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Christianity Etc › Re: The Mystical Life by budaatum(op): 5:56pm On Feb 14, 2019

Babacele:
if ordinary mortals can use certain vowel sounds to impreginate matter to create or cause certain phenomena beyond an everyday experience,is it the Most Intelligent God that won't be able to bring forth the manifestation of the logos through a Virgin? It may be beyond your comprehension.

Praise Jesus!

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Christians Celebrate Valentine? by budaatum: 5:49pm On Feb 14, 2019

Christmas. Presents! I can't wait!

Christianity Etc › Re: Nigeria Can't Move Forward If U Don't Go Back To Our Forefather Dieties by budaatum: 5:45pm On Feb 14, 2019

What If Christians Ruled The World? by frosbel2

Christianity Etc › Re: What If Christians Ruled The World ? by budaatum: 5:44pm On Feb 14, 2019

frosbel2:
What about this new testament teaching ;

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" - Luke 19:27

Lazy Christians! I can't believe they let you get away with this! What about it Frosbel2?

The Parable of the Ten Minas
(Matthew 25:14-30)

11While the people were listening to this, Jesus proceeded to tell them a parable, because He was near Jerusalem and they thought the kingdom of God would appear imminently. 12So He said, “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to lay claim to his kingship and then return. 13Beforehand, he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.a ‘Conduct business with this until I return,’ he said.

14But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We do not want this man to rule over us.’

15When he returned from procuring his kingship, he summoned the servants to whom he had given the money, to find out what each one had earned.

16The first servant came forward and said, ‘Master, your mina has produced ten more minas.’

17His master replied, ‘Well done, good servant! Because you have been faithful in a very small matter, you shall have authority over ten cities.’

18The second servant came and said, ‘Master, your mina has made five minas.’

19And to this one he said, ‘You shall have authority over five cities.’

20Then another servant came and said, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have laid away in a piece of cloth. 21For I was afraid of you, because you are a harsh man. You withdraw what you did not deposit and reap what you did not sow.’

22His master replied, ‘You wicked servant, I will judge you by your own words. So you knew that I am a harsh man, withdrawing what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow? 23Why then did you not deposit my money in the bank, and upon my return I could have collected it with interest?’

24Then he told those standing by, ‘Take the mina from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’

25‘Master,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’

26He replied, ‘I tell you that everyone who has will be given more; but the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 27And these enemies of mine who were unwilling for me to rule over them, bring them here and slay them in front of me.’”

Please note. Every word of mine still stands, even the one's where I poopooed the Almighty Everlasting Mighty Creator of the entire heaven and the earth and buda. Do not hesitate to quote where I need to wiggle. Evil must not go unchecked!

Christianity Etc › Re: God And Shoes.... by budaatum: 5:09pm On Feb 14, 2019

JujuSugar:
Pick up a shoe.....
Can you observe it with any OR all of your 5 senses? If you can, you are able to have as much certainty of this fact as anything else in the world. You'll never see two people debating the existence of shoes. That would be an exercise in stupidity.....
In contrast, the existence of a god is much less certain.

You can't claim we don't spend much time and effort on the subject so, why do we debate the existence of a god then, juju? Haven't we got better things to do like put on our shoes and go for a walk? Do note that we do not spend much time debating the Most Holy Spaghetti Monster, since we are in total agreement about its state of existence. Might it that be gods are way more important that shoes?

JujuSugar:
Many reasonable and intelligent people become atheists and arguments for God's existence always have reasonable counter arguments.

This is true. The evidence as seen on here confirms that "Many reasonable and intelligent people become atheists and arguments for God's existence always have reasonable counter arguments." And in fact, apart from buda, I don't know that any atheist has gone the other way. But that might be because buda is not "reasonable and intelligent" anymore.

JujuSugar:
"Experiences" of God can be hard to distinguish from mere psychological or sociological effects.....

I put it to you that God is exactly what you are finding hard to "distinguish from mere psychological or sociological effects".

