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Christianity Etc › Re: Mystical Christianity - An Loj Perspective by budaatum: 10:56pm On Mar 20, 2019
LoJ:
Christ in himself is more of an internal godly state of consciousness.
If you don't create somewhere ('church') to teach this you do us all a disservice. But, you do, so you don't, thank God.
Christianity Etc › Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 10:51pm On Mar 20, 2019
johnydon22:
lol. Intersubjective. Morality is a belief system.
A subjective beliefs system held by subjective humans?

What does "intersubjective" mean please?
Christianity Etc › Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 10:48pm On Mar 20, 2019
johnydon22:
I was being rude by sayiny Buda's argument is puerile then. Lol
I wasn't bothered with your "puerile". You couldn't even spell it right so I assumed you might not know what it meant either. But even if you did, it still didn't bother me since its just your subjective opinion.
Christianity Etc › Re: No One Has Surpassed The 120yrs Age Limit Set By GOD by budaatum: 10:44pm On Mar 20, 2019
asalimpo:
So the bible is lying and your logic is right? Suit yourself. If the years were so much as wrong, critics would hav pointed it out long ago. Jesus also didnt walk on water right? That's a fable.
The bible can't lie! Its just a book and not a person. Those who wrote it could be mistaken though, or their year may not be the same as ours. They could have meant 900 months which is a mere more plausible 75 years.
Christianity Etc › Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 10:38pm On Mar 20, 2019
johnydon22:
Yes? So?
Subjective humans?
Christianity Etc › Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 10:37pm On Mar 20, 2019
johnydon22:
lol. Ok. Johnydon is uncivil because he said Buda's argument is puerile, lmao.
No, not because you said buda's argument was puerile but because you were being rude.
Christianity Etc › Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 10:36pm On Mar 20, 2019
johnydon22:
Accepted moral principles
Accepted by humans and made by humans.
Christianity Etc › Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 10:35pm On Mar 20, 2019
johnydon22:
Lmao. Uncivility. Gold
It is said that "good manners don't cost much", and good behaviour is better than silver and gold". The first at least does works for me especially when I'm on the receiving side of it. But don't take my subjective word for it. Try it yourself if you wish.
Christianity Etc › Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 10:08pm On Mar 20, 2019
johnydon22:
Lmao. Uncivility. Gold
It is said that "good manners don't cost much", and good behaviour is better than silver and gold". The first at least does works for me especially when I'm on the receiving side of it. But don't take my subjective word for it. Try it yourself if you wish.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Jesusmirror Is The Only True Mirror, Every Other Mirror Na Counterfeit! by budaatum: 9:50pm On Mar 20, 2019
Martinez39:
is he dead?
There is a way dead could mean spiritually dead. One can die on Nairaland by just digitally dying on Nairaland and still be alive in the world somewhere, which I hope he is. One can also resurrect too.
Christianity Etc › Re: Are People Predestined To Heaven /hell? by budaatum: 9:46pm On Mar 20, 2019
malvisguy212:
if I may ask , what was predestined in this verse ?

Romans 8:29-30, "For whom he did
foreknow, he also did PREDESTINED TO BE CONFORM TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON, that
he might be the firstborn among many
brethren. Moreover whom he did
predestinate, them he also called: and
whom he called, them he also justified:
and whom he justified, them he also
glorified."
Thus, as in the next passage (Ephesians 1), it was God's eternal plan that we become His children through Christ. not some or few, BUT ALL become His children through Christ. the verse is talking about Christ assembly and not selected individuals.
The word predestined is clearly there. And if you read my response to Ihedinobi3, you'd read where I said "There is a way they do fit". But the above to me cannot mean some are specifically predestined to accept Christ and go to heaven and some are predestined not to and go to hell. If that were the case then everyone just better accept their lot and those who do accept Christ should not bother preaching to those who are already predestined by God to go to hell. My own view is that accepting Christ or not is a personal choice that everyone makes with their own freewill regardless of what Paul's view is to the Romans. Paul, after all is not the Almighty God.

