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Christianity Etc › What If Christ's Teachings Were Used To Rule The World? by budaatum(op): 2:53am On Feb 23, 2019

I so wished frosbel2's thread was asking what the world would be like if the teachings of Christ, which I'm reducing to "Love your God with all your soul and all your heart and mind", and "Love your neighbours", were used to rule the world so decided to start one.

Many would shudder at the idea of what seems to go for Christian ideology ruling the world. I for one would rather not live in such a world where everyone would have to believe the same things for starts, which many have difficulty with, and anyone who refuses to would probably have to move with me to Mars! It appears to me that this error arises amongst Christians and atheists alike from the desire to look into the soul and heart and mind of others and be the determinant of whether they obey the first Jesus command of "Love your God", which in reality ought to be between oneself and one's maker, or oneself if one were unmade. But what if the more determinable and fruity command of "Love your neighbours" were the guiding principle by which we all lived?

Would Nairaland be a better place if we all had regard and respect, which is love, for one another?

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Am Taking Up Religion. by budaatum(op): 1:51am On Feb 23, 2019

Ubenedictus:
you may be suprised the type of bibles believers read, one of my bibles have notes that the author thinks the prophesys were writing after the event had already happened. many thinks the some prophesy we interprete was actually meant for a different time. some pastors now teach that prophesys are fulfilld 2ice to account for the fact that the current interpretation may not be d jewish interpretation....
believers can be a wild bunch, mind u the bible that think prophesies were written after the even is approved by a church body.

Many christian simply filter those note, i certainly do.

The Jews themselves had various subjective ways in which they too read the Bible, or at least what of it they accepted. The Zohar, for instance, is a foundational work in the literature of Jewish mystical thought based on an esoteric method, discipline, and school of thought of Judaism known as Kabbalah and which dealt with the first five books of the Torah. Such a reading sure does give a different understanding of the text.

Then you've got the literal reading, the fundamental reading, gnostic reading, mystical reading, esoteric reading, pharisaic reading, sadducee reading, scientific reading, philosophical reading, the ignorant reading and misunderstood reading (I made those last two up), all subjective readings which give different meanings, or rather, understandings, to the text. I'd even say there's a "so it can be said that out of Egypt I called my Son" reading, which differed from the pharisaic reading and got Jesus killed.

An objective reading would be one that takes all the ways the Bible can be read into consideration without being subjective in their taking. By not being subjective in their taking, I mean by not adopting (confessing?) any one view apart from in their study which a believing religious person would and cannot do because their believing and religiosity implies subjectivity already. You likely find such a reading amongst he non-religious academic sort.

Christianity Etc › Re: The End Of Atheism Is Nigh! by budaatum: 1:20am On Feb 23, 2019

jesusjnr:
Okay now I see where you're coming from.

But why the 1½ again?

I am buda. The buda, who said, "What the fuq, Lord! Has Moses got two heads?! Is it not you who created buda also? I'm coming up too. And I'm coming near you!"

I refuse to become as some Christians believe one should be. God has not given me any such message.

Christianity Etc › Re: The End Of Atheism Is Nigh! by budaatum: 1:07am On Feb 23, 2019

jesusjnr:
Disprove this!

Quoting a person is not "coming to" that person! When you've been here long enough you'd understand that one could be quoted without the quoter even talking to the quoted.

My "2" was a comment to God and had nothing to do with you, and while I say half to you now, I'm sure God sees the heart. Buda remains got.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Am Taking Up Religion. by budaatum(op): 12:59am On Feb 23, 2019*

Ubenedictus:
it is not objective to read a letter written to me by my brother as though it was written by any Tom dick or Harry.

It is not objective to read a novel like a science journal.

It is certainly not objective to read a religious text as though it isn't a religious text.

It is not particularly objective to read a writing made by jews for an immediate Jewish audience as though it isn't Jewish.

It is not objective to read a Christian text as though it wasn't addressed to an already believing community.

You need a rethink what objectivity means.

A text written by a particular people for it particular immediate audience is objectively read if that very premise is kept in mind, if not you are abusing the text

Sorry Uben, but I do think you are switching subjective for objective, as all you've listed above is a call for a subjective reading, and not an objective one at all. A text written by a particular people (subjects) for a particular immediate audience (subjects) is subjectively written by subjects no doubt. It can however be objectively read as such though its full meaning may very well be missed. Scriptures, by its nature, is subjective, and it promotes subjective religion and subjective belief and reading it only objectively, if at all possible, will most certainly lead to conclusions that were not the subjective intentions it was written for.

