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educhigo:
yes,i have valid documents,we are 10nigerians in number we all deported back to nigeria,every country recognize nigerians with bad image,but oneday our country goin to be better

How did you get your visa please?

emalek86:
Believe this accusation and you could believe buhari would win a free and fair election

Don't mind dem with dem fekinis!

Wise person. Patience Faka Jonathan is refusing to articulate and be obliterated!

Did you have a visa?

Someone already said.

Read!

9inches:
I don't think I went beyond that as I can't imagine an example one could use to fully explain what is beyond full comprehension like God.

Have you considered trying harder? You might see more ds.

raphieMontella:
we are,, until scientifically proven otherwise...

So, you are 4d until someone proves you are more ds?

raphieMontella:
speculative and pseudo sciences can have their fun guessing how many dimensions there is...

But in the end,

we are "4-d" until proven otherwise..
thank you

Until someone proves you are more ds, right?

Ok.

9inches:
The creator of things wasn't created. How hard is that to understand?

So it does not exist, since it wasn't created?

HellVictorinho:
Time ran backwards?
So where did it start from before running backwards?
How is fixed time capable of running back and forth?
We shouldn't be talking about specified time here.

It's someone's new theory. To add to all the theories out there.

awelekiti:
No please. The information I gave you predated what atiku said. What atiku said was a mere stale information. They know their secrets more than the masses do and that's why you and I should minimize the way we all run after them( away from politics). Cheers

I love running after them, and I do not like being ignorant. Please provide me with evidence for your claim that predates Atiku's say so.

awelekiti:
Wait a minute, are you aware that before 2014, buhari was handed a life visa ban by USA and UK due to his stance on the ethnic , religious and political crises in Nigeria?

According to Atiku, you mean:

President Muhammadu Buhari was banned from entering the United States because Americans had reservations about his religious views, former Vice President Atiku Abubakar said Friday.
http://saharareporters.com/2017/12/02/how-buhari-was-banned-entering-us-15-years

Are you sure you are not "one of the numerous youths called lazy by the same buhari . The gullible people like you would believe this piece because our youths are truly lazy. They believe everything...no wonder they are not proactive in their thinking, which was also why none of our universities could make the best 500 global list."

raphieMontella:
this Creator of the Creator of the Creator of the Creator is an endless loop LA..

if there's a Creator,, I don't think we should be concerned about its origin as it may well be beyond our human comprehension (I.e limited by our 4-d world and brains)
and as such cannot live/experience it,, as a stone cannot experience or understand being human.

something/ someone may have or may have not kicked off our universe's big bang tho,,

I believe if it did..it may well be beyond our human comprehension

Our minds and brains are most definitely not limited to 4d, even if the world so happens to be. And neither are humans brainless stones. Still, one can very well chose to not be concerned with the creator of the creator of things. And there are lots on here, comfortably going on about their creator of things with no concern with the creator of the creator of things. You would not find them in this sort of thread however, where the existence of creator of things, are being discussed. The question being are they something, someone, or nothing, as in, no creator of things at all.

And to claim it is beyond our human comprehension, is lazy. Energetic humans are using such contemplations to build a better world.

9inches:
"Outside of time"? Let's just say it hasn't been revealed yet; same goes for 'nothingness' before the universe.

So, you just threw it in despite it not meaning anything!?

9inches:
Common sense, bro. If you only keep going back to creation or evolution, it's a bottomless hole. Even scientists/philosophers acknowledge something existed before every other thing.

I too do not dispute that there must have been something. And I'm not afraid of bottomless holes.

So, there is a universe. And according to you, all things are created by a creator of things. And since a creator of things is a thing in its on right, there must have been a creator of the creator of things. And if there was a creator of the creator things, there must have been a creator of the creator of the creator of things, and so on. At least, if it were true that, all things are created by a creator of things. That's sense to me. It will be nonsensical of me to try to avoid such a logical conclusion with an "Outside of time" that I go on to admit, "hasn't been revealed yet". If it hasn't been reveled yet, I'm likely to ask myself how I know of it to start with, "are you sure that you are not just making things up in your head buda", I would ask. If I can't find a meaning for it, I'd wonder why I would make such nonsense up in my head and claim it exists when I don't have a clue what I mean by it. And if I were trying to convince someone else of it, I'd definitely be asking myself if I was trying to make that someone else as stupid as I seem to be, talking about things that haven't been revealed yet and that have no meaning, but in all sincerity is just an attempt to avoid the obvious "bottomless hole" so as not to destabilise what I want to believe! And I'd definitely be wondering why I want to lead that someone else astray like I seem to be leading myself astray!

buda don't do sense that is common, I guess. buda would rather use buda brain!