Let me know what you think please.
Christianity Etc › Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 9:35pm On Mar 20, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
Except of very recent indeed almost 4 years ago by johnydon22(m): 1:15pm On Jun 20, 2015
He's been this way since 2015 and not seen a reason to change at all?! That might explain why we've not engaged much since I tend to swerve past uncivil people.

I wonder if you might be civil with me please johnydon22? You have a lot to teach me and it's not fair of you to deprive me with such an unnecessary thing as uncivility. I'd be most grateful, I promise.
Christianity Etc › Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 9:31pm On Mar 20, 2019
ABCthings:
So,why is killing anyone wrong to you?
Killing anyone is wrong for me because I doubt I'd like how I might feel if I killed someone and I don't like feeling bad so I stay away from such things. I get this feeling from studying people killing and how killers feel and how I imagine I might feel if I were killed. I'd be dead if killed and miss everything that happens afterwards and life is way too interesting for me to be forced to miss it all. I reckon the person I kill might feel the same way I might so I'd rather not be the cause of such feelings in another.
Christianity Etc › Re: No One Has Surpassed The 120yrs Age Limit Set By GOD by budaatum: 2:23pm On Mar 20, 2019
TVSA:
cheesy cheesy living word of God
That's what one makes it if one breathes life into the words and lives it. Otherwise, it's lifeless words on the pages of just another book.
Christianity Etc › Re: No One Has Surpassed The 120yrs Age Limit Set By GOD by budaatum: 2:15pm On Mar 20, 2019
TVSA:
grin grin if there's a chance to edit the bible, many things will be removed.
There's alway been chances and things are constantly removed. However, there's a limit to which we can go now since many have copies of what's available today and further editing discredits it. So we do it in our minds instead, and hence is it called the living word of God. It lives in our minds and as our minds grow so does our capacity to comprehend grow and a new more relevant understanding and interpretation steps forth just as Christ did in the dark.
Christianity Etc › Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 2:08pm On Mar 20, 2019
johnydon22:
Nope, morality is practically intersubjective like every other imagined order such as money, government, corporations etc..
You've been touting that word "intersubjective" now for so long that one can possibly call you it's prophet, yet your sermons on it have not exactly flown, have they? Might that be the source of your frustration perhaps, that's made you the uncivil being you seem to be becoming? You could just educate us you know instead of insulting us for being not so wise as you!

Anyway, my morality is subject to me. I choose the morals I adopt and do not need any external objective basis on which to choose them. I don't kill people because I don't like being killed and assume other's might not like me killing them either. An objective reason could be, if I kill I could go to jail. But that not why I don't kill. I don't kill people because I don't like killing people, simple. Same goes for being uncivil. Uncivility makes people sound stupid and ignorant to me. It's a thing ignorant people resort to when they haven't really got anything worthwhile to say so they cover up their inadequacies with even more inadequacies. I'm however stupid and ignorant enough as I am so why shroud my self in even more stupidity and ignorance!? But thats me, with my subjective opinion subject to me. I can't exactly say its objective and it doesn't need to be since I'm not claiming some external source for my opinion and stance nor asking anyone else to adopt it. If I don't like uncivil people I can very easily ignore them. And if I don't like killers I can run away or die. Se la vie.

Can I just use my own mind to subjectively decide my morals for myself johnydon22?

johnydon22:
Like i said, there is something inherently wrong with a moral conclusion that do not have a derivative basis, it is as illogical as a "God did it" answer from a theist.
"Like you said", Prophet johnydon22, Lol! Or is it God johnydon22?

Please note that I am stupid, ignorant, naive, wrong, puerile, illogical, very human buda. Maybe if you educate me please, I too can become Prophet or God johnydon22 too. Though, if it includes uncivility, you, can, keep it, thank you.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Jesusmirror Is The Only True Mirror, Every Other Mirror Na Counterfeit! by budaatum: 1:27pm On Mar 20, 2019
Martinez39:
grin Nah. Have you checked out the moniker sciencewatch? He is a T.B. Joshua apologist and ass licker. He believes and claims that scientists all over the world are tuning in to Emmanuel TV to learn more about reality. He claims that the preaching, fulfilled prophecies and miracles performed in the Synagogue Church (which are captured on Emmanuel TV ) have drawn the attention of scientists and are informing them on reality. grin I kid you not. grin

Too bad sciencewatch has left Nairaland. grin
Are the wages of stupidity not death?
Christianity Etc › Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 1:26pm On Mar 20, 2019
johnydon22:
Actually, it isn't.