An objective reading would be one without all the subjective stances you've listed above and by such a reading "one will arrive at defective conclusions" (at least as far as religion is concerned), as I've already conceded, just as much as I am finding one would by "reading the Bible objectively or subjectively, alone". Besides, objectivity is a rather difficult thing for subjective subjects just by their nature. What we tend to do more often than not is in error claim that our subjective view is an objective one. The numerous interpretations of Biblical understanding is sufficient evidence to point out our lack of objectivity when we read it.

If you'd like to educate me on subjectivity or objectivity, you might want to consider how much or little I know about it. It is a subject very close to my heart and one I have time for due to its complexity.

Christianity Etc › Re: The End Of Atheism Is Nigh! by budaatum: 12:22am On Feb 23, 2019

jesusjnr:
Two yesterday, then one and half today, tomorrow it would then become one.

First, I did not come to you! And to be honest, it is you who reduced me by ½ with your divisiveness, which, personally, my God would not accept from me since I ought to know that whether one calls on Appolos or Paul, God breathed life into us all.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The End Of Atheism Is Nigh! by budaatum: 12:14am On Feb 23, 2019

frank317:
But according to Christians... Jesus is God or better put, Jesus is Yahweh.

In my own opinion, us very far from where jesusjnr thought u were.

That may very well be the opinion of 'Christians' but in my opinion, they are in error. A God that said, thou shalt not worship any other god, would hardly change its mind and ask you to worship another god. Besides, worshipping Jesus is not exactly the same as doing the will of Jesus, which is, love one another, an idea that 'Christians' seem to think includes "only if they believe as we believe", as opposed to doing that which is right and proper. I'd not call them Christians even, but Pharisaists, in fact! Those who truly 'worship God' would be full of spirit fruits, which I'm finding in all my years on here is not so much the case, though I must offer an apology considering the numerous Christians who are so full of spiritual fruits that they very wisely hardly get involved in the divisiveness that seems to be prevalent on here.

Christianity, at least as practised by some, is more concerned with beliefs regardless of the evidence, it would seem, and I'd have to undergo a lobotomy to be one of them and believe what they think they have to believe. They don't so much worry about their life, which Jesus told them not to, but worry what happens tomorrow and whether they go to heaven or not when they die, which is much worse and contradicts what Jesus taught. They appear to have adopted the pharisaic ideology that he preached against and was killed for!

God can't possibly care about the thoughts that one rather insignificant individual in the whole scheme of things, holds, thinks or believes in their head as my favourite Psalm 15 clearly shows. And no atheist with a brain can possibly claim what that Psalm advocates would not create a Tarbernacle of the Lord for all to dwell in.

If. Nay! When people do learn what Jesus taught the world would be a much better place as we would take giant leaps forward towards creating heaven right here on earth itself where the lions and lambs, or theists and atheists, would be in peace. In that vein is Jesus God indeed. Some though need to go get some saltiness and stop crucifying the Lord Jesus the Christ and Messiah!

Christianity Etc › Re: The End Of Atheism Is Nigh! by budaatum: 10:49pm On Feb 22, 2019

frank317:
Jesusjnr your God has not completed his work on Buda... Yahweh needs to work harder

Yahweh has absolutely nothing to do with anything, Frank! It was Jesus who got buda, and not Yahweh, and that, after careful consideration of what he taught. The pity is that some seem to be treating it like an election between candidates symbolised by this rather stupid thread! The idea that Jesus would like the division of us and them that some Christians seem to think is acceptable just makes me want to run from them since it's one of those sins buda would burn in the hottest part of hell for if committed! Or did Jesus the Lord of blessed peacemakers promote division somewhere and I've missed it?!

In my opinion, any atheist or theist who does not see anything worthwhile in Jesus might as well claim stupidity since they would see no merit in the less important tales of the tortoise and the hare, or the equally important Socrates and Mohammed, neither.

Christianity Etc › Re: The End Of Atheism Is Nigh! by budaatum: 10:32pm On Feb 22, 2019

jesusjnr:
Sorry buda but I must say that i'm absolutely disgusted by this saying.

You make it sound as if whatever I think or do has anything to do with you! Are you God now that I'm supposed to subjugate myself to? Have you so quickly forgotten that it is what one does that matters, and not what one believes in one's head? Is this the point where you get demoted to jnr, perhaps? It is this attitude of us versus them that will actually chase me from religion completely in the end.