Was Adam's world different to the one the sinning devil was cast out into, muttley!? Is it not actually true that the casting out of the devil into the world was what brought sin into the world?

You sure like muttleying yourself up muttley. If there was a devil, I'd claim it helps you muttley yourself sometimes, but honestly, you muttley yourself up all by yourself! What amazes me is that you are very smart too. So how you could possibly use that smartness in the muttley way you do is a wonder.

Where you the child of a reverend, or something and got filled this your reasoning and nothing else from a very early age? Anyone else would at least consider the facts with their own (God given, in your case) brain, instead of trying to twist the facts to fit what they have been told to believe is true.

Anyway, you still haven't answered my question.

What exactly was God trying to achieve by tempting Adam with the fruits of a tree it would rather they don't eat?

MuttleyLaff:
Remember you asked: "Are you suggesting God included sin in Adam's design?"

and I replied with:
"God did not include sin in Adam's design. Adam committed sin when he took possesion of somebody's else property. Sin entered the world, entered the system because of what Adam did. Briskly following sin was death with a whole lot bunch of nasties mingled up with delightfuls in close pursuit"

Like I earlier pointed out, sin is missing the mark or standard, means missing God's mark or God's standard. Actually, as in like an archer missing hit the target bull's eye. Adam hadnt ever sin until he took of the fruit. That is how sin entered Adam's world. It is the same sin, using your phraseology, is one of the two situational problems that existed before Adam was, that I earlier said God is on a mission of resolving, ultimately upon mission accomplished sin will be no more. When reference to or mention of sin is done, please keep in mind, the Jewish and/or biblical definition of sin

HellVictorinho:
The reason matters.
And it took so long because no one had observed the effects of the gravitational pull of the earth on the objects moving on it before then.

They did observe "the effects of the gravitational pull of the earth on the objects moving on it" since it continously acted on things on earth. They just hadn't recognised it because they didn't know it for what it was.

Same way they thought the earth was flat despite it always not being flat. It was their ability to perceive that had not yet developed enough at the time.

9inches:
I understand that. That's the same theory Krauss was trying to establish in the video LordReed posted on this or another thread yesterday. But the whole point here is, if it's not nothing 'nothing', then it's actually 'something'. And nobody would think they sound silly [re]defining 'nothing'. according to the world we know (and they are scientists, obviously), the big bang happened out of forces colliding or something of that kind... Do you think I'm right?

Yes, I think you are right. Something had to exist to go bang. And it must have been big for the bang to be big.

Darevofpeace:
talking about whether witches exist or not,in any boxing tournament, the first thing your opponent do is to blind the right and the left eye's so that you can't see the coming "punches" witches abound in Africa and evils abounds everywhere on earth.

Aha! This would explain why Nigerians are boxing champions in every weight class.

MuttleyLaff:
What is sin?
Sin is missing the mark or standard, means missing God's mark or God's standard. Actually, as in like an archer missing hit the target bull's eye.

God did not include sin in Adam's design. Adam committed sin when he took possesion of somebody's else property. Sin entered the world, entered the system because of what Adam did. Briskly following sin was death with a whole lot bunch of nasties mingled up with delightfuls in close pursuit

One third of the innumerable angelic hosts decamped from God, commiting sin with Satan. These equated to the two situational problems God set out to resolve. Replace with human beings and sort out sin, once and for all

Adam and Eve before the fall, werent starkers, as you'll like to believe. They were clothed with the righteousness of God. It was after the fall, they realised they've lost it and since then were starkers

Muttley, if someone else was writing what you're writing, I'm sure you be pointing out the flaws in their reasoning. You really need to try to hear yourself.

So "Sin entered the world, entered the system because of what Adam did". The same sin that the angels already committed before Adam was created?

MuttleyLaff:
Sin was, before the existence of Adam. Adam is the product of the saying: "necessity is the mother of invention" Of course when I say Adam, I am by extension, also making reference to human beings necessary and needed to fill up the vacuum created by the renegade third of innumerable angels

Are you suggesting God included sin in Adam's design? To what end? And what vacuum are you referring to? Naked slaves to tend God's garden, perhaps?

