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9inches:
The argument is that something always come from something.

I believe we are still in agreement with this, as I pointed out with my citation from buda.


Though one of us seems to have an exception where something is believed to come from a timeless existing uncreated creator which came from nothing!

9inches:
How did this come about then?

It is true that I, buda wrote what you just read. It is absolutely true in fact, since no one else could have written it. And there is nothing good or bad about it. It's just simply the truth.

9inches:
Read most Hawking's books many many years ago. I probably have read more science books than you, and I'm not including talking textbooks.

That could also be true, though if it were true, I'd have to question your understanding of your reading! Why did you claim Hawking said "something from nothing" when he actually wrote "turtles all the way down"?

9inches:
By the way, you said this,That was why I said this,

Your point being?

9inches:
He accuses atheists of something from nothing?

The argument is that something always come from something.
What idea was debunked here where you cited yourself?
That did not get to the root of the matter which I presented again.

Which we agreed on, and I note the correction. The dude is claiming atheist believe something comes from nothing. This is not an atheist view.

9inches:
Not my exact word, but yeah...kinda. Although, there's problem with your word "preeceding". My sister preceded me but I did not come out of my sister. Got it?

"beget", "Come from" or other variants could properly fit.

Yeah, got it. Try with mother.

9inches:
"Nothing preceding (comes from) Something" means, that Something is

1. timeless... right?
2. always there... right?
3. ever existing... right?
4. self existing... right!?

And your creator of things comes from where?

MuttleyLaff:
we already have been made the righteousness of God in Jesus, it still is a good thing to fulfill all other righteousness.

Oh, no you don't already have any righteousness of God in Jesus"! For it is written, "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven", and to those who don't, "I will tell you plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’" And they will incur huge dental bills!

[quote author= post=74613159]It is ONLY a fool that says in his heart that there is no God[/quote]Wise people say it out loud!

obixcel:
Many of them were coming with Flags - and waving it too(which doesn't give a positive impression other than "it's our right to storm your country and you ain't gonna stop us" The appropriate word for this is none other than INVASION so you can't blame Trump for raising the alarm even though the MSM downplayed the circumstance. At last the truth overtook the lie
Infact (I know we are Adults but permit me) let me give you a Kindergarten illustrative summary of how Trump vs the MSM plays out most of the time.
If we have a Big letter A and
And President Trump says that is Big letter A
Believe me, Mainstream media will say No! That is Small letter a

I am very not concerned about your MSM. You wouldn't after all call Breitbart, which I love, to be part of them. And waving flags by a group that includes women, children and babies, is hardly an "invasion" "storming" your country now, or is it?

A government that behaves as Trump does is the sort who becomes a tyrant, and I understand now why America has to have a gun ammendment to protect oneself from such governments! If women, children and babies is storming and invading to you, I wonder what you'd do if you were Syria, Yemen or France!

hisgrace090:
After examining what more 4years of buhari will amount to, he decided to take his own life.

With a banana plant He go truly die

I thought it was agreed for fuq sake sniffs too much coke!


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obixcel:
Lol...so what happened to the Caravan myth? Did you also go along with the MSM's "the caravan was thousands of miles away and were not coming?" OR was that manufactured? I'm so sorry but you are in delusion

Trump gives the impression the Caravans were gun carrying mobs rushing to America to kill you and steal your food, when all they were after was shelter and safety.

Is your America really that stingy?

obixcel:
The Liberal Media's new word when denying the crisis at the Border. They now accuse President Trump of "manufacturing a border crisis" to gain political point. Notice nearly all of the MSM are repeating the same phrases and talking points?

It's not MSM only. I happen to think so too, and while you might want to believe I was washed to think so, I can assure you that I have no hair and came to my own conclusion having considered data from very wide a field.

In fact, I'm tethering on the brink of thinking this wall is not planned to keep people out but to keep Americans locked in, maybe one day if the fan hits poo, though, it being off the edge of a conspiracy, I'm not telling anyone so they don't think I'm manufacturing!

So, for now Trump! You are a lying scaremonger.

9inches:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-yx5WN4efo

He accuses atheist of nothing from nothing belief. Did this thread not start with that idea being debunked? Are you in fact, not the one claiming some creator came from nothing preceeding it!? Is the argument not that something always precedes something?

9inches:
What do you mean by "where absolute truth has been flogged" and what do you think I should research on?

