony.

God bless.

solite3:
the fact is you are lost but still holding to your filthy morality which has already been decimated by psalm 15 and 24.

Shepherd00:
What a Christian u you are.

bloodofthelamb:
The grace and mercy of God teaches us to live right, but our living right and nice behavior is not the reason for God's presence and power in our life.

avled:
What I find interesting is that when I posted this, mostly all the response equated CHURCH WITH MONEY or BUSINESSMAN or ENTREPRENEUR. But it appears that many think of Church as a money making business. This has grieved my heart for the country and people of Nigeria.

asalimpo:
yeah,it's just a book like other books. Made of paper and bound. Any glaring error such as these could hav been spotted long ago. So this point u raised is pointless. A book that predicted the birth,death,burial and resurrection of the MESSIAH; HUhdreds of years bf the event by different authors! A book that predicts the future with bulls eye accuracy. The rise nd fall of world empires ahead of time! Just a book. Think. It's not in issues of basic counting that they'll stumble. If u dont believe thts ur problem. But attacking its accuracy on nothing but conjecture is pointless

malvisguy212:
yes, The scripture teaches predestination, but not Calvinistic
Predestination. it is the character of the save God predetermined and not the identity of the saved.


What is foreknown by God in these verse?Personal identity? Or Character, purpose & plan ?.

Ephesians 1:3-4, "Blessed be the God
and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who
hath blessed us with all spiritual
blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
According as he hath CHOSEN US IN HIM
BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, that
we should be HOLY AND WITHOUT BLAME
before him in love:

Here, the verse is talking about the Nature of the save (character ) that they should be blameless .

1 Timothy 4:10, "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of ALL MEN , specially of THOSE THAT BELIEVE ."

You see, salvation is conditional. Christ died for
all men, but not all believe and accept His gift
of salvation.

johnydon22:
irritated
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johnydon22:
An explanation will be in order even though i have explained this over and over before.

johnydon22:
Ok here goes, a snappy one: Morality is an imagined order, imagined orders are not personal beliefs, it is a collection of beliefs in a principle.

johnydon22:
Any imagined order only makes sense and is effective as an intersubjective principle. E.g: money.

The value of money is as a result of a collective belief by everyone.

Once everyone loses this belief, the concept becomes useless.

johnydon22:
If every in Nigeria agrees today that the states in the Eastern part of the country will now be known as Biafra, it automatically becomes Biafra. The land or the people didn't change, only the belief did.

johnydon22:
Imagined orders aren't personal as they are concepts that transpire between a collective whole.

Nnamdi Kanu saying, he is a Biafran doesn't make it so. He may believe it but it is not effective, it doesn't make SE Biafra.

Mr A saying, i don't believe in money, doesn't make money any less valuable - the only thing that would is everyone who believes in this value to lose this belief.

Likewise, one person saying, I don't believe stealing is wrong affect the moral weight of that action since morality refers to interactive actions.

johnydon22:
If only man lived on earth, they won't be a "killing is wrong".

It takes an intersubjective belief in this principle by a given clime.

johnydon22:
So there are three natures of morality in ethics;

1. Objective morality - Morality as an inherent part of the universe, a transcendent quality. This is the most meaningful conceptualization since it is non-arbitrary by definition - alas, only as a philosophical position since it doesn't work like it

johnydon22:
3. Subjective which by definition is meaningless since it eliminates the interactive considerations of a moral action.

johnydon22:
But then, basis in morality refers to fundamental derivative beliefs we use to insill moral values.

E.g: Killing is wrong.

Mr A killed an ant
Mr B killed a human?

Who do we abhor? Mr B of course, why? Aren't both guilty of killing?

This implies that the nature of being right or wrong isn't necessarily in the action. The weight of right or wrong comes with our fundamental assumption on the subject.

johnydon22:
So, for us to think killing a human is a graver abhorrence to killing say an ant, means our value belief of both subjects aren't on par.

johnydon22:
So when i ask for moral basis, it is not to say i do not agree with your reasons for a moral judgement, it is because a conclusion without basis makes an assumption that moral quality is an intrinsic part of an action which is demonstrably not so.

johnydon22:
You seem to be quite irked. Lol. So much for not being bothered.

Says Johny was rude, couldn't say why Johny was rude.

Got angry because Johny called his argument puerile then said he isn't bothered about it.

It is apparent, you snapped immediately after the "puerile" statement, you got to make your mind dude and stick to it.

Do you care or not cus the way you have been moaning about it, seems you care very much