Lmao. There are Christians in both Nigeria and Uk that believe a homosexual is going to hell. Innit?

Oh i think your arguments on morality is peurile alright.

I have not even made 1 moral claim. I have only been asking how you reach a moral conclusion of which you seem unable to say.

Isn't that funny?

Again i ask, why is killing wrong?
Morality is in the eye of the beholder unless you want to impose some heavenly godly morals on everyone. Most have abandoned that idea so they impose laws instead to guide morals. But even laws have their limitations so the wiser add education to it too to guide your morals, and prison if you break the law.

Can I ask you questions? Why are you so uncivil? Why do you think your opinion is any more less puerile to anyone else's? Are you well in the head? I'm just wondering johnydon22 because I can't quite recall you being this way except of very recent!
Christianity Etc › Re: No One Has Surpassed The 120yrs Age Limit Set By GOD by budaatum: 1:15pm On Mar 20, 2019
TVSA:
People lived beyond that in the bible.
No they didn't! Remember how inadequate, stupid and blind I was when I wrote it so many millenia after the events themselves had happened?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mental Disorder Called Atheism. Must Read For All Nairaland Christians by budaatum: 1:04pm On Mar 20, 2019
budaatum:
The great pity is that unbeknown to you, it would seem, your style of argument projects your mental state and if you could only see, you would find what you've written here applies to you.

But one need not bother about the forest in ones own eye, I suppose, when one can focus better on the twig in the eye of others.
Thank you liker for liking this and thereby reminding me of it. It rather fits and applies to some of similar nature currently on here long after the individual this response was for and who appears to have passed away. Incidentally was I thinking how such people tend to die off after they've exhibited their so called godliness on here. Tares are some amongst wheat, both growing together until the harvest when they are bound in bundles and [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+13%3A24-30&version=NKJV]burnt[/url]". Only to find that an Angel of the Lord was liking and therefore reminding me of a similar incidence from the past while I slept!

In the name of the Lord Almighty, you will not be like those who build on Nairaland without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately they fall in great ruin! You will think deep and lay your foundation on the rock so when the flood arises and the stream beat vehemently against that thought, you will not shake for you are founded on the rock. A people of power is rising up here and you are one of them. Amen.
Christianity Etc › Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 12:26pm On Mar 20, 2019
johnydon22:
Lol. The dilemma of secular morality, moral conclusions without basis.

This thing is wrong to me
It is not wrong to mr B

Therefore it is not even wrong at all.

Something like morality cannot be personal or it's simply meaningless.

And even if it is personal, you still must have a derivative basis to it which you seem not have.

Killing is wrong
Why?
Because it is to me.

Lmao that's funny! You people are funny!
Unfortunately, morality is precisely like that. Homosexuality is one to note. If you're gay in Nigeria you are going to hell while UK has a Gay Parade and neither can give a reason the other will accept.

But hey! If you think we are so puerile and funny and worthy of your condescension you are very welcome to educate us with your view and raise our morals to your lofty level please.
Politics › Re: Osun Governorship Election Tribunal Judgement Is On Friday, 22nd March by budaatum: 2:28am On Mar 20, 2019
deboysben:
Adeleke should warm up for the task of being a governor

Cuz the judgement will surely favor him
I'm laughing at you in advance.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The True Focus Of Your Religion? by budaatum: 2:18am On Mar 20, 2019
Seun:
Focus of all religions: World domination. Self-perpetuation. Growth of membership.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Are Your Views About The Kingdom Of God? by budaatum: 2:17am On Mar 20, 2019
ukor:
cheesy What are your views about the Kingdom of God?
Christianity Etc › Re: What does it take to be Godly? by budaatum: 2:16am On Mar 20, 2019
babagana:
Nigerians mention God in everything they do but do the complete opposite of what any God fearing/loving person will do.