I wonder what you think absolute truth is. Does truth have to be good or bad?

The truth does not have to be good or bad. The truth is simply validity, as in, it corresponds to fact.

As to research, try the first chapter of Brief History, Truth and [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universality_%28philosophy%29?wprov=sfla1]wiki[/url].

9inches:
Where do you think the drive/hunger for knowledge and the betterment of the world come from? And what makes you think what people say is what they act out? You think if someone says "I believe", that's just it - he simply believes?

Do you understand everything before you believe?

Yes 9inches. When people say they believe, that is just it - they simply believe, and without really thinking about or understanding or considering any alternative to what they believe.

And yes, I must understand before I believe. Believing what one does not understand implies childhoodness, which one is not anymore, and stupidity, in an adult - neither of which buda is.

MuttleyLaff:
how I wished he obediently believed even though he might not immediately understand why not to eat and the complex and/or unwelcome consequence of the action and event

I need you to abandon this slavery nonsense, muttley. No gods are asking you not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil today, and in fact, when it is said that ye must seek first the Kingdom of God, understanding is a key element in the search, if not the 'first' in it. Besides, Jesus was crucified because he was not obedient, or are you only planning to follow him to the [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+22%3A54-62&version=ESV]Peter Point[/url]?

Let me know when we are going out. You need to pay for your isiewu.

English translation required please.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBxreBgrJSA

[quote author= post=74613331]In business, you lose some, you gain some.
Simple logic....but what do the children of hate and perdition know, apart from deep hatred in their heart towards the President.
Dumb skulls EVERYWHERE!
Hatred kills faster than HIV. [/quote]Only stupidity kills faster!

For anyone willing to upgrade their beliefs to a bit more modern ones, here is a free pdf of Stephen Hawkings A Brief History of Time to download.

The devil is the lord of ignorance!

For anyone willing to upgrade their beliefs to a bit more modern ones, here is a free pdf of Stephen Hawkings A Brief History of Time to download.

The devil is the lord of ignorance!

LordReed:
LoL! Ok

Lol!

LordReed:
Ever thought of doing stand up? LMFAO!

Yeah. And I believe they would deserve it too.

9inches:
Wonder why everybody doesn't believe in absolute truth? We keep spreading the good word to "everyone else".

Can someone please post some links where "absolute truth" has been flogged please. Though to be honest with you, 9inches, you should go and do some research.

Meanwhile, if there truly was an "absolute truth", and it was good, what makes you think you would be the one to have it to spread?

Is it because you believe more than others?

MuttleyLaff:
9inches question was:
Do you agree the following is a true statement, "anything that has a beginning cannot create itself"?

So are you accepting and agreeing with him that anything that has a beginning cannot create itself when you replied with:
"first instinct is to say, Yes, "anything that has a beginning cannot create itself".

I said it was a difficult one. And since we'd very likely argue where the beginning is, you might see my dilemma. Take humans for instance. The beginning of the human race according to some Christians would be [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1%3A26-31&version=NKJV]Mankind[/url]. But some will argue it was when God [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+2%3A4-7&version=NKJV]breathed into his nostrils the breath of life[/url]. Then I, with my you know mes, would throw in an ape and call you a baboon and all hell would break loose. You might see my dilemma.

And then there's the obvious fact that all things that exist, whether created or not, have a beginning. In fact, one can very easily trace the development of your God Yahweh to it's beginnings, (and do note this capital for your god is the very last one!)

Yes. Everything that has a beginning has not created itself. Everything that exists evolves (you may read that as 'exists') from what preceeded it. There is nothing to suggest an evolver or pre-existor had any part to play in it since its only function is time, and, environment, to a pretty large extent.

MuttleyLaff:
budaatum, the Creator has no beginning and has no end. The Creator is self existent. The Creator exist independently of other things and/or causes. The Creator causes, permits, authorises, gives power to, influences other things to emerge, appear and become visible. Things come about, things come into being, things come to light, things surface and present themselves through and/or because of the blessing, intelligence, knowledge, wisdom, influence , permission and power of the Creator. Nothing exists and/or could exist without the knowledge of the Creator (i.e. even sin, that turned up in Satan first, when in heaven the same sin that desired to have and had Adam on earth)

And as a belief, you might see benefit, but for the advancement of knowledge and the betterment of an ever increasing world? All I see is poverty, and exploitation and squalor in such beliefs. You experience this in your argument with your fellow believers on homosexuality. They too believe as assuredly as you believe that they are right.