JujuSugar:
So the state of humanity is thus: we find ourselves in a world with an epistemological framework such that we are far more likely to know that a pencil exists than that God exists!

Epistemological means "the knowledge of what we know and how we know it" , which are:

INTUITIVE KNOWLEDGE takes forms such as belief, faith, intuition, etc. It is based on feelings rather than hard, cold "facts."

AUTHORITATIVE KNOWLEDGE is based on information received from people, books, a supreme being, etc. Its strength depends on the strength of these sources.

LOGICAL KNOWLEDGE is arrived at by reasoning from "point A" (which is generally accepted) to "point B" (the new knowledge).

EMPIRICAL KNOWLEDGE is based on demonstrable, objective facts (which are determined through observation and/or experimentation).

(Vaxx, this is an area in which I bow to you. I think you have a thread on it, if you'd educate me please, I'd like to link it here.)

So, I ask, while our epistemological framework (the, what we know), may allow us to be "far more likely to know that a pencil exists", are you suggesting our epistemological framework is so vast that we know whether "God exists"?

Is it not therefore truer to claim that, "we find ourselves in a world and have developed an epistemological framework by which we understand it, but our epistemological framework of the world is as incomplete as that of those who wrote God created the heavens and the earth, in the entire scheme of things"?

JujuSugar:
Having established all this, here is my question....
Now, if God really does exist and wants a relationship with us -- and if this relationship is the single most important thing to "get right" --

You have not established anything yet, juju! What benefit is it to God whether you relate with God or not? Why would an Almighty God want a relationship with you? On what basis do you rest you "relationship is the single most important thing to "get right"?

JujuSugar:
then why would God not give us more epistemic access to his own existence … than that of a shoe??. Doesn't this seem incompatible with the existence of a god who wants to have a relationship with us?

I don't agree that "God wants to have a relationship with anybody", juju. Explain to me why you think God wants to have a relationship with you!

In your honour juju. As your's is the first to evoke a "there is God" post from buda.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Does It Mean To Be Called By God's Name? by budaatum: 4:12pm On Feb 14, 2019

To me, to be called by God's name is complete disobedience to God who clearly said, "There is no other God". And when I take it to extremes, even calling Jesus the Son of God, God, is a sin, or at least, an error that God would most likely overlook since God sent him.

That said, consider the opinion expressed in What does the Bible mean by “you are gods” / "ye are gods" in Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34?

Christianity Etc › Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 3:59pm On Feb 14, 2019

JujuSugar:
What do you think, budaatum?

I did some research and found a better expression is Metaphysical Spirituality and have opened a thread to explore it while I think since it would be off topic here.

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Christianity Etc › Metaphysical Spirituality by budaatum(op): 3:45pm On Feb 14, 2019

Work in progress. First, a definition

Metaphysical Spirituality is a science, philosophy, and religion based on the life, teachings, and demonstrations of all Master Teachers. It seeks to understand the invisible, spiritual nature of all life which transcends the physical, material plane in which we now live.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 3:43pm On Feb 14, 2019

TATIME:
Yes and you too can try it to see that Jehovah is good! Psalm 34:8

Those who are in Christ know that:

Oh, when the rain fall, fall, fall now
It don't fall on JWs alone.
Remember that, when the rain fall
It don't fall on one man's housetop.

Because, God is the Maker of everyone regardless what they may think in their heads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q5VMP84Bo4

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Does It Mean To Be Called By God's Name? by budaatum: 3:01pm On Feb 14, 2019

Ubenedictus:
I do not regurgitate what i am told, I hold a position because i am convinced it is correct not just because someone said it.

If u disagree then disagree but dont insinuate that i dont do my own thinking.

Uben, I do not think you regurgitated what you were told. And on this topic I am very dissatisfied with what you are "convinced is correct". It would seem you don't quite get my spirit, how dare someone like you whom I hold in very high esteem think I think they haven't a brain huh

I have read your posts and know that if you take time to pray on the issues raised on this thread, you will enlighten me much more than you did in your initial response which I critiqued as not your own thinking!