Get over yourself please. The God of peacemakers who created the entire universe does not belong to Christians alone. And if you can't love your neighbours just the way they are then perhaps you need a name change!

Foreign Affairs › Re: Eighth Lawmaker Leaves UK Labour Party Over Brexit, Anti-semitism by budaatum: 8:48pm On Feb 22, 2019

They should go! None of them said a word when their beloved Israel banned Arabic or shot Palestinians. Bloody hypocrites!

Business › Re: Naira Now N184 To $1? by budaatum: 8:34pm On Feb 22, 2019

Pity Google aren't selling!

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 8:29pm On Feb 22, 2019

Martinez39:
When CNN brands your source as fake news and Russian propaganda (Lol ), know that your source is reliable.

CNN and Russia are not the only one's branding that source as fake news and propaganda. You just have to do a tinsy bit of background checking to figure that out yourself.

Christianity Etc › Re: The End Of Atheism Is Nigh! by budaatum: 8:24pm On Feb 22, 2019

LordReed:
I know of Michellekabod1&2, who's the other?

Would love to say, buda, but finding I'd have to say 1½ at best instead of two as I'm finding some things impossible to convert to.

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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Democrats Take Control Of Congress by budaatum: 4:24pm On Feb 22, 2019

stanech:
Leftists aren't mad at Smollett for staging a hate crime, they're just mad he got caught.

Actually, some of us are more sad than mad that he appears to be so stupid for just about holding a loaded gun to his head and pulling the trigger, and I personally feel like putting on a maga hat and giving him a magaslap my magaself!

If $1.5m a season was too little for him, I wonder how he's going to feel spending all he's earned trying to keep out of jail to forever earn $0.0m from now on. Even McDonald's wouldn't be touching him with a barge pole now, the immensely stupid idiot (if it's true he staged this that is!).

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Christianity Etc › Re: What If Christians Ruled The World ? by budaatum: 3:48pm On Feb 22, 2019

rekinomtla:
I never said he wasn't a scientist, I said its questionable if he should even be called one. Which is evens besides the point, since he wasn't condemn for any scientific ideas, your link even said that. In fact you should thank me for informing you on the "dark ages" as well, since I've noticed you also push the same narrative as frosbel.

There isn't really a record of Bruno's indictment nor one of his trial, but he's pretty much as close to a scientist as you'd get in his time. And I did call the period the "so called dark ages", signifying it's not my choice of expression.

The fact is that the ruling Church of the day opposed any idea, be it philosophical (as in, made up in the mind), or scientific (as in, evidence of the senses albeit dimly), that contradicted its theological view of the day and still does by some in some instances (an inability to accept evolution being one). But the point need be made that it was the same Church that funded quite a lot of research during that period which brought on the Renaissance.

You are talking to a person who considers Genesis 1 and 2 as very early scientific theories proposed by 'scientists'.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Way by budaatum(op): 1:24pm On Feb 22, 2019