Muttley, Is it not righteous to understand than obediently believe? Did not Jesus prescribe a balanced diet?

9inches:
I believe it was always in existence. Amen.

And that's ok. For you. But unless you plan on having brains washed with what you believe you must understand that it may not be so for everyone else, and perhaps wonder, why?

bazooka1:
Nigerias image have been battered beyond repair. Thanks to 419, yahoo boys, drug smugglers and other criminal activities Nigerians are known for.
People praising yahoo boys, especially young people have no idea the costs and effects their criminal activities have on their future and the next generation of Nigerians.
Most buisnesses have blacklisted Nigerians. Online payment gateways such as PayPal don't accept Nigerians. Clickbank, Upwork, name it have blacklisted Nigerians.. Obviously, more will follow.
As a result, Nigerian youths can no longer key into these global expansion.
Imagine, the alienation the next generation of Nigerians will suffer if we are having it this bad already.

That's why corruption is worth fighting. Corruption of our morals. Or some bad apples will ruin us all.

LordReed:
Why would that be the case?

Yeah, why would that be the case, Hell? It's not a exactly a catching communicable disease, you know!

MuttleyLaff:
Yep, it was different. The difference is that Satan was in heaven and Adam was on earth
That is not true. Eating of the fruit is what brought sin into Adam's world, the world system

Different my ass. Please, when Satan was cast out for claiming equality with Yahweh, where did it go? The moon?!

Or when Satan said, "[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+14%3A12-15&version=NIV]I will! I will! I will![/url] and it was said of it [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+28%3A13-19&version=NKJV]"till iniquity was found in thee"[/url], sin just started floating around until Adam, who was created on the earth, what, caught it, created it, or ate it?!?

This was you:

MuttleyLaff:
Sin was, before the existence of Adam. Adam is the product of the saying: "necessity is the mother of invention"

MuttleyLaff:
Sin entered the world, entered the system because of what Adam did.

It is what you're trying to square with your, "Adam's world, the world system" and in the process you just muttley yourself!

You may want to see Adam's world as the entire world unless you want to limit God's creation to your own understanding.

MuttleyLaff:
Oh you're done, going off on a rant and rave, right?

You know buda throw her toys out her pram and breaks eggs when she pisses, muttley. It's a buda thing.

MuttleyLaff:
God does not tempt. You might have to correct your question and/or rephrase it

I guess its a matter of perspective. I'm not obedient like you. If a god tells me to tend all the things in a garden "but this single tree its fruit do not eat", that god will have tempted me. My question stands as stated!

MuttleyLaff:
There are rhetorical questions budaatum, besides, you seem to always harp on about this being naked malarkey and not understanding that he had the clothe of righteousness on before but ruined and lost it after eating the fruit. Check this out, I went to work, without my y-fronts on, I felt naked.

Muttley, "aja ti o san nu ki gbo fere ode". Emi buda wi, "ti aja mi ba so nu, ma fun fere mi si ni" because, I paid money for the bitch! And my money is in its belly!

If you went to work without your righteousness is it your god that took them off you? Unprofitable gods are demons. A god that makes clothe of righteousness so easily ruined by fruit juice is a lousy god and should leave your bits alone!

raphieMontella:
Honestly, I was expecting the Tower of Babel season 2 when Neil Armstrong flew to the moon

A profound analogy!

frosbel2:
When I came to the UK newly and was carrying religion on my head, I once said to this young white guy I was working with and dissecting fresh chickens with a sharp knife , that I hear God talk to me always.

Little did I know that in the UK once you say that God talks to you directly they think you are mentally ill. The guy panicked because of the knife in my hand, he thought I was insane.

Mad man lol!

9inches:
That's right. Everything that has a beginning has a cause. That includes virtual particles.

And creators of things!

9inches:
Do you agree the following is a true statement, [b]"anything that has a beginning cannot create itself"?

This is a difficult question! My first instinct is to say, Yes, "anything that has a beginning cannot create itself". A creator must create anything that has been created.

I'm just glad you never said "everything that exists must be created".

9inches:
Do you also agree that the "creator of anything with a beginning cannot have a beginning itself"?

No. The creator of anything with a beginning must also have a beginning! How else could it possibly come into existence if it did not at one point in time come in to existence?

And don't give me "it was always in existence", unless you precede it with "I believe"?