Please bookmark this thread so that you can easily find it when you receive missive from the HS. I must not be deprived of the wisdom that dwells in U Ben!

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Anyone Prove That The "Soul" Exists by budaatum: 2:45pm On Feb 14, 2019

UceeGod:
The soul is the functions the mind, will and emotions

I'm a Christian, my Bible tells me that the soul is a separate entity from the spirit. When God created man, He made man a spiritual being like He is. When God breath into the earth suite i.e when the spirit came into the body, man became a living soul - the soul is produced when the spirit comes into the body . This means when man's spirit was active as created by God before the fall, man's soul (mind, volition and emotions) was subject to the spirit only. Of course the spirit is the only medium through which God's Spirit can communicate with man. Because of the fall of man, God's Spirit left man so that man's soul could only be controlled by his body. Thus humanity has since then thought the soul and spirit are the same.

God in His infinite mercy has made a way for man's redemption through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, anyone who believes in Him will have his spirit regenerated and be able to relate with his Creator. Additionally, God's uncreated life will be in that man through His Holy Spirit so that such a man will know who he really is, why he's here on this earth and his eternal destiny after this earthly life.

I bear witness that your 'Bible' is truth!

Christianity Etc › Re: God And Shoes.... by budaatum: 2:25pm On Feb 14, 2019

HappyPagan:
"spirit and truth" is vague and ambiguous, at least enough to let in crooks, vampires and old men with Messiah complex.

As muttley would say, "when you know, you know". Those who have visited the Jesustician and paid for Jesusglasses which they now wear would tell the difference.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 1:19pm On Feb 14, 2019*

TATIME:
Yes and you too can try it to see that Jehovah is good! Psalm 34:8
Anywhere i go throughout the world! i'll not lodge in a hotel but in the comfort Home of my SPIRITUAL brothers and sisters{JWs}.
So as it's Good for me,it will also be good for you too,if you become a JW today!

Are you trying to force your resolve on me because you "think some ideas are BAD or TERRIBLE?"

My mission is to the world and not the already saved Tat. Besides, I don't need free hotel room since the Lord takes care of that. And if I needed a bed from you you would not say no to me, "until you become a JW buda", unless you wish to go to hell.

It is not the being in the same sect that makes my Lord my brother tat. My Lord is my brother because the Lord created him and me.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Way by budaatum(op): 2:10am On Feb 14, 2019

Proverbs 7 Amplified Bible (AMP)
The Wiles of the Prostitute
7 My son, keep my words
And treasure my commandments within you [so they are readily available to guide you].
2
Keep my commandments and live,
And keep my teaching and law as the apple of your eye.
3
Bind them [securely] on your fingers;
Write them on the tablet of your heart.
4
Say to [skillful and godly] wisdom, “You are my sister,”
And regard understanding and intelligent insight as your intimate friends;
5
That they may keep you from the immoral woman,
From the foreigner [who does not observe God’s laws and] who flatters with her [smooth] words.

6
For at the window of my house
I looked out through my lattice.
7
And among the naive [the inexperienced and gullible],
I saw among the youths
A young man lacking [good] sense,
8
Passing through the street near her corner;
And he took the path to her house
9
In the twilight, in the evening;
In the black and dark night.
10
And there a woman met him,
Dressed as a prostitute and sly and cunning of heart.
11
She was boisterous and rebellious;
[a]She would not stay at home.
12
At times she was in the streets, at times in the market places,
Lurking and setting her ambush at every corner.
13
So she caught him and kissed him
And with a brazen and impudent face she said to him:
14
“I have peace offerings with me;
Today I have paid my vows.
15
“So I came out to meet you [that you might share with me the feast of my offering],
Diligently I sought your face and I have found you.
16
“I have spread my couch with coverings and cushions of tapestry,
With colored fine linen of Egypt.
17
“I have perfumed my bed
With myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon.
18
“Come, let us drink our fill of love until morning;
Let us console and delight ourselves with love.
19
“For my husband is not at home.
He has gone on a long journey;
20
He has taken a bag of money with him,
And he will come home on the appointed day.”
21
With her many persuasions she caused him to yield;
With her flattering lips she seduced him.
22
Suddenly he went after her, as an ox goes to the slaughter [not knowing the outcome],
Or as one in stocks going to the correction [to be given] to a fool,
23
Until an arrow pierced his liver [with a mortal wound];
Like a bird fluttering straight into the net,
He did not know that it would cost him his life.