Proverbs 13 Amplified Bible (AMP)
Contrast the Upright and the Wicked
13 A wise son heeds and accepts [and is the result of] his father’s discipline and instruction,
But a scoffer does not listen to reprimand and does not learn from his errors.
2
From the fruit of his mouth a [wise] man enjoys good,
But the desire of the treacherous is for violence.
3
The one who guards his mouth [thinking before he speaks] protects his life;
The one who opens his lips wide [and chatters without thinking] comes to ruin.
4
The soul (appetite) of the lazy person craves and gets nothing [for lethargy overcomes ambition],
But the soul (appetite) of the diligent [who works willingly] is rich and abundantly supplied.
5
A righteous man hates lies,
But a wicked man is loathsome, and he acts shamefully.
6
Righteousness (being in right standing with God) guards the one whose way is blameless,
But wickedness undermines and overthrows the sinner.
7
There is one who pretends to be rich, yet has nothing at all;
Another pretends to be poor, yet has great wealth.
8
The ransom for a man’s life is his wealth,
But the poor man does not even have to listen to a rebuke or threats [from the envious].
9
The light of the righteous [within him—grows brighter and] rejoices,
But the lamp of the wicked [is a temporary light and] goes out.
10
Through pride and presumption come nothing but strife,
But [skillful and godly] wisdom is with those who welcome [well-advised] counsel.
11
Wealth obtained by fraud dwindles,
But he who gathers gradually by [honest] labor will increase [his riches].
12
Hope deferred makes the heart sick,
But when desire is fulfilled, it is a tree of life.
13
Whoever despises the word and counsel [of God] brings destruction upon himself,
But he who [reverently] fears and respects the commandment [of God] will be rewarded.
14
The teaching of the wise is a fountain and source of life,
So that one may avoid the snares of death.
15
Good understanding wins favor [from others],
But the way of the unfaithful is hard [like barren, dry soil].
16
Every prudent and self-disciplined man acts with knowledge,
But a [closed-minded] fool [who refuses to learn] displays his foolishness [for all to see].
17
A wicked messenger falls into hardship,
But a faithful ambassador brings healing.
18
Poverty and shame will come to him who refuses instruction and discipline,
But he who accepts and learns from reproof or censure is honored.
19
Desire realized is sweet to the soul;
But it is detestable to fools to turn away from evil [which they have planned].
20
He who walks [as a companion] with wise men will be wise,
But the companions of [conceited, dull-witted] fools [are fools themselves and] will experience harm.
21
Adversity pursues sinners,
But the [consistently] upright will be rewarded with prosperity.
22
A good man leaves an inheritance to his children’s children,
And the wealth of the sinner is stored up for [the hands of] the righteous.
23
Abundant food is in the fallow (uncultivated) ground of the poor,
But [without protection] it is swept away by injustice.
24
He who withholds the rod [of discipline] hates his son,
But he who loves him disciplines and trains him diligently and appropriately [with wisdom and love].
25
The [consistently] righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite,
But the stomach of the wicked is in need [of bread].

Christianity Etc › Re: What If Christians Ruled The World ? by budaatum: 12:32pm On Feb 22, 2019

So, according to rekinomtla, Bruno is not a scientist, and according to Freelancerebel, Roman Catholics are not even Christians! That's me educated as I smh!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Garden Of Eden - A Child's View by budaatum(op): 9:59pm On Feb 21, 2019

tintingz:
I said you should explain why a story is called a myth not what a myth is.

You are going to have to refer this to the person who said it was a myth, tint.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Lies Of The Garden Of Eden - A Logical View by budaatum: 9:53pm On Feb 21, 2019*

Akin1212:
If ignorance is the first sin, and Adam and Even deserved to die because of ignorance, so do you.

Stop creating fallacies and straw man arguments here. I don't have that time.

I'm sure you'd stop when you want to Akin, until then, where the heck did you get "ignorance is the first sin" from, and that "Adam and Even (sic) deserved to die because of ignorance"? Do you know the meaning of fallacies and straw men? You have kind of got me wondering here!

Death, in case you are not aware, is not a deserved thing but an inevitable thing, as far as living things go. And ignorance is not exactly known to kill people per se, though a lack of knowledge may shorten one's life. As to the first sin, the very first human sin? You must think I have some special powers to go back in the time human beings have existed to know what sin they committed first! But if you mean biblical first sin, as in the first sin recorded in the Bible, then disobedience would be the answer, though some have said listening to a serpent would more than qualify. And listening to a serpent would be ignorance since they ought to have known, or be able to know serpents do not exactly speak.

Christianity Etc › Re: What If Christians Ruled The World ? by budaatum: 9:36pm On Feb 21, 2019

rekinomtla:
Name me people who were executed because of their science - heads up, they don't exist.

Below is a list of some Scientists Executed by the Church. It claims scientists were not killed for their science but unfortunately has Giordano Bruno, who was killed for his science, on the list. I do wonder though if it makes any difference if they were killed for their science or their philosophy.

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by budaatum: 2:34pm On Feb 21, 2019

Here you go my Lord. See the "Evidence" "simply googled" and get sense!

'Goliath found'