Example: recent elections were clearly believed to be heavilly rigged but very few Nigerians will even accept this simple truth.
Example: a Governor in this country was arrested with funds before the recent one only to be suspended for a short while and later re-instated. The recent Bayelsa event is beyond comment.

Do we really think we can eat our cake and have it or do Nigerians generally think they can cheat God?
Christianity Etc › Re: 'God made man in his own image'? by budaatum: 2:15am On Mar 20, 2019
exu:
What exactly does this mean, that God made man "in is own image"huh

Does this mean that man was once perfect, or that God is not faultlesshuh

Or is the Bible simply talking about physical attributeshuh

OR; is it simply untrue, a mistake by the writerhuh

Thanks for your time.
Christianity Etc › Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by budaatum: 2:05am On Mar 20, 2019
dalaman:
Is incest wrong?
Some religions like Islam allow it. What about having sex with children? Islam and Judaism allow it also. Some traditional religious traditions involve bestiality.

How does objective morality come into play here? Is incest objectively right? According to Muslims, Allah who is the giver of objective morals permits them to engage in it and also permits them to marry children.
Education › Re: A Hotel Or An Hotel, Which One Is Correct? by budaatum: 1:51am On Mar 20, 2019
Christianity Etc › Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 12:11am On Mar 20, 2019
ABCthings:
So the US killing Osama Bin Laden is wrong abi?
even if I don't want to be killed you killing me doesn't make your action wrohg.
Killing anyone is wrong for me, ABC, regardless of whether the killed likes it or not. It's so wrong for me that I can't possibly kill anyone. And in my opinion, killing OBL is wrong too especially if he could have been captured (and I believe he could have), and tried for his crimes which is what I'd prefer. Thankfully, no one is asking me to pass judgement on his killers, but if I were, they'd be guilty as charged.
Christianity Etc › Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 11:52pm On Mar 19, 2019
johnydon22:
Again, i ask; if i find it wrong, why is it wrong?
Please know that your reasons for liking or not liking me slapping you or thinking its right or wrong is irrelevant to me.
Christianity Etc › Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 11:50pm On Mar 19, 2019
johnydon22:
Again, i ask; if i find it wrong, why is it wrong?

You got to keep up dude. Even if i entertain this obviously peurile conceptualization of morality, it will still come back to the same moral problem. Lol
It's wrong because you find it wrong! Just as I might find you calling my conceptualisation puerile, wrong. After all, I may be offended. But of what concern should my hurt ego be of yours?

I think the issue here might be that you might be one of those objective moralists while I'm not. I might not find an act wrong but you might. And that's perfectly okay with me especially if its an act with consequences that affect you and if my morals happen to include not ignoring how my action affects you..

Take for instance, slapping you. I may find great pleasure in the act of lifting up my arm, directing my palm towards you, and at a high velocity hitting it against your face. But I might accept the fact that you might not like being slapped. If you do however, not mind, I've met a soul mate who would enjoy being slapped by me all day long which I highly enjoy. And if you do mind, well, who cares what you think as long as I have my fun?

I'm stating how I feel about a thing, johnydon22, and what I find moral or immoral for me to do, and not establishing some moral code that everyone has to subscribe to. After all, I'm only buda, and not some god who gets to dictate to others what they must or can or can't or mustn't do.

Let me know if I may slap you please.
Christianity Etc › Re: Will It Be Moral To Make Clones For Organ Harvesting? by budaatum: 11:02pm On Mar 19, 2019
johnydon22:
Me minding doesn't make anything right or wrong. I need you guys to really catch up on moral arguments i don't even know how else to explain it.

You said killing is wrong
Why?
Because it deprives someone of something that belongs to them.

Then, why is depriving someone of his stuff wrong?

This is the next question.

It is a simple question Budaatum; Not liking something isn't same as right or wrong, is it?
I presented my argument. I brought it into your home for you to decide. I used your preferences as my criteria to determine whether it's right or wrong. I've arranged with my people to visit you. All you have to do is tell me you are happy and I will agree with you. My position is that morality is in the eye of whom it affects, you, in this instance.

Where's your address please?

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