24
Now therefore, my sons, listen to me,
And pay attention to the words of my mouth.
25
Do not let your heart turn aside to her ways,
Do not stray into her [evil, immoral] paths.
26
For she has cast down many [mortally] wounded;
Indeed, all who were killed by her were strong.
27
Her house is the way to [b]Sheol,
Descending to the chambers of death.

Christianity Etc › Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 1:54am On Feb 14, 2019

TATIME:
The only spirituals brothers i have are JWs,anywhere you find a JW know that you've met Tatime's spiritual brother,sister,mother or father. Apart from JWs,any other person is my NEIGHBOUR!

Good for you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 9:30pm On Feb 13, 2019

TATIME:
Na wa ooooo! So you and LordReed are not spiritual brothers. Ojigbijigbijigbi
OK so you now believe in GOD,God,god after all those NO MIND CONTROLLING stuff.
Iruironborun.

Me and my Lord are most definitely spiritual brothers! We have been here spiritualising one another and cannot but be family!

Is my Lord not your spiritual brother? huh

Christianity Etc › Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 8:47pm On Feb 13, 2019

TATIME:
Oh budaatum,please are you also an atheist or theist? Because LordReed says persons like you saying there is anything like GOD,God or god is not an atheist!

I was an atheist. Then Jesus got me and now I am a theist.

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Christians Celebrate Valentine? by budaatum: 8:41pm On Feb 13, 2019

asuustrike1:
Therefore, "Come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you."( 2Cor 6:7).
The above scriptures is the answer to your questions

I checked my Bible and HS and “Come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you", became:

Do not behave as some do,
For salt is bitter as fuq.
But add to your dinner
Your dinner be sweeter,
Do only clean things
Says the Lord!

There was also something about buda being new to this so we shall not be so stringent but I could have been mistaken on that. Besides, I already booked this so I am going. I will fear no evil, and will mention the name of the Lord over the unclean things and they will be sanctified.

Have a happy Valentine Everyone!

Christianity Etc › Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 8:15pm On Feb 13, 2019

TATIME:
LIAR! It's the rejection of UNSEEN beings thought to be superior to VISIBLE intelligent creatures. So an atheist can claim he/she is God since those around him/her are in fear of some form of God or Gods,and the atheist feels like making them look stupid while challenging their so called unseen God! That's why some more intelligent atheists are claiming to be GODS on their own since the so called GOD of the religious people won't show up to punish them!

Is that not the power of God manifesting in them?

Christianity Etc › Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 8:12pm On Feb 13, 2019*

TATIME:
Reality or not each person has the sole right to CHOOSE how they will think and live their lives,whoever thinks some ideas are BAD or TERRIBLE shouldn't force his/her resolve on others!

Why not? Why shouldn't I force my resolve on some ideas that are BAD or TERRIBLE? Is my resolve not the Spirit of the Lord that is in me, my armour and my shield from all the darts and arrows of the devil? And you are saying I should hide it away and not wave it in everyone's face so their knees shall bow and the sheep be saved? If the sheep my Lord handcrafted are wandering off to be ate by lions, should I not enter the den of the lions to save it? If I do not, would I be a good steward?

Please note! buda, this buda, does not agree that "each person has the sole right to CHOOSE how they live their lives" if your life living negatively affects the life living of others. buda will force resolve on some ideas that are BAD or TERRIBLE. If you live them, beware.