Noah's Ark Found in Turkey

Chariot Wheels Found at the Bottom of the Red Sea

Christianity Etc › Re: The Way by budaatum(op): 1:28pm On Feb 21, 2019

Proverbs 12 Amplified Bible (AMP)
Contrast the Upright and the Wicked
12 Whoever loves instruction and discipline loves knowledge,
But he who hates reproof and correction is stupid.
2
A good man will obtain favor from the Lord,
But He will condemn a man who devises evil.
3
A man will not be established by wickedness,
But the root of the [consistently] righteous will not be moved.
4
A virtuous and excellent wife [worthy of honor] is the crown of her husband,
But she who shames him [with her foolishness] is like rottenness in his bones.
5
The thoughts and purposes of the [consistently] righteous are just (honest, reliable),
But the counsels and schemes of the wicked are deceitful.
6
The [malevolent] words of the wicked lie in wait for [innocent] blood [to slander],
But the mouth of the upright will rescue and protect them.
7
The wicked are overthrown [by their evil] and are no more,
But the house of the [consistently] righteous will stand [securely].
8
A man will be commended according to his insight and sound judgment,
But the one who is of a perverse mind will be despised.
9
[a]Better is he who is lightly esteemed and has a servant,
Than he who [boastfully] honors himself [pretending to be what he is not] and lacks bread.
10
A righteous man has kind regard for the life of his animal,
But even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.
11
He who tills his land will have plenty of bread,
But he who follows worthless things lacks common sense and good judgment.
12
The wicked desire the plunder of evil men,
But the root of the righteous yields richer fruit.
13
An evil man is [dangerously] ensnared by the transgression of his lips,
But the righteous will escape from trouble.
14
A man will be satisfied with good from the fruit of his words,
And the deeds of a man’s hands will return to him [as a harvest].
15
The way of the [arrogant] fool [who rejects God’s wisdom] is right in his own eyes,
But a wise and prudent man is he who listens to counsel.
16
The [arrogant] fool’s anger is quickly known [because he lacks self-control and common sense],
But a prudent man ignores an insult.
17
He who speaks truth [when he testifies] tells what is right,
But a false witness utters deceit [in court].
18
There is one who speaks rashly like the thrusts of a sword,
But the tongue of the wise brings healing.
19
Truthful lips will be established forever,
But a lying tongue is [credited] only for a moment.
20
Deceit is in the heart of those who devise evil,
But counselors of peace have joy.
21
No harm befalls the righteous,
But the wicked are filled with trouble.
22
Lying lips are extremely disgusting to the Lord,
But those who deal faithfully are His delight.
23
A shrewd man is reluctant to display his knowledge [until the proper time],
But the heart of [over-confident] fools proclaims foolishness.
24
The hand of the diligent will rule,
But the negligent and lazy will be put to forced labor.
25
Anxiety in a man’s heart weighs it down,
But a good (encouraging) word makes it glad.
26
The righteous man is a guide to his neighbor,
But the way of the wicked leads them astray.
27
The lazy man does not catch and roast his prey,
But the precious possession of a [wise] man is diligence [because he recognizes opportunities and seizes them].
28
In the way of righteousness is life,
And in its pathway there is no death [but immortality—eternal life].

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Christianity Etc › Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by budaatum: 1:25pm On Feb 21, 2019

And there goes another attempt at using the made up physical that does not exist to prove the spiritual. And when it does not work? We name call in the name of the Lord!

I, smh and feel like changing the name in the title of this thread to buda atum!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Truth About Atheism by budaatum: 1:01pm On Feb 21, 2019

jesusjnr:
So please i'm curious to find out what this means going by your definition of atheism, for if you have truly left atheism because you now believe in the existence of God, then that means that you actually think that there's a distinctive difference in that respect, and hence are actually contradicting yourself here.

Of course I won't forget your "thunder fire Jesus", outburst in my thread about Jesus Words, which I believe was because of this particular thread i just created at the time.

At least that would have made you understand that i was not here to take sides or to please anyone but to do my job.

Hence that made me take a step back from you then, because I knew that even though as you could see that I don't have any problem, associating with any one, as long as they have something that I could relate with, but that the fact that you had one leg inside and one leg out and weren't fully committed, could possibly lead to such unwarranted outbursts.

However you could see that i yet showed once in a while that I had completely written you off, but it was only when you openly said you had left atheism that I thought it was now safe to relate with you as I would have always loved to do, as you were now inside.

So from the inside I want to know what you meany by that saying, and if you as an insider could easily explode with "thunder fire Jesus" as you did then as an atheist after I opened this thread, to vent your anger at me.

For if you wouldn't, then you are consequently saying that you actually get my point, and that it's not "new wine in old wine skins, that would burst the old skins because the new wine is too hot for the old skin to handle, and hence wasted, as you showed via that instance, but actually "new wine in new wine skins" where both are hence preserved.

First, my "thunder fire Jesus" since you've managed to call it an angry outburst, twice. You seem to have disregarded subsequent posts, jesus, I wonder why. If meant negatively, would that not have qualified me as satan? Please know that buda, the old buda, and this new buda, does not vent, nor burst, and very rarely does anger! The expression albeit expressed in old skins meant "Jesus is thunder and fire! Make way satan!" Those with sight will see spirits and not devils!