You're making your God sound more and more like some slave overlord! And to be honest, all you Christians who worship it sound more like slaves than the gods who would do more than he did that Jesus was trying to make you into. Makes me want to ask if Jesus too hadn't just rebelled against God to come and make you all it's equal, a point Christianity seems to have excluded from its teachings.

MuttleyLaff:
I liked that post for the good attempt response.
In a nutshell, it is quality control but then before that, there is this other thing that needs being resolved plus ultimately once and for all taken care of

Stop dithering muttley. You know I only appreciate your a-game, the one that involves your brain. What other thing needs being resolved and taken care of? What exactly was God trying to achieve?

raumdeuter:
Former Federal Reserve chairman has called the Ocasio-Cortez 70% tax for the rich a terrible idea

Of course it's a terrible idea! It's also why she's not running for Potus!

MuttleyLaff:
The end justifies the means budaatum

That end being what exactly? Quality control of its own abilities to create? Well, God did a lousy job and should perhaps try a different profession, or just give up already!

MuttleyLaff:
The end justifies the means budaatum

Adam to start with, was created without all those defects but as the saying goes budaatum:[/quote]That can't possibly be true! No modification occurred from when Adam was created to when he ate the fruit! The defects must have been there all along.

Besides, we see those defects in its creation prior to humans. Or didn't Creation Mark 1, the angels, have those defects too? In fact, I'm beginning to wonder about all those other planets now. Perhaps they too were defects before it got it right with earth!

MuttleyLaff:
The end justifies the means budaatum. The power to create cars or build houses was given to the creation by the Creator.

I'm just glad they learnt to create better than their creator did.

HellVictorinho:
We discovered it because it applied to us.

Does the reason really matter? I wonder why it took so long to discover it since it was there way long before we did.

HellVictorinho:
It was discovered here.
It doesn't work in space.
And it was discovered here by the determination of certain concepts through observation.

Well, it existed for us to discover it where it was discovered. We did not invent it in anyway whatsoever.

MuttleyLaff:
There you are budaatum, that's exactly part of the problems that's what's to solve, like the: disobedience, lack of self control, disloyality, stealing and/or thieving, covetousness, lust, pilfering, blame-shifting, remorselessness etcetera

Hey what the fuq! How did it's planting of a tree with fruit it knew I'd eat solve "disobedience, lack of self control, disloyality, stealing and/or thieving, covetousness, lust, pilfering, blame-shifting, remorselessness etcetera"? God must be a rotten lousy creator or couldn't it have created me without all those defects to start with? Says a lot about its omniknowitall!

I'm just glad it didn't extend it's creation to cars, or houses. They'd all have been lemons without proper working parts!

MuttleyLaff:
Wow how did I miss this, so budaatum what exactly is being achieved from God?

Seems God was doing quality control, as in, are these humans any more obedient than some of my previous creations, the angels. But that's me guessing.

You tell, muttley, what exactly was God trying to achieve?

XxSabrinaxX:
budaatum, please explain to this boy that i've answered his question ages ago. Why does he want to punish me like this?

buda explain to muttley? You kidding right?! You engage with muttley all of less than a month and you're tired already?! I been explaining to muttley all of last year and the year before and he still ain't got it, and I've in fact made him my "2019 Must Get It" project.

I'm just glad I got you helping out with him, so please, for my sake, persevere. Muttley's a hard nut to crack, and I need all the help I'm getting.

MuttleyLaff:
budaatum, hypothetically speaking, if the shoe were on the other foot, and it is you who happens to be Adam, what would you do and/or have done when God warned you about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, telling you, not to eat from eat and that if you do you will die?

You know me muttley, I just love testing things for myself. Soon as God turned its back, I'm having me some of that fruit, and I wouldn't be needing no serpent or Eve to tell me to. And when God starts telling me I'd work for my food and all and I didn't end up dying like was said I would, I'd be placing God under the Iiar column from thereon. About making me walk around naked!.

But all that wouldn't really have mattered since I'd have been kicked out of the Garden of Eden along with Satan long before that to be honest.

Omnipresent:
You all disturbing my mention with your omnipresent religious stuff

Serves you right for being everywhere!