Also note that what you write is not living but just the thoughts held inside your head, unlived, so far, and no one has control over your head, even buda with God armour and shield and sword!

Christianity Etc › Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 7:52pm On Feb 13, 2019

JujuSugar:
Do you think there's a relationship?

Do me a favour and start a 'Is there a relationship between seeing religion metaphorically and seeing it spiritually'? please and I'll pray about it. Something may come, metaphorically or spiritually.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Christian by budaatum: 1:03pm On Feb 13, 2019

paxonel:
it seems you know something about who their boss was, can you tell me something about it?

God now, innit?

God is God. There's something about their boss

Christianity Etc › Re: A Christian by budaatum: 12:45pm On Feb 13, 2019*

paxonel:
it seems you know something about who their boss was, can you tell me something about it?

Christianity Etc › Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 1:59am On Feb 13, 2019

JujuSugar:
Perhaps....
Another thing to consider sir, is that a lot of these religious scientists understand their religion as a metaphorical system of values by which they live by. Its just a yardstick in my opinion. I don't believe they take their holy books as literal facts....

No, I don't think smart people take their holy books literal. If they did and Alice Through the Looking Glass was a religious text, they'd be down a hole!

Religious scientists might likely understand metaphorically. God said, "let there be light" and there was a big bang, sort of metaphorical, after all, Newton did a metaphor and transmuted base metals into gold!

I wonder what the relationship between seeing religion metaphorically and seeing it spiritually, is?

Christianity Etc › Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 1:36am On Feb 13, 2019

JujuSugar:
Scientists being religious is not an anomaly, sir. Monotheistic religions (e.g. Christianity) and science are obviously non-contradictory, and actually have a lot of synergistic features.
A major proposal of every religion is that whatever created the world created it with an order....
An inquiry into that order is prescribed by either scripture or scholarship. Infact sir, scientific scholarship has, historically, overlapped enormously with religious scholarship, monotheistic religions have been the prime institutions driving education and, in particular, literacy throughout history..... After all, it's hard to have a small army of scripture-interpreters without having them read the scriptures and write about them.

And teach those scripture to those who can't read scripture and hence religion?

Christianity Etc › Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 1:23am On Feb 13, 2019

JujuSugar:
You don't need to be fuqed to subscribe to any religion, sir. Mere lack of understanding of how science works or the inability to explain certain mysteries is enough.

So, scientists cannot be religious? Religion is for the ignorant?

Christianity Etc › Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 1:16am On Feb 13, 2019

JujuSugar:
Isn't that the beauty of religion, sir?

That religion is for the fuqed? I guess so. Might explain why so many unfuqed people are signing up becoming angels and helping the fuqed.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Way by budaatum(op): 1:08am On Feb 13, 2019

Proverbs 6 Amplified Bible (AMP)
Parental Counsel
6 My son, if you have become surety (guaranteed a debt or obligation) for your neighbor,
If you have given your pledge for [the debt of] a stranger or another [outside your family],
2
If you have been snared with the words of your lips,
If you have been trapped by the speech of your mouth,
3
Do this now, my son, and release yourself [from the obligation];
[a]Since you have come into the hand of your neighbor,
Go humble yourself, and plead with your neighbor [to pay his debt and release you].
4
Give no [unnecessary] sleep to your eyes,
Nor slumber to your eyelids;
5
Tear yourself away like a gazelle from the hand of the hunter
And like a bird from the hand of the fowler.

6
Go to the ant, O lazy one;
Observe her ways and be wise,
7
Which, having no chief,
Overseer or ruler,
8
She prepares her food in the summer
And brings in her provisions [of food for the winter] in the harvest.
9
How long will you lie down, O lazy one?
When will you arise from your sleep [and learn self-discipline]?
10
“Yet a little sleep, a little slumber,
A little folding of the hands to lie down and rest”—
11
So your poverty will come like an approaching prowler who walks [slowly, but surely]
And your need [will come] like an armed man [making you helpless].