We think ourselves a little too important sometimes, is the problem. We look, with our supposedly perfect eyes, into the soul of another and can decide if they are "one of us", or "one of their's" which is why we can decide to "completely write some off" despite claiming God created everything. How any person who believes God created all human beings by breathing the breath of life into the mud that they are can resort to insulting that breathe of life in the mud, astounds me! I'm sure if I were to go to the temple they built to God and stand there insulting it they'd take umbrage, so why would they stand there insulting the temple God built with his own hands? Or is it not true that God dwells in his temple, the human being? Or is just that the sort of Christians we have here are not the sort to do with mustard seeds and peacemaking? We sure have a lot to learn it would seem.

I, personally don't give much credit to beliefs. I've always said, "why believe when I can know?" I read for a living and have found that todays belief is tomorrows ignorance, so why would I cherish a belief knowing full well I might have to abandon it when superior information turns up? Besides, my so called "belief in the existence of God", which is more of an acceptance of the teachings of Jesus Christ (which has never been in doubt), has not managed to clear out my head of all the things I knew prior to that point but reinforced them, and my issues with Christians still stands. We'd have to call buda a 'knower' and not a believer, or a Christian even, I guess. Thankfully, God belongs to no one. (Can you see why there was never a thread of conversion now?)

Many do not spend a lot of time actually studying those who opposed Jesus and his teachings. The focus seems to be on the 'believe' bits so a lot is missed. It is perhaps why some take on a Pharisaic attitude in their Christianity, focusing more on the beliefs of others and not on the power of Christ in themselves. Hence you'd find a Christian opening threads just to ridicule atheists and anyone who does not believe what they do and be the first to hate their neighbours and turn to foul language. Would Christ do that? I don't think so! Did Christ teach not to do that? I think he did. So why would so called 'believers in Christ' do the opposite of what Christ taught and never did himself? Christianity in practise, I guess. Quick to teach others to turn the other cheek but quicker to slap back when slapped, and even slap first! I'm not going to accept that such Lord Lordism is what I've understood by reading my Bible, and in my opinion, it's impossible for such attitudes to be the ones that prevail! In fact, jesus, such attitudes must not be allowed to prevail!

Atheism is an attitude of skeptism. Atheists like evidence for what they accept as being as claimed and for what they believe, and with the number of years adopting that attitude, I doubt it could ever leave me per se. No, I'm not all of a sudden going to believe that the likes of TBJ really cures people of Aids when the truth is that I've seen those he supposedly healed die of the illness he healed them of. Nor would I ever take the book of Genesis as literally true since I happen to know it isn't. But that does not mean the teachings in the Genesis narrative are not true, and nor does it mean that I will abandon my skeptism.

I have called Jesus the greatest atheist, a thought that still stands. He was atheistic to the beliefs of his day and was crucified for being a heretic. But, despite the obscuranticsm he's shrouded in, necessarily at times, there's still a lot to learn from him. It is after all no joke to understand what is meant by "The Spirit of God is within me!" And "Blessed are the peacemakers", "and by their fruit shall we know them". It is my opinion that if he were to turn up today he would likely be asking, "Where is the salt of the earth?" "What happened to the mustard seeds?" "Where are my poor, and my sheep, and my peacemakers?" "Has satan truly got them all?" And rent his clothe and weep.

Atheism will not die, jesus. There's always going to be skeptics in the world where the spiritual is concerned. The 'believers', rather unfortunately, with their inability to show Christ through love, being warmongers instead of peacemakers, and slapping first, would not allow atheism to die! For no one who witnesses the sort of Christianity some practise could possibly sit by and let that be the prevalent view! If atheism actually does die and everyone becomes a 'believer' that would not be a thing to rejoice in, going by the evidence. To start with we'd turn on those who don't exactly believe what one does and kill them too, except we'd all be blunt knives with no iron to sharpen us as we recede into darkness singing aleluya amen.

But what's more likely to happen is that atheists get to understand that "blessed are the peacemakers (and there's is much evidence, which atheists love for the validity of this statement), and they take over God from those who merely believe as even the devil does. For as you'd say, "it is not they who say 'Lord, Lord', that shall enter the KoG, but those who do my will. And as you've seen, some so called atheists can "do my will" much more than some so called believers.