12
A worthless person, a wicked man,
Is one who walks with a perverse (corrupt, vulgar) mouth.
13
Who winks with his eyes [in mockery], who shuffles his feet [to signal],
Who points with his fingers [to give subversive instruction];
14
Who perversely in his heart plots trouble and evil continually;
Who spreads discord and strife.
15
Therefore [the crushing weight of] his disaster will come suddenly upon him;
Instantly he will be broken, and there will be no healing or remedy [because he has no heart for God].

16
These six things the Lord hates;
Indeed, seven are repulsive to Him:
17
A proud look [the attitude that makes one overestimate oneself and discount others], a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,
18
A heart that creates wicked plans,
Feet that run swiftly to evil,
19
A false witness who breathes out lies [even half-truths],
And one who spreads discord (rumors) among brothers.

20
My son, be guided by your father’s [God-given] commandment (instruction)
And do not [b]reject the teaching of your mother;
21
Bind them continually upon your heart (in your thoughts),
And tie them around your neck.
22
When you walk about, they (the godly teachings of your parents) will guide you;
When you sleep, they will keep watch over you;
And when you awake, they will talk to you.
23
For the commandment is a lamp, and the teaching [of the law] is light,
And reproofs (rebukes) for discipline are the way of life,
24
To keep you from the evil woman,
From [the flattery of] the smooth tongue of an immoral woman.
25
Do not desire (lust after) her beauty in your heart,
Nor let her capture you with her eyelashes.
26
For on account of a prostitute one is reduced to a piece of bread [to be eaten up],
And the immoral woman hunts [with a hook] the precious life [of a man].
27
Can a man take fire to his chest
And his clothes not be burned?
28
Or can a man walk on hot coals
And his feet not be scorched?
29
So is the one who goes in to his neighbor’s wife;
Whoever touches her will not be found innocent or go unpunished.
30
People do not despise a thief if he steals
To satisfy himself when he is hungry;
31
But when he is found, he must repay seven times [what he stole];
He must give all the property of his house [if necessary to meet his fine].
32
But whoever commits adultery with a woman lacks common sense and sound judgment and an understanding [of moral principles];
He who would destroy his soul does it.
33
Wounds and disgrace he will find,
And his reproach (blame) will not be blotted out.
34
For jealousy enrages the [wronged] husband;
He will not spare [the guilty one] on the day of vengeance.
35
He will not accept any ransom [offered to buy him off from demanding full punishment];
Nor will he be satisfied though you offer him many gifts (bribes).

Christianity Etc › Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 1:04am On Feb 13, 2019

JujuSugar:
Its very easy to believe in a god when your life is in shambles. Religion surely has its benefits. If it didn't have any, it probably wouldn't exist.

So, people run to God when they're fuqed? Jesus said so too, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

If it didn't work, it would be dead already.

Christianity Etc › Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 12:47am On Feb 13, 2019

JujuSugar:
At least that's how I see it.

Fair enough. I for one hear more people praying for their needs in this life is all, and not worrying so much about their dead bodies.

How's about seeing religions as giving one hope in this very life and showing one how to attain what's hoped for? Or does it not do that?

Christianity Etc › Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 12:17am On Feb 13, 2019

JujuSugar:
It may become more marginalized than it is today, but as long as people cannot accept the concept of no (better) life after death, it will remain in one form or another.

There's this thing about elephants and people describing it by the bits they can feel, know it, sugar, that's what you done there.

Is that the only reason people chose to be religious, because they "cannot accept the concept of no (better) life after death"?

JujuSugar:
Raising the standard of living world-wide would help hasten the demise of religion because when your life is pure shit, the dream of utopia when you die is all the keeps some going.

Religion is "dreaming of utopia"? Which religion!?

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Christians Celebrate Valentine? by budaatum: 12:09am On Feb 13, 2019

asuustrike1:
It doesn't have to be February 14.

No. It doesn't. But there's no harm in joining in the fun, is there?

Restaurants do Valentine day special two for the price of one, please, let me do, I'm booked already.

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