Sorry about the length of this. I seem to have put responses to other threads in this one post.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Lies Of The Garden Of Eden - A Logical View by budaatum: 2:04am On Feb 21, 2019

Akin1212:
Then you deserve to die too, or do you have knowledge of everything, including the things that can kill you?

It's not a 'deserved' thing, but a consequence of not doing that which will allow one to live. And a lack of knowledge does not have to kill me for it to be shown that ignorance kills. Below is death rates for a few countries to help you get your head around it.

Nigeria - Death rate, crude
Death rate, crude (per 1,000 people) in Nigeria was reported at 12.46 in 2016, according to the World Bank collection of development indicators, compiled from officially recognized sources.

United Kingdom - Death rate, crude
Death rate, crude (per 1,000 people) in United Kingdom was reported at 9.1 in 2016, according to the World Bank collection of development indicators, compiled from officially recognized sources.

United States - Death rate, crude
Death rate, crude (per 1,000 people) in United States was reported at 8.4 in 2016, according to the World Bank collection of development indicators, compiled from officially recognized sources.

Israel - Death rate, crude
Death rate, crude (per 1,000 people) in Israel was reported at 5.1 in 2016, according to the World Bank collection of development indicators, compiled from officially recognized sources.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Garden Of Eden - A Child's View by budaatum(op): 1:31am On Feb 21, 2019

tintingz:
Maybe you should explain why it's called a myth.

myth

a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining a natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.
"ancient Celtic myths"

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Christianity Etc › Re: What If Christians Ruled The World ? by budaatum: 8:05pm On Feb 20, 2019

frosbel2:
Let us assume that EVANGELICAL and PENTECOSTAL Christians in ALL of Europe, Americas , 1/2 of Africa and parts of Asia gain total and complete political and economic power, do you think this will be a good thing for HUMANITY or NOT ?!

The current form of EVANGELICAL and PENTECOSTAL Christians that sees anyone who does not believe what they believe as satans? It would be disastrous! You'd have no choice what you think inside your head, not to talk of what you do. No science except what they approve, no history apart from Bible and the EVANGELICAL and PENTECOSTAL Christians would burn you on a stake if you don't believe what you are told! And if you doubt what I'm saying, go read some history about when Christianity ruled Europe. The period to consider is circa 500-1500CE.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Lies Of The Garden Of Eden - A Logical View by budaatum: 7:52pm On Feb 20, 2019

frank317:
Why will God test them when he had already planned that they should fail

Silly, isn't it! Some make God sound like an idiot!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Did Atheists Saw In The Spiritual To Be Very Sure That God Do Not Exist? by budaatum: 6:59pm On Feb 20, 2019

paxonel:
if any christian want atheists see God by all means,even when they dont want to see any evidence of his existence, it is wrong for that christian to do that.

Very wrong indeed. So wrong that I'm going to begin calling such people bokochristian haram!

paxonel:
and that is the only place the evidence lies, where atheists hasn't gone and got.
Now, it will be ok for them to say they have not gone and they dont want to go, therefore they dont know what theists are talking about like the agnostics have done

How can they possibly say they have not gone to the 'Jesustician for Jesusglasses' when they have no evidence whatsoever that such a thing and place exists?

paxonel:
But they should remain neutral.

Really? Why?

paxonel:
I tell you one truth, the human mind is convinced by what he has seen, hear and read.
If theists have read their holy book, it will only take atheists to equally read that same holy book for them to have a critical mind to dispute what theists have believed. Otherwise, its of no use countering them by the atheistic state of mind.

I disagree with your "atheist mind". Even Christians read their own holy book and disagree, how much less atheists. The Christian just hasn't presented God in such a way that they may see. Perhaps they should try harder.

paxonel:
The question is, are there anything like that in human history that someone will predict something, after 2000 years the whole world is seeing the evidence of truth in the prediction?
I am yet to see anything like that, if you have any, please let me know.

There are many texts, even much older than some parts of the Bible that predicted what is happening today. Try reading the works of Plato for starts. You'd think God wrote it himself.

paxonel:
i will see how far nigeria as a nation will go, when people who were supposed to grow up to become tommorrow leaders do not understand their history

O, not only "their own history", but the history of the universe as well. But, do not worry. We are here in the University of Nairaland preaching history to one another.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Lies Of The Garden Of Eden - A Logical View by budaatum: 6:24pm On Feb 20, 2019*

Akin1212:
It's nice to know that you realized it's not history, which meansit didn't happen. It's just pure fiction and I already know that. I only asked hypothetically because of those who believe it happenfor real.

Realised

Don't be silly! You can't have forgotten who buda was already!

Akin1212:
The bible was not and still not a scientific theory.

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I guess if you don't see it as such, I can't make you.

Akin1212:
Sone people are still gullible, doesn't mean they are correct.

No one is suggesting the gullible are correct!

Akin1212:
If they couldn't know about Satan, then it was no fault of theirs for eating what they ate. The joke is on the fictional God.

How can anything be on a fictional thing huh

Or are you not an atheist? You say "fault", a funny choice. But please tell, who is it that suffers from ones ignorance?

Akin1212:
Ignorance is not a sin, no one deserves to die in the hands of any God for that.

You're doing it again! How does "deserve", apply to "the hands of any God" , that you said was "fictional"?

Is it not written that the wages of sin is death, and does ignorance not lead to death?

Akin1212:
They committed the sin of choosing between good and evil even before having the knowledge to choose between good and evil. I see how you warped everything up into a poppycock.

Poppycock, Akin? Or you just don't understand a single word that I've written?

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Truth About Atheism by budaatum: 6:08pm On Feb 20, 2019

jesusjnr:
Going by your definition of atheism, if that atheist gets to see the kinds of works of God that God did with Moses in the land of Egypt, then he would automatically cease to be an atheist.

You know I don't speak to please anybody, either the christians, atheists, Muslims, pagans etc. I just speak what I believe is the truth, and everything else can take care of themselves.

Of course you already know that about me, so that's yet what you gonna get.

The end of atheism is nigh!

Hopefully, you'd notice I too don't need to please anyone, though I try really hard to keep my belief out of my conversations much less present it as the truth.

One thing many do not seem to understand is that religion, along with everything else, evolves. The idea that everything we Nigerians call God could become 'Love one another', is not something we understand yet. It is in that sense that many atheists, are doing more of God's work than many Christians and than most of Nigerian Christians in particular. Just ask any Nigerian living in Europe, which is heaven and which is hell. I just need look out my window or fall ill in either country to see which is which.

While many would claim they gave us the Bible and enslaved us, the truth is that God is using that same Bible to free us. It was the works that "God did with Moses in the land of Egypt" that has ensured that Nigerians have Bibles, and without it, you can't argue we'd have been much worse off today. Those who brought it to us were telling 'Pharoah' (which is 'ignorance') to let my people go out of the 'bondage of ignorance'. Christians say the exact same thing when they claim that "only through the knowledge of God shall ye enter the Kingdom of Heaven". And this is where your definition of atheist had it's fault, and in another sense, it's merit.

In the merit sense you said:

"If you are an atheist and you have a good heart, you are in the wrong place, for you belong with God!"

It explains how the pagan Samaritan would enter heaven and not the believing priest and Levite. The fault will be in thinking being an atheist or Christian is what's relevant. I don't believe God gives a damn what we call ourselves since to worship God is to have a good heart and do God's will. And when Nigeria gets to understand that, instead of thinking what we believe in our heads is of greater importance, it too will become heaven and angels will live in it.

As to atheism coming to an end, I'm afraid I see new wines in old skins, myself.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The End Of Atheism Is Nigh! by budaatum: 5:26pm On Feb 20, 2019

jesusjnr:
Well I believe there is a spiritual personality called Satan right from my childhood, but it was not until I began to walk at my current level of the Spirit that He began to appear to me, and has appeared to me severally.

So just as the disciples of Jesus are to him, and how He empowers them with spiritual powers, Satan also has his human disciples on Earth who he has given spiritual powers to do his works of destruction on Earth.

And I have encountered them in life severally in the physical world, so when I came to Nairaland I was able to detect them from their satanic characteristics and I would mention some of their names on the other side.

And you can remember when you first came to me in the disguise of a satanist, I was able tell that you weren't, for i'm able to tell the diff.

The same way I've been able to tell the diff when a satanist came to me in the disguise of an atheist, and that was the end of that moniker.

So you can believe what you choose to believe what you chose to believe but for me if believe that Satan doesn't exist, then I would be deceiving myself for he truly does.

Well, that's ok. I have no knowledge or experience that would allow me to share such a belief is all, and in fact would think those you refer to as satanists are simply powerless ignorant human beings.

My presentation as satan was a reverse test of Jesus on the mountain to see if you recognised fruits.

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